ELI5: Tarzan Public Domain Story vs. Trademarked Name – IP Rights Explained

Content Idea 1: The "ELI5: Public Domain Story vs. Trademarked Character" Explainer

  • Headline Idea: "ELI5: Tarzan's Story is Free, But His Name Isn't? Copyright vs. Trademark Explained!"
  • Content Angle:
    • Start with the Tarzan example: "You might have heard that the first Tarzan story is in the public domain. Great! You can reprint it or make a movie based exactly on that first book. But wait, someone says the name 'Tarzan' is trademarked. How can this be?"
    • Copyright Explained (Simply): Think of copyright like a temporary "No Copying!" sign on a specific creative work (book, song, movie). It protects the expression of an idea and has an expiry date. Once it expires, the work enters the public domain.
      • Example: The original "Tarzan of the Apes" book by Edgar Rice Burroughs.
    • Trademark Explained (Simply): A trademark is like a brand name or logo that tells you who made a product or service. It prevents others from using that name in a way that confuses customers about the source. It can last forever if renewed and used.
      • Example: The word "Tarzan" used on new books, movies, merchandise, and games to indicate they are officially from or endorsed by the Edgar Rice Burroughs, Inc. estate.
    • How They Co-exist: You can use the public domain story. You can call the character Tarzan within your adaptation of that public domain story. But you might face trouble if you try to launch a line of "Tarzan" toys or a new "Tarzan" comic book series that looks like you're the official Tarzan brand, thereby trading on the goodwill of the trademark.
    • Analogy: Think of it like an old family recipe for "Grandma's Famous Cookies" that's now public knowledge. You can bake and sell those cookies using the recipe. But if "Grandma's Famous Cookies" is a registered trademark for a bakery, you can't package your cookies in a way that makes people think they're from that bakery.
  • Target Audience:
    • General public curious about pop culture and IP.
    • Fans of older characters/stories (Tarzan, Sherlock Holmes, Winnie the Pooh).
    • Aspiring creators who might want to use public domain material.
    • Anyone who has seen "public domain" and "trademark" used and felt confused.

Content Idea 2: "So, What CAN I Do With a Public Domain Character Whose Name is Trademarked?" - A Practical Guide

  • Headline Idea: "Public Domain Tarzan: What You Can (and CAN'T) Do When Copyright & Trademark Collide"
  • Content Angle:
    • Acknowledge the confusion: "It's tricky! The story's free, the name's protected. Let's break down what this means for creators."
    • CAN DO (generally):
      • Republish the original public domain work(s) verbatim.
      • Create faithful adaptations of the specific public domain work(s), including using the character's name as it appears in that work.
      • Create new stories clearly based on the public domain version of the character, ensuring no confusion with the trademarked brand.
    • CAN'T DO (or be very careful with):
      • Use the trademarked name as the title of a new, original series in a way that implies official branding (e.g., "Tarzan: The New Adventures" might be problematic if it looks like an official ERB Inc. product).
      • Create merchandise (t-shirts, toys) using the trademarked name in a way that suggests it's official or from the trademark holder.
      • Use logos or stylings associated with the trademark holder.
      • Create works that copy elements from later, still-copyrighted Tarzan stories or from specific, trademarked depictions (e.g., a specific movie version's look if that look is also protected).
    • Key Principle: Avoid "consumer confusion." If what you're doing is likely to make someone think your work is an official product from the trademark holder, you're in risky territory.
    • Examples: Discuss Winnie the Pooh (A.A. Milne's original vs. Disney's version), Sherlock Holmes.
  • Target Audience:
    • Independent creators (writers, filmmakers, game developers).
    • Small publishers.
    • Entrepreneurs looking to leverage public domain content.
    • Legal enthusiasts.

Content Idea 3: "The IP Tango: Why Copyright Expiry Doesn't Erase Trademarks (Using Your Fave Characters!)"

