Four-day workweek: A huge societal shift for new business models

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A new international study found that a four-day workweek with no loss of pay significantly improved worker well-being, including lower burnout rates, better mental health, and higher job sati

Posted by u/mvea•07/21/2025

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u/El_Gorgel

Not true. Also, not all bosses are evil billionaires, and not all businesses are huge faceless corporations. We have a small business with ca. 10 employees in construction management / arch

u/gortlank

And 7 days with the same efficiency as the 4 days is even more money!!! Why aren’t you all that efficient all of the time? It must be because workers are lazy thieves! We need to whip them e

u/9447044

Working less hours for the same pay also sounds like a pay raise. I haven't done the math, but I think everybody likes more money.

u/Yrths

Yes, and the article mentions perceived productivity, but the study didn't measure it, which it reduces its usefulness greatly. It is lacking the exercise's single most persuasive variable.

u/JanB1

What these studies do is called "gathering a mountain of evidence". It might be subjectively self evident, but you still need to support a feeling with numbers.

u/devnull791101

a 0 day work week with no loss of pay would make people even happier

u/Motorista_de_uber

People will be happy. At least until they find a second job to fill their new free time.

u/Shinagami091

Oh I can promise you at my job I’m productive the entire time. I work at a call center and that’s sort of the big thing with call center work is that you’re always in a productive state.

u/ssdd121

Thanks for the reply. Exactly what part are you disagreeing with in my statement? The companies chose their own way to reduce hours?

u/Shinagami091

Oh I can promise you at my job I’m productive the entire time. I work at a call center and that’s sort of the big thing with call center work is that you’re always in a productive state.

u/Siciliano777

Groundbreaking!! Who would have thought less work for the same pay and more time off to actually enjoy life would lead to less stress??? 😐

u/SleKel

Less work and more freetime earning the same money resulted in a better life. Groundbreaking

u/monsantobreath

But we've all worked jobs I think where the pay isn't worth the grind. Manager salary jobs especially. There's a point where more money isn't as attractive as more of your time back.

u/DrClownCar

Riddle me this: how will you boss people around if there aren't any people to boss around? The crisis in middle management: regaining the feeling of mattering in the world.

u/NegotiationNo7851

I’m pretty sure this is well known but I have yet to see any corporation care about their employees.

u/DrClownCar

Riddle me this: how will you boss people around if there aren't any people to boss around? The crisis in middle management: regaining the feeling of mattering in the world.

u/uberclops

But yea management is mostly based on perceived output of work, not actual work. 40 hours is more perceived value therefore that is the end of the argument from their perspective ☹️

u/meiguobisi

There are so many democratic countries in the world, why have I hardly heard of any country launching a vote on a four-day work week?

u/ssdd121

Shocking. Working less hours with the same pay results in life improvements.

u/InnerWrathChild

But does it generate the maximum profit/revenue for c suites folks and shareholders? Because that’s all they care about. Our wellbeing isn’t even in their top 10.

u/SleKel

Less work and more freetime earning the same money resulted in a better life. Groundbreaking

u/EkorrenHJ

I would much prefer more free time to more money, but I can't afford more free time.

u/DrClownCar

Yes, but even if you prove it boosts productivity and profits, many companies will still resist. Fewer office days mean less opportunity to *hover*, less chance to *monitor*, and worst of all

u/GooglyEyeBandit

what if your job is triage? like emergency room or repair shop?

u/EltaninAntenna

That makes intuitive sense, but it's probably the thing that needs to be conclusively backed up by evidence to sway the corporations.

u/meiguobisi

There are so many democratic countries in the world, why have I hardly heard of any country launching a vote on a four-day work week?

u/TraditionalBackspace

If you can prove to companies it will result in more profit, it will happen. Otherwise, it's a pipe dream. If it does, workers will give up things like medical insurance in exchange for one l

u/crossdtherubicon

As someone who worked a 4-day workweek for a few years, I'll chime in here with some general pros and cons. If you're doing a job that requires complex problem-solving, a creative/generative

u/Fangslash

"gathering a mountain of evidence" is for something that needs to be proven the thing that needs to be proven here is 4-day week is productive, not 4-day week makes people happy. True or not

u/Slorface

Doctor N.S. Sherlock, principal author.

u/ssdd121

Shocking. Working less hours with the same pay results in life improvements.

u/meiguobisi

There are so many democratic countries in the world, why have I hardly heard of any country launching a vote on a four-day work week?

u/SleKel

Less work and more freetime earning the same money resulted in a better life. Groundbreaking

u/Comfortable-Art-6096

How do we get this going in the US? I seriously can’t believe how behind we are with things like this. We work ourselves to literal death for what? To make the rich more rich? Like things are

u/monsantobreath

Even when it makes the boss more money. That to me is the most significant indictment of the system. Our bosses infer our happiness as a failure to squeeze the fruit down to the pulp enough.

u/El_Gorgel

this is an interesting question i actually never looked into. i did a short Chat GPT prompt for the situation in my country (Austria) regarding workforce distribution by size of business, nat

u/smurficus103

It would be nice to have the choice: 20% more money or 20% more time

u/sordidcandles

He got his degree from Water is Wet University.

u/El_Gorgel

Not true. Also, not all bosses are evil billionaires, and not all businesses are huge faceless corporations. We have a small business with ca. 10 employees in construction management / arch

u/crossdtherubicon

As someone who worked a 4-day workweek for a few years, I'll chime in here with some general pros and cons. If you're doing a job that requires complex problem-solving, a creative/generative

u/Few-Improvement-5655

Productivity usually goes up. People who are well rested and happy are more likely to go that extra mile to get work done knowing that once it's done they get a decent break.

u/Guenhwyvyr

Yeah... we will get that from the cold, de@d hands of the elite class. It is serfdom all over again! The world is run by corporate kings, and their kingdoms have no borders and penetrate ever

u/No_Edge_7964

Okay but how did it impact on shareholder value creation and quarterly earnings? 🤔🤔🤔

u/Comfortable-Art-6096

How do we get this going in the US? I seriously can’t believe how behind we are with things like this. We work ourselves to literal death for what? To make the rich more rich? Like things are

u/monsantobreath

Because our democracies are overrated in the democratic component. And political democracy but not economic democracy doesn't allow you to vote on such things easily. Economic power is polit

u/gortlank

And 7 days with the same efficiency as the 4 days is even more money!!! Why aren’t you all that efficient all of the time? It must be because workers are lazy thieves! We need to whip them e

u/Polaroid1793

With more free time we would start to realise more what's happening in the world. They don't want that.

u/ssdd121

Thanks for the reply. Exactly what part are you disagreeing with in my statement? The companies chose their own way to reduce hours?

u/Mereinid

Hell yes it does. 4/10 Is the absolute best. Every Sat-Mon or Friday-Sun off.

u/Siciliano777

Groundbreaking!! Who would have thought less work for the same pay and more time off to actually enjoy life would lead to less stress??? 😐

u/ChocolateGoggles

I can't access neither the nature nor the newatlas paper.

u/No_Edge_7964

Okay but how did it impact on shareholder value creation and quarterly earnings? 🤔🤔🤔

u/smurficus103

It would be nice to have the choice: 20% more money or 20% more time

u/monsantobreath

But we've all worked jobs I think where the pay isn't worth the grind. Manager salary jobs especially. There's a point where more money isn't as attractive as more of your time back.

u/handtoglandwombat

What a waste of time. The only study worth performing on this topic is whether or not it also increases productivity, because that’s the only way to align interests and get employers on boa

u/Ignition0

If you think that are more evil that greedy you are wrong. All investors want is Money, they don't care if it's done with 4 days a week or 7 days a week. If 4 days a week worked it

u/Mundane-Raspberry963

One solution to AI would definitely be to strictly enforce a 4 day work week. The labor surplus would get fixed immediately.

u/No_Edge_7964

Okay but how did it impact on shareholder value creation and quarterly earnings? 🤔🤔🤔

u/Cross_22

Just imagine how much better they'd feel with a 0 day work week while getting paid!

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/mvea: --- **A new international study found that a four-day workweek with no loss of pay significantly improved worker well-being, in

u/monsantobreath

But we've all worked jobs I think where the pay isn't worth the grind. Manager salary jobs especially. There's a point where more money isn't as attractive as more of your time back.

u/Motorista_de_uber

People will be happy. At least until they find a second job to fill their new free time.

u/El_Gorgel

Not true. Also, not all bosses are evil billionaires, and not all businesses are huge faceless corporations. We have a small business with ca. 10 employees in construction management / arch

u/mvea

**A new international study found that a four-day workweek with no loss of pay significantly improved worker well-being, including lower burnout rates, better mental health, and higher job

u/Shinagami091

Spoiler alert: Most American companies don’t really care about any of that. They would rather work you to the bone for as long as they can until you either quit or they have no use for you an

u/ssdd121

Thanks for the reply. Exactly what part are you disagreeing with in my statement? The companies chose their own way to reduce hours?

u/conn_r2112

Wow! Really?!?!? Paying people the same amount to work less makes them more content? Color me shocked!! Definitely needed a study to tell me that one

u/Comfortable-Art-6096

How do we get this going in the US? I seriously can’t believe how behind we are with things like this. We work ourselves to literal death for what? To make the rich more rich? Like things are

u/No_Edge_7964

Okay but how did it impact on shareholder value creation and quarterly earnings? 🤔🤔🤔

u/Super_Mario_Luigi

Study: "Do you want to work less and receive the same pay? Yes, yes I do." Science confirmed Just a new political carrot to dangle that will never work. Most people who support this are onl

u/Disastrous-Form-3613

Rotfl, I bet 1-day workweek with no loss of pay is even better!

u/Slorface

Doctor N.S. Sherlock, principal author.

u/El_Gorgel

this is an interesting question i actually never looked into. i did a short Chat GPT prompt for the situation in my country (Austria) regarding workforce distribution by size of business, nat

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u/El_Gorgel

Not true. Also, not all bosses are evil billionaires, and not all businesses are huge faceless corporations. We have a small business with ca. 10 employees in construction management / arch

u/Disastrous-Form-3613

Rotfl, I bet 1-day workweek with no loss of pay is even better!

u/Fark_ID

Thats so sweet! They think burnout is bug, not a feature! How else can you keep hiring cheaper labor?

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u/gortlank

And 7 days with the same efficiency as the 4 days is even more money!!! Why aren’t you all that efficient all of the time? It must be because workers are lazy thieves! We need to whip them e

u/ssdd121

Shocking. Working less hours with the same pay results in life improvements.

u/Super_Mario_Luigi

Study: "Do you want to work less and receive the same pay? Yes, yes I do." Science confirmed Just a new political carrot to dangle that will never work. Most people who support this are onl

u/uberclops

But yea management is mostly based on perceived output of work, not actual work. 40 hours is more perceived value therefore that is the end of the argument from their perspective ☹️

u/InnerWrathChild

But does it generate the maximum profit/revenue for c suites folks and shareholders? Because that’s all they care about. Our wellbeing isn’t even in their top 10.

u/Shinagami091

Spoiler alert: Most American companies don’t really care about any of that. They would rather work you to the bone for as long as they can until you either quit or they have no use for you an

u/adobaloba

Still better than nothing, but real progress would be to actually work 20 hours/week and not sit around rather than 40 hours of half actual work, half pretending to work.

u/El_Gorgel

this is an interesting question i actually never looked into. i did a short Chat GPT prompt for the situation in my country (Austria) regarding workforce distribution by size of business, nat

u/iPunkt

The link to the article is broken for me

u/DrClownCar

Riddle me this: how will you boss people around if there aren't any people to boss around? The crisis in middle management: regaining the feeling of mattering in the world.

u/sordidcandles

He got his degree from Water is Wet University.

u/Maleficent-Solid9568

Keep the population declining guys!! More workers worse work conditions!!!! Remember we must join together not have kids!!!! Make enployers panicc

u/Shinagami091

Oh I can promise you at my job I’m productive the entire time. I work at a call center and that’s sort of the big thing with call center work is that you’re always in a productive state.

u/No_Edge_7964

Okay but how did it impact on shareholder value creation and quarterly earnings? 🤔🤔🤔

u/Few-Improvement-5655

Productivity usually goes up. People who are well rested and happy are more likely to go that extra mile to get work done knowing that once it's done they get a decent break.

