Fusion Energy Breakthrough: Investment & Public Engagement Opportunities

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Scientists Are Now 43 Seconds Closer to Producing Limitless Energy - A twisted reactor in Germany just smashed a nuclear fusion record.

Posted by u/Gari_305•07/21/2025

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u/brewsntattoos

"Its fer me mah"

u/shit_magnet-0730

Does no one joke around anymore? Besides, historically, the oil industry markets themselves as increasing in alternative fuels and energies in order to claim patents, technology and access t

u/thyL_

Yea, in a hundred years or so humans could reap the benefits of it. Maybe even earlier, you never know. But either way, we'd find a way to make it privatized bullshit anyway so the majority

u/Winjin

I think you misunderstood what they're salty about - it's the fact that even if it's going to be limitless, it won't be free Then again these reactors aren't free, and humans will come up wi

u/IniNew

The power will be cheap, but say hello to astronomical “delivery” fees for the infrastructure to get it from the plant to your home

u/rockbottomtraveler

Hmm google says previous record is 1337 seconds on February 12 2025 One of many sources: https://phys.org/news/2025-02-nuclear-fusion-west-machine-world.html

u/TheYang

> Solar is getting there in terms of cheap and limitless energy. Solar technically is fusion

u/Meethor_smash

It's Pizza time!

u/Infninfn

\*Cheap power if they're able to commoditise building of fusion reactors, if there are more than enough to meet demand, and if they can be run with low operating and maintenance costs.

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/Gari_305: --- From the article In a recent experiment, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Plasma Physics sustained a stable p

u/Winjin

I think you misunderstood what they're salty about - it's the fact that even if it's going to be limitless, it won't be free Then again these reactors aren't free, and humans will come up wi

u/Responsible-Room-645

Thanks for the explanation 🙏

u/Madgick

Where do you keep up to date on stuff like this? I bet there'd be some great one off podcasts out there on the subject, but it seems like 3 months out of date might be an eternity

u/ILikeWatching

It still looks like someone being proud they're able to juggle for almost a minute. No doubt in time they'll be able to keep the balls in the air for minutes at a time. But hours? Days?

u/Putrid-Reputation-68

The reason it's not cheap and abundant is because there isn't a need to mass produce it yet. It would be very economical at scale

u/woolcoat

Decades ago, I viewed fusion as the holy grail of limitless energy that’ll revolutionize society and bring in an era lacking in want. I definite don’t believe that anymore now that I’m older.

u/Portdawgg

What stocks can I look at to possibly invest in for fusion?

u/Infninfn

\*Cheap power if they're able to commoditise building of fusion reactors, if there are more than enough to meet demand, and if they can be run with low operating and maintenance costs.

u/red75prime

Infrastructure like in existing power transmission lines and power balancing equipment that was built for rotating generators? Solar will require significant changes to that: HVDC lines, sma

u/Diche_Bach

Limitless" is an exaggeration. A more accurate description would be abundant, relatively less expensive, relatively cleaner, and relatively low-risk. Even once sustained fusion becomes techni

u/Smartnership

TL;DR: Fusion is no longer 5 years away. Now it’s just 60 months out. *Months*, people. We’re down to months.

u/Maghorn_Mobile

You can't really invest in fusion directly, but you could look at energy companies that will eventually start building the infrastructure when it becomes viable and any support industries tha

u/ProximaUniverse

This indeed, use lithium-6 plates to create tritium

u/ClaytonBiggsbie

I eagerly await the day when I get to begin paying a monthly subscription for this unlimited energy.

u/Psychological-Fix-51

Those kind of heavy-investment are generally not made by the private sector but by public funding. In France highway, nuclear power plant, telecom and more are state fondée then re-sell for c

u/dejamintwo

But in the end its just hydrogen which is the most common element.

u/bikbar1

The cost of the infrastructure and labour is more than the raw material. Solar is practically free energy during the daytime in most of the world, but it still costs a lot to produce.

u/That-Makes-Sense

Fusion energy - The energy of the future, and always will be.

u/narnerve

1337, sick. And yeah EAST mogs for operational times. I think 7-X could probably run for ages since its recent runs have been free of issues (that I know of) but they are very careful about

u/Diche_Bach

Limitless" is an exaggeration. A more accurate description would be abundant, relatively less expensive, relatively cleaner, and relatively low-risk. Even once sustained fusion becomes techni

u/DoodleNoodle08

Its "limitless" in the fact that deuterium and tritium are easy to make cheaply and abundant. But at the end of the day it will be a power plant that requires people to build, run, and mainta

u/JCDU

It would not have to be constant and continuous but it would need to be able to pump out an average amount of continuous heat to turn turbines etc. to be worthwhile.

u/Winjin

Yep, same thinking, I was thinking we will just put separate LLMs into literally everything and make light-up pavements and flying cars that have to be recharged every 30 seconds via direct p

u/liuniao

The article says this record of 43 seconds includes tokamaks. I assume the article is wrong, just giving additional context to the comment above.

u/thatguy01001010

Do you realize that almost all power generation is steam? Solar and wind aside. steam turbines are incredibly effective and in this age of technology they're extremely advanced and powerful.

u/Thatingles

That was a much cooler plasma, they were testing plasma confinement at sub-fusion temperatures. Very different.

