Consent and Discomfort: Addressing unspoken sexual activity in college.
The post discusses a sensitive social issue: college women and individuals uncomfortable with sex are more prone to consenting to unwanted sexual activity. This indicates a societal 'shift in sentiment' towards recognizing and addressing nuanced aspects of consent, particularly where discomfort or power dynamics are at play. This opens opportunities for: 1. Development of educational programs and workshops for universities focusing on comprehensive consent education beyond simple 'yes/no' scenarios. 2. Creation of apps or platforms providing anonymous support and resources for discussing sexual discomfort or navigating consent. 3. Advocacy and policy work aimed at fostering safer environments and clearer communication guidelines. 4. Research into underlying psychological and social factors contributing to this phenomenon, leading to targeted interventions.
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r/science
College women and people who are uncomfortable talking about sex were more likely to consent to sexual activity they didn't actually want
Posted by u/wise_karlaz•08/01/2025
Top Comments
u/blamestross
Going to work when you don't actually want to is actually much worse than the sex thing.
Going to work is done under duress, an implicit threat of non-safety if you don't comply, and your on
u/Cyprus4
For those that didn't read the study. The study is about unwanted **consensual sex.**
When you grow up in a household where sex is stigmatized, likely through religion/culture, openly ad
u/WTFwhatthehell
You seem deeply uninterested in whether a work is good science.
Surveys tend to suffer serious bias issues.
for example, if you release a survey on vaccine injuries and the link gets repos
u/Flecca
Dont let frat guys see this
u/RunningRunnerRun
I think the comment was confusing because it made it seem like we were missing something about the title if we hadn’t read the article, but then went on to explain that the title means exactl
u/bsport48
"extremely intentionally"...
I think I found the pseudo intellect.
u/Youre-doin-great
Those awkward moments when you know women that are vocal about how men being predators but then want you to act like that to have sex with them. The “I like a man that knows what he wants and
u/WTFwhatthehell
This is a science sub.
Missing data, incorrect claims and being clear about what's actually covered by a definition actually matter. It's not just vibes.
Though props to them, they were cle
u/9fingerwonder
Then you don't care about communicating to an audience.
u/bsport48
Your homework is not mine; copy-paste what I put into ChatGPT.
Thankfully artificial intelligence is here to ameliorate natural...lack thereof.
I'll start you out: "ELI5..."
u/bsport48
Doesn't the consent then totally remove any contemplation of the negative desire?
(Very -- very -- pedantically, doesn't that just turn into whining?)
u/RunningRunnerRun
I think the comment was confusing because it made it seem like we were missing something about the title if we hadn’t read the article, but then went on to explain that the title means exactl
u/bsport48
reply substantively or keep clutching pearls.
u/Station_Go
Read the title again
u/bsport48
Your homework is not mine; copy-paste what I put into ChatGPT.
Thankfully artificial intelligence is here to ameliorate natural...lack thereof.
I'll start you out: "ELI5..."
u/Morvack
I wonder how much trauma plays into this? I'd bet someone who was violently raped, is more likely to engage in this after. Especially if it was multiple people, they were under 18, and or it
u/WTFwhatthehell
>"Data was collected via an online survey"
...
>"This random sample included 1263 undergraduate students."
...that's not a random sample
It's a sample of those most keen to
u/WTFwhatthehell
>"Data was collected via an online survey"
...
>"This random sample included 1263 undergraduate students."
...that's not a random sample
It's a sample of those most keen to
u/ManInBlackHat
Yes, it’s also what would be referred to as a WEIRD (Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich, and Democratic) sample so it can’t really be used for anything beyond getting an assessment of wh
u/Elanapoeia
This comment just feels like sophistry, finding things to nitpick for the sake of arguing, not because of genuine objections.
"Your sample isn't random as you've stated cause there are peopl
u/VoilaVoilaWashington
Turns out "consent" is a complex thing. We can either accept that, or continue making a mess of things.
u/bsport48
"extremely intentionally"...
I think I found the pseudo intellect.
u/Station_Go
Clutching at straws a bit there aren't you?
u/careena_who
Oh brother. Yes, people, there are actually a lot of people who just agree to do certain sexual acts that they don't actually want to do, and they do this for a multitude of reasons. It's a r
u/Tower21
I'm, ah, going to weigh in. The title is a great example of click-bait.
Consensual sex that you'd rather not have, but may or may not enjoy during, is something that most sexual relationsh
u/Elanapoeia
Important to note, nobody here asserted that changing your mind later negates the prior consent. That's not what the study or conversation about the study has been about.
u/Station_Go
bro speak normally.
u/Locke2300
I feel like so much of what makes this survey interesting is what it reveals about *cultural* expectations even more than psychological ones.