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Study published in the Journal of Self-Evidently Obvious Conclusions.

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/mvea: --- **A new international study found that a four-day workweek with no loss of pay significantly improved worker well-being, in

u/TraditionalBackspace

If you can prove to companies it will result in more profit, it will happen. Otherwise, it's a pipe dream. If it does, workers will give up things like medical insurance in exchange for one l

u/Few-Improvement-5655

Productivity usually goes up. People who are well rested and happy are more likely to go that extra mile to get work done knowing that once it's done they get a decent break.

u/Fangslash

you don't need a professor doing a study to know that more free time makes people happy these useless articles only serves to dilute the true value of 4-day work week, which is in many cases

u/monsantobreath

Even when it makes the boss more money. That to me is the most significant indictment of the system. Our bosses infer our happiness as a failure to squeeze the fruit down to the pulp enough.

u/Motorista_de_uber

People will be happy. At least until they find a second job to fill their new free time.

u/mvea

**A new international study found that a four-day workweek with no loss of pay significantly improved worker well-being, including lower burnout rates, better mental health, and higher job

u/Few-Improvement-5655

I think there have been studies. But more studies are always helpful. Still, we know it's not just about productivity. Many companies hate the idea that people aren't working for them 24/7 a

u/Few-Improvement-5655

Productivity usually goes up. People who are well rested and happy are more likely to go that extra mile to get work done knowing that once it's done they get a decent break.

u/Yrths

Yes, and the article mentions perceived productivity, but the study didn't measure it, which it reduces its usefulness greatly. It is lacking the exercise's single most persuasive variable.

u/Ignition0

If you think that are more evil that greedy you are wrong. All investors want is Money, they don't care if it's done with 4 days a week or 7 days a week. If 4 days a week worked it

u/Polaroid1793

With more free time we would start to realise more what's happening in the world. They don't want that.

u/monsantobreath

But we've all worked jobs I think where the pay isn't worth the grind. Manager salary jobs especially. There's a point where more money isn't as attractive as more of your time back.

u/Polaroid1793

For small firms maybe, I don't doubt your good intentions. For large firms, which employ the majority of people, completely different matter.

u/Fangslash

"gathering a mountain of evidence" is for something that needs to be proven the thing that needs to be proven here is 4-day week is productive, not 4-day week makes people happy. True or not

u/Siciliano777

Groundbreaking!! Who would have thought less work for the same pay and more time off to actually enjoy life would lead to less stress??? 😐

u/Mundane-Raspberry963

One solution to AI would definitely be to strictly enforce a 4 day work week. The labor surplus would get fixed immediately.

u/mvea

**A new international study found that a four-day workweek with no loss of pay significantly improved worker well-being, including lower burnout rates, better mental health, and higher job

u/ptcounterpt

I have worked 4 ten hour day weeks. It was the happiest place I’ve ever worked.

u/Shinagami091

Oh I can promise you at my job I’m productive the entire time. I work at a call center and that’s sort of the big thing with call center work is that you’re always in a productive state.

u/kyleh0

I've got a study right here that says that the people with money don't give a fuck. Apparently it's pretty accurate.

u/Mundane-Raspberry963

One solution to AI would definitely be to strictly enforce a 4 day work week. The labor surplus would get fixed immediately.

u/Ignition0

If you think that are more evil that greedy you are wrong. All investors want is Money, they don't care if it's done with 4 days a week or 7 days a week. If 4 days a week worked it

u/StealthFocus

A professor? You mean the Teaching and Research assistant, professors are checked out

u/KanedaSyndrome

What did it say about productivity though? That's really the only thing that matters

u/EkorrenHJ

I would much prefer more free time to more money, but I can't afford more free time.

u/tomtttttttttttt

The latter does have utlity: better staff morale -> lower turnover of staff and reduced sickness days -> (a) lower recruitment costs and (b) improvements in productivity as you have mo

u/Siciliano777

Groundbreaking!! Who would have thought less work for the same pay and more time off to actually enjoy life would lead to less stress??? 😐

u/Few-Improvement-5655

I think there have been studies. But more studies are always helpful. Still, we know it's not just about productivity. Many companies hate the idea that people aren't working for them 24/7 a

u/Dziadzios

Too bad they don't care about employees, but only about numbers going up.

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u/Revolutionary-Bag-52

I mean its also slowly moving and trying things out for companies and government to see if it actually holds. In the Netherlands, for example, 36-hour work weeks are slowly becoming the stand

u/No_Edge_7964

Okay but how did it impact on shareholder value creation and quarterly earnings? 🤔🤔🤔

u/devnull791101

a 0 day work week with no loss of pay would make people even happier

u/crossdtherubicon

As someone who worked a 4-day workweek for a few years, I'll chime in here with some general pros and cons. If you're doing a job that requires complex problem-solving, a creative/generative

u/KanedaSyndrome

What did it say about productivity though? That's really the only thing that matters

u/mvea

**A new international study found that a four-day workweek with no loss of pay significantly improved worker well-being, including lower burnout rates, better mental health, and higher job

u/No_Edge_7964

Okay but how did it impact on shareholder value creation and quarterly earnings? 🤔🤔🤔

u/Mereinid

Hell yes it does. 4/10 Is the absolute best. Every Sat-Mon or Friday-Sun off.

u/Z3r0sama2017

Bosses:"We don't like this. Go fuck yourselves." *cuts more staff so they can get their quarterly bonus* Seriously in theory, this sounds good. In practice with the demographic crisis a

u/Shinagami091

Spoiler alert: Most American companies don’t really care about any of that. They would rather work you to the bone for as long as they can until you either quit or they have no use for you an

u/devnull791101

a 0 day work week with no loss of pay would make people even happier

u/mvea

**A new international study found that a four-day workweek with no loss of pay significantly improved worker well-being, including lower burnout rates, better mental health, and higher job

u/sordidcandles

He got his degree from Water is Wet University.

u/StealthFocus

A professor? You mean the Teaching and Research assistant, professors are checked out

u/BeBopRockSteadyLS

Retirement on full pay is obviously the ultimate solution for companies seeking big gains

u/9447044

Working less hours for the same pay also sounds like a pay raise. I haven't done the math, but I think everybody likes more money.

u/RostyC

But that only makes sense if the company gives a shit about their employees. SO that's like 95% out the window.

u/mvea

**A new international study found that a four-day workweek with no loss of pay significantly improved worker well-being, including lower burnout rates, better mental health, and higher job

u/Mundane-Raspberry963

One solution to AI would definitely be to strictly enforce a 4 day work week. The labor surplus would get fixed immediately.

u/monsantobreath

But we've all worked jobs I think where the pay isn't worth the grind. Manager salary jobs especially. There's a point where more money isn't as attractive as more of your time back.

u/El_Gorgel

Not true. Also, not all bosses are evil billionaires, and not all businesses are huge faceless corporations. We have a small business with ca. 10 employees in construction management / arch

u/gortlank

And 7 days with the same efficiency as the 4 days is even more money!!! Why aren’t you all that efficient all of the time? It must be because workers are lazy thieves! We need to whip them e

u/[deleted]

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u/uberclops

But yea management is mostly based on perceived output of work, not actual work. 40 hours is more perceived value therefore that is the end of the argument from their perspective ☹️

u/iPunkt

The link to the article is broken for me

u/Revolutionary-Bag-52

I mean its also slowly moving and trying things out for companies and government to see if it actually holds. In the Netherlands, for example, 36-hour work weeks are slowly becoming the stand

u/DrClownCar

Yes, but even if you prove it boosts productivity and profits, many companies will still resist. Fewer office days mean less opportunity to *hover*, less chance to *monitor*, and worst of all

u/monsantobreath

It also shows how self cannibalizing the system is. People with free time could start businesses, invent stuff, create stuff, move to new places with less concern of losing their work life ba

u/monsantobreath

Even when it makes the boss more money. That to me is the most significant indictment of the system. Our bosses infer our happiness as a failure to squeeze the fruit down to the pulp enough.

u/DrClownCar

Yes, but even if you prove it boosts productivity and profits, many companies will still resist. Fewer office days mean less opportunity to *hover*, less chance to *monitor*, and worst of all

u/JanB1

What these studies do is called "gathering a mountain of evidence". It might be subjectively self evident, but you still need to support a feeling with numbers.

u/BeBopRockSteadyLS

Retirement on full pay is obviously the ultimate solution for companies seeking big gains

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Study published in the Journal of Self-Evidently Obvious Conclusions.

u/mangopanic

Your faith in market efficiency is admirable when we have plenty of evidence that people in power protect their own privilege above everything. Slaveholders literally fought a war to protect

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u/ptcounterpt

I have worked 4 ten hour day weeks. It was the happiest place I’ve ever worked.

u/Super_Mario_Luigi

Study: "Do you want to work less and receive the same pay? Yes, yes I do." Science confirmed Just a new political carrot to dangle that will never work. Most people who support this are onl

u/Z3r0sama2017

Bosses:"We don't like this. Go fuck yourselves." *cuts more staff so they can get their quarterly bonus* Seriously in theory, this sounds good. In practice with the demographic crisis a

u/gortlank

And 7 days with the same efficiency as the 4 days is even more money!!! Why aren’t you all that efficient all of the time? It must be because workers are lazy thieves! We need to whip them e

u/JellyKeyboard

Articles like this really just hit a nerve, can we please actually start making this happen? Like where are these jobs, who are the employers doing this and are they hiring? I feel like I’m s

u/MarcMurray92

Because we live under capitalism and billionaires ruin various aspects of our lives every day without a second thought since they are isolated from all consequences via paying off politicians

u/Slorface

Doctor N.S. Sherlock, principal author.

u/ChocolateGoggles

I can't access neither the nature nor the newatlas paper.

u/Few-Improvement-5655

I think there have been studies. But more studies are always helpful. Still, we know it's not just about productivity. Many companies hate the idea that people aren't working for them 24/7 a

u/EkorrenHJ

I would much prefer more free time to more money, but I can't afford more free time.

u/EkorrenHJ

I would much prefer more free time to more money, but I can't afford more free time.

u/ptcounterpt

I have worked 4 ten hour day weeks. It was the happiest place I’ve ever worked.

u/Mereinid

Hell yes it does. 4/10 Is the absolute best. Every Sat-Mon or Friday-Sun off.

u/WalkFreeeee

Because It's very easy to trick large swaths of the population into believing this is Impossible to do without lowering salaries / ruining the economy

u/Polaroid1793

The problem is that employee's wellbeing is a metric no one cares about.

u/WalkFreeeee

Because It's very easy to trick large swaths of the population into believing this is Impossible to do without lowering salaries / ruining the economy

u/Dziadzios

Too bad they don't care about employees, but only about numbers going up.

u/KoolKat5000

Nah time is way more valuable than money

u/tomtttttttttttt

The latter does have utlity: better staff morale -> lower turnover of staff and reduced sickness days -> (a) lower recruitment costs and (b) improvements in productivity as you have mo

u/Revolutionary-Bag-52

I mean its also slowly moving and trying things out for companies and government to see if it actually holds. In the Netherlands, for example, 36-hour work weeks are slowly becoming the stand

u/ptcounterpt

I have worked 4 ten hour day weeks. It was the happiest place I’ve ever worked.

u/BennySkateboard

4 cool marketing agencies will do it, everyone else will probably have to go fuck themselves. I hate the world atm and have no faith in anyone in power doing anything beneficial for the peopl

u/StealthFocus

A professor? You mean the Teaching and Research assistant, professors are checked out

u/Few-Improvement-5655

Productivity usually goes up. People who are well rested and happy are more likely to go that extra mile to get work done knowing that once it's done they get a decent break.

u/Comfortable-Art-6096

How do we get this going in the US? I seriously can’t believe how behind we are with things like this. We work ourselves to literal death for what? To make the rich more rich? Like things are

u/Shinagami091

Oh I can promise you at my job I’m productive the entire time. I work at a call center and that’s sort of the big thing with call center work is that you’re always in a productive state.

u/SleKel

Less work and more freetime earning the same money resulted in a better life. Groundbreaking

