Consider National Guard Cyber Role & State Technician Job as Alternative to Active Duty

Published on 06/01/2025Hiring & Talent Acquisition Insights

Okay, here's an analysis based on the provided Reddit discussion, building upon the previous findings:

Key Skills, Tools, and Qualifications:

  • Skills:

    • Cybersecurity (including specific roles like Army 17C - Cyber Operations Specialist).
    • Software Engineering (SWE) (while its direct transferability to civilian SWE roles is debated, it's a solid foundational skill).
    • IT Support/Technician skills.
  • Tools: Not explicitly detailed, but implied by cyber roles (e.g., network security tools, diagnostic software).

  • Qualifications:

    • Top Secret (TS) Clearance: Highly valued for future career prospects.
    • Relevant Certifications: (e.g., CompTIA Security+), often paid for by the military/Guard.
    • Bachelor of Science in Computer Science (BS CS): The foundational degree the individual holds.
    • Military Experience/Training: Specific military training in cyber (e.g., 17C AIT) is crucial.
    • Skillbridge Program: A valuable transition program for exiting military members.
    • GI Bill: For future education.
    • Veterans' Preference: For future federal civilian jobs.

Screening for Better Job Opportunities & Output:

The core situation remains a 25-year-old CS graduate struggling to find a job and considering military options. The discussion reinforces two primary paths:

  1. Option 1 (Reaffirming previous analysis's alternative): National Guard (Cyber Role) + State National Guard Technician

    • Job Opportunity: Enlist in a National Guard cyber-designated role (e.g., Army 17C). Then, apply for a full-time federal technician position within the state's National Guard, often with preferential hiring for Guard members.
    • Resume/Career Direction:
      • Leverage BS in CS to qualify for a technical Guard MOS/AFSC.
      • Gain military cyber training and certifications (e.g., Security+) paid for by the Guard.
      • Obtain security clearance through Guard service.
      • Apply for state NG technician roles, highlighting Guard membership, clearance, certifications, and any acquired experience.
    • Expected Benefits:
      • Pay: Approximately $80,000/year as a state NG technician (as per a commenter, aligns with technician pay scales).
      • Benefits: Standard federal employee benefits as a technician, plus part-time Guard pay, Tricare Reserve Select (health insurance), GI Bill, retirement benefits (both civilian and military), and valuable cyber experience.
      • Clearance: Potential to obtain and maintain a security clearance (e.g., Secret or Top Secret).
      • Stability: Greater geographic stability compared to active duty.
      • Considerations: Cyber roles in the Guard can be competitive; full-time technician positions may be scarce and also competitive, sometimes requiring existing time in service or specific rank. Training for roles like 17C can be long.
  2. Option 2 (OP's original consideration, with more context): Active Duty Space Force or Air Force (Cyber/SWE Role)

    • Job Opportunity: Enlist in the Air Force or Space Force for a guaranteed cyber operations or software engineering related role (AFSC).
    • Resume/Career Direction:
      • Ensure the desired technical AFSC is guaranteed in the enlistment contract.
      • Successfully complete technical training.
      • Obtain a Top Secret (TS) clearance.
      • Gain 4+ years of hands-on experience.
      • Utilize Skillbridge program in the last 6 months of service to intern with a civilian company.
      • Leverage TS clearance, experience, GI Bill, and veteran status for post-military employment.
    • Expected Benefits:
      • Pay (Active Duty): Initial enlisted pay (e.g., E-3/E-4) plus housing allowance (BAH) and subsistence allowance (BAS). Total compensation can vary significantly by location but might range from $50k-$70k+ equivalent when non-taxable allowances are considered.
      • Benefits: Full military benefits including free healthcare, GI Bill, 30 days paid vacation, TS clearance.
      • Clearance: High likelihood of obtaining a TS clearance if in a relevant field.
      • Experience: Direct, hands-on experience in a cyber or SWE-related field.
      • Post-Service: Strong prospects for high-paying defense contractor or civilian government jobs, especially with a TS clearance and experience.
      • Considerations: Must be vigilant about getting the job guaranteed in the contract (recruiters may not always be forthcoming). A 2.7 GPA might make officer programs (generally preferred for degree holders) challenging to access. Military lifestyle commitment (less freedom, deployments, moving).

