Creator Ethics & Community Backlash: Reputation Management for Entertainment

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What’s the deal with people turning on Deltarune?

Posted by u/SirBackrooms•08/11/2025

I just saw a [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/s/ws4eX1ZfD9) where someone pondered whether they should uninstall Deltarune. Apparently Tony Fox has done something unethical, and Home

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u/FullMetalJ

Add to that that she is a woman and women tend to get more hate on the internet just cause there are tons of people that need to touch grass.

u/garifunu

Yep, classic humans Not surprised it’s always like this People looove to stand on their moral high ground but take a magnifying glass to any of them and you’ll see exactly why they are the

u/silam39

I went to check out the comments and > Because he is essentially working with two massive pieces of shit, and that should be enough to make everyone who ever liked toby a Piece of shit by

u/Deadpoint

And if Hussie has his way it never will be ancient history. He's destroying the source material and suing anyone trying to preserve it. I don't even like Homestuck but I abhor destroying art

u/IHazMagics

Well yeah, the person you replied to pointed out the negative things Vivziepop and Homestuck did. Your reply to them was pointing out Toby Fox has a genocide route in Undertale. Do you thin

u/nvmls

This is such a concise answer! Great comment for this sub.

u/Any59oh

See I didn't know that Toby Fox made music for Homestuck so thank you for that because I was over here wondering why in the world such a random creator was picked to voice John. Makes much mo

u/ShepardCommander001

Yeah there’s arguments to be made there, but this came out in like 2010. It’s not exactly ancient history. Also a ton of the fandom produced related work and feel that because they published

u/Buorky

I get what you mean, but unless you start a comment with "answer" the auto-mod gets mad.

u/IHazMagics

Oh yeah, and what real world analog are we juxtapositioning with a genocide ending which is less a statement about murdering people, and more analysing free will as it pertains to video games

u/lyricaldorian

Nonbinary actually but your point still stands

u/MrVernonDursley

I totally appreciate your sentiment, but the reason I didn't go into it is that I genuinely don't know much about VivziePop and the drama surrounding her work. I recall stuff about inappropri

u/MrVernonDursley

I don't want to act like Vivienne is an innocent little peach who can do no wrong because I still barely know anything about her, but it does feel like she gets a disproportional amount of fl

u/Action_Bronzong

>but that's never held against him in discussions around him or his show. The difference is this: The majority of Vivienne's fanbase originates from Tumblr. This is a terrible community

u/nullv

>you could probably count on one hand the number of people who care deeply about this. It's worth noting that this is one of those internet communities where one person making noise is a

u/I_Race_Pats

Social media addiction rots your brain. What kills me is that content creators feel pressured to pay attention to these gossips and address their stupid concerns.

u/nvmls

Unfortunately this is pretty common. when you make a deal with a publisher or studio a lot of times content gets restricted and the website becomes pretty useless and devoid of content. I thi

u/TristheHolyBlade

Write.

u/dantevonlocke

This is the best representation of homestuck I've ever seen. It was way to many peoples first major Fandom experience. Add in the normal parasocial stuff and that the start of it had lots of

u/Thirdatarian

As a former Homestuck fan now blissfully in recovery, those are the most insane people I've ever met (the worst ones I only met online, the ones at cons I went to were mostly normal). They we

u/MrVernonDursley

You left 4 separate comments under my post about Vivienne, you're in absolutely no position to be commenting on who gets needlessly upset about what.

u/NJDevil69

Did you know the Renaissance Men are coming to town?

u/nvmls

Unfortunately this is pretty common. when you make a deal with a publisher or studio a lot of times content gets restricted and the website becomes pretty useless and devoid of content. I thi

u/HyperCutIn

It’s literally just one person in that thread who’s being over dramatic . Everyone else in the thread is rightfully confused at their distressed behaviour and attitude.

u/nvmls

I had no idea, that's nuts. I bet people have it backed up though. Good old piracy.

u/Action_Bronzong

There's also the fact that she deliberately cultivated an audience from places that get *frothing mad* over minor infractions, which I think played a much bigger role.