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/mvea: --- **A new international study found that a four-day workweek with no loss of pay significantly improved worker well-being, in

u/Z3r0sama2017

Bosses:"We don't like this. Go fuck yourselves." *cuts more staff so they can get their quarterly bonus* Seriously in theory, this sounds good. In practice with the demographic crisis a

u/Shinagami091

Spoiler alert: Most American companies don’t really care about any of that. They would rather work you to the bone for as long as they can until you either quit or they have no use for you an

u/Revolutionary-Bag-52

I mean its also slowly moving and trying things out for companies and government to see if it actually holds. In the Netherlands, for example, 36-hour work weeks are slowly becoming the stand

u/ChocolateGoggles

I can't access neither the nature nor the newatlas paper.

u/conn_r2112

Wow! Really?!?!? Paying people the same amount to work less makes them more content? Color me shocked!! Definitely needed a study to tell me that one

u/monsantobreath

But we've all worked jobs I think where the pay isn't worth the grind. Manager salary jobs especially. There's a point where more money isn't as attractive as more of your time back.

u/Yrths

Yes, and the article mentions perceived productivity, but the study didn't measure it, which it reduces its usefulness greatly. It is lacking the exercise's single most persuasive variable.

u/Fangslash

"gathering a mountain of evidence" is for something that needs to be proven the thing that needs to be proven here is 4-day week is productive, not 4-day week makes people happy. True or not

u/ChocolateGoggles

I can't access neither the nature nor the newatlas paper.

u/ssdd121

Shocking. Working less hours with the same pay results in life improvements.

u/CuckBuster33

Number would still go up but they're too stupid or cruel to care

u/crossdtherubicon

As someone who worked a 4-day workweek for a few years, I'll chime in here with some general pros and cons. If you're doing a job that requires complex problem-solving, a creative/generative

u/kyleh0

I've got a study right here that says that the people with money don't give a fuck. Apparently it's pretty accurate.

u/MarcMurray92

Because we live under capitalism and billionaires ruin various aspects of our lives every day without a second thought since they are isolated from all consequences via paying off politicians

u/Polaroid1793

You are starting with 'not true', then saying 'true, we care about employee wellbeing but not enough to reduce profit'. Which is entirely the point.

u/Big_Crab_1510

We KNOW, they don't want us happy!! Happy people dont waste money on unnecessary and unhealthy stuff. God forbid we get to spend any time at home relaxing with our loved ones

u/TraditionalBackspace

If you can prove to companies it will result in more profit, it will happen. Otherwise, it's a pipe dream. If it does, workers will give up things like medical insurance in exchange for one l

u/JellyKeyboard

Articles like this really just hit a nerve, can we please actually start making this happen? Like where are these jobs, who are the employers doing this and are they hiring? I feel like I’m s

u/ptcounterpt

I have worked 4 ten hour day weeks. It was the happiest place I’ve ever worked.

u/MarcMurray92

Because we live under capitalism and billionaires ruin various aspects of our lives every day without a second thought since they are isolated from all consequences via paying off politicians

u/EltaninAntenna

That makes intuitive sense, but it's probably the thing that needs to be conclusively backed up by evidence to sway the corporations.

u/CuckBuster33

Number would still go up but they're too stupid or cruel to care

u/RostyC

But that only makes sense if the company gives a shit about their employees. SO that's like 95% out the window.

u/Maleficent-Solid9568

Keep the population declining guys!! More workers worse work conditions!!!! Remember we must join together not have kids!!!! Make enployers panicc

u/CuckBuster33

Number would still go up but they're too stupid or cruel to care

u/Disastrous-Form-3613

Rotfl, I bet 1-day workweek with no loss of pay is even better!

u/LoL_is_pepega_BIA

This is exactly why it will never become a reality. The ruling class do not want us to feel better about our lives. They want us to stay desperate and keep running the cockroach race so the

u/Polaroid1793

The problem is that employee's wellbeing is a metric no one cares about.

u/monsantobreath

Even when it makes the boss more money. That to me is the most significant indictment of the system. Our bosses infer our happiness as a failure to squeeze the fruit down to the pulp enough.

u/Guenhwyvyr

Yeah... we will get that from the cold, de@d hands of the elite class. It is serfdom all over again! The world is run by corporate kings, and their kingdoms have no borders and penetrate ever

u/EltaninAntenna

That makes intuitive sense, but it's probably the thing that needs to be conclusively backed up by evidence to sway the corporations.

u/ssdd121

Shocking. Working less hours with the same pay results in life improvements.

u/Revolutionary-Bag-52

I mean its also slowly moving and trying things out for companies and government to see if it actually holds. In the Netherlands, for example, 36-hour work weeks are slowly becoming the stand

u/monsantobreath

Because our democracies are overrated in the democratic component. And political democracy but not economic democracy doesn't allow you to vote on such things easily. Economic power is polit

u/TraditionalBackspace

If you can prove to companies it will result in more profit, it will happen. Otherwise, it's a pipe dream. If it does, workers will give up things like medical insurance in exchange for one l

u/Polaroid1793

You are starting with 'not true', then saying 'true, we care about employee wellbeing but not enough to reduce profit'. Which is entirely the point.

u/LoL_is_pepega_BIA

This is exactly why it will never become a reality. The ruling class do not want us to feel better about our lives. They want us to stay desperate and keep running the cockroach race so the

u/ptcounterpt

I have worked 4 ten hour day weeks. It was the happiest place I’ve ever worked.

u/Polaroid1793

For small firms maybe, I don't doubt your good intentions. For large firms, which employ the majority of people, completely different matter.

u/RostyC

But that only makes sense if the company gives a shit about their employees. SO that's like 95% out the window.

u/NegotiationNo7851

I’m pretty sure this is well known but I have yet to see any corporation care about their employees.

u/StealthFocus

A professor? You mean the Teaching and Research assistant, professors are checked out

u/Dziadzios

Too bad they don't care about employees, but only about numbers going up.

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/mvea: --- **A new international study found that a four-day workweek with no loss of pay significantly improved worker well-being, in

u/iPunkt

The link to the article is broken for me

u/Slorface

Doctor N.S. Sherlock, principal author.

u/uberclops

But yea management is mostly based on perceived output of work, not actual work. 40 hours is more perceived value therefore that is the end of the argument from their perspective ☹️

u/KoolKat5000

Nah time is way more valuable than money

u/BeBopRockSteadyLS

Retirement on full pay is obviously the ultimate solution for companies seeking big gains

u/Yrths

Yes, and the article mentions perceived productivity, but the study didn't measure it, which it reduces its usefulness greatly. It is lacking the exercise's single most persuasive variable.

u/mangopanic

Your faith in market efficiency is admirable when we have plenty of evidence that people in power protect their own privilege above everything. Slaveholders literally fought a war to protect

u/ssdd121

Shocking. Working less hours with the same pay results in life improvements.

u/Polaroid1793

You are starting with 'not true', then saying 'true, we care about employee wellbeing but not enough to reduce profit'. Which is entirely the point.

u/NegotiationNo7851

I’m pretty sure this is well known but I have yet to see any corporation care about their employees.

u/conn_r2112

Wow! Really?!?!? Paying people the same amount to work less makes them more content? Color me shocked!! Definitely needed a study to tell me that one

u/EltaninAntenna

That makes intuitive sense, but it's probably the thing that needs to be conclusively backed up by evidence to sway the corporations.

u/Dziadzios

Too bad they don't care about employees, but only about numbers going up.

u/Dziadzios

Too bad they don't care about employees, but only about numbers going up.

u/Fangslash

"gathering a mountain of evidence" is for something that needs to be proven the thing that needs to be proven here is 4-day week is productive, not 4-day week makes people happy. True or not

u/LoL_is_pepega_BIA

This is exactly why it will never become a reality. The ruling class do not want us to feel better about our lives. They want us to stay desperate and keep running the cockroach race so the

u/Fark_ID

Thats so sweet! They think burnout is bug, not a feature! How else can you keep hiring cheaper labor?

u/DrClownCar

Yes, but even if you prove it boosts productivity and profits, many companies will still resist. Fewer office days mean less opportunity to *hover*, less chance to *monitor*, and worst of all

u/Few-Improvement-5655

Productivity usually goes up. People who are well rested and happy are more likely to go that extra mile to get work done knowing that once it's done they get a decent break.

u/Polaroid1793

The problem is that employee's wellbeing is a metric no one cares about.

u/DrClownCar

Riddle me this: how will you boss people around if there aren't any people to boss around? The crisis in middle management: regaining the feeling of mattering in the world.

u/Mereinid

Hell yes it does. 4/10 Is the absolute best. Every Sat-Mon or Friday-Sun off.

u/Polaroid1793

The problem is that employee's wellbeing is a metric no one cares about.

u/Mundane-Raspberry963

One solution to AI would definitely be to strictly enforce a 4 day work week. The labor surplus would get fixed immediately.

u/RostyC

But that only makes sense if the company gives a shit about their employees. SO that's like 95% out the window.

u/adobaloba

Still better than nothing, but real progress would be to actually work 20 hours/week and not sit around rather than 40 hours of half actual work, half pretending to work.

u/Comfortable-Art-6096

How do we get this going in the US? I seriously can’t believe how behind we are with things like this. We work ourselves to literal death for what? To make the rich more rich? Like things are

u/tomtttttttttttt

The latter does have utlity: better staff morale -> lower turnover of staff and reduced sickness days -> (a) lower recruitment costs and (b) improvements in productivity as you have mo

u/BennySkateboard

4 cool marketing agencies will do it, everyone else will probably have to go fuck themselves. I hate the world atm and have no faith in anyone in power doing anything beneficial for the peopl

u/handtoglandwombat

What a waste of time. The only study worth performing on this topic is whether or not it also increases productivity, because that’s the only way to align interests and get employers on boa

u/LoL_is_pepega_BIA

This is exactly why it will never become a reality. The ruling class do not want us to feel better about our lives. They want us to stay desperate and keep running the cockroach race so the

u/Revolutionary-Bag-52

I mean its also slowly moving and trying things out for companies and government to see if it actually holds. In the Netherlands, for example, 36-hour work weeks are slowly becoming the stand

u/handtoglandwombat

What a waste of time. The only study worth performing on this topic is whether or not it also increases productivity, because that’s the only way to align interests and get employers on boa

u/Few-Improvement-5655

Productivity usually goes up. People who are well rested and happy are more likely to go that extra mile to get work done knowing that once it's done they get a decent break.

u/Maleficent-Solid9568

Keep the population declining guys!! More workers worse work conditions!!!! Remember we must join together not have kids!!!! Make enployers panicc

u/Yrths

Yes, and the article mentions perceived productivity, but the study didn't measure it, which it reduces its usefulness greatly. It is lacking the exercise's single most persuasive variable.

u/MarcMurray92

Because we live under capitalism and billionaires ruin various aspects of our lives every day without a second thought since they are isolated from all consequences via paying off politicians

u/meiguobisi

There are so many democratic countries in the world, why have I hardly heard of any country launching a vote on a four-day work week?

u/gortlank

And 7 days with the same efficiency as the 4 days is even more money!!! Why aren’t you all that efficient all of the time? It must be because workers are lazy thieves! We need to whip them e

u/Few-Improvement-5655

Productivity usually goes up. People who are well rested and happy are more likely to go that extra mile to get work done knowing that once it's done they get a decent break.

u/Motorista_de_uber

People will be happy. At least until they find a second job to fill their new free time.

u/Fangslash

you don't need a professor doing a study to know that more free time makes people happy these useless articles only serves to dilute the true value of 4-day work week, which is in many cases

u/monsantobreath

Because our democracies are overrated in the democratic component. And political democracy but not economic democracy doesn't allow you to vote on such things easily. Economic power is polit

u/[deleted]

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u/LoL_is_pepega_BIA

This is exactly why it will never become a reality. The ruling class do not want us to feel better about our lives. They want us to stay desperate and keep running the cockroach race so the

u/monsantobreath

Even when it makes the boss more money. That to me is the most significant indictment of the system. Our bosses infer our happiness as a failure to squeeze the fruit down to the pulp enough.

u/handtoglandwombat

What a waste of time. The only study worth performing on this topic is whether or not it also increases productivity, because that’s the only way to align interests and get employers on boa

u/TraditionalBackspace

If you can prove to companies it will result in more profit, it will happen. Otherwise, it's a pipe dream. If it does, workers will give up things like medical insurance in exchange for one l

u/Slorface

Doctor N.S. Sherlock, principal author.