What do we expect sex to be? What do we expect c
u/Ausaevus
>For those that didn't read the study. The study is about unwanted **consensual sex.**
I did not read the study, but that is what the title says, no?
*'.. to consent to sexual activity
u/WTFwhatthehell
You seem deeply uninterested in whether a work is good science.
Surveys tend to suffer serious bias issues.
for example, if you release a survey on vaccine injuries and the link gets repos
u/noodletropin
No. Not at all. I'm trying to think of a good way to answer you, but I think it all boils down to asking why would you think that consent would remove contemplation of negative desire? I'm no
u/bsport48
Title doesn't accurately reflect the definition of the word consent.
u/bsport48
Only to reveal double adverb usage.
Cute.
u/bananahead
They would know who they emailed.
u/WTFwhatthehell
Look, I get you don't like it but passing out a survey does not give you a random sampling.
No more than a labelled "drug" and "placebo" box in the ward and letting patients pick their favou
u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS
"No immediate pressure to consent" was the key point
u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS
The point being made is that they are drawing a line between "coerced sex" and "consensual sex that was not desired" because the common idea of "all sex that isn't desired must have been coer
u/SaintValkyrie
I'm sorry. Consent is when both parties enthusiastically consent, not have sex for the wellbeing of someone else.
That's not how consent works. Please look into RAINN and stuff online. I k
u/phrunk7
It totally does, actually.
Consent to do something and desire to do something are completely different things.
u/bsport48
I think we're saying the same thing...I just didn't preface the distinction between semantic consent and legal.
u/WTFwhatthehell
You seem deeply uninterested in whether a work is good science.
Surveys tend to suffer serious bias issues.
for example, if you release a survey on vaccine injuries and the link gets repos
u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS
"Within consensual sexual experiences, desire is an important factor. Thus, unwanted consensual sex is often defined as consensual sex where desire is absent in at least one partner and there
u/Regulai
They ask about comfort in communication, but I would be more curious about how appropriate they feel sex is and what social pressures they feel around sex and my initial quick read through di
u/ManInBlackHat
Yes, it’s also what would be referred to as a WEIRD (Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich, and Democratic) sample so it can’t really be used for anything beyond getting an assessment of wh
u/Smee76
This. I had zero desire to go to work today, but that doesn't make my presence in office a kidnapping.
u/bsport48
Title doesn't accurately reflect the definition of the word consent.
u/Sevourn
I would love a study that follows the course of the long-term relationships of the people most "comfortable" refusing sex for any and all reasons throughout the relationship.
u/Holytittie
The comments here are going to be doozy
u/VoilaVoilaWashington
Turns out "consent" is a complex thing. We can either accept that, or continue making a mess of things.
u/Station_Go
bro speak normally.
u/WTFwhatthehell
Look, I get you don't like it but passing out a survey does not give you a random sampling.
No more than a labelled "drug" and "placebo" box in the ward and letting patients pick their favou
u/Station_Go
Title doesn't accurately reflect the results of the study.
u/Harambesic
Sardonically shocking.
u/bsport48
Only to reveal double adverb usage.
Cute.
u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS
"Within consensual sexual experiences, desire is an important factor. Thus, unwanted consensual sex is often defined as consensual sex where desire is absent in at least one partner and there
u/ManInBlackHat
The data collection method is fine given that it was a targeted population:
> To be included in this study, participants needed to identify as age 18 or older and be currently enrolled i
u/fading_reality
My take is that bro doesn't believe that consent should be explicit or revokeable.
I can't figure out the rest of argument even if i am somewhat familiar with philosophical ideas around con
u/Cyprus4
For those that didn't read the study. The study is about unwanted **consensual sex.**
When you grow up in a household where sex is stigmatized, likely through religion/culture, openly ad
u/Elanapoeia
This comment just feels like sophistry, finding things to nitpick for the sake of arguing, not because of genuine objections.
"Your sample isn't random as you've stated cause there are peopl
u/Station_Go
Read the title again
u/bsport48
In no conceivable universe am I going to let inarticulate, unintelligent, or uninformed consideration dictate my own command of (just one) of my mother tongues. Have a fantastic day.
u/WTFwhatthehell
>"Data was collected via an online survey"
...
>"This random sample included 1263 undergraduate students."
...that's not a random sample
It's a sample of those most keen to
u/WTFwhatthehell
>"Data was collected via an online survey"
...
>"This random sample included 1263 undergraduate students."