u/ForgingIron

Six Degrees of Cancellation

u/ToranjaNuclear

Answer: nothing happened. I bet it's the nonsensical Viziepop hatewagon, since she's producing the show. Or maybe OP is one of the few people who hate the Homestuck creator for idk, some stup

u/AreoMaxxx

No, not at all. The genocide run is great commentary on the freedom of choice, but also the burden of the consequences. Flowey guilt-tripping you initially, and then ultimately completely te

u/Quintuplin

The best part of it is that homestuck has always had tons of shitty people doing shitty things within the story. But people act surprised when Hussie isn’t a paragon himself. It’s so perfectl

u/IHazMagics

I think you miss my point...

u/ShepardCommander001

Strange that people think the creator of homestuck has no rights to his own IP.

u/HyperCutIn

It’s literally just one person in that thread who’s being over dramatic . Everyone else in the thread is rightfully confused at their distressed behaviour and attitude.

u/Mutex70

It must be exhausting to constantly hate on every single person on the planet.

u/TristheHolyBlade

Write.

u/SinisterCryptid

Pretty much anything Vivziepop related makes people fucking pissed. Like I saw a tweet complaining about how she was trying to apparently market her series to school kids, when it was just a

u/lyricaldorian

Nonbinary actually but your point still stands

u/ProductAny2629

this has got to be the most chronically online thing i have read, i appreciate your efforts

u/Thirdatarian

As a former Homestuck fan now blissfully in recovery, those are the most insane people I've ever met (the worst ones I only met online, the ones at cons I went to were mostly normal). They we

u/IWanTPunCake

Andrew hussie fucked up a lot, just the other he is taking down the only way to experience Homestuck, a volunteer effort when his paid ways made it ruined. First he supports the project and t

u/MrVernonDursley

Answer: Some people are overreacting. By "some", I mean you could probably count on one hand the number of people who care deeply about this. Toby Fox is the creator of Undertale and Deltaru

u/SchrodingersHipster

There's also a tendency in certain branches of fandom to demand that any representation adhere to each individual's exact idea of what "good" representation is, and, per your first point, any

u/Mutex70

It must be exhausting to constantly hate on every single person on the planet.

u/GomaN1717

Damn, I'm so glad I'm employed and that this information has no bearing on me whatsoever.

u/ToranjaNuclear

Answer: nothing happened. I bet it's the nonsensical Viziepop hatewagon, since she's producing the show. Or maybe OP is one of the few people who hate the Homestuck creator for idk, some stup

u/FatherDotComical

The fat villain thing is laughable because they are all in hell anyways and 99% of the cast are terrible people. I'm not even a Hazbin fan (though I watched it to try it) and the fat characte

u/literal_moth

That’s some really good insight. I’ve also known a few, and it seems for some they also have very deep core beliefs of “everything is terrible all the time, nothing good ever happens, I’ll al

u/Quizzelbuck

> To elaborate more on Hussie, Homestuck fans know better than me. TL;DR: Bigoted comments in the early days of Homestuck, woefully mishandling a $2m+ crowdfunding campaign, sending legal

u/ScarletChild

So the Homestuck animated show is being done by the creator of Homestuck, besides some other general controversies he's been in, he basically shut down and took off all the old Homestuck cont

u/garifunu

Yep, classic humans Not surprised it’s always like this People looove to stand on their moral high ground but take a magnifying glass to any of them and you’ll see exactly why they are the

u/car_mom_whore

Perfectly reasonable reason, thanks for the response.

u/voidhearts

You can still stop and watch the trainwreck, no one will judge. 🍿

u/nvmls

This is such a concise answer! Great comment for this sub.

u/Deadpoint

Turning media into dead/lost media is always going to be controversial and myself and many others think it shouldn't be legal. From an art history perspective if nothing else, destroying thin

u/AreoMaxxx

Guess they never watched Totally Spies or Winx Club.