Overall Recommendation Based on Discussion:

The National Guard technician path remains a very strong alternative, potentially offering a "best of both worlds" scenario with civilian-comparable pay, good benefits, valuable experience/clearance, and more stability. However, its feasibility depends on the availability and competitiveness of both the initial Guard cyber slot and the subsequent technician position.

The active duty path is more straightforward in terms of getting a guaranteed role (if the contract is right) and a TS clearance, but involves a greater lifestyle change and commitment. It sets up the individual well for post-service opportunities.

The individual should carefully weigh the pros and cons of each, investigate the competitiveness of Guard cyber roles and technician positions in their state, and be extremely clear about job guarantees if pursuing active duty.

Origin Reddit Post

r/cscareerquestions

Is joining the military a bad idea for me?

Posted by u/thousandtusks06/01/2025
I'm a 25M who graduated a year ago with a BS in CS. Can't find a job. Working as a substitute teacher in the meantime. I am in the process of joining either the Space Force or the Air Force

Top Comments

u/ButtonLicking
I enlisted and completed training as an airborne linguist, for a language unrelated to OIF/OEF. 2 weeks at my first duty station I received my deployment orders to do a completely different j
u/fake-bird-123
Sounds good besides CMU. I have no idea how the hell you think you're getting in there even if you do amazing for 4 years.
u/thousandtusks
You're right, you can't pick your job in the USAF, you can in the USSF though. I've seen multiple redditors mention dual-tracking both and getting the first Cyber job that opens up in either
u/twnbay76
One thing to note is that Ive heard recruiters promise jobs to get enlistees to sign and they end up getting a completely different job. Just be vigilant about that. Nonetheless I do think
u/DJL06824
Sounds like a well thought out, awesome plan. Good luck!
u/kittysloth
Some bases have civilian jobs. Can you do that instead of enlisting?
u/Competitive-Host3266
I would NOT enlist if you have a bachelors. Officer or nothing
u/thousandtusks
I've tried applying for those civilian jobs at my local base but they're quite competitive to be accepted to. Also interested in the veterans benefits like healthcare and the GI Bill so I fig
u/aommi27
Yes, I used to work NG IT and this was a pretty common career path. Also had the advantage of giving "Work experience" while getting the certs done and paid for.
u/cookiekid6
Yeah I didn’t think you could pick your job in Air Force I know you can in army and navy.
u/thousandtusks
Interesting path that I didn't know about, gonna look into this. Thank you!
u/tlm11110
Just a data point. The National Guard is different than other branches. It is run more like individual businesses. You have to apply for jobs and get hired by specific commands. For example,
u/anemisto
Recruiters lie. Speak to as many veterans as you can find.
u/ABirdJustShatOnMyEye
Branching cyber is very competitive. No shot he makes it in with a 2.7 GPA.
u/just_a_lerker
But cyber and swe aren't usually transferable. I wouldn't say its mutually exclusive but the fields are even more different than devops and swe.
u/sprchrgddc5
I’m in the Army National Guard. Full time roles are seldom and you would be competing with others that have time in service over you. There’s also rank requirements for these jobs. Someone th
u/Competitive-Host3266
I would NOT enlist if you have a bachelors. Officer or nothing
u/SmackYoTitty
SWE skills are super transferrable so long as you’re coding or designing systems. The product might change but software principles remain mostly the same
u/relativeSkeptic
Sounds like a great plan, I did a similar thing and it worked out well for me. Also skillbridge is typically only 6 months not 9. A TS clearance is also not just given out you have to get
u/CurReign
The pay isn't necessarily as bad as you think because you get housing or an allowance. If you can get stationed somewhere with high COL and not be in military housing you can save quite a bit
u/twnbay76
One thing to note is that Ive heard recruiters promise jobs to get enlistees to sign and they end up getting a completely different job. Just be vigilant about that. Nonetheless I do think
u/anemisto
Recruiters lie. Speak to as many veterans as you can find.
u/PricedOut4Ever
Honestly, the only thing that sounds compelling for this job is this: ‘top security clearance’. You should look into what’s that worth and likely worth in 4 years. Besides that you’re self