...that's not a random sample
It's a sample of those most keen to
u/Holytittie
The comments here are going to be doozy
u/Regulai
They ask about comfort in communication, but I would be more curious about how appropriate they feel sex is and what social pressures they feel around sex and my initial quick read through di
u/ForcefulOrange
“This finding suggests that when people are uncomfortable talking about what they were willing or not willing to do sexually with their partner, they may engage in unwanted consensual sex mor
u/seraph1337
This is literally all students at the same school. Geographic differences might even be a factor here, given that statistically the average student at a non-Ivy school probably lives fairly c
u/bsport48
How then does the exhibition of consent obviate its impetus? (I'd argue that it can't).
If you behave in a consenting way, then have you not consented implicitly? (I'd argue that you have).
u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS
"Within consensual sexual experiences, desire is an important factor. Thus, unwanted consensual sex is often defined as consensual sex where desire is absent in at least one partner and there
u/Station_Go
Of course it does. You can agree to do something you don't want to do.
u/bsport48
Dictionaries are to be sought, not feared.
u/bsport48
I think we're saying the same thing...I just didn't preface the distinction between semantic consent and legal.
u/bsport48
Sounds good, doctor.
u/Elanapoeia
...do people here really struggle with the idea that you can consent to something you don't want?
This seems like a super easy and non-contradictory concept to understand to me. People cons
u/SaintValkyrie
I'm sorry. Consent is when both parties enthusiastically consent, not have sex for the wellbeing of someone else.
That's not how consent works. Please look into RAINN and stuff online. I k
u/SaintValkyrie
I'm sorry. Consent is when both parties enthusiastically consent, not have sex for the wellbeing of someone else.
That's not how consent works. Please look into RAINN and stuff online. I k
u/SaintValkyrie
They do not 'consent' to sex they don't want. They are COERCED. There is no such thing as nonconsensual sexual acts, that's assault. Coercion is assault.
u/Station_Go
Of course it does. You can agree to do something you don't want to do.
u/CorporalCabbage
I see you’ve met my ex-wife.
u/B3ER
Why use many big word when can use few small word.
u/Locke2300
I feel like so much of what makes this survey interesting is what it reveals about *cultural* expectations even more than psychological ones.
What do we expect sex to be? What do we expect c
u/flannel_jesus
>How then does the exhibition of consent obviate its impetus?
Obviate its impetus? That doesn't mean anything. Put away the thesaurus and write like a human being.
u/Elanapoeia
Important to note, nobody here asserted that changing your mind later negates the prior consent. That's not what the study or conversation about the study has been about.
u/Station_Go
Read the title again
u/ManInBlackHat
Yes, it’s also what would be referred to as a WEIRD (Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich, and Democratic) sample so it can’t really be used for anything beyond getting an assessment of wh
u/Station_Go
Read the title again
u/Harambesic
Sardonically shocking.
u/flannel_jesus
You didn't say the same thing. You said something silly, and the person who replied to you said something that makes actual sense
u/bsport48
Doesn't the consent then totally remove any contemplation of the negative desire?
(Very -- very -- pedantically, doesn't that just turn into whining?)
u/Holytittie
The comments here are going to be doozy
u/bsport48
Title doesn't accurately reflect the definition of the word consent.
u/Sevourn
I would love a study that follows the course of the long-term relationships of the people most "comfortable" refusing sex for any and all reasons throughout the relationship.
u/Sevourn
I would love a study that follows the course of the long-term relationships of the people most "comfortable" refusing sex for any and all reasons throughout the relationship.
u/bsport48
Dictionaries are to be sought, not feared.
u/iaspeegizzydeefrent
> I think I found the pseudo intellect.
Must've looked in the mirror.
u/noodletropin
No. Not at all. I'm trying to think of a good way to answer you, but I think it all boils down to asking why would you think that consent would remove contemplation of negative desire? I'm no
u/WTFwhatthehell
This is a science sub.
Missing data, incorrect claims and being clear about what's actually covered by a definition actually matter. It's not just vibes.
Though props to them, they were cle
u/flannel_jesus
You're just putting random words together. The dictionary can tell me what obviate means. The dictionary can tell me what impetus meant. The dictionary can't tell me what some goober means wh
u/WTFwhatthehell
This is a science sub.
Missing data, incorrect claims and being clear about what's actually covered by a definition actually matter. It's not just vibes.
Though props to them, they were cle
u/Elanapoeia
These complaints aren't about incorrect claims or being clear about things tho.
You're pointing out that their data isn't "random" because surveys have inherent biases of who will respond t
u/Elanapoeia
Important to note, nobody here asserted that changing your mind later negates the prior consent. That's not what the study or conversation about the study has been about.
u/bsport48
Keep thinking.
u/9fingerwonder
Then you don't care about communicating to an audience.
u/bsport48
Sounds good, doctor.
u/bsport48
"extremely intentionally"...