u/MarcMurray92

Because we live under capitalism and billionaires ruin various aspects of our lives every day without a second thought since they are isolated from all consequences via paying off politicians

u/Big_Crab_1510

We KNOW, they don't want us happy!! Happy people dont waste money on unnecessary and unhealthy stuff. God forbid we get to spend any time at home relaxing with our loved ones

u/Z3r0sama2017

Bosses:"We don't like this. Go fuck yourselves." *cuts more staff so they can get their quarterly bonus* Seriously in theory, this sounds good. In practice with the demographic crisis a

u/StealthFocus

A professor? You mean the Teaching and Research assistant, professors are checked out

u/InnerWrathChild

But does it generate the maximum profit/revenue for c suites folks and shareholders? Because that’s all they care about. Our wellbeing isn’t even in their top 10.

u/crossdtherubicon

As someone who worked a 4-day workweek for a few years, I'll chime in here with some general pros and cons. If you're doing a job that requires complex problem-solving, a creative/generative

u/Polaroid1793

With more free time we would start to realise more what's happening in the world. They don't want that.

u/Maleficent-Solid9568

Keep the population declining guys!! More workers worse work conditions!!!! Remember we must join together not have kids!!!! Make enployers panicc

u/iPunkt

The link to the article is broken for me

u/Shinagami091

Oh I can promise you at my job I’m productive the entire time. I work at a call center and that’s sort of the big thing with call center work is that you’re always in a productive state.

u/monsantobreath

But we've all worked jobs I think where the pay isn't worth the grind. Manager salary jobs especially. There's a point where more money isn't as attractive as more of your time back.

u/Siciliano777

Groundbreaking!! Who would have thought less work for the same pay and more time off to actually enjoy life would lead to less stress??? 😐

u/DrClownCar

Yes, but even if you prove it boosts productivity and profits, many companies will still resist. Fewer office days mean less opportunity to *hover*, less chance to *monitor*, and worst of all

u/Motorista_de_uber

People will be happy. At least until they find a second job to fill their new free time.

u/Fangslash

"gathering a mountain of evidence" is for something that needs to be proven the thing that needs to be proven here is 4-day week is productive, not 4-day week makes people happy. True or not

u/KoolKat5000

Nah time is way more valuable than money

u/conn_r2112

Wow! Really?!?!? Paying people the same amount to work less makes them more content? Color me shocked!! Definitely needed a study to tell me that one

u/El_Gorgel

Not true. Also, not all bosses are evil billionaires, and not all businesses are huge faceless corporations. We have a small business with ca. 10 employees in construction management / arch

u/Fark_ID

Thats so sweet! They think burnout is bug, not a feature! How else can you keep hiring cheaper labor?

u/handtoglandwombat

What a waste of time. The only study worth performing on this topic is whether or not it also increases productivity, because that’s the only way to align interests and get employers on boa

u/uberclops

But yea management is mostly based on perceived output of work, not actual work. 40 hours is more perceived value therefore that is the end of the argument from their perspective ☹️

u/EltaninAntenna

That makes intuitive sense, but it's probably the thing that needs to be conclusively backed up by evidence to sway the corporations.

u/Fangslash

"gathering a mountain of evidence" is for something that needs to be proven the thing that needs to be proven here is 4-day week is productive, not 4-day week makes people happy. True or not

u/Fangslash

you don't need a professor doing a study to know that more free time makes people happy these useless articles only serves to dilute the true value of 4-day work week, which is in many cases

u/GooglyEyeBandit

what if your job is triage? like emergency room or repair shop?

u/Dziadzios

Too bad they don't care about employees, but only about numbers going up.

u/Shinagami091

Spoiler alert: Most American companies don’t really care about any of that. They would rather work you to the bone for as long as they can until you either quit or they have no use for you an

u/kyleh0

I've got a study right here that says that the people with money don't give a fuck. Apparently it's pretty accurate.

u/GooglyEyeBandit

what if your job is triage? like emergency room or repair shop?

u/Ignition0

If you think that are more evil that greedy you are wrong. All investors want is Money, they don't care if it's done with 4 days a week or 7 days a week. If 4 days a week worked it

u/monsantobreath

It also shows how self cannibalizing the system is. People with free time could start businesses, invent stuff, create stuff, move to new places with less concern of losing their work life ba

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Study published in the Journal of Self-Evidently Obvious Conclusions.

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Study published in the Journal of Self-Evidently Obvious Conclusions.

u/kyleh0

I've got a study right here that says that the people with money don't give a fuck. Apparently it's pretty accurate.

u/adobaloba

Still better than nothing, but real progress would be to actually work 20 hours/week and not sit around rather than 40 hours of half actual work, half pretending to work.

u/devnull791101

a 0 day work week with no loss of pay would make people even happier

u/Fark_ID

Thats so sweet! They think burnout is bug, not a feature! How else can you keep hiring cheaper labor?

u/meiguobisi

There are so many democratic countries in the world, why have I hardly heard of any country launching a vote on a four-day work week?

u/ssdd121

Thanks for the reply. Exactly what part are you disagreeing with in my statement? The companies chose their own way to reduce hours?

u/Motorista_de_uber

People will be happy. At least until they find a second job to fill their new free time.

u/KanedaSyndrome

What did it say about productivity though? That's really the only thing that matters

u/Big_Crab_1510

We KNOW, they don't want us happy!! Happy people dont waste money on unnecessary and unhealthy stuff. God forbid we get to spend any time at home relaxing with our loved ones

u/monsantobreath

But we've all worked jobs I think where the pay isn't worth the grind. Manager salary jobs especially. There's a point where more money isn't as attractive as more of your time back.

u/monsantobreath

But we've all worked jobs I think where the pay isn't worth the grind. Manager salary jobs especially. There's a point where more money isn't as attractive as more of your time back.

u/Cross_22

Just imagine how much better they'd feel with a 0 day work week while getting paid!

u/devnull791101

a 0 day work week with no loss of pay would make people even happier

u/Fangslash

you don't need a professor doing a study to know that more free time makes people happy these useless articles only serves to dilute the true value of 4-day work week, which is in many cases

u/DrClownCar

Riddle me this: how will you boss people around if there aren't any people to boss around? The crisis in middle management: regaining the feeling of mattering in the world.

u/Few-Improvement-5655

I think there have been studies. But more studies are always helpful. Still, we know it's not just about productivity. Many companies hate the idea that people aren't working for them 24/7 a

u/KanedaSyndrome

What did it say about productivity though? That's really the only thing that matters

u/crossdtherubicon

As someone who worked a 4-day workweek for a few years, I'll chime in here with some general pros and cons. If you're doing a job that requires complex problem-solving, a creative/generative

u/Polaroid1793

For small firms maybe, I don't doubt your good intentions. For large firms, which employ the majority of people, completely different matter.

u/MarcMurray92

Because we live under capitalism and billionaires ruin various aspects of our lives every day without a second thought since they are isolated from all consequences via paying off politicians

u/9447044

Working less hours for the same pay also sounds like a pay raise. I haven't done the math, but I think everybody likes more money.

u/Fangslash

you don't need a professor doing a study to know that more free time makes people happy these useless articles only serves to dilute the true value of 4-day work week, which is in many cases

u/LoL_is_pepega_BIA

This is exactly why it will never become a reality. The ruling class do not want us to feel better about our lives. They want us to stay desperate and keep running the cockroach race so the

u/KoolKat5000

Nah time is way more valuable than money

u/monsantobreath

It also shows how self cannibalizing the system is. People with free time could start businesses, invent stuff, create stuff, move to new places with less concern of losing their work life ba

u/DrClownCar

Riddle me this: how will you boss people around if there aren't any people to boss around? The crisis in middle management: regaining the feeling of mattering in the world.

u/RostyC

But that only makes sense if the company gives a shit about their employees. SO that's like 95% out the window.

u/NegotiationNo7851

I’m pretty sure this is well known but I have yet to see any corporation care about their employees.

u/Ignition0

If you think that are more evil that greedy you are wrong. All investors want is Money, they don't care if it's done with 4 days a week or 7 days a week. If 4 days a week worked it

u/JanB1

What these studies do is called "gathering a mountain of evidence". It might be subjectively self evident, but you still need to support a feeling with numbers.

u/GooglyEyeBandit

what if your job is triage? like emergency room or repair shop?

u/EltaninAntenna

That makes intuitive sense, but it's probably the thing that needs to be conclusively backed up by evidence to sway the corporations.

u/[deleted]

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u/handtoglandwombat

What a waste of time. The only study worth performing on this topic is whether or not it also increases productivity, because that’s the only way to align interests and get employers on boa

u/monsantobreath

It also shows how self cannibalizing the system is. People with free time could start businesses, invent stuff, create stuff, move to new places with less concern of losing their work life ba

u/KoolKat5000

Nah time is way more valuable than money

u/monsantobreath

Even when it makes the boss more money. That to me is the most significant indictment of the system. Our bosses infer our happiness as a failure to squeeze the fruit down to the pulp enough.

u/adobaloba

Still better than nothing, but real progress would be to actually work 20 hours/week and not sit around rather than 40 hours of half actual work, half pretending to work.

u/crossdtherubicon

As someone who worked a 4-day workweek for a few years, I'll chime in here with some general pros and cons. If you're doing a job that requires complex problem-solving, a creative/generative

u/sordidcandles

He got his degree from Water is Wet University.

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Study published in the Journal of Self-Evidently Obvious Conclusions.

u/Disastrous-Form-3613

Rotfl, I bet 1-day workweek with no loss of pay is even better!

u/WalkFreeeee

Because It's very easy to trick large swaths of the population into believing this is Impossible to do without lowering salaries / ruining the economy

u/Slorface

Doctor N.S. Sherlock, principal author.

u/Fangslash

you don't need a professor doing a study to know that more free time makes people happy these useless articles only serves to dilute the true value of 4-day work week, which is in many cases

u/MarcMurray92

Because we live under capitalism and billionaires ruin various aspects of our lives every day without a second thought since they are isolated from all consequences via paying off politicians

u/Z3r0sama2017

Bosses:"We don't like this. Go fuck yourselves." *cuts more staff so they can get their quarterly bonus* Seriously in theory, this sounds good. In practice with the demographic crisis a

u/monsantobreath

Because our democracies are overrated in the democratic component. And political democracy but not economic democracy doesn't allow you to vote on such things easily. Economic power is polit

u/InnerWrathChild

But does it generate the maximum profit/revenue for c suites folks and shareholders? Because that’s all they care about. Our wellbeing isn’t even in their top 10.

u/EkorrenHJ

I would much prefer more free time to more money, but I can't afford more free time.

u/JanB1

What these studies do is called "gathering a mountain of evidence". It might be subjectively self evident, but you still need to support a feeling with numbers.

u/Guenhwyvyr

Yeah... we will get that from the cold, de@d hands of the elite class. It is serfdom all over again! The world is run by corporate kings, and their kingdoms have no borders and penetrate ever

u/mangopanic

Your faith in market efficiency is admirable when we have plenty of evidence that people in power protect their own privilege above everything. Slaveholders literally fought a war to protect

u/ChocolateGoggles

I can't access neither the nature nor the newatlas paper.

u/iPunkt

The link to the article is broken for me

u/RostyC

But that only makes sense if the company gives a shit about their employees. SO that's like 95% out the window.

u/DrClownCar

Yes, but even if you prove it boosts productivity and profits, many companies will still resist. Fewer office days mean less opportunity to *hover*, less chance to *monitor*, and worst of all

u/handtoglandwombat

What a waste of time. The only study worth performing on this topic is whether or not it also increases productivity, because that’s the only way to align interests and get employers on boa

u/Fangslash

"gathering a mountain of evidence" is for something that needs to be proven the thing that needs to be proven here is 4-day week is productive, not 4-day week makes people happy. True or not

u/StealthFocus

A professor? You mean the Teaching and Research assistant, professors are checked out

u/Polaroid1793

With more free time we would start to realise more what's happening in the world. They don't want that.

u/EltaninAntenna

That makes intuitive sense, but it's probably the thing that needs to be conclusively backed up by evidence to sway the corporations.

u/Few-Improvement-5655

I think there have been studies. But more studies are always helpful. Still, we know it's not just about productivity. Many companies hate the idea that people aren't working for them 24/7 a

u/BeBopRockSteadyLS

Retirement on full pay is obviously the ultimate solution for companies seeking big gains

u/EltaninAntenna

That makes intuitive sense, but it's probably the thing that needs to be conclusively backed up by evidence to sway the corporations.