u/fake-bird-123
Sounds good besides CMU. I have no idea how the hell you think you're getting in there even if you do amazing for 4 years.
u/cookiekid6
It’s harder to get cyber roles in the guard you generally have to know someone training is also very long and expensive for the state so you generally have to work into it reclass to a 17C (t
u/Spiritual-Matters
As long as you get cyber in your contract, it will open a ton of doors. If you have a problem with getting up in the morning to workout or can’t accept that the government owns you while in,
u/ButtonLicking
I enlisted and completed training as an airborne linguist, for a language unrelated to OIF/OEF. 2 weeks at my first duty station I received my deployment orders to do a completely different j
u/Electronic-Ad6523
OP's original plan sounded good, then I read this. I don't know enough about it, but this sounds like the same outcome in a much shorter and less rigid path. Curious if this comes from experi
u/thousandtusks
I've tried applying for those civilian jobs at my local base but they're quite competitive to be accepted to. Also interested in the veterans benefits like healthcare and the GI Bill so I fig
u/SmackYoTitty
SWE skills are super transferrable so long as you’re coding or designing systems. The product might change but software principles remain mostly the same
u/DJL06824
Sounds like a well thought out, awesome plan. Good luck!
u/CurReign
The pay isn't necessarily as bad as you think because you get housing or an allowance. If you can get stationed somewhere with high COL and not be in military housing you can save quite a bit
u/aommi27
Here's an idea, go join the national guard for a cyber role. Then apply to work as a technician at your state national guard. Should get 80k a year pay out of the gate with preferential hirin
u/kittysloth
Some bases have civilian jobs. Can you do that instead of enlisting?
u/tlm11110
Military is a way of life. Pay is low but you have fewer expenses also. It will change you and most likely for the better. It is an accomplishment that will make you proud. There is nothing w
u/thousandtusks
Interesting path that I didn't know about, gonna look into this. Thank you!
u/sprchrgddc5
I’m in the Army National Guard. Full time roles are seldom and you would be competing with others that have time in service over you. There’s also rank requirements for these jobs. Someone th
u/Shock-Broad
Your family and friends are likely going to tell you its a great plan. The only ones who won't are typically people who are critical of the military in general. It's not a terrible decision
u/SnooDrawings405
Sounds like a good plan.
u/thousandtusks
Every redditor always says this, I used to think the same. I'm not competitive with a 2.78. I basically got laughed out of an Army recruiter's office when I mentioned my GPA. He saw Harvard
u/relativeSkeptic
Sounds like a great plan, I did a similar thing and it worked out well for me. Also skillbridge is typically only 6 months not 9. A TS clearance is also not just given out you have to get
u/cookiekid6
It’s harder to get cyber roles in the guard you generally have to know someone training is also very long and expensive for the state so you generally have to work into it reclass to a 17C (t
u/aommi27
Yes, I used to work NG IT and this was a pretty common career path. Also had the advantage of giving "Work experience" while getting the certs done and paid for.
u/Competitive-Host3266
I guess times have changed. I thought officers were all liberal arts degrees
u/just_a_lerker
But cyber and swe aren't usually transferable. I wouldn't say its mutually exclusive but the fields are even more different than devops and swe.
u/cookiekid6
Yeah I didn’t think you could pick your job in Air Force I know you can in army and navy.
u/aommi27
Here's an idea, go join the national guard for a cyber role. Then apply to work as a technician at your state national guard. Should get 80k a year pay out of the gate with preferential hirin
u/Spiritual-Matters
As long as you get cyber in your contract, it will open a ton of doors. If you have a problem with getting up in the morning to workout or can’t accept that the government owns you while in,
u/Electronic-Ad6523
OP's original plan sounded good, then I read this. I don't know enough about it, but this sounds like the same outcome in a much shorter and less rigid path. Curious if this comes from experi
u/ABirdJustShatOnMyEye
Branching cyber is very competitive. No shot he makes it in with a 2.7 GPA.

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