I think I found the pseudo intellect.
u/demonotreme
Either you're educated in India, or this is literally a symptom of psychiatric disease.
u/ManInBlackHat
Yes, it’s also what would be referred to as a WEIRD (Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich, and Democratic) sample so it can’t really be used for anything beyond getting an assessment of wh
u/Smee76
This. I had zero desire to go to work today, but that doesn't make my presence in office a kidnapping.
u/bsport48
In no conceivable universe am I going to let inarticulate, unintelligent, or uninformed consideration dictate my own command of (just one) of my mother tongues. Have a fantastic day.
u/Regulai
They ask about comfort in communication, but I would be more curious about how appropriate they feel sex is and what social pressures they feel around sex and my initial quick read through di
u/laramiecorp
It depends on the survey. If the survey itself expects 5 line paragraphs for each question, the answers are more likely to be motivated through those biases you mentioned.
But if the survey
u/Morvack
Consent is an action, and like all actions? Have different motivations. A mother may consent to having a second child. The mother may also consent to shoving their kid out of the way of a spe
u/bsport48
In no conceivable universe am I going to let inarticulate, unintelligent, or uninformed consideration dictate my own command of (just one) of my mother tongues. Have a fantastic day.
u/Station_Go
Just a heads up, you should use complex language when you are trying to express something extremely intentionally. Word vomiting an onslaught of drivel that's been filtered through a thesauru
u/Station_Go
Title doesn't accurately reflect the results of the study.
u/ForcefulOrange
“This finding suggests that when people are uncomfortable talking about what they were willing or not willing to do sexually with their partner, they may engage in unwanted consensual sex mor
u/WTFwhatthehell
Sure it does.
By the definitions in the paper:
If I don't really feel like sex, maybe I feel a bit unwell and don't desire to have sex that day.... but I know my wife is feeling down and
u/seraph1337
This is literally all students at the same school. Geographic differences might even be a factor here, given that statistically the average student at a non-Ivy school probably lives fairly c
u/bsport48
Are you with capacity to read words?
u/CorporalCabbage
I see you’ve met my ex-wife.
u/WTFwhatthehell
This is a science sub.
Missing data, incorrect claims and being clear about what's actually covered by a definition actually matter. It's not just vibes.
Though props to them, they were cle
u/Sevourn
I would love a study that follows the course of the long-term relationships of the people most "comfortable" refusing sex for any and all reasons throughout the relationship.
u/Morvack
I wonder how much trauma plays into this? I'd bet someone who was violently raped, is more likely to engage in this after. Especially if it was multiple people, they were under 18, and or it
u/Youre-doin-great
The other day I worked, worked out then cooked dinner for my girlfriend. After I was extremely tired but she seemed like she really wanted to have sex. So I had sex with her (consensual) but
u/ManInBlackHat
The data collection method is fine given that it was a targeted population:
> To be included in this study, participants needed to identify as age 18 or older and be currently enrolled i
u/bsport48
Doesn't the consent then totally remove any contemplation of the negative desire?
(Very -- very -- pedantically, doesn't that just turn into whining?)
u/Elanapoeia
...do people here really struggle with the idea that you can consent to something you don't want?
This seems like a super easy and non-contradictory concept to understand to me. People cons
u/flannel_jesus
>How then does the exhibition of consent obviate its impetus?
Obviate its impetus? That doesn't mean anything. Put away the thesaurus and write like a human being.
u/bsport48
How then does the exhibition of consent obviate its impetus? (I'd argue that it can't).
If you behave in a consenting way, then have you not consented implicitly? (I'd argue that you have).
u/tacticalcraptical
College women and people?
I guess I thought college women were people.
u/Ausaevus
>For those that didn't read the study. The study is about unwanted **consensual sex.**
I did not read the study, but that is what the title says, no?
*'.. to consent to sexual activity
u/Youre-doin-great
Those awkward moments when you know women that are vocal about how men being predators but then want you to act like that to have sex with them. The “I like a man that knows what he wants and
u/Youre-doin-great
The other day I worked, worked out then cooked dinner for my girlfriend. After I was extremely tired but she seemed like she really wanted to have sex. So I had sex with her (consensual) but
u/B3ER
Why use many big word when can use few small word.
u/WTFwhatthehell
>"Data was collected via an online survey"
...
>"This random sample included 1263 undergraduate students."
...that's not a random sample
It's a sample of those most keen to
u/WTFwhatthehell
Look, I get you don't like it but passing out a survey does not give you a random sampling.
No more than a labelled "drug" and "placebo" box in the ward and letting patients pick their favou
u/noodletropin
No. Not at all. I'm trying to think of a good way to answer you, but I think it all boils down to asking why would you think that consent would remove contemplation of negative desire? I'm no
u/blamestross
Going to work when you don't actually want to is actually much worse than the sex thing.
