u/ragnaroksunset
So basically, you can divide by zero, but only at the cost of not actually doing what you wanted to do when you were inspired to divide by zero. :)
u/Redingold
A field is a collection of *things* where there is some notion of adding, subtracting, multiplying, and dividing the things, and where these operations behave, loosely speaking, in the same w
u/go_on_impress_me
By definition, when a / b = c,
it must also be true that b * c = a
So if b = 0 we end up having to solve the equation 0 * c = a, which is unsolvable for any a other than zero, because whate
u/zefciu
There exist algebraic structures that support zero division. They are called wheels. They are not fields by definition, but they can be consistently defined. The problem is, that as u/stumble
u/DanielMcLaury
>why it’s not possible to construct a set (or is it?) that satisfies all the field axioms but without the exception to the rule that all elements have a multiplicative inverse excluding th
u/platoprime
What does field mean in this context? A value for every point in a coordinate system doesn't seem to be what you're talking about.
u/zefciu
There exist algebraic structures that support zero division. They are called wheels. They are not fields by definition, but they can be consistently defined. The problem is, that as u/stumble
u/platoprime
What does field mean in this context? A value for every point in a coordinate system doesn't seem to be what you're talking about.
u/ragnaroksunset
So basically, you can divide by zero, but only at the cost of not actually doing what you wanted to do when you were inspired to divide by zero. :)
u/mfukar
The definition of a field is that it is a commutative ring where 0 ≠ 1 and all nonzero elements are invertible under multiplication. In wheels 0×x≠0 in the general case and x/x≠1 in the gener
u/caifaisai
>Honestly, you could say the same about infinity. It kind of shares similar principles in weirdness with math.
Kind of I suppose. But a major difference is that 0 is an element of any fie
u/RagnarokAeon
Honestly, you could say the same about infinity. It kind of shares similar principles in weirdness with math. Interestingly enough, depending on how you view it, it dividing by zero is comput
u/jyordy13
As long as you require an additive identity and distributivity of multiplication, you must have this exception for 0. Notice that in any field F, for all x in F we have 0x=(0+0)x = 0x+0x impl
u/davideogameman
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_theory
Based on this it's like a field but with monoids for addition and multiplication so there are not always additive and multiplicative inverses, s
u/ragnaroksunset
So basically, you can divide by zero, but only at the cost of not actually doing what you wanted to do when you were inspired to divide by zero. :)
u/alyssasaccount
One answer here suggested you are thinking of a vector field. I think that's wrong: You're using the term "field" to mean something that it often means in physics — for example, quantum field
u/i_feel_harassed
Well you might have seen the following proof of why 0 has no multiplicative inverse in the reals:
Suppose 0x = 1
Then (0 + 0)x = 1 (additive identity)
But (0 + 0)x = 0x + 0x = 1 + 1 (dis
u/RagnarokAeon
Honestly, you could say the same about infinity. It kind of shares similar principles in weirdness with math. Interestingly enough, depending on how you view it, it dividing by zero is comput
u/jyordy13
As long as you require an additive identity and distributivity of multiplication, you must have this exception for 0. Notice that in any field F, for all x in F we have 0x=(0+0)x = 0x+0x impl
u/kudlitan
In a field with a set and two operations, analogous to addition and multiplication, with the latter distributive over the former, we define a zero element to be the identity element for the a
u/i_feel_harassed
Well you might have seen the following proof of why 0 has no multiplicative inverse in the reals:
Suppose 0x = 1
Then (0 + 0)x = 1 (additive identity)
But (0 + 0)x = 0x + 0x = 1 + 1 (dis
u/mfukar
The definition of a field is that it is a commutative ring where 0 ≠ 1 and all nonzero elements are invertible under multiplication. In wheels 0×x≠0 in the general case and x/x≠1 in the gener
u/jyordy13
As long as you require an additive identity and distributivity of multiplication, you must have this exception for 0. Notice that in any field F, for all x in F we have 0x=(0+0)x = 0x+0x impl
u/mfukar
The definition of a field is that it is a commutative ring where 0 ≠ 1 and all nonzero elements are invertible under multiplication. In wheels 0×x≠0 in the general case and x/x≠1 in the gener
u/mfukar
The definition of a field is that it is a commutative ring where 0 ≠ 1 and all nonzero elements are invertible under multiplication. In wheels 0×x≠0 in the general case and x/x≠1 in the gener
u/platoprime
What does field mean in this context? A value for every point in a coordinate system doesn't seem to be what you're talking about.