u/torac

From more-or-less loosely following the Hussie drama since ~2010/2011, Hussie does not seem capable of interacting with people in a normal way. This is "funny" if he’s an eccentric artiste o

u/Action_Bronzong

The part he leaves out is that most of VivziePop's audience comes from websites like Tumblr, which are mostly filled with terminally online unwell people. You can usually dismiss anything t

u/Stormwatcher33

Answer: It's tumblr people being tumblry about tumblr shit

u/Quizzelbuck

> To elaborate more on Hussie, Homestuck fans know better than me. TL;DR: Bigoted comments in the early days of Homestuck, woefully mishandling a $2m+ crowdfunding campaign, sending legal

u/Buorky

Answer: I mean even the comments in that post seem confused. All I saw was that Toby Fox would be voice acting in the Homestuck animated pilot. Unless I have also missed something I don’t se

u/Mutex70

It must be exhausting to constantly hate on every single person on the planet.

u/Buorky

Answer: I mean even the comments in that post seem confused. All I saw was that Toby Fox would be voice acting in the Homestuck animated pilot. Unless I have also missed something I don’t se

u/AQuietViolet

No clue. Vivzie, heavy herself, has done some body image introspection in her storytelling, which always has the chance of being misconstrued

u/FatherDotComical

The fat villain thing is laughable because they are all in hell anyways and 99% of the cast are terrible people. I'm not even a Hazbin fan (though I watched it to try it) and the fat characte

u/IHazMagics

I never got burden of consequence from it. The game goes out of its way to demonstrate why the things you do in the game are tiny, insignificant. That you can save and reload, save and reload

u/Action_Bronzong

The part he leaves out is that most of VivziePop's audience comes from websites like Tumblr, which are mostly filled with terminally online unwell people. You can usually dismiss anything t

u/wompthing

Wow, a complete nothing-burger then. Thanks for the write-up in any case

u/silam39

I went to check out the comments and > Because he is essentially working with two massive pieces of shit, and that should be enough to make everyone who ever liked toby a Piece of shit by

u/MrVernonDursley

I definitely oversimplified, but my understanding is that Hazbin Hotel has been criticised for having overwhelmingly skinny characters, and the few non-skinny characters either have reductive

u/AreoMaxxx

No, not at all. The genocide run is great commentary on the freedom of choice, but also the burden of the consequences. Flowey guilt-tripping you initially, and then ultimately completely te

u/car_mom_whore

Perfectly reasonable reason, thanks for the response.

u/ferafish

From my understanding while she was accused of drawing pedophilic art, the art in question is of an 18 year old student with a 19 year old student-teacher. And for the zoophilia... she did h

u/Deadpoint

It's common when publishing an "official" paid version of previously free content to take down the old content but I've never heard of a case like this where an adaptation is replacing the so

u/ScarletChild

So the Homestuck animated show is being done by the creator of Homestuck, besides some other general controversies he's been in, he basically shut down and took off all the old Homestuck cont

u/SirBackrooms

!solved

u/ferafish

From my understanding while she was accused of drawing pedophilic art, the art in question is of an 18 year old student with a 19 year old student-teacher. And for the zoophilia... she did h

u/dantevonlocke

Iirc he didn't just decide to shutdown the original. It heavily relied on flash and when that got the boot, so did homestuck.

u/Action_Bronzong

>but that's never held against him in discussions around him or his show. The difference is this: The majority of Vivienne's fanbase originates from Tumblr. This is a terrible community

u/silam39

I went to check out the comments and > Because he is essentially working with two massive pieces of shit, and that should be enough to make everyone who ever liked toby a Piece of shit by

u/IHazMagics

Well yeah, the person you replied to pointed out the negative things Vivziepop and Homestuck did. Your reply to them was pointing out Toby Fox has a genocide route in Undertale. Do you thin

u/Buorky

I get what you mean, but unless you start a comment with "answer" the auto-mod gets mad.

u/ShepardCommander001

Strange that people think the creator of homestuck has no rights to his own IP.

u/FullMetalJ

Vivianne Medrano was 15 years old +15 years ago... Kinda harsh to judge an adult for what they thought when they were teens. Like I was an incredibly stupid teen and let's be real 15 years ag

u/Djinn_Indigo

I just want you to know that this is legitimately the funniest thing I've read all night.