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u/Super_Mario_Luigi

I think you misunderstood. Cost structure is more complex than the most simplistic internet opinion. How's the savings on the limitless solar power?

u/HenryTheWho

This shit all over, first we were not even able to reach ignition, we lacked materials and even basic understanding of fusion process. Because some semi literate headline chasing so called j

u/Tacosaurusman

All cheap energy will be used to power bitcoin transactions, until energy is costly again.

u/wozwozwoz

I think basically whenever these articles are being published they are referring to scientific breakeven (just phenomena power in vs out) and not engineering breakeven. My primitive understan

u/BoringBob84

Yes, solar energy is almost limitless, but it is not consistent. Having a source like nuclear fusion to provide base load when other sources cannot produce enough would be wonderful. As it is

u/BoringBob84

> it's kinda stupid How is the fusion reactor that you have developed better than this one?

u/LifeFeckinBrilliant

What a movie! Periwinkle blue boys.... 😂

u/wozwozwoz

I think basically whenever these articles are being published they are referring to scientific breakeven (just phenomena power in vs out) and not engineering breakeven. My primitive understan

u/Nourios

I think this is it.

u/bikbar1

The cost of the infrastructure and labour is more than the raw material. Solar is practically free energy during the daytime in most of the world, but it still costs a lot to produce.

u/photovirus

> Maybe 43 seconds doesn’t sound like much, but it’s now the longest plasma duration ever in nuclear fusion, including tokamaks. Previously, the now-defunct JT60U Tokamak in Japan and the

u/LifeFeckinBrilliant

Zee Germans Tommy?

u/GlobalWarminIsComing

In case you missed the joke: 60 months is 5 years Or I missed you building on the joke in which case I'm an idiot

u/Manaze85

It’s been an hour since this was posted, did I miss it?

u/Smartnership

TL;DR: Fusion is no longer 5 years away. Now it’s just 60 months out. *Months*, people. We’re down to months.

u/Stikes

Sauce on the 60 months though

u/rockbottomtraveler

Hmm google says previous record is 1337 seconds on February 12 2025 One of many sources: https://phys.org/news/2025-02-nuclear-fusion-west-machine-world.html

u/Madgick

Where do you keep up to date on stuff like this? I bet there'd be some great one off podcasts out there on the subject, but it seems like 3 months out of date might be an eternity

u/maxawake

Well, its Unfortunately is not entirly trivial to harvest natural H Isotopes, but in principle a good reactor design can produce its own Isotopes through nuclear reactions in the wall of the

u/davocn

Maybe that was just the longest time a plasma has been sustained, even at low levels. Then is 43 seconds the longest fusion grade performance has been achieved?

u/Schnort

> I pay €60 per month for all my energy needs—including transportation and heat. You should probably include your capital investment amortized over your expected lifespan of your system

u/Manaze85

It’s been an hour since this was posted, did I miss it?

u/Tower21

Sounds like you are experiencing one half of the Gell-Mann amnesia effect.

u/wwarnout

So, only 29 years, 364 days, and 86,357 seconds to go.

u/Juzam_Djinn_

What about the EAST project in China - Maybe that’s not the same thing?

u/Tower21

Sounds like you are experiencing one half of the Gell-Mann amnesia effect.

u/Vex1om

> which has achieved a Fusion Energy Gain Factor (power produced / power needed to run the reactor) of 1.5 This is very misleading. First of all, power produced is just the energy create

u/dejamintwo

But in the end its just hydrogen which is the most common element.

u/Infninfn

\*Cheap power if they're able to commoditise building of fusion reactors, if there are more than enough to meet demand, and if they can be run with low operating and maintenance costs.

u/ClaytonBiggsbie

I eagerly await the day when I get to begin paying a monthly subscription for this unlimited energy.

u/Gari_305

[Gas industry is investing in fusion energy ](https://mexicobusiness.news/oilandgas/news/oil-industry-explores-viability-nuclear-fusion)

u/estransza

You already doing it. It’s called “electricity bill”.