Going to work is done under duress, an implicit threat of non-safety if you don't comply, and your on
u/CorporalCabbage
I see you’ve met my ex-wife.
u/bsport48
reply substantively or keep clutching pearls.
u/Tower21
I'm, ah, going to weigh in. The title is a great example of click-bait.
Consensual sex that you'd rather not have, but may or may not enjoy during, is something that most sexual relationsh
u/bananahead
If there were immediate pressure to consent, it wouldn’t be consensual.
u/bsport48
Keep thinking.
u/Ausaevus
>For those that didn't read the study. The study is about unwanted **consensual sex.**
I did not read the study, but that is what the title says, no?
*'.. to consent to sexual activity
u/bananahead
Consent is not an action. When we talk about consent around sex, it’s about being in a state of agreement.
u/RunningRunnerRun
But that is what the title says?
u/Station_Go
Just a heads up, you should use complex language when you are trying to express something extremely intentionally. Word vomiting an onslaught of drivel that's been filtered through a thesauru
u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS
"No immediate pressure to consent" was the key point
u/Elanapoeia
This is just sophistry again.
You're presenting very severe examples of data manipulation to force politically motivated conclusions
And likening them to a survey that says "our random su
u/Station_Go
Just a heads up, you should use complex language when you are trying to express something extremely intentionally. Word vomiting an onslaught of drivel that's been filtered through a thesauru
u/bsport48
Title doesn't accurately reflect the definition of the word consent.
u/Flecca
Dont let frat guys see this
u/phrunk7
It totally does, actually.
Consent to do something and desire to do something are completely different things.
u/ManInBlackHat
The data collection method is fine given that it was a targeted population:
> To be included in this study, participants needed to identify as age 18 or older and be currently enrolled i
u/Cyprus4
For those that didn't read the study. The study is about unwanted **consensual sex.**
When you grow up in a household where sex is stigmatized, likely through religion/culture, openly ad
u/bsport48
Dictionaries are to be sought, not feared.
u/WTFwhatthehell
Ya. Its not a terrible sampling method. Kinda curious whether links were personalised. I've seen people pass on links to anon surveys
u/laramiecorp
It depends on the survey. If the survey itself expects 5 line paragraphs for each question, the answers are more likely to be motivated through those biases you mentioned.
But if the survey
u/Youre-doin-great
The other day I worked, worked out then cooked dinner for my girlfriend. After I was extremely tired but she seemed like she really wanted to have sex. So I had sex with her (consensual) but
u/laramiecorp
It depends on the survey. If the survey itself expects 5 line paragraphs for each question, the answers are more likely to be motivated through those biases you mentioned.
But if the survey
u/Elanapoeia
This comment just feels like sophistry, finding things to nitpick for the sake of arguing, not because of genuine objections.
"Your sample isn't random as you've stated cause there are peopl
u/Morvack
I wonder how much trauma plays into this? I'd bet someone who was violently raped, is more likely to engage in this after. Especially if it was multiple people, they were under 18, and or it
u/bsport48
I think we're saying the same thing...I just didn't preface the distinction between semantic consent and legal.
u/Smee76
This. I had zero desire to go to work today, but that doesn't make my presence in office a kidnapping.
u/Elanapoeia
These complaints aren't about incorrect claims or being clear about things tho.
You're pointing out that their data isn't "random" because surveys have inherent biases of who will respond t
u/Youre-doin-great
Those awkward moments when you know women that are vocal about how men being predators but then want you to act like that to have sex with them. The “I like a man that knows what he wants and
u/careena_who
Oh brother. Yes, people, there are actually a lot of people who just agree to do certain sexual acts that they don't actually want to do, and they do this for a multitude of reasons. It's a r
u/ForcefulOrange
“This finding suggests that when people are uncomfortable talking about what they were willing or not willing to do sexually with their partner, they may engage in unwanted consensual sex mor
u/Next-Cheesecake381
Not ironic at all. People who feel the need to talk like THAT are more focused on appearing intelligent than communicating an actual message.
u/VoilaVoilaWashington
Turns out "consent" is a complex thing. We can either accept that, or continue making a mess of things.
u/Next-Cheesecake381
Not ironic at all. People who feel the need to talk like THAT are more focused on appearing intelligent than communicating an actual message.
u/bsport48
Your homework is not mine; copy-paste what I put into ChatGPT.
Thankfully artificial intelligence is here to ameliorate natural...lack thereof.
I'll start you out: "ELI5..."
u/Locke2300
I feel like so much of what makes this survey interesting is what it reveals about *cultural* expectations even more than psychological ones.