u/kudlitan
In a field with a set and two operations, analogous to addition and multiplication, with the latter distributive over the former, we define a zero element to be the identity element for the a
u/ragnaroksunset
So basically, you can divide by zero, but only at the cost of not actually doing what you wanted to do when you were inspired to divide by zero. :)
u/davideogameman
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_theory
Based on this it's like a field but with monoids for addition and multiplication so there are not always additive and multiplicative inverses, s
u/go_on_impress_me
By definition, when a / b = c,
it must also be true that b * c = a
So if b = 0 we end up having to solve the equation 0 * c = a, which is unsolvable for any a other than zero, because whate
u/i_feel_harassed
Well you might have seen the following proof of why 0 has no multiplicative inverse in the reals:
Suppose 0x = 1
Then (0 + 0)x = 1 (additive identity)
But (0 + 0)x = 0x + 0x = 1 + 1 (dis
u/Mimshot
Initeresting. Which field axiom(s) do wheels violate?
u/Mimshot
Initeresting. Which field axiom(s) do wheels violate?
u/caifaisai
>Honestly, you could say the same about infinity. It kind of shares similar principles in weirdness with math.
Kind of I suppose. But a major difference is that 0 is an element of any fie
u/alyssasaccount
One answer here suggested you are thinking of a vector field. I think that's wrong: You're using the term "field" to mean something that it often means in physics — for example, quantum field
u/proudHaskeller
Small correction: this **proves** that no structure with division by zero can be a field.
u/kudlitan
In a field with a set and two operations, analogous to addition and multiplication, with the latter distributive over the former, we define a zero element to be the identity element for the a
u/Redingold
A field is a collection of *things* where there is some notion of adding, subtracting, multiplying, and dividing the things, and where these operations behave, loosely speaking, in the same w
u/kudlitan
In a field with a set and two operations, analogous to addition and multiplication, with the latter distributive over the former, we define a zero element to be the identity element for the a
u/mfukar
The definition of a field is that it is a commutative ring where 0 ≠ 1 and all nonzero elements are invertible under multiplication. In wheels 0×x≠0 in the general case and x/x≠1 in the gener
u/kudlitan
In a field with a set and two operations, analogous to addition and multiplication, with the latter distributive over the former, we define a zero element to be the identity element for the a
u/TheNextUnicornAlong
Almost every 'proof' that 1=2 that I've seen relies somewhere on a hidden divide-by-zero
u/jyordy13
You can read about the algebraic structures called “fields” [here, under the header “Definition”.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_(mathematics)) Basically fields are sets of objects wh
u/davideogameman
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_theory
Based on this it's like a field but with monoids for addition and multiplication so there are not always additive and multiplicative inverses, s
u/alyssasaccount
One answer here suggested you are thinking of a vector field. I think that's wrong: You're using the term "field" to mean something that it often means in physics — for example, quantum field
u/Redingold
A field is a collection of *things* where there is some notion of adding, subtracting, multiplying, and dividing the things, and where these operations behave, loosely speaking, in the same w
u/platoprime
What does field mean in this context? A value for every point in a coordinate system doesn't seem to be what you're talking about.
u/RagnarokAeon
Honestly, you could say the same about infinity. It kind of shares similar principles in weirdness with math. Interestingly enough, depending on how you view it, it dividing by zero is comput
u/heyheyhey27
> You can model infinity in software as a symbol, but it's rarely useful for real world purposes
Floating-point standard would beg to differ. For example if you're finding the max/min of
u/alyssasaccount
One answer here suggested you are thinking of a vector field. I think that's wrong: You're using the term "field" to mean something that it often means in physics — for example, quantum field
u/ragnaroksunset
So basically, you can divide by zero, but only at the cost of not actually doing what you wanted to do when you were inspired to divide by zero. :)
u/i_feel_harassed
Well you might have seen the following proof of why 0 has no multiplicative inverse in the reals:
Suppose 0x = 1
Then (0 + 0)x = 1 (additive identity)
But (0 + 0)x = 0x + 0x = 1 + 1 (dis
u/mfukar
The definition of a field is that it is a commutative ring where 0 ≠ 1 and all nonzero elements are invertible under multiplication. In wheels 0×x≠0 in the general case and x/x≠1 in the gener
u/RagnarokAeon
Honestly, you could say the same about infinity. It kind of shares similar principles in weirdness with math. Interestingly enough, depending on how you view it, it dividing by zero is comput
u/DanielMcLaury
>why it’s not possible to construct a set (or is it?) that satisfies all the field axioms but without the exception to the rule that all elements have a multiplicative inverse excluding th
u/HopeFox
That's pretty much what this all comes down to. You can "divide by zero" if you really want to, but only by changing what either "divide" means or what "zero" means.