u/Moose_Nuts

> Max Planck I always thought his name was a bit of an oxymoron.

u/zabby39103

The fusion methods proposed by TAE and also Helion would not need steam. Regardless, steam turbines are perfectly fine tech that we've perfected. There's nothing wrong with them. Toilets a

u/dejamintwo

But in the end its just hydrogen which is the most common element.

u/[deleted]

What about the EAST project in China - Maybe that’s not the same thing?

u/narnerve

1337, sick. And yeah EAST mogs for operational times. I think 7-X could probably run for ages since its recent runs have been free of issues (that I know of) but they are very careful about

u/Tower21

Sounds like you are experiencing one half of the Gell-Mann amnesia effect.

u/Different-Set4505

They have been saying we are close for 50 years, maybe in 100 years we get there, until then oil from the Middle East!

u/DoodleNoodle08

Its "limitless" in the fact that deuterium and tritium are easy to make cheaply and abundant. But at the end of the day it will be a power plant that requires people to build, run, and mainta

u/liuniao

The article says this record of 43 seconds includes tokamaks. I assume the article is wrong, just giving additional context to the comment above.

u/Hanoverview

Yea... Do what you want .. i go install more solar panels und use the giant fusion ball in the sky.

u/bobtheavenger

It's harvesting energy produced by fusion, but I doubt similar tech would work for actually harvesting fusion reactions. And couldn't all energy technically be called from fusion at that poi

u/doogiehowitzer1

I have a simple solution for this problem. We should just combine the two and make a tokellerator. I’ll get to emailing relevant parties. I can’t wait to claim my Nobel prize.

u/estransza

You already doing it. It’s called “electricity bill”.

u/more_bananajamas

Invest in everything cos that's the breadth of impact of something like this. It's too risky to invest in individual companies or even narrowly defined thematic funds. Particularly at the e

u/ClaytonBiggsbie

I eagerly await the day when I get to begin paying a monthly subscription for this unlimited energy.

u/Catty_Whompus

Tritium you say? The power of the sun? In the palm of my hand?

u/Infninfn

\*Cheap power if they're able to commoditise building of fusion reactors, if there are more than enough to meet demand, and if they can be run with low operating and maintenance costs.

u/ClaytonBiggsbie

I eagerly await the day when I get to begin paying a monthly subscription for this unlimited energy.

u/woolcoat

Decades ago, I viewed fusion as the holy grail of limitless energy that’ll revolutionize society and bring in an era lacking in want. I definite don’t believe that anymore now that I’m older.

u/Vulture-Bee-6174

And there is a big chance that the energy will generated via steam...like in the 1800s

u/davocn

Maybe that was just the longest time a plasma has been sustained, even at low levels. Then is 43 seconds the longest fusion grade performance has been achieved?

u/StaysAwakeAllWeek

Tokamaks are the simplest practical magnetic confinement design so it's easier to design gigantic powerful magnets for them that can contain higher temperatures. But they are notoriously unst

u/Vex1om

> which has achieved a Fusion Energy Gain Factor (power produced / power needed to run the reactor) of 1.5 This is very misleading. First of all, power produced is just the energy create

u/Winjin

Yep, same thinking, I was thinking we will just put separate LLMs into literally everything and make light-up pavements and flying cars that have to be recharged every 30 seconds via direct p

u/dejamintwo

But in the end its just hydrogen which is the most common element.

u/IniNew

The power will be cheap, but say hello to astronomical “delivery” fees for the infrastructure to get it from the plant to your home

u/sciencesanfrontier

'Sustainable commercial fusion just 15 years from now', every year for the last 60+ years

u/vardarac

> Then again these reactors aren't free, and humans will come up with something ridiculous, like a Microsoft Teams app of 2025 being heavier than an entire powerful OS from the nineties.

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/Gari_305: --- From the article In a recent experiment, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Plasma Physics sustained a stable p

u/bikbar1

The cost of the infrastructure and labour is more than the raw material. Solar is practically free energy during the daytime in most of the world, but it still costs a lot to produce.

u/Psychological-Fix-51

Those kind of heavy-investment are generally not made by the private sector but by public funding. In France highway, nuclear power plant, telecom and more are state fondée then re-sell for c

u/Tower21

Sounds like you are experiencing one half of the Gell-Mann amnesia effect.

u/Vex1om

> which has achieved a Fusion Energy Gain Factor (power produced / power needed to run the reactor) of 1.5 This is very misleading. First of all, power produced is just the energy create

u/airfryerfuntime

You'll pay an arbitrary number and like it!

