Alternative Tech Paths: PM & CyberSec for Burnt-Out Devs

Published on 05/31/2025Hiring & Talent Acquisition Insights

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Analysis of Reddit Thread "1kzkl24: Completely burnt out by this job field. Don't know what to do."

For those in the tech/CS field (likely Software Engineering - SWE) who are feeling burnt out, dissatisfied with toxic environments, and tired of LeetCode-style interviews and onerous on-call responsibilities, the discussion highlights several viable alternative career paths and considerations.

  1. Project Management (PM):

    • Key Skills/Qualifications: While not explicitly detailed in this thread beyond "pm role," it generally requires strong organizational, communication, stakeholder management, and leadership skills. A technical background can be a plus for technical PM roles.
    • Challenges: One commenter noted that breaking into PM without direct experience can be tough, finding it "near impossible" to get callbacks even with volunteer experience. This suggests a competitive entry or a need for strategic positioning.
    • Resume Direction: Highlight any past responsibilities involving project coordination, team leadership, cross-functional communication, and problem-solving from your SWE roles. Emphasize an understanding of the software development lifecycle from a different perspective. Quantify achievements where possible.
    • Expected Benefits: Potential for a different type of work focused more on organization and people management than deep technical problem-solving. May involve different stressors but could alleviate coding-specific burnout. Interview process is typically behavioral and scenario-based, not LeetCode.
  2. IT and Cybersecurity (specifically Application Security - AppSec):

    • Key Skills/Qualifications:
      • Application Security (AppSec): Explicitly mentioned as a good pivot for developers.
      • OWASP Top 10: "Well-versed with top ten application attacks and mitigations."
      • Secure Coding: Being a "secure coding samurai."
      • Developer background is highly valued: "App sec teams are always looking for devs to come to the dark side."
    • Resume Direction: Leverage your existing software engineering background. Emphasize understanding of application architecture, development practices, and the ability to think like an attacker. Highlight any experience with code reviews (especially security-focused), vulnerability identification, or work with security tools. List knowledge of specific vulnerabilities (OWASP Top 10), secure coding principles, and any relevant certifications or personal security projects.
    • Expected Benefits: Leverages existing technical skills in a new domain. Often involves less direct feature development pressure and potentially no LeetCode-style interviews (interviews would focus on security knowledge and problem-solving). Can offer a strong sense of purpose in protecting systems and data.
  3. Seeking Better SWE Roles (Different Company/Culture):

    • Consideration: One commenter pointed out that there are plenty of SWE jobs where you can coast at 20h/week for an average salary, and not all SWE jobs involve the high-pressure, on-call, LeetCode culture, especially outside of FAANG or similar high-intensity environments. Another mentioned working "9-3 with no on call at a non-tech company."
    • Resume Direction: If staying in SWE but seeking a better environment, tailor applications to companies known for better work-life balance, or to industries where tech is a support function rather than the core product. Highlight reliability, ability to maintain systems, and broader software engineering skills over cutting-edge algorithm expertise if targeting "coasting" roles.
    • Expected Benefits: Potentially retain similar salary and core job function but with significantly reduced stress, better work-life balance, and no LeetCode/on-call if the right company is found.

Summary of Opportunities & Directions:

  • Possible Job Opportunities: Project Manager, IT Support Specialist (as an entry to IT), Cybersecurity Analyst, Application Security Engineer, Software Engineer (in a lower-stress company/industry).
  • Resume Submission Directions:
    • For PM: Focus on roles requiring technical understanding combined with organizational skills.
    • For Cyber/AppSec: Target roles that value a developer's perspective on security.
    • For "Better SWE": Research and target companies known for good work-life balance, potentially in non-tech sectors or smaller, stable tech companies.
  • Expected Benefits:
    • Reduced emphasis on LeetCode-style interviews.
    • Potentially better work-life balance and less on-call burden.
    • Opportunity to leverage existing technical skills in new ways (especially for AppSec).
    • A shift in work focus that may alleviate specific sources of burnout.

This analysis is based on the themes emerging from the provided Reddit thread, where users are discussing pivots away from what they perceive as negative aspects of the traditional SWE career path.

Origin Reddit Post

r/cscareerquestions

Completely burnt out by this job field. Don't know what to do.

Posted by u/Legitimate-mostlet05/31/2025
So, I have about 5-7 year experience in this job field. Over that time, I have one job that I really enjoyed. Then was laid off from it. The other two jobs have been either having a toxic bos