What do we expect sex to be? What do we expect c
u/Elanapoeia
...do people here really struggle with the idea that you can consent to something you don't want?
This seems like a super easy and non-contradictory concept to understand to me. People cons
u/redballooon
It could lead to a normal napping otoh.
u/9fingerwonder
Then you don't care about communicating to an audience.
u/WTFwhatthehell
Ya. Its not a terrible sampling method. Kinda curious whether links were personalised. I've seen people pass on links to anon surveys
u/phrunk7
It totally does, actually.
Consent to do something and desire to do something are completely different things.
u/Next-Cheesecake381
Not ironic at all. People who feel the need to talk like THAT are more focused on appearing intelligent than communicating an actual message.
u/Station_Go
Title doesn't accurately reflect the results of the study.
u/SaintValkyrie
They do not 'consent' to sex they don't want. They are COERCED. There is no such thing as nonconsensual sexual acts, that's assault. Coercion is assault.
u/seraph1337
This is literally all students at the same school. Geographic differences might even be a factor here, given that statistically the average student at a non-Ivy school probably lives fairly c
u/Station_Go
Title doesn't accurately reflect the results of the study.
u/bsport48
Are you with capacity to read words?
u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS
"No immediate pressure to consent" was the key point
u/SaintValkyrie
I'm sorry. Consent is when both parties enthusiastically consent, not have sex for the wellbeing of someone else.
That's not how consent works. Please look into RAINN and stuff online. I k
u/RunningRunnerRun
But that is what the title says?
u/WTFwhatthehell
Sure it does.
By the definitions in the paper:
If I don't really feel like sex, maybe I feel a bit unwell and don't desire to have sex that day.... but I know my wife is feeling down and
u/Station_Go
Title doesn't accurately reflect the results of the study.
u/fading_reality
My take is that bro doesn't believe that consent should be explicit or revokeable.
I can't figure out the rest of argument even if i am somewhat familiar with philosophical ideas around con
u/flannel_jesus
>here to ameliorate natural
Yeah that's not how those words work either.
u/Elanapoeia
These complaints aren't about incorrect claims or being clear about things tho.
You're pointing out that their data isn't "random" because surveys have inherent biases of who will respond t
u/Youre-doin-great
The other day I worked, worked out then cooked dinner for my girlfriend. After I was extremely tired but she seemed like she really wanted to have sex. So I had sex with her (consensual) but
u/Station_Go
bro speak normally.
u/Elanapoeia
...do people here really struggle with the idea that you can consent to something you don't want?
This seems like a super easy and non-contradictory concept to understand to me. People cons
u/blamestross
Going to work when you don't actually want to is actually much worse than the sex thing.
Going to work is done under duress, an implicit threat of non-safety if you don't comply, and your on
u/SaintValkyrie
They do not 'consent' to sex they don't want. They are COERCED. There is no such thing as nonconsensual sexual acts, that's assault. Coercion is assault.
u/9fingerwonder
Then you don't care about communicating to an audience.
u/Smee76
This. I had zero desire to go to work today, but that doesn't make my presence in office a kidnapping.
u/flannel_jesus
>How then does the exhibition of consent obviate its impetus?
Obviate its impetus? That doesn't mean anything. Put away the thesaurus and write like a human being.
u/Station_Go
Just a heads up, you should use complex language when you are trying to express something extremely intentionally. Word vomiting an onslaught of drivel that's been filtered through a thesauru
u/flannel_jesus
>here to ameliorate natural
Yeah that's not how those words work either.
u/WTFwhatthehell
Ya. Its not a terrible sampling method. Kinda curious whether links were personalised. I've seen people pass on links to anon surveys
u/Harambesic
Sardonically shocking.
u/bsport48
Are you with capacity to read words?
u/iaspeegizzydeefrent
> I think I found the pseudo intellect.
Must've looked in the mirror.
u/endasil
You seem like you have some problem articulating yourself in text. You could rewrite that as: Acting like you consented means you did, and changing your mind later doesn’t undo that.
u/B3ER
Why use many big word when can use few small word.
u/fading_reality
My take is that bro doesn't believe that consent should be explicit or revokeable.
I can't figure out the rest of argument even if i am somewhat familiar with philosophical ideas around con
u/Elanapoeia
These complaints aren't about incorrect claims or being clear about things tho.
