u/torcsandantlers
Most Ponzi schemes get caught because the person running the scheme doesn't have the cash to handle all demanded payouts. This usually happens very quickly, because it's impossible to promise
u/DongCha_Dao
I, too, have been holding GME for years
u/beemerbimmer
A family friend lost $90 million(!) from the whole Madoff deal. She said it just never occurred to them that there could be a problem, and that there were never any signs of foul play until t
u/spleeble
He accepted money from investors with a lot of wealth who were conservative and risk averse. He didn't claim spectacular returns, just very consistent above average returns.
People felt lik
u/here0is0me
One thing others aren't mentioning about what made Madoff unsuspecting was the fact that he would tell rich people "no". Madoff's investment firm, despite being fraudulent, was still very exc
u/superdupergasat
They needed volatile liquidity due to running a massive scheme. Putting some of that money into actual investments may have broke the system way before their actual fallout, whether inability
u/irredentistdecency
Well said - to add to this, he also targeted rich people who had to park their money somewhere & just wanted a good place to park it.
Unlike most Ponzi schemes, this wasn’t a “get rich”
u/ExhaustedByStupidity
He got a ton of money from rich, gullible suckers. But when you've got a lot of rich public figures as your clients, they don't exactly want to shout out to the world that they're stupid idio
u/No_Sir_6649
And also after him people mostly got wise to pyramid schemes.
u/IntoAMuteCrypt
There were two big things that helped Madoff fly under the radar.
First of all, he had the knowledge and position required to forge investment receipts. To an outsider employing a cursory gl
u/Awyls
Honestly, i find it hard to believe that was a rugpull, just a bunch of people having fun with it. Most "investors" knew it was essentially throwing away money and did it anyways..
u/decafade9
It seems crazy, at least put the money into an index fund and get a little growth, maybe it was easier to hide the fact it was a scam this way
u/OIlberger
They wanted to work for him. No exaggeration, the regulators were hoping to transition to the private sector with Madoff.
u/beemerbimmer
A family friend lost $90 million(!) from the whole Madoff deal. She said it just never occurred to them that there could be a problem, and that there were never any signs of foul play until t
u/goqsane
And now the same thing is happening with Ken Griffin and again the regulators pretend they don’t know anything.
u/DongCha_Dao
Madoff's scheme was actually detected by [Harry Marcopolos](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Markopolos) a significant period of time before Madoff was "officially" caught.
Marcopolos a
u/walshw11
Sounds about right
u/decafade9
It should also be noted Madoff was previously the chairman of NASDAQ and managed a brokerage firm that was legitimate so that must have provided an air of trustworthiness and must have made a
u/halplatmein
He famously was questioned by authorities in 2006, and he thought he'd be caught then, because there were no trades. Any minor amount of checking would have revealed that he's not investing.
u/baconbeak1998
Kenneth Cordele Griffin, the owner of both Citadel, the hedge fund and Citadel, the market maker, which is somehow not seen as a conflict of interest? The guy who assaulted his wife with a be
u/alexja21
I never touched gme, but from what I understand it was about cashing in on other investors short-selling the stock, rather than about profiting from gme's business model.
u/colossalpunch
The explanation I’ve seen is that at the time (not sure about now), the SEC was staffed mostly by lawyers who didn’t have the strong financial background necessary to spot the discrepancies t
u/JuanPancake
By some accounts Madoff was held hostage to produce fake gains for some firms who figured him out. He couldn’t just be a small scammer he had to keep it going, then when the 08 crisis hit the
u/DealioD
This is always what I go back to when I hear about Madoff. The FBI/IRS just didn’t do anything.
u/spleeble
He accepted money from investors with a lot of wealth who were conservative and risk averse. He didn't claim spectacular returns, just very consistent above average returns.
People felt lik
u/joeygoomba713
There is a documentary on YouTube from PBS Frontline (originally aired in 2009) that is actually very informative of all the inner workings on how the scheme operated and maintained. I’ve wat
u/tervasaurus
*grift horse
u/honicthesedgehog
Holy cow, talk about an unsung, and virtually ignored hero. Dude spent years compiling evidence and trying to hand it to anyone who would listen, from the SEC, to the NY Attorney General, to
u/Gnomio1
Something something cryptocurrency.
u/Leverkaas2516
All Ponzi schemes have a mechanism by which they claim to make investment returns. In Madoff's, the claimed mechanism was options trading in S&P 100 stocks. Any time it was necessary to i
u/Coomb
A lot of people don't like to hear this, but the federal government significantly underpays people with high competency/qualifications even as it overpays people with lower qualifications.
u/Leverkaas2516
All Ponzi schemes have a mechanism by which they claim to make investment returns. In Madoff's, the claimed mechanism was options trading in S&P 100 stocks. Any time it was necessary to i
u/decafade9
It should also be noted Madoff was previously the chairman of NASDAQ and managed a brokerage firm that was legitimate so that must have provided an air of trustworthiness and must have made a
u/DevelopedDevelopment
Ponzi schemes are funny because a legitimate business can become a Ponzi scheme trying to stay afloat. Many Ponzi schemes need to return your investment like a normal business anyway so if pe
u/rowrowfightthepandas
You think someone would do that? Take a struggling business, say, some retail game store company, and goad inexperienced investors into buying up their stock before an inevitable rug pull?
u/colossalpunch
The explanation I’ve seen is that at the time (not sure about now), the SEC was staffed mostly by lawyers who didn’t have the strong financial background necessary to spot the discrepancies t
u/IntoAMuteCrypt
There were two big things that helped Madoff fly under the radar.
First of all, he had the knowledge and position required to forge investment receipts. To an outsider employing a cursory gl
u/the_colonelclink
He basically borrowed money off people and offered them an unusually good interest rate.
He then borrowed even more money, from even more people, and used this new money to pay the unusually
u/here0is0me
One thing others aren't mentioning about what made Madoff unsuspecting was the fact that he would tell rich people "no". Madoff's investment firm, despite being fraudulent, was still very exc
u/honicthesedgehog
Holy cow, talk about an unsung, and virtually ignored hero. Dude spent years compiling evidence and trying to hand it to anyone who would listen, from the SEC, to the NY Attorney General, to
u/Ed_the_time_traveler
Here's the plan step one create Bitcoin. Step two, get the United States to hoard Bitcoin. Step three, rapidly deflate value of Bitcoin. Step four, add momentum to the usa's decline
u/DongCha_Dao
Madoff's scheme was actually detected by [Harry Marcopolos](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Markopolos) a significant period of time before Madoff was "officially" caught.
Marcopolos a
u/anonymousbopper767
He would pay off investors when they got suspicious. They don’t really care they’re participating in a Ponzi scheme if they’re getting paid from it. New blood was the people getting screwe
u/gnartung
Care to elaborate?
u/AantonChigurh
Whats crazy is that this was not the case with Madoff’s scheme. The fund never made a single legitimate investment. It was all just deposited into a single account from the very beginning.
u/DevelopedDevelopment
Ponzi schemes are funny because a legitimate business can become a Ponzi scheme trying to stay afloat. Many Ponzi schemes need to return your investment like a normal business anyway so if pe
u/AantonChigurh
Whats crazy is that this was not the case with Madoff’s scheme. The fund never made a single legitimate investment. It was all just deposited into a single account from the very beginning.
u/torcsandantlers
Most Ponzi schemes get caught because the person running the scheme doesn't have the cash to handle all demanded payouts. This usually happens very quickly, because it's impossible to promise