u/go_on_impress_me
By definition, when a / b = c,
it must also be true that b * c = a
So if b = 0 we end up having to solve the equation 0 * c = a, which is unsolvable for any a other than zero, because whate
u/jyordy13
As long as you require an additive identity and distributivity of multiplication, you must have this exception for 0. Notice that in any field F, for all x in F we have 0x=(0+0)x = 0x+0x impl
u/i_feel_harassed
Well you might have seen the following proof of why 0 has no multiplicative inverse in the reals:
Suppose 0x = 1
Then (0 + 0)x = 1 (additive identity)
But (0 + 0)x = 0x + 0x = 1 + 1 (dis
u/mfukar
The definition of a field is that it is a commutative ring where 0 ≠ 1 and all nonzero elements are invertible under multiplication. In wheels 0×x≠0 in the general case and x/x≠1 in the gener
u/go_on_impress_me
By definition, when a / b = c,
it must also be true that b * c = a
So if b = 0 we end up having to solve the equation 0 * c = a, which is unsolvable for any a other than zero, because whate
u/i_feel_harassed
Well you might have seen the following proof of why 0 has no multiplicative inverse in the reals:
Suppose 0x = 1
Then (0 + 0)x = 1 (additive identity)
But (0 + 0)x = 0x + 0x = 1 + 1 (dis
u/kudlitan
In a field with a set and two operations, analogous to addition and multiplication, with the latter distributive over the former, we define a zero element to be the identity element for the a
u/caifaisai
>Honestly, you could say the same about infinity. It kind of shares similar principles in weirdness with math.
Kind of I suppose. But a major difference is that 0 is an element of any fie
u/zefciu
There exist algebraic structures that support zero division. They are called wheels. They are not fields by definition, but they can be consistently defined. The problem is, that as u/stumble
u/zefciu
There exist algebraic structures that support zero division. They are called wheels. They are not fields by definition, but they can be consistently defined. The problem is, that as u/stumble
u/proudHaskeller
Small correction: this **proves** that no structure with division by zero can be a field.
u/Mimshot
Initeresting. Which field axiom(s) do wheels violate?
u/davideogameman
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_theory
Based on this it's like a field but with monoids for addition and multiplication so there are not always additive and multiplicative inverses, s
u/davideogameman
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_theory
Based on this it's like a field but with monoids for addition and multiplication so there are not always additive and multiplicative inverses, s
u/platoprime
What does field mean in this context? A value for every point in a coordinate system doesn't seem to be what you're talking about.
u/DanielMcLaury
>why it’s not possible to construct a set (or is it?) that satisfies all the field axioms but without the exception to the rule that all elements have a multiplicative inverse excluding th
u/proudHaskeller
Small correction: this **proves** that no structure with division by zero can be a field.
u/proudHaskeller
Small correction: this **proves** that no structure with division by zero can be a field.
u/jyordy13
You can read about the algebraic structures called “fields” [here, under the header “Definition”.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_(mathematics)) Basically fields are sets of objects wh
u/DanielMcLaury
>why it’s not possible to construct a set (or is it?) that satisfies all the field axioms but without the exception to the rule that all elements have a multiplicative inverse excluding th
u/davideogameman
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_theory
Based on this it's like a field but with monoids for addition and multiplication so there are not always additive and multiplicative inverses, s
u/jyordy13
The use of the formal symbol \infty (for example Lebesgue measure on the real numbers has range [0, \infty] since we’d like some sets to have area larger than any natural number) usually is d
u/TheNextUnicornAlong
Almost every 'proof' that 1=2 that I've seen relies somewhere on a hidden divide-by-zero
u/Redingold
A field is a collection of *things* where there is some notion of adding, subtracting, multiplying, and dividing the things, and where these operations behave, loosely speaking, in the same w
u/Mimshot
Initeresting. Which field axiom(s) do wheels violate?
u/Mimshot
Initeresting. Which field axiom(s) do wheels violate?
u/i_feel_harassed
Well you might have seen the following proof of why 0 has no multiplicative inverse in the reals:
Suppose 0x = 1
Then (0 + 0)x = 1 (additive identity)
But (0 + 0)x = 0x + 0x = 1 + 1 (dis
u/Mimshot
Initeresting. Which field axiom(s) do wheels violate?
u/mfukar
The definition of a field is that it is a commutative ring where 0 ≠ 1 and all nonzero elements are invertible under multiplication. In wheels 0×x≠0 in the general case and x/x≠1 in the gener
u/ragnaroksunset
So basically, you can divide by zero, but only at the cost of not actually doing what you wanted to do when you were inspired to divide by zero. :)
u/Redingold
A field is a collection of *things* where there is some notion of adding, subtracting, multiplying, and dividing the things, and where these operations behave, loosely speaking, in the same w
u/HopeFox
That's pretty much what this all comes down to. You can "divide by zero" if you really want to, but only by changing what either "divide" means or what "zero" means.
u/go_on_impress_me
By definition, when a / b = c,
it must also be true that b * c = a
So if b = 0 we end up having to solve the equation 0 * c = a, which is unsolvable for any a other than zero, because whate
u/zefciu
There exist algebraic structures that support zero division. They are called wheels. They are not fields by definition, but they can be consistently defined. The problem is, that as u/stumble
u/BrettW-CD
Sounds like a great way to create hard-to-find bugs by assigning a meaningful number to a non-meaningful situation.
u/Mimshot
Initeresting. Which field axiom(s) do wheels violate?