You're pointing out that their data isn't "random" because surveys have inherent biases of who will respond t
u/demonotreme
Either you're educated in India, or this is literally a symptom of psychiatric disease.
u/careena_who
Oh brother. Yes, people, there are actually a lot of people who just agree to do certain sexual acts that they don't actually want to do, and they do this for a multitude of reasons. It's a r
u/SaintValkyrie
They do not 'consent' to sex they don't want. They are COERCED. There is no such thing as nonconsensual sexual acts, that's assault. Coercion is assault.
u/Elanapoeia
Important to note, nobody here asserted that changing your mind later negates the prior consent. That's not what the study or conversation about the study has been about.
u/bsport48
In no conceivable universe am I going to let inarticulate, unintelligent, or uninformed consideration dictate my own command of (just one) of my mother tongues. Have a fantastic day.
u/Station_Go
Of course it does. You can agree to do something you don't want to do.
u/bsport48
Keep thinking.
u/bsport48
How then does the exhibition of consent obviate its impetus? (I'd argue that it can't).
If you behave in a consenting way, then have you not consented implicitly? (I'd argue that you have).
u/Station_Go
Clutching at straws a bit there aren't you?
u/flannel_jesus
You didn't say the same thing. You said something silly, and the person who replied to you said something that makes actual sense
u/Youre-doin-great
Those awkward moments when you know women that are vocal about how men being predators but then want you to act like that to have sex with them. The “I like a man that knows what he wants and
u/RunningRunnerRun
I think the comment was confusing because it made it seem like we were missing something about the title if we hadn’t read the article, but then went on to explain that the title means exactl
u/Elanapoeia
This is just sophistry again.
You're presenting very severe examples of data manipulation to force politically motivated conclusions
And likening them to a survey that says "our random su
u/flannel_jesus
You're just putting random words together. The dictionary can tell me what obviate means. The dictionary can tell me what impetus meant. The dictionary can't tell me what some goober means wh
u/iaspeegizzydeefrent
> I think I found the pseudo intellect.
Must've looked in the mirror.
u/VoilaVoilaWashington
Turns out "consent" is a complex thing. We can either accept that, or continue making a mess of things.
u/Station_Go
Of course it does. You can agree to do something you don't want to do.
u/redballooon
It could lead to a normal napping otoh.
u/endasil
You seem like you have some problem articulating yourself in text. You could rewrite that as: Acting like you consented means you did, and changing your mind later doesn’t undo that.
u/Tower21
I'm, ah, going to weigh in. The title is a great example of click-bait.
Consensual sex that you'd rather not have, but may or may not enjoy during, is something that most sexual relationsh
u/bsport48
reply substantively or keep clutching pearls.
u/Cyprus4
For those that didn't read the study. The study is about unwanted **consensual sex.**
When you grow up in a household where sex is stigmatized, likely through religion/culture, openly ad
u/ManInBlackHat
The data collection method is fine given that it was a targeted population:
> To be included in this study, participants needed to identify as age 18 or older and be currently enrolled i
u/B3ER
Why use many big word when can use few small word.
u/Cyprus4
For those that didn't read the study. The study is about unwanted **consensual sex.**
When you grow up in a household where sex is stigmatized, likely through religion/culture, openly ad
u/WTFwhatthehell
You seem deeply uninterested in whether a work is good science.
Surveys tend to suffer serious bias issues.
for example, if you release a survey on vaccine injuries and the link gets repos
u/Holytittie
The comments here are going to be doozy
u/endasil
You seem like you have some problem articulating yourself in text. You could rewrite that as: Acting like you consented means you did, and changing your mind later doesn’t undo that.
u/WTFwhatthehell
Sure it does.
By the definitions in the paper:
If I don't really feel like sex, maybe I feel a bit unwell and don't desire to have sex that day.... but I know my wife is feeling down and
u/Holytittie
The comments here are going to be doozy
u/Next-Cheesecake381
Not ironic at all. People who feel the need to talk like THAT are more focused on appearing intelligent than communicating an actual message.
u/demonotreme
Either you're educated in India, or this is literally a symptom of psychiatric disease.
u/seraph1337
This is literally all students at the same school. Geographic differences might even be a factor here, given that statistically the average student at a non-Ivy school probably lives fairly c
u/Morvack
Consent is an action, and like all actions? Have different motivations. A mother may consent to having a second child. The mother may also consent to shoving their kid out of the way of a spe
u/RunningRunnerRun
But that is what the title says?
u/Locke2300
I feel like so much of what makes this survey interesting is what it reveals about *cultural* expectations even more than psychological ones.
What do we expect sex to be? What do we expect c
u/fading_reality
My take is that bro doesn't believe that consent should be explicit or revokeable.
I can't figure out the rest of argument even if i am somewhat familiar with philosophical ideas around con
u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS
The point being made is that they are drawing a line between "coerced sex" and "consensual sex that was not desired" because the common idea of "all sex that isn't desired must have been coer
u/Elanapoeia
This is just sophistry again.