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/mvea: --- **A new international study found that a four-day workweek with no loss of pay significantly improved worker well-being, in

u/monsantobreath

Because our democracies are overrated in the democratic component. And political democracy but not economic democracy doesn't allow you to vote on such things easily. Economic power is polit

u/InnerWrathChild

But does it generate the maximum profit/revenue for c suites folks and shareholders? Because that’s all they care about. Our wellbeing isn’t even in their top 10.

u/RostyC

But that only makes sense if the company gives a shit about their employees. SO that's like 95% out the window.

u/ssdd121

Shocking. Working less hours with the same pay results in life improvements.

u/Polaroid1793

For small firms maybe, I don't doubt your good intentions. For large firms, which employ the majority of people, completely different matter.

u/adobaloba

Still better than nothing, but real progress would be to actually work 20 hours/week and not sit around rather than 40 hours of half actual work, half pretending to work.

u/smurficus103

It would be nice to have the choice: 20% more money or 20% more time

u/uberclops

But yea management is mostly based on perceived output of work, not actual work. 40 hours is more perceived value therefore that is the end of the argument from their perspective ☹️

u/CuckBuster33

Number would still go up but they're too stupid or cruel to care

u/Slorface

Doctor N.S. Sherlock, principal author.

u/smurficus103

It would be nice to have the choice: 20% more money or 20% more time

u/Super_Mario_Luigi

Study: "Do you want to work less and receive the same pay? Yes, yes I do." Science confirmed Just a new political carrot to dangle that will never work. Most people who support this are onl

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Study published in the Journal of Self-Evidently Obvious Conclusions.

u/sordidcandles

He got his degree from Water is Wet University.

u/SleKel

Less work and more freetime earning the same money resulted in a better life. Groundbreaking

u/Few-Improvement-5655

I think there have been studies. But more studies are always helpful. Still, we know it's not just about productivity. Many companies hate the idea that people aren't working for them 24/7 a

u/monsantobreath

It also shows how self cannibalizing the system is. People with free time could start businesses, invent stuff, create stuff, move to new places with less concern of losing their work life ba

u/devnull791101

a 0 day work week with no loss of pay would make people even happier

u/Polaroid1793

You are starting with 'not true', then saying 'true, we care about employee wellbeing but not enough to reduce profit'. Which is entirely the point.

u/JanB1

What these studies do is called "gathering a mountain of evidence". It might be subjectively self evident, but you still need to support a feeling with numbers.

u/TraditionalBackspace

If you can prove to companies it will result in more profit, it will happen. Otherwise, it's a pipe dream. If it does, workers will give up things like medical insurance in exchange for one l

u/ssdd121

Thanks for the reply. Exactly what part are you disagreeing with in my statement? The companies chose their own way to reduce hours?

u/Revolutionary-Bag-52

I mean its also slowly moving and trying things out for companies and government to see if it actually holds. In the Netherlands, for example, 36-hour work weeks are slowly becoming the stand

u/El_Gorgel

ok, maybe there is a misconception about what kind of a profit we are talking about here. with a business our size, we are not buying yachts, sports cars or 3 apartments. we are making a livi

u/Polaroid1793

For small firms maybe, I don't doubt your good intentions. For large firms, which employ the majority of people, completely different matter.

u/StealthFocus

A professor? You mean the Teaching and Research assistant, professors are checked out

u/Few-Improvement-5655

Productivity usually goes up. People who are well rested and happy are more likely to go that extra mile to get work done knowing that once it's done they get a decent break.

u/Maleficent-Solid9568

Keep the population declining guys!! More workers worse work conditions!!!! Remember we must join together not have kids!!!! Make enployers panicc

u/Super_Mario_Luigi

Study: "Do you want to work less and receive the same pay? Yes, yes I do." Science confirmed Just a new political carrot to dangle that will never work. Most people who support this are onl

u/InnerWrathChild

But does it generate the maximum profit/revenue for c suites folks and shareholders? Because that’s all they care about. Our wellbeing isn’t even in their top 10.

u/uberclops

But yea management is mostly based on perceived output of work, not actual work. 40 hours is more perceived value therefore that is the end of the argument from their perspective ☹️

u/ChocolateGoggles

I can't access neither the nature nor the newatlas paper.

u/Revolutionary-Bag-52

I mean its also slowly moving and trying things out for companies and government to see if it actually holds. In the Netherlands, for example, 36-hour work weeks are slowly becoming the stand

u/Fark_ID

Thats so sweet! They think burnout is bug, not a feature! How else can you keep hiring cheaper labor?

u/LoL_is_pepega_BIA

This is exactly why it will never become a reality. The ruling class do not want us to feel better about our lives. They want us to stay desperate and keep running the cockroach race so the

u/ChocolateGoggles

I can't access neither the nature nor the newatlas paper.

u/JanB1

What these studies do is called "gathering a mountain of evidence". It might be subjectively self evident, but you still need to support a feeling with numbers.

u/KoolKat5000

Nah time is way more valuable than money

u/Dziadzios

Too bad they don't care about employees, but only about numbers going up.

u/mvea

**A new international study found that a four-day workweek with no loss of pay significantly improved worker well-being, including lower burnout rates, better mental health, and higher job

u/Shinagami091

Oh I can promise you at my job I’m productive the entire time. I work at a call center and that’s sort of the big thing with call center work is that you’re always in a productive state.

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Study published in the Journal of Self-Evidently Obvious Conclusions.

u/Cross_22

Just imagine how much better they'd feel with a 0 day work week while getting paid!

u/LoL_is_pepega_BIA

This is exactly why it will never become a reality. The ruling class do not want us to feel better about our lives. They want us to stay desperate and keep running the cockroach race so the

u/Polaroid1793

The problem is that employee's wellbeing is a metric no one cares about.

u/ChocolateGoggles

I can't access neither the nature nor the newatlas paper.

u/GooglyEyeBandit

what if your job is triage? like emergency room or repair shop?

u/Super_Mario_Luigi

Study: "Do you want to work less and receive the same pay? Yes, yes I do." Science confirmed Just a new political carrot to dangle that will never work. Most people who support this are onl

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Study published in the Journal of Self-Evidently Obvious Conclusions.

u/Slorface

Doctor N.S. Sherlock, principal author.

u/tomtttttttttttt

The latter does have utlity: better staff morale -> lower turnover of staff and reduced sickness days -> (a) lower recruitment costs and (b) improvements in productivity as you have mo

u/devnull791101

a 0 day work week with no loss of pay would make people even happier

u/handtoglandwombat

What a waste of time. The only study worth performing on this topic is whether or not it also increases productivity, because that’s the only way to align interests and get employers on boa

u/BeBopRockSteadyLS

Retirement on full pay is obviously the ultimate solution for companies seeking big gains

u/BennySkateboard

4 cool marketing agencies will do it, everyone else will probably have to go fuck themselves. I hate the world atm and have no faith in anyone in power doing anything beneficial for the peopl

u/Polaroid1793

With more free time we would start to realise more what's happening in the world. They don't want that.

u/conn_r2112

Wow! Really?!?!? Paying people the same amount to work less makes them more content? Color me shocked!! Definitely needed a study to tell me that one

u/monsantobreath

Because our democracies are overrated in the democratic component. And political democracy but not economic democracy doesn't allow you to vote on such things easily. Economic power is polit

u/meiguobisi

There are so many democratic countries in the world, why have I hardly heard of any country launching a vote on a four-day work week?

u/conn_r2112

Wow! Really?!?!? Paying people the same amount to work less makes them more content? Color me shocked!! Definitely needed a study to tell me that one

u/Polaroid1793

For small firms maybe, I don't doubt your good intentions. For large firms, which employ the majority of people, completely different matter.

u/LoL_is_pepega_BIA

This is exactly why it will never become a reality. The ruling class do not want us to feel better about our lives. They want us to stay desperate and keep running the cockroach race so the

u/Super_Mario_Luigi

Study: "Do you want to work less and receive the same pay? Yes, yes I do." Science confirmed Just a new political carrot to dangle that will never work. Most people who support this are onl

u/meiguobisi

There are so many democratic countries in the world, why have I hardly heard of any country launching a vote on a four-day work week?

u/BennySkateboard

4 cool marketing agencies will do it, everyone else will probably have to go fuck themselves. I hate the world atm and have no faith in anyone in power doing anything beneficial for the peopl

u/devnull791101

a 0 day work week with no loss of pay would make people even happier

u/El_Gorgel

ok, maybe there is a misconception about what kind of a profit we are talking about here. with a business our size, we are not buying yachts, sports cars or 3 apartments. we are making a livi

u/BennySkateboard

4 cool marketing agencies will do it, everyone else will probably have to go fuck themselves. I hate the world atm and have no faith in anyone in power doing anything beneficial for the peopl

u/Mereinid

Hell yes it does. 4/10 Is the absolute best. Every Sat-Mon or Friday-Sun off.

u/KoolKat5000

Nah time is way more valuable than money

u/Mundane-Raspberry963

One solution to AI would definitely be to strictly enforce a 4 day work week. The labor surplus would get fixed immediately.

u/SleKel

Less work and more freetime earning the same money resulted in a better life. Groundbreaking

u/mangopanic

Your faith in market efficiency is admirable when we have plenty of evidence that people in power protect their own privilege above everything. Slaveholders literally fought a war to protect

u/MarcMurray92

Because we live under capitalism and billionaires ruin various aspects of our lives every day without a second thought since they are isolated from all consequences via paying off politicians

u/sordidcandles

He got his degree from Water is Wet University.

u/Ignition0

If you think that are more evil that greedy you are wrong. All investors want is Money, they don't care if it's done with 4 days a week or 7 days a week. If 4 days a week worked it

u/Polaroid1793

The problem is that employee's wellbeing is a metric no one cares about.

u/Maleficent-Solid9568

Keep the population declining guys!! More workers worse work conditions!!!! Remember we must join together not have kids!!!! Make enployers panicc

u/RostyC

But that only makes sense if the company gives a shit about their employees. SO that's like 95% out the window.

u/BennySkateboard

4 cool marketing agencies will do it, everyone else will probably have to go fuck themselves. I hate the world atm and have no faith in anyone in power doing anything beneficial for the peopl

u/El_Gorgel

ok, maybe there is a misconception about what kind of a profit we are talking about here. with a business our size, we are not buying yachts, sports cars or 3 apartments. we are making a livi

u/EltaninAntenna

That makes intuitive sense, but it's probably the thing that needs to be conclusively backed up by evidence to sway the corporations.

u/Super_Mario_Luigi

Study: "Do you want to work less and receive the same pay? Yes, yes I do." Science confirmed Just a new political carrot to dangle that will never work. Most people who support this are onl

u/Cross_22

Just imagine how much better they'd feel with a 0 day work week while getting paid!

u/Motorista_de_uber

People will be happy. At least until they find a second job to fill their new free time.

u/adobaloba

Still better than nothing, but real progress would be to actually work 20 hours/week and not sit around rather than 40 hours of half actual work, half pretending to work.

u/meiguobisi

There are so many democratic countries in the world, why have I hardly heard of any country launching a vote on a four-day work week?

u/BennySkateboard

4 cool marketing agencies will do it, everyone else will probably have to go fuck themselves. I hate the world atm and have no faith in anyone in power doing anything beneficial for the peopl

u/NegotiationNo7851

I’m pretty sure this is well known but I have yet to see any corporation care about their employees.

u/smurficus103

It would be nice to have the choice: 20% more money or 20% more time

u/monsantobreath

Because our democracies are overrated in the democratic component. And political democracy but not economic democracy doesn't allow you to vote on such things easily. Economic power is polit

u/CuckBuster33

Number would still go up but they're too stupid or cruel to care

u/Fangslash

you don't need a professor doing a study to know that more free time makes people happy these useless articles only serves to dilute the true value of 4-day work week, which is in many cases

u/Z3r0sama2017

Bosses:"We don't like this. Go fuck yourselves." *cuts more staff so they can get their quarterly bonus* Seriously in theory, this sounds good. In practice with the demographic crisis a

u/LoL_is_pepega_BIA

This is exactly why it will never become a reality. The ruling class do not want us to feel better about our lives. They want us to stay desperate and keep running the cockroach race so the

u/Shinagami091

Oh I can promise you at my job I’m productive the entire time. I work at a call center and that’s sort of the big thing with call center work is that you’re always in a productive state.