u/ToranjaNuclear

Answer: nothing happened. I bet it's the nonsensical Viziepop hatewagon, since she's producing the show. Or maybe OP is one of the few people who hate the Homestuck creator for idk, some stup

u/OllyOllyOxenBitch

My takeaway from all of this is that people really need to stop deifying others and holding them to an incredibly impossible moral standard.

u/FullMetalJ

Vivianne Medrano was 15 years old +15 years ago... Kinda harsh to judge an adult for what they thought when they were teens. Like I was an incredibly stupid teen and let's be real 15 years ag

u/torac

From more-or-less loosely following the Hussie drama since ~2010/2011, Hussie does not seem capable of interacting with people in a normal way. This is "funny" if he’s an eccentric artiste o

u/Honesty_Addict

it's always just, like, six very unhappy individuals championing these kinds of causes in my experience knowing people like this in real life, it's almost always people who have been abused

u/CupertinoEffect_

I think something important to bring up is that Andrew Hussie is in the midst of another massive drama debacle *right now,* and to some people the announcement of the animated pilot is a "lit

u/Thirdatarian

Yeah it's worth noting that at least when I was in the fandom, it was almost entirely neurodivergent teenagers who were experiencing fandom for the first time. Also relevant to the larger dis

u/IHazMagics

I never got burden of consequence from it. The game goes out of its way to demonstrate why the things you do in the game are tiny, insignificant. That you can save and reload, save and reload

u/dantevonlocke

This is the best representation of homestuck I've ever seen. It was way to many peoples first major Fandom experience. Add in the normal parasocial stuff and that the start of it had lots of

u/VeshWolfe

More than likely that none of her main cast of characters are “fat.” You know, a cast of demons, some of who look barely humanoid.

u/voidhearts

You can still stop and watch the trainwreck, no one will judge. 🍿

u/Electric27

This is a great answer, and I also wanted to add, though it's not all that big: Wplace has been gaining traction (for anyone who doesn't know, it's a real-time pixel drawing map of the whole

u/AreoMaxxx

It's funny that you call out that I've taken a hasty conclusion while making a hasty conclusion that I think "boo undertale bad" Maybe I should've been more clear, instead of typing a quick

u/MrVernonDursley

This is something I didn't consider since the attached post came from someone who was clearly a fan, but you're completely right. Broadly I have seen a bunch of people expressing disdain for

u/Lark_vi_Britannia

*"Gentlemen, we got 20 calls about the Homestuck / Toby Fox situation. And as you know, one call is one billion people."*

u/Stormwatcher33

Answer: It's tumblr people being tumblry about tumblr shit

u/literal_moth

That’s some really good insight. I’ve also known a few, and it seems for some they also have very deep core beliefs of “everything is terrible all the time, nothing good ever happens, I’ll al

u/MrVernonDursley

Answer: Some people are overreacting. By "some", I mean you could probably count on one hand the number of people who care deeply about this. Toby Fox is the creator of Undertale and Deltaru

u/AreoMaxxx

Guess they never watched Totally Spies or Winx Club.

u/IHazMagics

I think you miss my point...

u/Belledame-sans-Serif

A lot of older flash stuff *has* been preserved (like... Newgrounds had a whole process for it), and at various points there were commitments to officially do the same for Homestuck. That nev

u/Thirdatarian

Yeah it's worth noting that at least when I was in the fandom, it was almost entirely neurodivergent teenagers who were experiencing fandom for the first time. Also relevant to the larger dis

u/nullv

>you could probably count on one hand the number of people who care deeply about this. It's worth noting that this is one of those internet communities where one person making noise is a

u/IWanTPunCake

Andrew hussie fucked up a lot, just the other he is taking down the only way to experience Homestuck, a volunteer effort when his paid ways made it ruined. First he supports the project and t

u/NJDevil69

Great observation. I was in my 20s when this comic was at is peak in popularity. After I saw tons of kids running around with candy corn horns at conventions, I decided to give the comic a

u/Action_Bronzong

There's also the fact that she deliberately cultivated an audience from places that get *frothing mad* over minor infractions, which I think played a much bigger role.