u/Mimshot
Initeresting. Which field axiom(s) do wheels violate?
u/ragnaroksunset
So basically, you can divide by zero, but only at the cost of not actually doing what you wanted to do when you were inspired to divide by zero. :)
u/DanielMcLaury
>why it’s not possible to construct a set (or is it?) that satisfies all the field axioms but without the exception to the rule that all elements have a multiplicative inverse excluding th
u/davideogameman
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_theory
Based on this it's like a field but with monoids for addition and multiplication so there are not always additive and multiplicative inverses, s
u/proudHaskeller
Small correction: this **proves** that no structure with division by zero can be a field.
u/mfukar
The definition of a field is that it is a commutative ring where 0 ≠ 1 and all nonzero elements are invertible under multiplication. In wheels 0×x≠0 in the general case and x/x≠1 in the gener
u/ragnaroksunset
So basically, you can divide by zero, but only at the cost of not actually doing what you wanted to do when you were inspired to divide by zero. :)
u/kudlitan
In a field with a set and two operations, analogous to addition and multiplication, with the latter distributive over the former, we define a zero element to be the identity element for the a
u/go_on_impress_me
By definition, when a / b = c,
it must also be true that b * c = a
So if b = 0 we end up having to solve the equation 0 * c = a, which is unsolvable for any a other than zero, because whate
u/proudHaskeller
Small correction: this **proves** that no structure with division by zero can be a field.
u/jyordy13
You can read about the algebraic structures called “fields” [here, under the header “Definition”.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_(mathematics)) Basically fields are sets of objects wh
u/Dihedralman
Often computational software will allow for different "infinities" or numeric error codes. NaN can be seperate from divide by zero, while both inf and -inf are defined. Obviously those don't
u/zefciu
There exist algebraic structures that support zero division. They are called wheels. They are not fields by definition, but they can be consistently defined. The problem is, that as u/stumble
u/platoprime
What does field mean in this context? A value for every point in a coordinate system doesn't seem to be what you're talking about.
u/HopeFox
That's pretty much what this all comes down to. You can "divide by zero" if you really want to, but only by changing what either "divide" means or what "zero" means.
u/proudHaskeller
Small correction: this **proves** that no structure with division by zero can be a field.
u/davideogameman
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_theory
Based on this it's like a field but with monoids for addition and multiplication so there are not always additive and multiplicative inverses, s
u/go_on_impress_me
By definition, when a / b = c,
it must also be true that b * c = a
So if b = 0 we end up having to solve the equation 0 * c = a, which is unsolvable for any a other than zero, because whate
u/jyordy13
You can read about the algebraic structures called “fields” [here, under the header “Definition”.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_(mathematics)) Basically fields are sets of objects wh
u/go_on_impress_me
By definition, when a / b = c,
it must also be true that b * c = a
So if b = 0 we end up having to solve the equation 0 * c = a, which is unsolvable for any a other than zero, because whate
u/jyordy13
As long as you require an additive identity and distributivity of multiplication, you must have this exception for 0. Notice that in any field F, for all x in F we have 0x=(0+0)x = 0x+0x impl
u/HopeFox
That's pretty much what this all comes down to. You can "divide by zero" if you really want to, but only by changing what either "divide" means or what "zero" means.
u/davideogameman
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_theory
Based on this it's like a field but with monoids for addition and multiplication so there are not always additive and multiplicative inverses, s
u/go_on_impress_me
By definition, when a / b = c,
it must also be true that b * c = a
So if b = 0 we end up having to solve the equation 0 * c = a, which is unsolvable for any a other than zero, because whate
u/platoprime
What does field mean in this context? A value for every point in a coordinate system doesn't seem to be what you're talking about.
u/HopeFox
That's pretty much what this all comes down to. You can "divide by zero" if you really want to, but only by changing what either "divide" means or what "zero" means.
u/zefciu
There exist algebraic structures that support zero division. They are called wheels. They are not fields by definition, but they can be consistently defined. The problem is, that as u/stumble
u/kudlitan
In a field with a set and two operations, analogous to addition and multiplication, with the latter distributive over the former, we define a zero element to be the identity element for the a
u/go_on_impress_me
By definition, when a / b = c,
it must also be true that b * c = a
So if b = 0 we end up having to solve the equation 0 * c = a, which is unsolvable for any a other than zero, because whate
u/jyordy13
You can read about the algebraic structures called “fields” [here, under the header “Definition”.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_(mathematics)) Basically fields are sets of objects wh
u/Redingold
A field is a collection of *things* where there is some notion of adding, subtracting, multiplying, and dividing the things, and where these operations behave, loosely speaking, in the same w
u/HopeFox
That's pretty much what this all comes down to. You can "divide by zero" if you really want to, but only by changing what either "divide" means or what "zero" means.
u/caifaisai
>Honestly, you could say the same about infinity. It kind of shares similar principles in weirdness with math.