Top Comments

u/metalreflectslime
>So, I have about 5-7 year experience in this job field. Why not just say the exact YOE you have?
u/Accomplished-Dot-608
Yeah we would love to hear how you Pivot to IT. I am thinking of going back to school for a statistics degree so I can either teach or work for government.
u/Huge_Negotiation_390
Just my two cents on how to reduce burnout - at the end of each work day write down the list of tasks for your next work day, order them by priority - it takes about 10 minutes. After doing s
u/ABirdJustShatOnMyEye
A+ cert to land the help desk job. CCNA and Sec+ and keep climbing roles and upskilling from there. Very dependent on the dominant technologies in your area.
u/dopkick
Somehow in medicine, where health outcomes and even lives are on the line, interviews are much less rigorous than the LeetCode nonsense. Does that AI snake oil startup that's destined to fail
u/CuriousA1
Yeah interviews in most fields are still just “chats” like the old days, not like swe where they grill you on the most obscure nonsensical problems that you may or may not have been lucky eno
u/Atymisk
Any advice on how to pivot to IT?
u/FonicArte
How did you move into pm? I'm trying to do so myself but without experience (and the only experience I do have is essentially volunteer based) it feels near impossible. Not a single callback
u/Illustrious-Pound266
Seriously, this idea that all other fields have it worse is false and so pervasive. Interviews aren't this ridiculous in other fields.
u/FeelTheUgly
what did you switch to?
u/asteroidtube
Not OP, but: the only other people I know who are on-call are medical professionals, and even then it's just certain specialized types. Everybody who I know who I've talked to about my on-cal
u/meltingmountain
Worked in the trades for a while, loved working with my hands but the short stint was enough to show me I’d have a broken body in ten years. Now I’m in a pm role.
u/knokout64
> I also think leat code is insufferable so that’s a big part of it. People enjoy that shit definitely have an advantage. I've been at 5 different companies now and have never had to answ
u/Choice-Act3739
Switch careers and reduce the competition for us.
u/meltingmountain
Worked in the trades for a while, loved working with my hands but the short stint was enough to show me I’d have a broken body in ten years. Now I’m in a pm role.
u/cybergandalf
How’s your app sec skill set? Are you well-versed with top ten application attacks and mitigations, are you a secure coding samurai? App sec teams are always looking for devs to come to the d
u/cybergandalf
How’s your app sec skill set? Are you well-versed with top ten application attacks and mitigations, are you a secure coding samurai? App sec teams are always looking for devs to come to the d
u/meltingmountain
You can switch careers I did that with the intention of taking a short break 1-2 years but just know if you ever want to go back to CS it’s really hard in the current market. These employers
u/asteroidtube
Not OP, but: the only other people I know who are on-call are medical professionals, and even then it's just certain specialized types. Everybody who I know who I've talked to about my on-cal
u/preoxidation
Can you name some? Or some criteria to filter out such companies? I know the no-leetcode lists on github, is that what you followed?
u/ABirdJustShatOnMyEye
I pivoted from software engineering to IT and now I’m in cyber. The LeetCode interview shit is ridiculous. I have friends in other industries and the concept of having to study for intervie
u/Iyace
>I look at my friends in other fields and no one does this. This is NOT even close to the norm. They also get paid only slightly less than the average in this field. No endless studying fo
u/Huge-Friendship-6924
Because it’s a hobbyist profession. Lots of people grow up programming as a hobby, so they’re willing to bend over backwards to make a living off their hobby, which allows employers to take a
u/Accomplished-Dot-608
Yeah we would love to hear how you Pivot to IT. I am thinking of going back to school for a statistics degree so I can either teach or work for government.
u/ABirdJustShatOnMyEye
I pivoted from software engineering to IT and now I’m in cyber. The LeetCode interview shit is ridiculous. I have friends in other industries and the concept of having to study for intervie
u/Iyace
>I look at my friends in other fields and no one does this. This is NOT even close to the norm. They also get paid only slightly less than the average in this field. No endless studying fo
u/djeatme
Some people have chunks of time in their career where they weren’t working. Makes hard to exactly measure YOE.
u/dopkick
I do cyber and data things now and it's so much easier to interview without worrying about things like Leetcode. Rather than trying to stump people with pointless puzzles that are not at all
u/meltingmountain
You can switch careers I did that with the intention of taking a short break 1-2 years but just know if you ever want to go back to CS it’s really hard in the current market. These employers
u/knokout64
> I also think leat code is insufferable so that’s a big part of it. People enjoy that shit definitely have an advantage. I've been at 5 different companies now and have never had to answ
u/sciences_bitch
Some people waver on whether to include internships/co-ops/“I made websites for local mom’n’pop businesses when I was in high school”.
u/FrankieFeedler
But isn't it often expected to do on call and weekends in IT as well?
u/depthfirstleaning
There are plenty of SWE jobs where you just coast at 20h/week for average salary. If you accept to be on-call for less than FAANG salary that's kinda your decision. Other professions that ma
u/depthfirstleaning
There are plenty of SWE jobs where you just coast at 20h/week for average salary. Other professions that make FAANG money don't have better W/L balance. big law, wall street, doctors are pre
u/FonicArte
How did you move into pm? I'm trying to do so myself but without experience (and the only experience I do have is essentially volunteer based) it feels near impossible. Not a single callback
u/DesperateDay9889
I actually strongly disagree with this. The state of the industry is such because a ton of people joined who DON'T genuinely enjoy the work/programming as a hobby, but instead chased th
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u/EffectiveLong
Another future farmer is born 👏
u/FeelTheUgly
what did you switch to?
u/goose_hat
I think you sort of prove the counterpoint that it might not be an industry problem for you, but rather a company problem. I've been working 9-3 with no on call at a non tech company for 4 y
u/EffectiveLong
Another future farmer is born 👏

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