  • Headline Idea: "Mickey, Tarzan, & Pooh: Why 'Public Domain' Doesn't Mean 'Free-For-All' Thanks to Trademarks"
  • Content Angle:
    • Focus on the why behind the two different systems.
    • Copyright's Goal: To encourage creativity by giving creators temporary exclusive rights, after which the work enriches the public domain.
    • Trademark's Goal: To protect consumers from confusion and businesses from unfair competition by identifying the source of goods/services.
    • Explain that these two systems operate independently, even if they apply to the same character/story.
    • Use recent examples like Steamboat Willie Mickey Mouse becoming public domain, but Disney still holding strong trademarks for "Mickey Mouse" as a brand.
    • Illustrate how a character can be a "literary work" (copyright) and a "brand identifier" (trademark) simultaneously.
    • The expiration of one (copyright on the original story) doesn't automatically invalidate the other (trademark on the name as a brand).
  • Target Audience:
    • People interested in media law and intellectual property.
    • Fans tracking public domain entries of famous characters.
    • Journalists or bloggers covering IP issues.
    • Anyone who enjoys "behind the scenes" explanations of how industries work.

Origin Reddit Post

r/explainlikeimfive

ELI5 The first Tarzan story is in the public domain but the name Tarzan is still owned by the author's estate?

Posted by u/MyAccountWasBanned706/04/2025
I just don't understand how both can be true. If the story is in the public domain, and the character in the story is called Tarzan, how is the name Tarzan still protected?