Kind of I suppose. But a major difference is that 0 is an element of any fie
u/zefciu
There exist algebraic structures that support zero division. They are called wheels. They are not fields by definition, but they can be consistently defined. The problem is, that as u/stumble
u/HopeFox
That's pretty much what this all comes down to. You can "divide by zero" if you really want to, but only by changing what either "divide" means or what "zero" means.
u/jyordy13
You can read about the algebraic structures called “fields” [here, under the header “Definition”.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_(mathematics)) Basically fields are sets of objects wh
u/caifaisai
>Honestly, you could say the same about infinity. It kind of shares similar principles in weirdness with math.
Kind of I suppose. But a major difference is that 0 is an element of any fie
u/caifaisai
>Honestly, you could say the same about infinity. It kind of shares similar principles in weirdness with math.
Kind of I suppose. But a major difference is that 0 is an element of any fie
u/ragnaroksunset
So basically, you can divide by zero, but only at the cost of not actually doing what you wanted to do when you were inspired to divide by zero. :)
u/ragnaroksunset
So basically, you can divide by zero, but only at the cost of not actually doing what you wanted to do when you were inspired to divide by zero. :)
u/platoprime
What does field mean in this context? A value for every point in a coordinate system doesn't seem to be what you're talking about.
u/TheNextUnicornAlong
Almost every 'proof' that 1=2 that I've seen relies somewhere on a hidden divide-by-zero
u/alyssasaccount
One answer here suggested you are thinking of a vector field. I think that's wrong: You're using the term "field" to mean something that it often means in physics — for example, quantum field
u/mfukar
The definition of a field is that it is a commutative ring where 0 ≠ 1 and all nonzero elements are invertible under multiplication. In wheels 0×x≠0 in the general case and x/x≠1 in the gener
u/i_feel_harassed
Well you might have seen the following proof of why 0 has no multiplicative inverse in the reals:
Suppose 0x = 1
Then (0 + 0)x = 1 (additive identity)
But (0 + 0)x = 0x + 0x = 1 + 1 (dis
u/TheNextUnicornAlong
Almost every 'proof' that 1=2 that I've seen relies somewhere on a hidden divide-by-zero
u/i_feel_harassed
Well you might have seen the following proof of why 0 has no multiplicative inverse in the reals:
Suppose 0x = 1
Then (0 + 0)x = 1 (additive identity)
But (0 + 0)x = 0x + 0x = 1 + 1 (dis
u/mfukar
The definition of a field is that it is a commutative ring where 0 ≠ 1 and all nonzero elements are invertible under multiplication. In wheels 0×x≠0 in the general case and x/x≠1 in the gener
u/RagnarokAeon
Honestly, you could say the same about infinity. It kind of shares similar principles in weirdness with math. Interestingly enough, depending on how you view it, it dividing by zero is comput
u/seriousnotshirley
For a field we want that multiplicative inverses are unique. Suppose we define division by 0 such that 1/0 = w which we can informally think of as "infinity"; but then we also have that 2/0 =
u/TheNextUnicornAlong
Almost every 'proof' that 1=2 that I've seen relies somewhere on a hidden divide-by-zero
u/RagnarokAeon
Honestly, you could say the same about infinity. It kind of shares similar principles in weirdness with math. Interestingly enough, depending on how you view it, it dividing by zero is comput
u/alyssasaccount
One answer here suggested you are thinking of a vector field. I think that's wrong: You're using the term "field" to mean something that it often means in physics — for example, quantum field
u/DanielMcLaury
>why it’s not possible to construct a set (or is it?) that satisfies all the field axioms but without the exception to the rule that all elements have a multiplicative inverse excluding th
u/mfukar
The definition of a field is that it is a commutative ring where 0 ≠ 1 and all nonzero elements are invertible under multiplication. In wheels 0×x≠0 in the general case and x/x≠1 in the gener
u/alyssasaccount
One answer here suggested you are thinking of a vector field. I think that's wrong: You're using the term "field" to mean something that it often means in physics — for example, quantum field
u/jyordy13
As long as you require an additive identity and distributivity of multiplication, you must have this exception for 0. Notice that in any field F, for all x in F we have 0x=(0+0)x = 0x+0x impl
u/i_feel_harassed
Well you might have seen the following proof of why 0 has no multiplicative inverse in the reals:
Suppose 0x = 1
Then (0 + 0)x = 1 (additive identity)
But (0 + 0)x = 0x + 0x = 1 + 1 (dis
u/caifaisai
>Honestly, you could say the same about infinity. It kind of shares similar principles in weirdness with math.