u/ShepardCommander001

Yeah there’s arguments to be made there, but this came out in like 2010. It’s not exactly ancient history. Also a ton of the fandom produced related work and feel that because they published

u/FlamingOtaku

Answer: I assume this is in relation to his voicing of John Egbert in an upcoming Homestuck Animation pilot. Shortly before the trailer was announced, there was drama regarding the Homestuck

u/IHazMagics

Oh yeah, and what real world analog are we juxtapositioning with a genocide ending which is less a statement about murdering people, and more analysing free will as it pertains to video games

u/IHazMagics

Is that an answer? Like I get that the drama is a nothing burger that a handful of people seem to be up in arms about. But is a "hey this is what i saw i might be wrong though mightve misse

u/GeneReddit123

It's the "Ozempic should be banned because it invalidates the body positivity movement" kind of logic.

u/MrVernonDursley

I definitely oversimplified, but my understanding is that Hazbin Hotel has been criticised for having overwhelmingly skinny characters, and the few non-skinny characters either have reductive

u/nvmls

I had no idea, that's nuts. I bet people have it backed up though. Good old piracy.

u/Deadpoint

And if Hussie has his way it never will be ancient history. He's destroying the source material and suing anyone trying to preserve it. I don't even like Homestuck but I abhor destroying art

u/AreoMaxxx

It's funny that you call out that I've taken a hasty conclusion while making a hasty conclusion that I think "boo undertale bad" Maybe I should've been more clear, instead of typing a quick

u/Belledame-sans-Serif

A lot of older flash stuff *has* been preserved (like... Newgrounds had a whole process for it), and at various points there were commitments to officially do the same for Homestuck. That nev

u/Ok_Roof_2878

Who from Tumblr hurt you, m8?

u/SchrodingersHipster

There's also a tendency in certain branches of fandom to demand that any representation adhere to each individual's exact idea of what "good" representation is, and, per your first point, any

u/car_mom_whore

Why write such an in depth explanation and then not explain what Vivziepop drew that was so controversial? Was it CP? Homophobic? Religious insensitivity? Omitting what seems to be a a very r

u/ElusiveGuy

> fatphobic character design ...wtf does that even mean?

u/Deadpoint

Turning media into dead/lost media is always going to be controversial and myself and many others think it shouldn't be legal. From an art history perspective if nothing else, destroying thin

u/VeshWolfe

More than likely that none of her main cast of characters are “fat.” You know, a cast of demons, some of who look barely humanoid.

u/AreoMaxxx

I mean... Toby Fox has a whole _genocide_ happening in his game... Edit: _Sarcasm_

u/ProductAny2629

this has got to be the most chronically online thing i have read, i appreciate your efforts

u/ElusiveGuy

> fatphobic character design ...wtf does that even mean?

u/dantevonlocke

Iirc he didn't just decide to shutdown the original. It heavily relied on flash and when that got the boot, so did homestuck.

u/GeneReddit123

It's the "Ozempic should be banned because it invalidates the body positivity movement" kind of logic.

u/wompthing

Wow, a complete nothing-burger then. Thanks for the write-up in any case

u/Buorky

Answer: I mean even the comments in that post seem confused. All I saw was that Toby Fox would be voice acting in the Homestuck animated pilot. Unless I have also missed something I don’t se

u/FlamingOtaku

Answer: I assume this is in relation to his voicing of John Egbert in an upcoming Homestuck Animation pilot. Shortly before the trailer was announced, there was drama regarding the Homestuck

u/AreoMaxxx

I mean... Toby Fox has a whole _genocide_ happening in his game... Edit: _Sarcasm_

u/IHazMagics

Is that an answer? Like I get that the drama is a nothing burger that a handful of people seem to be up in arms about. But is a "hey this is what i saw i might be wrong though mightve misse

u/CupertinoEffect_

I think something important to bring up is that Andrew Hussie is in the midst of another massive drama debacle *right now,* and to some people the announcement of the animated pilot is a "lit

u/Lark_vi_Britannia

*"Gentlemen, we got 20 calls about the Homestuck / Toby Fox situation. And as you know, one call is one billion people."*

u/FullMetalJ

Ah I'm sorry. Didn't know.