Top Comments

u/urzu_seven
Copyright vs. Trademark Copyright protects a work (movie, book, painting, etc.) and has a limited lifespan. Once that lifespan is exceeded the work enters the public domain and can be used f
u/ArenSteele
Correct me if I’m wrong , but I believe you could adapt the story any way you like, including using the name Tarzan. What you can’t do is go sell Tarzan T-shirts or Tarzan toys and merchandi
u/crypticsage
Actually, you might. Trademarks only protect it in the specific market it’s tied to. I could open up Tarzan’s PC repair for example. If we can’t fix it, we’ll smash it. Disney isn’t in th
u/Gawd_Awful
The same way Winnie the Pooh is public domain but you can’t take Disney’s version and use it. You can do a Pooh story, just no red shirt or anything that would make you think it’s the Disney
u/deep_sea2
The is could be a combination of things. First, characters in a story and the story itself can be subject to different copyrights. In franchises, the character might develop across different
u/bopeepsheep
Winnie the Pooh isn't public domain everywhere yet. UK/EU law protects the text until 1 Jan 2027, and the Shepard illustrations remain in copyright until 2046. It's not just the red shirt you
u/CodyyMichael
Would you be able to still call your hypothetical new Tarzan novel "Tarzan" or something containing the name?
u/Andrew5329
To be fair most of trademark comes down to a consumer ability to differentiate the authentic vs 3rd party product. I don't think anyone downloading iTunes reasonably thought it was owned by
u/RubberDuckQuack
Peeh*
u/ShinyMissingno
**Weird things happen when trademarks and copyrights collide**. After all, they're two different systems based on totally different philosophies and goals. The reasoning behind **copyright l
u/FarmboyJustice
Trademarks can last indefinitely, but only if you actually use them and defend them. 
u/mallad
The story is in the public domain, but the name is trademarked. They're different protections.
u/metsfanapk
The basic standard, to boil it down, is consumer confusion. You can use “Tarzan” but you can’t make your mark sound like it’s being endorsed or comes from the holders of the mark. Copyright
u/ArenSteele
Correct me if I’m wrong , but I believe you could adapt the story any way you like, including using the name Tarzan. What you can’t do is go sell Tarzan T-shirts or Tarzan toys and merchandi
u/Smaptimania
As an example, when Apple Computers set up shop in the late '70s, they got sued for infringing on the trademark of the Beatles' music label, Apple Records. The two companies reached a settlem
u/ResilientBiscuit
Because the name Tarzan is trademarked. That is a different protection from copyright that takes more work to acquire and defend.
u/Blothorn
“Entering the public domain” just means that the copyright expired; it doesn’t give an affirmative right to the public to use it that overrides other forms of IP protection.
u/Gawd_Awful
The same way Winnie the Pooh is public domain but you can’t take Disney’s version and use it. You can do a Pooh story, just no red shirt or anything that would make you think it’s the Disney
u/nevernotmad
Copyright protects the work. If the copyright is in effect then you can’t copy or adapt the work. Copyrights exist for a fixed period of time. Trademark is an exclusive right to use a mark
u/urzu_seven
I mean thats basically how Wicked did it. They didn't put "OZ" in the title but they were able to use the setting, characters, etc. freely in the books.
u/crypticsage
Actually, you might. Trademarks only protect it in the specific market it’s tied to. I could open up Tarzan’s PC repair for example. If we can’t fix it, we’ll smash it. Disney isn’t in th
u/-Memnarch-
How about calling him George?
u/urzu_seven
Copyright vs. Trademark Copyright protects a work (movie, book, painting, etc.) and has a limited lifespan. Once that lifespan is exceeded the work enters the public domain and can be used f
u/flippythemaster
The name Tarzan is trademarked. Trademarks are separate from copyright. So as long as the product you would hypothetically want to create doesn’t use Tarzan in its logo, branding, or any othe
u/DarkNinjaPenguin
And if you want to remake the first story, you can't use anything from the later stories which are not in the public domain.
u/Gawd_Awful
It was called an example. I deeply and truly apologize for not covering every possibility when providing said example so that someone could better understand what they were asking about. Plea
u/mallad
The story is in the public domain, but the name is trademarked. They're different protections.
u/Weather_d
Lol. I think "Hank of the Hills" would raise completely different copywrite issues though. Would he sell propane and propane accessories?
u/Worst_Username_Evar
I don’t know the right answer, but I sure know I’m seeing a lot of wrong answers in here.
u/MyAccountWasBanned7
I thought that was exactly what it does. I know it only applies to the specific works in PD and the premises therein (so Popeye is in but his use of spinach, and his rival Bluto are not) but
u/VoilaVoilaWashington
Exactly. Trademark is intended to guarantee quality. If anyone could sell shoes under the trade name Nike, you'd have NO idea whether you're getting them made by Nike or by someone gluing tog
u/flippythemaster
The name Tarzan is trademarked. Trademarks are separate from copyright. So as long as the product you would hypothetically want to create doesn’t use Tarzan in its logo, branding, or any othe
u/deep_sea2
Functionally no. Trademark basically protects against advertising and marketing using the good faith of someone else. You cannot use a trademark to get people to buy your product. The fear is
u/CreepyPhotographer
It only hurts when IP
u/Ruxsti
George the Pee in the 1000 square mile forest.
u/sighthoundman
George of the Jungle is still in copyright. Watch out for that (crash) tree!
u/GregoPDX
Like Dorothy from *The Wizard of Oz*. You can use the story, and you can use Dorothy - just not a Dorothy that looks too much like the movie (blue gingham dress, pigtails). Same with the ot
u/ResilientBiscuit
Because the name Tarzan is trademarked. That is a different protection from copyright that takes more work to acquire and defend.
u/mallad
Well that's where things can be tricky. These questions are sorted out in court once the issue arises. But generally speaking, before it was public domain, copying the story and changing na
u/Ruxsti
George the Pee in the 1000 square mile forest.
u/metsfanapk
The basic standard, to boil it down, is consumer confusion. You can use “Tarzan” but you can’t make your mark sound like it’s being endorsed or comes from the holders of the mark. Copyright
u/drkpnthr
Excellent summary!
u/Blothorn
“Entering the public domain” just means that the copyright expired; it doesn’t give an affirmative right to the public to use it that overrides other forms of IP protection.
u/MyAccountWasBanned7
But the story is called Tarzan of the Apes. He's the main, titular character. How does the story hitting public domain not also expose the character?
u/sighthoundman
George of the Jungle is still in copyright. Watch out for that (crash) tree!
u/mallad
Well that's where things can be tricky. These questions are sorted out in court once the issue arises. But generally speaking, before it was public domain, copying the story and changing na
u/metsfanapk
I knew my law school IP courses would pay off!
u/MyAccountWasBanned7
But the story is called Tarzan of the Apes. He's the main, titular character. How does the story hitting public domain not also expose the character?
u/Trogdor_98
Basically, the story being in the public domain means you can take the manuscript, copy it word for word, and re-sell it without needing permission from or paying royalties to the author's es
u/-Memnarch-
How about calling him George?

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