u/DrClownCar

Yes, but even if you prove it boosts productivity and profits, many companies will still resist. Fewer office days mean less opportunity to *hover*, less chance to *monitor*, and worst of all

u/Guenhwyvyr

Yeah... we will get that from the cold, de@d hands of the elite class. It is serfdom all over again! The world is run by corporate kings, and their kingdoms have no borders and penetrate ever

u/tomtttttttttttt

The latter does have utlity: better staff morale -> lower turnover of staff and reduced sickness days -> (a) lower recruitment costs and (b) improvements in productivity as you have mo

u/iPunkt

The link to the article is broken for me

u/Dziadzios

Too bad they don't care about employees, but only about numbers going up.

u/NegotiationNo7851

I’m pretty sure this is well known but I have yet to see any corporation care about their employees.

u/El_Gorgel

this is an interesting question i actually never looked into. i did a short Chat GPT prompt for the situation in my country (Austria) regarding workforce distribution by size of business, nat

u/Few-Improvement-5655

Productivity usually goes up. People who are well rested and happy are more likely to go that extra mile to get work done knowing that once it's done they get a decent break.

u/Shinagami091

Spoiler alert: Most American companies don’t really care about any of that. They would rather work you to the bone for as long as they can until you either quit or they have no use for you an

u/gortlank

And 7 days with the same efficiency as the 4 days is even more money!!! Why aren’t you all that efficient all of the time? It must be because workers are lazy thieves! We need to whip them e

u/JellyKeyboard

Articles like this really just hit a nerve, can we please actually start making this happen? Like where are these jobs, who are the employers doing this and are they hiring? I feel like I’m s

u/No_Edge_7964

Okay but how did it impact on shareholder value creation and quarterly earnings? 🤔🤔🤔

u/Ignition0

If you think that are more evil that greedy you are wrong. All investors want is Money, they don't care if it's done with 4 days a week or 7 days a week. If 4 days a week worked it

u/StealthFocus

A professor? You mean the Teaching and Research assistant, professors are checked out

u/meiguobisi

There are so many democratic countries in the world, why have I hardly heard of any country launching a vote on a four-day work week?

u/El_Gorgel

ok, maybe there is a misconception about what kind of a profit we are talking about here. with a business our size, we are not buying yachts, sports cars or 3 apartments. we are making a livi

u/TraditionalBackspace

If you can prove to companies it will result in more profit, it will happen. Otherwise, it's a pipe dream. If it does, workers will give up things like medical insurance in exchange for one l

u/monsantobreath

Because our democracies are overrated in the democratic component. And political democracy but not economic democracy doesn't allow you to vote on such things easily. Economic power is polit

u/WalkFreeeee

Because It's very easy to trick large swaths of the population into believing this is Impossible to do without lowering salaries / ruining the economy

u/Few-Improvement-5655

I think there have been studies. But more studies are always helpful. Still, we know it's not just about productivity. Many companies hate the idea that people aren't working for them 24/7 a

u/Big_Crab_1510

We KNOW, they don't want us happy!! Happy people dont waste money on unnecessary and unhealthy stuff. God forbid we get to spend any time at home relaxing with our loved ones

u/BennySkateboard

4 cool marketing agencies will do it, everyone else will probably have to go fuck themselves. I hate the world atm and have no faith in anyone in power doing anything beneficial for the peopl

u/kyleh0

I've got a study right here that says that the people with money don't give a fuck. Apparently it's pretty accurate.

u/adobaloba

Still better than nothing, but real progress would be to actually work 20 hours/week and not sit around rather than 40 hours of half actual work, half pretending to work.

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/mvea: --- **A new international study found that a four-day workweek with no loss of pay significantly improved worker well-being, in

u/Cross_22

Just imagine how much better they'd feel with a 0 day work week while getting paid!

u/gortlank

And 7 days with the same efficiency as the 4 days is even more money!!! Why aren’t you all that efficient all of the time? It must be because workers are lazy thieves! We need to whip them e

u/Guenhwyvyr

Yeah... we will get that from the cold, de@d hands of the elite class. It is serfdom all over again! The world is run by corporate kings, and their kingdoms have no borders and penetrate ever

u/BeBopRockSteadyLS

Retirement on full pay is obviously the ultimate solution for companies seeking big gains

u/mangopanic

Your faith in market efficiency is admirable when we have plenty of evidence that people in power protect their own privilege above everything. Slaveholders literally fought a war to protect

u/Polaroid1793

With more free time we would start to realise more what's happening in the world. They don't want that.

u/gortlank

And 7 days with the same efficiency as the 4 days is even more money!!! Why aren’t you all that efficient all of the time? It must be because workers are lazy thieves! We need to whip them e

u/NegotiationNo7851

I’m pretty sure this is well known but I have yet to see any corporation care about their employees.

u/NegotiationNo7851

I’m pretty sure this is well known but I have yet to see any corporation care about their employees.

u/ptcounterpt

I have worked 4 ten hour day weeks. It was the happiest place I’ve ever worked.

u/ssdd121

Thanks for the reply. Exactly what part are you disagreeing with in my statement? The companies chose their own way to reduce hours?

u/Maleficent-Solid9568

Keep the population declining guys!! More workers worse work conditions!!!! Remember we must join together not have kids!!!! Make enployers panicc

u/Polaroid1793

You are starting with 'not true', then saying 'true, we care about employee wellbeing but not enough to reduce profit'. Which is entirely the point.

u/tomtttttttttttt

The latter does have utlity: better staff morale -> lower turnover of staff and reduced sickness days -> (a) lower recruitment costs and (b) improvements in productivity as you have mo

u/CuckBuster33

Number would still go up but they're too stupid or cruel to care

u/El_Gorgel

Not true. Also, not all bosses are evil billionaires, and not all businesses are huge faceless corporations. We have a small business with ca. 10 employees in construction management / arch

u/NegotiationNo7851

I’m pretty sure this is well known but I have yet to see any corporation care about their employees.

u/TraditionalBackspace

If you can prove to companies it will result in more profit, it will happen. Otherwise, it's a pipe dream. If it does, workers will give up things like medical insurance in exchange for one l

u/Cross_22

Just imagine how much better they'd feel with a 0 day work week while getting paid!

u/monsantobreath

Even when it makes the boss more money. That to me is the most significant indictment of the system. Our bosses infer our happiness as a failure to squeeze the fruit down to the pulp enough.

u/CuckBuster33

Number would still go up but they're too stupid or cruel to care

u/DrClownCar

Riddle me this: how will you boss people around if there aren't any people to boss around? The crisis in middle management: regaining the feeling of mattering in the world.

u/tomtttttttttttt

The latter does have utlity: better staff morale -> lower turnover of staff and reduced sickness days -> (a) lower recruitment costs and (b) improvements in productivity as you have mo

u/InnerWrathChild

But does it generate the maximum profit/revenue for c suites folks and shareholders? Because that’s all they care about. Our wellbeing isn’t even in their top 10.

u/Comfortable-Art-6096

How do we get this going in the US? I seriously can’t believe how behind we are with things like this. We work ourselves to literal death for what? To make the rich more rich? Like things are

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u/Cross_22

Just imagine how much better they'd feel with a 0 day work week while getting paid!

u/ptcounterpt

I have worked 4 ten hour day weeks. It was the happiest place I’ve ever worked.

u/Fark_ID

Thats so sweet! They think burnout is bug, not a feature! How else can you keep hiring cheaper labor?

u/ssdd121

Thanks for the reply. Exactly what part are you disagreeing with in my statement? The companies chose their own way to reduce hours?

u/Polaroid1793

The problem is that employee's wellbeing is a metric no one cares about.

u/Super_Mario_Luigi

Study: "Do you want to work less and receive the same pay? Yes, yes I do." Science confirmed Just a new political carrot to dangle that will never work. Most people who support this are onl

u/KanedaSyndrome

What did it say about productivity though? That's really the only thing that matters

u/EkorrenHJ

I would much prefer more free time to more money, but I can't afford more free time.

u/CuckBuster33

Number would still go up but they're too stupid or cruel to care

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/mvea: --- **A new international study found that a four-day workweek with no loss of pay significantly improved worker well-being, in

u/mangopanic

Your faith in market efficiency is admirable when we have plenty of evidence that people in power protect their own privilege above everything. Slaveholders literally fought a war to protect

u/monsantobreath

It also shows how self cannibalizing the system is. People with free time could start businesses, invent stuff, create stuff, move to new places with less concern of losing their work life ba

u/El_Gorgel

Not true. Also, not all bosses are evil billionaires, and not all businesses are huge faceless corporations. We have a small business with ca. 10 employees in construction management / arch

u/tomtttttttttttt

The latter does have utlity: better staff morale -> lower turnover of staff and reduced sickness days -> (a) lower recruitment costs and (b) improvements in productivity as you have mo

u/Polaroid1793

You are starting with 'not true', then saying 'true, we care about employee wellbeing but not enough to reduce profit'. Which is entirely the point.

u/crossdtherubicon

As someone who worked a 4-day workweek for a few years, I'll chime in here with some general pros and cons. If you're doing a job that requires complex problem-solving, a creative/generative

u/Big_Crab_1510

We KNOW, they don't want us happy!! Happy people dont waste money on unnecessary and unhealthy stuff. God forbid we get to spend any time at home relaxing with our loved ones

u/KanedaSyndrome

What did it say about productivity though? That's really the only thing that matters

u/SleKel

Less work and more freetime earning the same money resulted in a better life. Groundbreaking

u/Shinagami091

Oh I can promise you at my job I’m productive the entire time. I work at a call center and that’s sort of the big thing with call center work is that you’re always in a productive state.

u/Dziadzios

Too bad they don't care about employees, but only about numbers going up.

u/Siciliano777

Groundbreaking!! Who would have thought less work for the same pay and more time off to actually enjoy life would lead to less stress??? 😐

u/Polaroid1793

With more free time we would start to realise more what's happening in the world. They don't want that.

u/JellyKeyboard

Articles like this really just hit a nerve, can we please actually start making this happen? Like where are these jobs, who are the employers doing this and are they hiring? I feel like I’m s

u/Big_Crab_1510

We KNOW, they don't want us happy!! Happy people dont waste money on unnecessary and unhealthy stuff. God forbid we get to spend any time at home relaxing with our loved ones

u/StealthFocus

A professor? You mean the Teaching and Research assistant, professors are checked out

u/Disastrous-Form-3613

Rotfl, I bet 1-day workweek with no loss of pay is even better!

u/mvea

**A new international study found that a four-day workweek with no loss of pay significantly improved worker well-being, including lower burnout rates, better mental health, and higher job

u/DrClownCar

Riddle me this: how will you boss people around if there aren't any people to boss around? The crisis in middle management: regaining the feeling of mattering in the world.

u/WalkFreeeee

Because It's very easy to trick large swaths of the population into believing this is Impossible to do without lowering salaries / ruining the economy

u/Mereinid

Hell yes it does. 4/10 Is the absolute best. Every Sat-Mon or Friday-Sun off.