u/OllyOllyOxenBitch

My takeaway from all of this is that people really need to stop deifying others and holding them to an incredibly impossible moral standard.

u/Djinn_Indigo

I just want you to know that this is legitimately the funniest thing I've read all night.

u/SinisterCryptid

Pretty much anything Vivziepop related makes people fucking pissed. Like I saw a tweet complaining about how she was trying to apparently market her series to school kids, when it was just a

u/I_Race_Pats

Social media addiction rots your brain. What kills me is that content creators feel pressured to pay attention to these gossips and address their stupid concerns.

u/FullMetalJ

Ah I'm sorry. Didn't know.

u/Quintuplin

The best part of it is that homestuck has always had tons of shitty people doing shitty things within the story. But people act surprised when Hussie isn’t a paragon himself. It’s so perfectl

u/Deadpoint

It's common when publishing an "official" paid version of previously free content to take down the old content but I've never heard of a case like this where an adaptation is replacing the so

u/MrVernonDursley

You left 4 separate comments under my post about Vivienne, you're in absolutely no position to be commenting on who gets needlessly upset about what.

u/TheHatThatTalks

Well, if you’ve got 2+ hours to burn, you can double feature [the video by Sarah Z that goes into the history of Homestuck and what happened with the kickstarter](https://youtu.be/ohFyOjfcLWQ

u/MrVernonDursley

The furthest I see this going is a Tweet calling out Toby getting 33 likes with 18 quote tweets calling that person stupid.

u/Honesty_Addict

it's always just, like, six very unhappy individuals championing these kinds of causes in my experience knowing people like this in real life, it's almost always people who have been abused

u/TheHatThatTalks

Well, if you’ve got 2+ hours to burn, you can double feature [the video by Sarah Z that goes into the history of Homestuck and what happened with the kickstarter](https://youtu.be/ohFyOjfcLWQ

u/ForgingIron

Six Degrees of Cancellation

u/MrVernonDursley

I totally appreciate your sentiment, but the reason I didn't go into it is that I genuinely don't know much about VivziePop and the drama surrounding her work. I recall stuff about inappropri

u/SirBackrooms

!solved

u/Any59oh

See I didn't know that Toby Fox made music for Homestuck so thank you for that because I was over here wondering why in the world such a random creator was picked to voice John. Makes much mo

u/ScarletChild

So the Homestuck animated show is being done by the creator of Homestuck, besides some other general controversies he's been in, he basically shut down and took off all the old Homestuck cont

u/MrVernonDursley

The furthest I see this going is a Tweet calling out Toby getting 33 likes with 18 quote tweets calling that person stupid.

u/car_mom_whore

Why write such an in depth explanation and then not explain what Vivziepop drew that was so controversial? Was it CP? Homophobic? Religious insensitivity? Omitting what seems to be a a very r

u/MrVernonDursley

Answer: Some people are overreacting. By "some", I mean you could probably count on one hand the number of people who care deeply about this. Toby Fox is the creator of Undertale and Deltaru

u/FullMetalJ

Add to that that she is a woman and women tend to get more hate on the internet just cause there are tons of people that need to touch grass.

u/MrVernonDursley

I don't want to act like Vivienne is an innocent little peach who can do no wrong because I still barely know anything about her, but it does feel like she gets a disproportional amount of fl

u/AQuietViolet

No clue. Vivzie, heavy herself, has done some body image introspection in her storytelling, which always has the chance of being misconstrued

u/FlamingOtaku

Answer: I assume this is in relation to his voicing of John Egbert in an upcoming Homestuck Animation pilot. Shortly before the trailer was announced, there was drama regarding the Homestuck

u/GomaN1717

Damn, I'm so glad I'm employed and that this information has no bearing on me whatsoever.

u/Ok_Roof_2878

Who from Tumblr hurt you, m8?

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