Kind of I suppose. But a major difference is that 0 is an element of any fie
u/go_on_impress_me
By definition, when a / b = c,
it must also be true that b * c = a
So if b = 0 we end up having to solve the equation 0 * c = a, which is unsolvable for any a other than zero, because whate
u/RagnarokAeon
Honestly, you could say the same about infinity. It kind of shares similar principles in weirdness with math. Interestingly enough, depending on how you view it, it dividing by zero is comput
u/davideogameman
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_theory
Based on this it's like a field but with monoids for addition and multiplication so there are not always additive and multiplicative inverses, s
u/zefciu
There exist algebraic structures that support zero division. They are called wheels. They are not fields by definition, but they can be consistently defined. The problem is, that as u/stumble
u/zefciu
There exist algebraic structures that support zero division. They are called wheels. They are not fields by definition, but they can be consistently defined. The problem is, that as u/stumble
u/platoprime
What does field mean in this context? A value for every point in a coordinate system doesn't seem to be what you're talking about.
u/TheNextUnicornAlong
Almost every 'proof' that 1=2 that I've seen relies somewhere on a hidden divide-by-zero
u/TheNextUnicornAlong
Almost every 'proof' that 1=2 that I've seen relies somewhere on a hidden divide-by-zero
u/kudlitan
In a field with a set and two operations, analogous to addition and multiplication, with the latter distributive over the former, we define a zero element to be the identity element for the a
u/davideogameman
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_theory
Based on this it's like a field but with monoids for addition and multiplication so there are not always additive and multiplicative inverses, s
u/TheNextUnicornAlong
Almost every 'proof' that 1=2 that I've seen relies somewhere on a hidden divide-by-zero
u/DanielMcLaury
>why it’s not possible to construct a set (or is it?) that satisfies all the field axioms but without the exception to the rule that all elements have a multiplicative inverse excluding th
u/go_on_impress_me
By definition, when a / b = c,
it must also be true that b * c = a
So if b = 0 we end up having to solve the equation 0 * c = a, which is unsolvable for any a other than zero, because whate
u/TheNextUnicornAlong
Almost every 'proof' that 1=2 that I've seen relies somewhere on a hidden divide-by-zero
u/RagnarokAeon
Honestly, you could say the same about infinity. It kind of shares similar principles in weirdness with math. Interestingly enough, depending on how you view it, it dividing by zero is comput
u/zefciu
There exist algebraic structures that support zero division. They are called wheels. They are not fields by definition, but they can be consistently defined. The problem is, that as u/stumble
u/HopeFox
That's pretty much what this all comes down to. You can "divide by zero" if you really want to, but only by changing what either "divide" means or what "zero" means.
u/DanielMcLaury
>why it’s not possible to construct a set (or is it?) that satisfies all the field axioms but without the exception to the rule that all elements have a multiplicative inverse excluding th
u/ragnaroksunset
So basically, you can divide by zero, but only at the cost of not actually doing what you wanted to do when you were inspired to divide by zero. :)
u/go_on_impress_me
By definition, when a / b = c,
it must also be true that b * c = a
So if b = 0 we end up having to solve the equation 0 * c = a, which is unsolvable for any a other than zero, because whate
u/jyordy13
You can read about the algebraic structures called “fields” [here, under the header “Definition”.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_(mathematics)) Basically fields are sets of objects wh
u/platoprime
What does field mean in this context? A value for every point in a coordinate system doesn't seem to be what you're talking about.
u/DanielMcLaury
>why it’s not possible to construct a set (or is it?) that satisfies all the field axioms but without the exception to the rule that all elements have a multiplicative inverse excluding th
u/jyordy13
You can read about the algebraic structures called “fields” [here, under the header “Definition”.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_(mathematics)) Basically fields are sets of objects wh
u/jyordy13
You can read about the algebraic structures called “fields” [here, under the header “Definition”.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_(mathematics)) Basically fields are sets of objects wh
u/proudHaskeller
Small correction: this **proves** that no structure with division by zero can be a field.
u/ragnaroksunset
So basically, you can divide by zero, but only at the cost of not actually doing what you wanted to do when you were inspired to divide by zero. :)
u/DanielMcLaury
>why it’s not possible to construct a set (or is it?) that satisfies all the field axioms but without the exception to the rule that all elements have a multiplicative inverse excluding th
u/DanielMcLaury
>why it’s not possible to construct a set (or is it?) that satisfies all the field axioms but without the exception to the rule that all elements have a multiplicative inverse excluding th
u/TheNextUnicornAlong
Almost every 'proof' that 1=2 that I've seen relies somewhere on a hidden divide-by-zero
u/proudHaskeller
Small correction: this **proves** that no structure with division by zero can be a field.
u/RagnarokAeon
Honestly, you could say the same about infinity. It kind of shares similar principles in weirdness with math. Interestingly enough, depending on how you view it, it dividing by zero is comput
u/Redingold
A field is a collection of *things* where there is some notion of adding, subtracting, multiplying, and dividing the things, and where these operations behave, loosely speaking, in the same w
u/Mimshot
Initeresting. Which field axiom(s) do wheels violate?