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/mvea: --- **A new international study found that a four-day workweek with no loss of pay significantly improved worker well-being, in

u/Ignition0

If you think that are more evil that greedy you are wrong. All investors want is Money, they don't care if it's done with 4 days a week or 7 days a week. If 4 days a week worked it

u/9447044

Working less hours for the same pay also sounds like a pay raise. I haven't done the math, but I think everybody likes more money.

u/NegotiationNo7851

I’m pretty sure this is well known but I have yet to see any corporation care about their employees.

u/Comfortable-Art-6096

How do we get this going in the US? I seriously can’t believe how behind we are with things like this. We work ourselves to literal death for what? To make the rich more rich? Like things are

u/SleKel

Less work and more freetime earning the same money resulted in a better life. Groundbreaking

u/Mereinid

Hell yes it does. 4/10 Is the absolute best. Every Sat-Mon or Friday-Sun off.

u/Dziadzios

Too bad they don't care about employees, but only about numbers going up.

u/Siciliano777

Groundbreaking!! Who would have thought less work for the same pay and more time off to actually enjoy life would lead to less stress??? 😐

u/InnerWrathChild

But does it generate the maximum profit/revenue for c suites folks and shareholders? Because that’s all they care about. Our wellbeing isn’t even in their top 10.

u/Shinagami091

Spoiler alert: Most American companies don’t really care about any of that. They would rather work you to the bone for as long as they can until you either quit or they have no use for you an

u/RostyC

But that only makes sense if the company gives a shit about their employees. SO that's like 95% out the window.

u/EkorrenHJ

I would much prefer more free time to more money, but I can't afford more free time.

u/JanB1

What these studies do is called "gathering a mountain of evidence". It might be subjectively self evident, but you still need to support a feeling with numbers.

u/kyleh0

I've got a study right here that says that the people with money don't give a fuck. Apparently it's pretty accurate.

u/iPunkt

The link to the article is broken for me

u/mvea

**A new international study found that a four-day workweek with no loss of pay significantly improved worker well-being, including lower burnout rates, better mental health, and higher job

u/Z3r0sama2017

Bosses:"We don't like this. Go fuck yourselves." *cuts more staff so they can get their quarterly bonus* Seriously in theory, this sounds good. In practice with the demographic crisis a

u/JanB1

What these studies do is called "gathering a mountain of evidence". It might be subjectively self evident, but you still need to support a feeling with numbers.

u/Yrths

Yes, and the article mentions perceived productivity, but the study didn't measure it, which it reduces its usefulness greatly. It is lacking the exercise's single most persuasive variable.

u/JellyKeyboard

Articles like this really just hit a nerve, can we please actually start making this happen? Like where are these jobs, who are the employers doing this and are they hiring? I feel like I’m s

u/BeBopRockSteadyLS

Retirement on full pay is obviously the ultimate solution for companies seeking big gains

u/MarcMurray92

Because we live under capitalism and billionaires ruin various aspects of our lives every day without a second thought since they are isolated from all consequences via paying off politicians

u/Polaroid1793

The problem is that employee's wellbeing is a metric no one cares about.

u/MarcMurray92

Because we live under capitalism and billionaires ruin various aspects of our lives every day without a second thought since they are isolated from all consequences via paying off politicians

u/JellyKeyboard

Articles like this really just hit a nerve, can we please actually start making this happen? Like where are these jobs, who are the employers doing this and are they hiring? I feel like I’m s

u/Cross_22

Just imagine how much better they'd feel with a 0 day work week while getting paid!

u/DrClownCar

Yes, but even if you prove it boosts productivity and profits, many companies will still resist. Fewer office days mean less opportunity to *hover*, less chance to *monitor*, and worst of all

u/ssdd121

Shocking. Working less hours with the same pay results in life improvements.

u/ChocolateGoggles

I can't access neither the nature nor the newatlas paper.

u/Fangslash

you don't need a professor doing a study to know that more free time makes people happy these useless articles only serves to dilute the true value of 4-day work week, which is in many cases

u/KoolKat5000

Nah time is way more valuable than money

u/InnerWrathChild

But does it generate the maximum profit/revenue for c suites folks and shareholders? Because that’s all they care about. Our wellbeing isn’t even in their top 10.

u/Guenhwyvyr

Yeah... we will get that from the cold, de@d hands of the elite class. It is serfdom all over again! The world is run by corporate kings, and their kingdoms have no borders and penetrate ever

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/mvea: --- **A new international study found that a four-day workweek with no loss of pay significantly improved worker well-being, in

u/KoolKat5000

Nah time is way more valuable than money

u/DrClownCar

Riddle me this: how will you boss people around if there aren't any people to boss around? The crisis in middle management: regaining the feeling of mattering in the world.

u/monsantobreath

It also shows how self cannibalizing the system is. People with free time could start businesses, invent stuff, create stuff, move to new places with less concern of losing their work life ba

u/Maleficent-Solid9568

Keep the population declining guys!! More workers worse work conditions!!!! Remember we must join together not have kids!!!! Make enployers panicc

u/JellyKeyboard

Articles like this really just hit a nerve, can we please actually start making this happen? Like where are these jobs, who are the employers doing this and are they hiring? I feel like I’m s

u/Big_Crab_1510

We KNOW, they don't want us happy!! Happy people dont waste money on unnecessary and unhealthy stuff. God forbid we get to spend any time at home relaxing with our loved ones

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/mvea: --- **A new international study found that a four-day workweek with no loss of pay significantly improved worker well-being, in

u/Mundane-Raspberry963

One solution to AI would definitely be to strictly enforce a 4 day work week. The labor surplus would get fixed immediately.

u/Shinagami091

Spoiler alert: Most American companies don’t really care about any of that. They would rather work you to the bone for as long as they can until you either quit or they have no use for you an

u/KanedaSyndrome

What did it say about productivity though? That's really the only thing that matters

u/Disastrous-Form-3613

Rotfl, I bet 1-day workweek with no loss of pay is even better!

u/TraditionalBackspace

If you can prove to companies it will result in more profit, it will happen. Otherwise, it's a pipe dream. If it does, workers will give up things like medical insurance in exchange for one l

u/Polaroid1793

For small firms maybe, I don't doubt your good intentions. For large firms, which employ the majority of people, completely different matter.

u/Mereinid

Hell yes it does. 4/10 Is the absolute best. Every Sat-Mon or Friday-Sun off.

u/El_Gorgel

ok, maybe there is a misconception about what kind of a profit we are talking about here. with a business our size, we are not buying yachts, sports cars or 3 apartments. we are making a livi

u/Big_Crab_1510

We KNOW, they don't want us happy!! Happy people dont waste money on unnecessary and unhealthy stuff. God forbid we get to spend any time at home relaxing with our loved ones

u/Polaroid1793

For small firms maybe, I don't doubt your good intentions. For large firms, which employ the majority of people, completely different matter.

u/Motorista_de_uber

People will be happy. At least until they find a second job to fill their new free time.

u/El_Gorgel

this is an interesting question i actually never looked into. i did a short Chat GPT prompt for the situation in my country (Austria) regarding workforce distribution by size of business, nat

u/Polaroid1793

You are starting with 'not true', then saying 'true, we care about employee wellbeing but not enough to reduce profit'. Which is entirely the point.

u/Fangslash

"gathering a mountain of evidence" is for something that needs to be proven the thing that needs to be proven here is 4-day week is productive, not 4-day week makes people happy. True or not

u/kyleh0

I've got a study right here that says that the people with money don't give a fuck. Apparently it's pretty accurate.

u/Polaroid1793

The problem is that employee's wellbeing is a metric no one cares about.

u/EkorrenHJ

I would much prefer more free time to more money, but I can't afford more free time.

u/mangopanic

Your faith in market efficiency is admirable when we have plenty of evidence that people in power protect their own privilege above everything. Slaveholders literally fought a war to protect

u/Fark_ID

Thats so sweet! They think burnout is bug, not a feature! How else can you keep hiring cheaper labor?

u/Polaroid1793

You are starting with 'not true', then saying 'true, we care about employee wellbeing but not enough to reduce profit'. Which is entirely the point.

u/mangopanic

Your faith in market efficiency is admirable when we have plenty of evidence that people in power protect their own privilege above everything. Slaveholders literally fought a war to protect

u/Mereinid

Hell yes it does. 4/10 Is the absolute best. Every Sat-Mon or Friday-Sun off.

u/Ignition0

If you think that are more evil that greedy you are wrong. All investors want is Money, they don't care if it's done with 4 days a week or 7 days a week. If 4 days a week worked it

u/El_Gorgel

this is an interesting question i actually never looked into. i did a short Chat GPT prompt for the situation in my country (Austria) regarding workforce distribution by size of business, nat

u/9447044

Working less hours for the same pay also sounds like a pay raise. I haven't done the math, but I think everybody likes more money.

u/Shinagami091

Spoiler alert: Most American companies don’t really care about any of that. They would rather work you to the bone for as long as they can until you either quit or they have no use for you an

u/monsantobreath

It also shows how self cannibalizing the system is. People with free time could start businesses, invent stuff, create stuff, move to new places with less concern of losing their work life ba

u/Mundane-Raspberry963

One solution to AI would definitely be to strictly enforce a 4 day work week. The labor surplus would get fixed immediately.

u/smurficus103

It would be nice to have the choice: 20% more money or 20% more time

u/devnull791101

a 0 day work week with no loss of pay would make people even happier

u/Guenhwyvyr

Yeah... we will get that from the cold, de@d hands of the elite class. It is serfdom all over again! The world is run by corporate kings, and their kingdoms have no borders and penetrate ever

u/No_Edge_7964

Okay but how did it impact on shareholder value creation and quarterly earnings? 🤔🤔🤔

u/Yrths

Yes, and the article mentions perceived productivity, but the study didn't measure it, which it reduces its usefulness greatly. It is lacking the exercise's single most persuasive variable.

u/Fark_ID

Thats so sweet! They think burnout is bug, not a feature! How else can you keep hiring cheaper labor?

u/ptcounterpt

I have worked 4 ten hour day weeks. It was the happiest place I’ve ever worked.

u/Fangslash

you don't need a professor doing a study to know that more free time makes people happy these useless articles only serves to dilute the true value of 4-day work week, which is in many cases

u/El_Gorgel

ok, maybe there is a misconception about what kind of a profit we are talking about here. with a business our size, we are not buying yachts, sports cars or 3 apartments. we are making a livi

u/Fark_ID

Thats so sweet! They think burnout is bug, not a feature! How else can you keep hiring cheaper labor?

u/Big_Crab_1510

We KNOW, they don't want us happy!! Happy people dont waste money on unnecessary and unhealthy stuff. God forbid we get to spend any time at home relaxing with our loved ones

u/smurficus103

It would be nice to have the choice: 20% more money or 20% more time

u/handtoglandwombat

What a waste of time. The only study worth performing on this topic is whether or not it also increases productivity, because that’s the only way to align interests and get employers on boa

u/WalkFreeeee

Because It's very easy to trick large swaths of the population into believing this is Impossible to do without lowering salaries / ruining the economy

u/9447044

Working less hours for the same pay also sounds like a pay raise. I haven't done the math, but I think everybody likes more money.

u/mangopanic

Your faith in market efficiency is admirable when we have plenty of evidence that people in power protect their own privilege above everything. Slaveholders literally fought a war to protect

u/sordidcandles

He got his degree from Water is Wet University.

u/conn_r2112

Wow! Really?!?!? Paying people the same amount to work less makes them more content? Color me shocked!! Definitely needed a study to tell me that one

u/ChocolateGoggles

I can't access neither the nature nor the newatlas paper.

u/monsantobreath

Even when it makes the boss more money. That to me is the most significant indictment of the system. Our bosses infer our happiness as a failure to squeeze the fruit down to the pulp enough.

u/No_Edge_7964

Okay but how did it impact on shareholder value creation and quarterly earnings? 🤔🤔🤔

u/smurficus103

It would be nice to have the choice: 20% more money or 20% more time

u/BeBopRockSteadyLS

Retirement on full pay is obviously the ultimate solution for companies seeking big gains

u/KanedaSyndrome

What did it say about productivity though? That's really the only thing that matters

u/BeBopRockSteadyLS

Retirement on full pay is obviously the ultimate solution for companies seeking big gains

u/monsantobreath

Even when it makes the boss more money. That to me is the most significant indictment of the system. Our bosses infer our happiness as a failure to squeeze the fruit down to the pulp enough.

u/sordidcandles

He got his degree from Water is Wet University.

u/Fark_ID

Thats so sweet! They think burnout is bug, not a feature! How else can you keep hiring cheaper labor?

u/Motorista_de_uber

People will be happy. At least until they find a second job to fill their new free time.

u/Z3r0sama2017

Bosses:"We don't like this. Go fuck yourselves." *cuts more staff so they can get their quarterly bonus* Seriously in theory, this sounds good. In practice with the demographic crisis a

u/ssdd121

Shocking. Working less hours with the same pay results in life improvements.