You're presenting very severe examples of data manipulation to force politically motivated conclusions
And likening them to a survey that says "our random su
u/redballooon
It could lead to a normal napping otoh.
u/bsport48
Sounds good, doctor.
u/redballooon
It could lead to a normal napping otoh.
u/tacticalcraptical
College women and people?
I guess I thought college women were people.
u/flannel_jesus
You're just putting random words together. The dictionary can tell me what obviate means. The dictionary can tell me what impetus meant. The dictionary can't tell me what some goober means wh
u/Tower21
I'm, ah, going to weigh in. The title is a great example of click-bait.
Consensual sex that you'd rather not have, but may or may not enjoy during, is something that most sexual relationsh
u/bsport48
Doesn't the consent then totally remove any contemplation of the negative desire?
(Very -- very -- pedantically, doesn't that just turn into whining?)
u/phrunk7
It totally does, actually.
Consent to do something and desire to do something are completely different things.
u/laramiecorp
It depends on the survey. If the survey itself expects 5 line paragraphs for each question, the answers are more likely to be motivated through those biases you mentioned.
But if the survey
u/Station_Go
Clutching at straws a bit there aren't you?
u/Elanapoeia
This comment just feels like sophistry, finding things to nitpick for the sake of arguing, not because of genuine objections.
"Your sample isn't random as you've stated cause there are peopl
u/Harambesic
Sardonically shocking.
u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS
The point being made is that they are drawing a line between "coerced sex" and "consensual sex that was not desired" because the common idea of "all sex that isn't desired must have been coer
u/Harambesic
Sardonically shocking.
u/CorporalCabbage
I see you’ve met my ex-wife.
u/WTFwhatthehell
Ya. Its not a terrible sampling method. Kinda curious whether links were personalised. I've seen people pass on links to anon surveys
u/Regulai
They ask about comfort in communication, but I would be more curious about how appropriate they feel sex is and what social pressures they feel around sex and my initial quick read through di
u/endasil
You seem like you have some problem articulating yourself in text. You could rewrite that as: Acting like you consented means you did, and changing your mind later doesn’t undo that.
u/WTFwhatthehell
Look, I get you don't like it but passing out a survey does not give you a random sampling.
No more than a labelled "drug" and "placebo" box in the ward and letting patients pick their favou
u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS
The point being made is that they are drawing a line between "coerced sex" and "consensual sex that was not desired" because the common idea of "all sex that isn't desired must have been coer
u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS
"No immediate pressure to consent" was the key point
u/Station_Go
bro speak normally.
u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS
"Within consensual sexual experiences, desire is an important factor. Thus, unwanted consensual sex is often defined as consensual sex where desire is absent in at least one partner and there
u/flannel_jesus
You didn't say the same thing. You said something silly, and the person who replied to you said something that makes actual sense
u/RunningRunnerRun
But that is what the title says?
u/noodletropin
No. Not at all. I'm trying to think of a good way to answer you, but I think it all boils down to asking why would you think that consent would remove contemplation of negative desire? I'm no
u/WTFwhatthehell
Sure it does.
By the definitions in the paper:
If I don't really feel like sex, maybe I feel a bit unwell and don't desire to have sex that day.... but I know my wife is feeling down and
u/Elanapoeia
This is just sophistry again.
You're presenting very severe examples of data manipulation to force politically motivated conclusions
And likening them to a survey that says "our random su
u/bsport48
I think we're saying the same thing...I just didn't preface the distinction between semantic consent and legal.
u/flannel_jesus
>here to ameliorate natural
Yeah that's not how those words work either.
u/ForcefulOrange
“This finding suggests that when people are uncomfortable talking about what they were willing or not willing to do sexually with their partner, they may engage in unwanted consensual sex mor
u/RunningRunnerRun
I think the comment was confusing because it made it seem like we were missing something about the title if we hadn’t read the article, but then went on to explain that the title means exactl
u/Regulai
They ask about comfort in communication, but I would be more curious about how appropriate they feel sex is and what social pressures they feel around sex and my initial quick read through di
u/Flecca
Dont let frat guys see this
u/Morvack
But you don't consider why they're agreeing. Let's assume for simplicities sake, we're discussing heterosexual, vaginal sex.
Is the reason it's happening is because either party is desperat
u/bsport48
How then does the exhibition of consent obviate its impetus? (I'd argue that it can't).
If you behave in a consenting way, then have you not consented implicitly? (I'd argue that you have).
u/Ausaevus
>For those that didn't read the study. The study is about unwanted **consensual sex.**
I did not read the study, but that is what the title says, no?
*'.. to consent to sexual activity
u/Morvack
Consent is an action, and like all actions? Have different motivations. A mother may consent to having a second child. The mother may also consent to shoving their kid out of the way of a spe