u/alyssasaccount
One answer here suggested you are thinking of a vector field. I think that's wrong: You're using the term "field" to mean something that it often means in physics — for example, quantum field
u/proudHaskeller
Small correction: this **proves** that no structure with division by zero can be a field.
u/alyssasaccount
One answer here suggested you are thinking of a vector field. I think that's wrong: You're using the term "field" to mean something that it often means in physics — for example, quantum field
u/RagnarokAeon
Honestly, you could say the same about infinity. It kind of shares similar principles in weirdness with math. Interestingly enough, depending on how you view it, it dividing by zero is comput
u/kudlitan
In a field with a set and two operations, analogous to addition and multiplication, with the latter distributive over the former, we define a zero element to be the identity element for the a
u/alyssasaccount
One answer here suggested you are thinking of a vector field. I think that's wrong: You're using the term "field" to mean something that it often means in physics — for example, quantum field
u/proudHaskeller
Small correction: this **proves** that no structure with division by zero can be a field.
u/HopeFox
That's pretty much what this all comes down to. You can "divide by zero" if you really want to, but only by changing what either "divide" means or what "zero" means.
u/TheNextUnicornAlong
Almost every 'proof' that 1=2 that I've seen relies somewhere on a hidden divide-by-zero
u/i_feel_harassed
Well you might have seen the following proof of why 0 has no multiplicative inverse in the reals:
Suppose 0x = 1
Then (0 + 0)x = 1 (additive identity)
But (0 + 0)x = 0x + 0x = 1 + 1 (dis
u/platoprime
What does field mean in this context? A value for every point in a coordinate system doesn't seem to be what you're talking about.
u/TheNextUnicornAlong
Almost every 'proof' that 1=2 that I've seen relies somewhere on a hidden divide-by-zero
u/Redingold
A field is a collection of *things* where there is some notion of adding, subtracting, multiplying, and dividing the things, and where these operations behave, loosely speaking, in the same w
u/alyssasaccount
One answer here suggested you are thinking of a vector field. I think that's wrong: You're using the term "field" to mean something that it often means in physics — for example, quantum field
u/jyordy13
As long as you require an additive identity and distributivity of multiplication, you must have this exception for 0. Notice that in any field F, for all x in F we have 0x=(0+0)x = 0x+0x impl
u/rr1pp3rr
I think in terms of computational devices the divide by zero error is simply a useful behavior. You can model infinity in software as a symbol, but it's rarely useful for real world purposes,
u/caifaisai
>Honestly, you could say the same about infinity. It kind of shares similar principles in weirdness with math.
Kind of I suppose. But a major difference is that 0 is an element of any fie
u/RagnarokAeon
Honestly, you could say the same about infinity. It kind of shares similar principles in weirdness with math. Interestingly enough, depending on how you view it, it dividing by zero is comput
u/proudHaskeller
Small correction: this **proves** that no structure with division by zero can be a field.
u/RagnarokAeon
Honestly, you could say the same about infinity. It kind of shares similar principles in weirdness with math. Interestingly enough, depending on how you view it, it dividing by zero is comput
u/davideogameman
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_theory
Based on this it's like a field but with monoids for addition and multiplication so there are not always additive and multiplicative inverses, s
u/kudlitan
In a field with a set and two operations, analogous to addition and multiplication, with the latter distributive over the former, we define a zero element to be the identity element for the a
u/jyordy13
As long as you require an additive identity and distributivity of multiplication, you must have this exception for 0. Notice that in any field F, for all x in F we have 0x=(0+0)x = 0x+0x impl
u/jyordy13
You can read about the algebraic structures called “fields” [here, under the header “Definition”.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_(mathematics)) Basically fields are sets of objects wh
u/alyssasaccount
One answer here suggested you are thinking of a vector field. I think that's wrong: You're using the term "field" to mean something that it often means in physics — for example, quantum field
u/HopeFox
That's pretty much what this all comes down to. You can "divide by zero" if you really want to, but only by changing what either "divide" means or what "zero" means.
u/jyordy13
As long as you require an additive identity and distributivity of multiplication, you must have this exception for 0. Notice that in any field F, for all x in F we have 0x=(0+0)x = 0x+0x impl
u/Redingold
A field is a collection of *things* where there is some notion of adding, subtracting, multiplying, and dividing the things, and where these operations behave, loosely speaking, in the same w
u/jyordy13
You can read about the algebraic structures called “fields” [here, under the header “Definition”.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_(mathematics)) Basically fields are sets of objects wh
u/kudlitan
In a field with a set and two operations, analogous to addition and multiplication, with the latter distributive over the former, we define a zero element to be the identity element for the a
u/Redingold
A field is a collection of *things* where there is some notion of adding, subtracting, multiplying, and dividing the things, and where these operations behave, loosely speaking, in the same w
u/RagnarokAeon
Honestly, you could say the same about infinity. It kind of shares similar principles in weirdness with math. Interestingly enough, depending on how you view it, it dividing by zero is comput
u/DanielMcLaury
>why it’s not possible to construct a set (or is it?) that satisfies all the field axioms but without the exception to the rule that all elements have a multiplicative inverse excluding th
u/i_feel_harassed
Well you might have seen the following proof of why 0 has no multiplicative inverse in the reals:
Suppose 0x = 1
Then (0 + 0)x = 1 (additive identity)
But (0 + 0)x = 0x + 0x = 1 + 1 (dis
u/DanielMcLaury
>why it’s not possible to construct a set (or is it?) that satisfies all the field axioms but without the exception to the rule that all elements have a multiplicative inverse excluding th
u/zefciu
There exist algebraic structures that support zero division. They are called wheels. They are not fields by definition, but they can be consistently defined. The problem is, that as u/stumble
u/Mimshot
Initeresting. Which field axiom(s) do wheels violate?