u/uberclops

But yea management is mostly based on perceived output of work, not actual work. 40 hours is more perceived value therefore that is the end of the argument from their perspective ☹️

u/Guenhwyvyr

Yeah... we will get that from the cold, de@d hands of the elite class. It is serfdom all over again! The world is run by corporate kings, and their kingdoms have no borders and penetrate ever

u/WalkFreeeee

Because It's very easy to trick large swaths of the population into believing this is Impossible to do without lowering salaries / ruining the economy

u/GooglyEyeBandit

what if your job is triage? like emergency room or repair shop?

u/InnerWrathChild

But does it generate the maximum profit/revenue for c suites folks and shareholders? Because that’s all they care about. Our wellbeing isn’t even in their top 10.

u/WalkFreeeee

Because It's very easy to trick large swaths of the population into believing this is Impossible to do without lowering salaries / ruining the economy

u/DrClownCar

Yes, but even if you prove it boosts productivity and profits, many companies will still resist. Fewer office days mean less opportunity to *hover*, less chance to *monitor*, and worst of all

u/Maleficent-Solid9568

Keep the population declining guys!! More workers worse work conditions!!!! Remember we must join together not have kids!!!! Make enployers panicc

u/TraditionalBackspace

If you can prove to companies it will result in more profit, it will happen. Otherwise, it's a pipe dream. If it does, workers will give up things like medical insurance in exchange for one l

u/monsantobreath

Because our democracies are overrated in the democratic component. And political democracy but not economic democracy doesn't allow you to vote on such things easily. Economic power is polit

u/Polaroid1793

The problem is that employee's wellbeing is a metric no one cares about.

u/DrClownCar

Riddle me this: how will you boss people around if there aren't any people to boss around? The crisis in middle management: regaining the feeling of mattering in the world.

u/uberclops

But yea management is mostly based on perceived output of work, not actual work. 40 hours is more perceived value therefore that is the end of the argument from their perspective ☹️

u/El_Gorgel

ok, maybe there is a misconception about what kind of a profit we are talking about here. with a business our size, we are not buying yachts, sports cars or 3 apartments. we are making a livi

u/Fangslash

"gathering a mountain of evidence" is for something that needs to be proven the thing that needs to be proven here is 4-day week is productive, not 4-day week makes people happy. True or not

u/Few-Improvement-5655

I think there have been studies. But more studies are always helpful. Still, we know it's not just about productivity. Many companies hate the idea that people aren't working for them 24/7 a

u/JanB1

What these studies do is called "gathering a mountain of evidence". It might be subjectively self evident, but you still need to support a feeling with numbers.

u/SleKel

Less work and more freetime earning the same money resulted in a better life. Groundbreaking

u/9447044

Working less hours for the same pay also sounds like a pay raise. I haven't done the math, but I think everybody likes more money.

u/EkorrenHJ

I would much prefer more free time to more money, but I can't afford more free time.

u/CuckBuster33

Number would still go up but they're too stupid or cruel to care

u/Guenhwyvyr

Yeah... we will get that from the cold, de@d hands of the elite class. It is serfdom all over again! The world is run by corporate kings, and their kingdoms have no borders and penetrate ever

u/Mereinid

Hell yes it does. 4/10 Is the absolute best. Every Sat-Mon or Friday-Sun off.

u/Mundane-Raspberry963

One solution to AI would definitely be to strictly enforce a 4 day work week. The labor surplus would get fixed immediately.

u/Few-Improvement-5655

I think there have been studies. But more studies are always helpful. Still, we know it's not just about productivity. Many companies hate the idea that people aren't working for them 24/7 a

u/Yrths

Yes, and the article mentions perceived productivity, but the study didn't measure it, which it reduces its usefulness greatly. It is lacking the exercise's single most persuasive variable.

u/EkorrenHJ

I would much prefer more free time to more money, but I can't afford more free time.

u/JellyKeyboard

Articles like this really just hit a nerve, can we please actually start making this happen? Like where are these jobs, who are the employers doing this and are they hiring? I feel like I’m s

u/JanB1

What these studies do is called "gathering a mountain of evidence". It might be subjectively self evident, but you still need to support a feeling with numbers.

u/Shinagami091

Spoiler alert: Most American companies don’t really care about any of that. They would rather work you to the bone for as long as they can until you either quit or they have no use for you an

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Study published in the Journal of Self-Evidently Obvious Conclusions.

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Study published in the Journal of Self-Evidently Obvious Conclusions.

u/ssdd121

Thanks for the reply. Exactly what part are you disagreeing with in my statement? The companies chose their own way to reduce hours?

u/Maleficent-Solid9568

Keep the population declining guys!! More workers worse work conditions!!!! Remember we must join together not have kids!!!! Make enployers panicc

u/El_Gorgel

this is an interesting question i actually never looked into. i did a short Chat GPT prompt for the situation in my country (Austria) regarding workforce distribution by size of business, nat

u/Siciliano777

Groundbreaking!! Who would have thought less work for the same pay and more time off to actually enjoy life would lead to less stress??? 😐

u/Disastrous-Form-3613

Rotfl, I bet 1-day workweek with no loss of pay is even better!

u/El_Gorgel

this is an interesting question i actually never looked into. i did a short Chat GPT prompt for the situation in my country (Austria) regarding workforce distribution by size of business, nat

u/Polaroid1793

With more free time we would start to realise more what's happening in the world. They don't want that.

u/iPunkt

The link to the article is broken for me

u/KanedaSyndrome

What did it say about productivity though? That's really the only thing that matters

u/handtoglandwombat

What a waste of time. The only study worth performing on this topic is whether or not it also increases productivity, because that’s the only way to align interests and get employers on boa

u/EltaninAntenna

That makes intuitive sense, but it's probably the thing that needs to be conclusively backed up by evidence to sway the corporations.

u/JellyKeyboard

Articles like this really just hit a nerve, can we please actually start making this happen? Like where are these jobs, who are the employers doing this and are they hiring? I feel like I’m s

u/crossdtherubicon

As someone who worked a 4-day workweek for a few years, I'll chime in here with some general pros and cons. If you're doing a job that requires complex problem-solving, a creative/generative

u/mangopanic

Your faith in market efficiency is admirable when we have plenty of evidence that people in power protect their own privilege above everything. Slaveholders literally fought a war to protect

u/uberclops

But yea management is mostly based on perceived output of work, not actual work. 40 hours is more perceived value therefore that is the end of the argument from their perspective ☹️

u/CuckBuster33

Number would still go up but they're too stupid or cruel to care

u/Slorface

Doctor N.S. Sherlock, principal author.

u/SleKel

Less work and more freetime earning the same money resulted in a better life. Groundbreaking

u/crossdtherubicon

As someone who worked a 4-day workweek for a few years, I'll chime in here with some general pros and cons. If you're doing a job that requires complex problem-solving, a creative/generative

u/StealthFocus

A professor? You mean the Teaching and Research assistant, professors are checked out

u/sordidcandles

He got his degree from Water is Wet University.

u/9447044

Working less hours for the same pay also sounds like a pay raise. I haven't done the math, but I think everybody likes more money.

u/sordidcandles

He got his degree from Water is Wet University.

u/KanedaSyndrome

What did it say about productivity though? That's really the only thing that matters

u/Fangslash

"gathering a mountain of evidence" is for something that needs to be proven the thing that needs to be proven here is 4-day week is productive, not 4-day week makes people happy. True or not

u/adobaloba

Still better than nothing, but real progress would be to actually work 20 hours/week and not sit around rather than 40 hours of half actual work, half pretending to work.

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u/BennySkateboard

4 cool marketing agencies will do it, everyone else will probably have to go fuck themselves. I hate the world atm and have no faith in anyone in power doing anything beneficial for the peopl

u/Super_Mario_Luigi

Study: "Do you want to work less and receive the same pay? Yes, yes I do." Science confirmed Just a new political carrot to dangle that will never work. Most people who support this are onl

u/iPunkt

The link to the article is broken for me

u/KoolKat5000

Nah time is way more valuable than money

u/mvea

**A new international study found that a four-day workweek with no loss of pay significantly improved worker well-being, including lower burnout rates, better mental health, and higher job

u/tomtttttttttttt

The latter does have utlity: better staff morale -> lower turnover of staff and reduced sickness days -> (a) lower recruitment costs and (b) improvements in productivity as you have mo

u/Siciliano777

Groundbreaking!! Who would have thought less work for the same pay and more time off to actually enjoy life would lead to less stress??? 😐

u/conn_r2112

Wow! Really?!?!? Paying people the same amount to work less makes them more content? Color me shocked!! Definitely needed a study to tell me that one

u/meiguobisi

There are so many democratic countries in the world, why have I hardly heard of any country launching a vote on a four-day work week?

u/GooglyEyeBandit

what if your job is triage? like emergency room or repair shop?

u/Cross_22

Just imagine how much better they'd feel with a 0 day work week while getting paid!

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u/ssdd121

Shocking. Working less hours with the same pay results in life improvements.

u/Few-Improvement-5655

I think there have been studies. But more studies are always helpful. Still, we know it's not just about productivity. Many companies hate the idea that people aren't working for them 24/7 a

u/Disastrous-Form-3613

Rotfl, I bet 1-day workweek with no loss of pay is even better!

u/DrClownCar

Yes, but even if you prove it boosts productivity and profits, many companies will still resist. Fewer office days mean less opportunity to *hover*, less chance to *monitor*, and worst of all

u/Revolutionary-Bag-52

I mean its also slowly moving and trying things out for companies and government to see if it actually holds. In the Netherlands, for example, 36-hour work weeks are slowly becoming the stand

u/Disastrous-Form-3613

Rotfl, I bet 1-day workweek with no loss of pay is even better!

u/tomtttttttttttt

The latter does have utlity: better staff morale -> lower turnover of staff and reduced sickness days -> (a) lower recruitment costs and (b) improvements in productivity as you have mo

u/El_Gorgel

ok, maybe there is a misconception about what kind of a profit we are talking about here. with a business our size, we are not buying yachts, sports cars or 3 apartments. we are making a livi

u/BeBopRockSteadyLS

Retirement on full pay is obviously the ultimate solution for companies seeking big gains

u/Z3r0sama2017

Bosses:"We don't like this. Go fuck yourselves." *cuts more staff so they can get their quarterly bonus* Seriously in theory, this sounds good. In practice with the demographic crisis a

u/Ignition0

If you think that are more evil that greedy you are wrong. All investors want is Money, they don't care if it's done with 4 days a week or 7 days a week. If 4 days a week worked it

u/Yrths

Yes, and the article mentions perceived productivity, but the study didn't measure it, which it reduces its usefulness greatly. It is lacking the exercise's single most persuasive variable.

u/Slorface

Doctor N.S. Sherlock, principal author.

u/adobaloba

Still better than nothing, but real progress would be to actually work 20 hours/week and not sit around rather than 40 hours of half actual work, half pretending to work.

u/iPunkt

The link to the article is broken for me

u/9447044

Working less hours for the same pay also sounds like a pay raise. I haven't done the math, but I think everybody likes more money.

u/Guenhwyvyr

Yeah... we will get that from the cold, de@d hands of the elite class. It is serfdom all over again! The world is run by corporate kings, and their kingdoms have no borders and penetrate ever

u/Revolutionary-Bag-52

I mean its also slowly moving and trying things out for companies and government to see if it actually holds. In the Netherlands, for example, 36-hour work weeks are slowly becoming the stand

u/9447044

Working less hours for the same pay also sounds like a pay raise. I haven't done the math, but I think everybody likes more money.

u/ssdd121

Thanks for the reply. Exactly what part are you disagreeing with in my statement? The companies chose their own way to reduce hours?

u/monsantobreath

It also shows how self cannibalizing the system is. People with free time could start businesses, invent stuff, create stuff, move to new places with less concern of losing their work life ba

u/ssdd121

Thanks for the reply. Exactly what part are you disagreeing with in my statement? The companies chose their own way to reduce hours?

u/Fangslash

you don't need a professor doing a study to know that more free time makes people happy these useless articles only serves to dilute the true value of 4-day work week, which is in many cases

u/Big_Crab_1510

We KNOW, they don't want us happy!! Happy people dont waste money on unnecessary and unhealthy stuff. God forbid we get to spend any time at home relaxing with our loved ones

u/JellyKeyboard

Articles like this really just hit a nerve, can we please actually start making this happen? Like where are these jobs, who are the employers doing this and are they hiring? I feel like I’m s

u/Polaroid1793

With more free time we would start to realise more what's happening in the world. They don't want that.

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