u/caifaisai
>Honestly, you could say the same about infinity. It kind of shares similar principles in weirdness with math.
Kind of I suppose. But a major difference is that 0 is an element of any fie
u/caifaisai
>Honestly, you could say the same about infinity. It kind of shares similar principles in weirdness with math.
Kind of I suppose. But a major difference is that 0 is an element of any fie
u/jyordy13
You can read about the algebraic structures called “fields” [here, under the header “Definition”.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_(mathematics)) Basically fields are sets of objects wh
u/caifaisai
>Honestly, you could say the same about infinity. It kind of shares similar principles in weirdness with math.
Kind of I suppose. But a major difference is that 0 is an element of any fie
u/Mimshot
Initeresting. Which field axiom(s) do wheels violate?
u/mfukar
The definition of a field is that it is a commutative ring where 0 ≠ 1 and all nonzero elements are invertible under multiplication. In wheels 0×x≠0 in the general case and x/x≠1 in the gener
u/Redingold
A field is a collection of *things* where there is some notion of adding, subtracting, multiplying, and dividing the things, and where these operations behave, loosely speaking, in the same w
u/jyordy13
As long as you require an additive identity and distributivity of multiplication, you must have this exception for 0. Notice that in any field F, for all x in F we have 0x=(0+0)x = 0x+0x impl
u/caifaisai
>Honestly, you could say the same about infinity. It kind of shares similar principles in weirdness with math.
Kind of I suppose. But a major difference is that 0 is an element of any fie
u/HopeFox
That's pretty much what this all comes down to. You can "divide by zero" if you really want to, but only by changing what either "divide" means or what "zero" means.
u/platoprime
What does field mean in this context? A value for every point in a coordinate system doesn't seem to be what you're talking about.
u/jyordy13
As long as you require an additive identity and distributivity of multiplication, you must have this exception for 0. Notice that in any field F, for all x in F we have 0x=(0+0)x = 0x+0x impl
u/caifaisai
>Honestly, you could say the same about infinity. It kind of shares similar principles in weirdness with math.
Kind of I suppose. But a major difference is that 0 is an element of any fie
u/TheNextUnicornAlong
Almost every 'proof' that 1=2 that I've seen relies somewhere on a hidden divide-by-zero
u/Mimshot
Initeresting. Which field axiom(s) do wheels violate?
u/Redingold
A field is a collection of *things* where there is some notion of adding, subtracting, multiplying, and dividing the things, and where these operations behave, loosely speaking, in the same w
u/davideogameman
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_theory
Based on this it's like a field but with monoids for addition and multiplication so there are not always additive and multiplicative inverses, s
u/jyordy13
As long as you require an additive identity and distributivity of multiplication, you must have this exception for 0. Notice that in any field F, for all x in F we have 0x=(0+0)x = 0x+0x impl
u/i_feel_harassed
Well you might have seen the following proof of why 0 has no multiplicative inverse in the reals:
Suppose 0x = 1
Then (0 + 0)x = 1 (additive identity)
But (0 + 0)x = 0x + 0x = 1 + 1 (dis
u/Mimshot
Initeresting. Which field axiom(s) do wheels violate?
u/HopeFox
That's pretty much what this all comes down to. You can "divide by zero" if you really want to, but only by changing what either "divide" means or what "zero" means.
u/ragnaroksunset
So basically, you can divide by zero, but only at the cost of not actually doing what you wanted to do when you were inspired to divide by zero. :)
u/kudlitan
In a field with a set and two operations, analogous to addition and multiplication, with the latter distributive over the former, we define a zero element to be the identity element for the a
u/zefciu
There exist algebraic structures that support zero division. They are called wheels. They are not fields by definition, but they can be consistently defined. The problem is, that as u/stumble
u/jyordy13
As long as you require an additive identity and distributivity of multiplication, you must have this exception for 0. Notice that in any field F, for all x in F we have 0x=(0+0)x = 0x+0x impl
u/proudHaskeller
Small correction: this **proves** that no structure with division by zero can be a field.