u/El_Grappadura

[Video of german professor explaining what happened](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOZ6p2o6O14)

u/ThMogget

I agree with that except the *inexpensive* part. Fusion addresses none of nuclear’s cost problems, assuming it is used as a source of heat for a giant steam turbine system.

u/Hipcatjack

my brother in shit posting… no, noone jokes anymore on the internet because it no longer is a “fun” place to be. like work, it is a necessity to exist now. actually it literally *IS* work now

u/Maghorn_Mobile

You can't really invest in fusion directly, but you could look at energy companies that will eventually start building the infrastructure when it becomes viable and any support industries tha

u/Vex1om

> which has achieved a Fusion Energy Gain Factor (power produced / power needed to run the reactor) of 1.5 This is very misleading. First of all, power produced is just the energy create

u/Putrid-Reputation-68

The reason it's not cheap and abundant is because there isn't a need to mass produce it yet. It would be very economical at scale

u/Gari_305

From the article In a recent experiment, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Plasma Physics sustained a stable plasma reaction in the Wendelstein 7-X for 43 seconds, reaching the “[t

u/Infninfn

\*Cheap power if they're able to commoditise building of fusion reactors, if there are more than enough to meet demand, and if they can be run with low operating and maintenance costs.

u/Dralex75

The supercritical CO2 turbines are making good progress to replace them.

u/DoodleNoodle08

Its "limitless" in the fact that deuterium and tritium are easy to make cheaply and abundant. But at the end of the day it will be a power plant that requires people to build, run, and mainta

u/Maghorn_Mobile

You can't really invest in fusion directly, but you could look at energy companies that will eventually start building the infrastructure when it becomes viable and any support industries tha

u/AstralDoomer

If it's just 43 seconds, why can't they just wait for that time and announce that they have achieved limitless energy?

u/Joke_of_a_Name

Was it TOTAL energy efficient? Q gained > Q input(total) ?

u/wozwozwoz

I think basically whenever these articles are being published they are referring to scientific breakeven (just phenomena power in vs out) and not engineering breakeven. My primitive understan

u/communistkangu

It is. Very interesting.

u/Stikes

Naw, i was clambering onto your good joke 😆

u/MrZwink

Itll never be free, but with fusion energy might become as abundant as water.

u/rockbottomtraveler

Hmm google says previous record is 1337 seconds on February 12 2025 One of many sources: https://phys.org/news/2025-02-nuclear-fusion-west-machine-world.html

u/Diche_Bach

It is definitely fair to point out that, even after the prolonged period of R&D, followed by technology refinement and eventual integration as commercial services, fusion power plants may

u/Thatingles

That was a much cooler plasma, they were testing plasma confinement at sub-fusion temperatures. Very different.

u/communistkangu

It is. Very interesting.

u/Putrid-Reputation-68

The reason it's not cheap and abundant is because there isn't a need to mass produce it yet. It would be very economical at scale

u/rogue_ger

I’m increasingly skeptical that even scientific breakthroughs are going to make things better for regular people. All that seems to happen is private concerns taking it over and then finding

u/samjones2025

That’s huge! 43 seconds of plasma—fusion energy is getting real. Clean, endless power might not be far off!

u/Stikes

Naw, i was clambering onto your good joke 😆

u/KingRBPII

The oligarchy has pushed all the wealth gain into the private equity market. Unless you are one of them you can’t play. The only war is class war

u/sciencesanfrontier

'Sustainable commercial fusion just 15 years from now', every year for the last 60+ years

u/sciencesanfrontier

'Sustainable commercial fusion just 15 years from now', every year for the last 60+ years

u/aVarangian

but the anti-capitalists are telling me this trillion-dollar-investment's results will be literally free and an exploitation of the common citisen?

u/danielv123

The difference is that is a tokamak, this is a stellerator. Which one will be the best design is yet to be determined. From what I understand stellerators are more complicated mathematically

u/Responsible-Room-645

Serious question: does the fusion reaction have to be constant and continuous (until being intentionally discontinued), for it to be considered commercially viable, or would it go in pulses.

u/LifeFeckinBrilliant

What a movie! Periwinkle blue boys.... 😂

u/danielv123

The difference is that is a tokamak, this is a stellerator. Which one will be the best design is yet to be determined. From what I understand stellerators are more complicated mathematically

u/Centaurtaur69

And coal, lots of coal

u/photovirus

> Maybe 43 seconds doesn’t sound like much, but it’s now the longest plasma duration ever in nuclear fusion, including tokamaks. Previously, the now-defunct JT60U Tokamak in Japan and the

u/Alis451

> or would it go in pulses there are some facilities that are actually testing that right now [A fusion pulse reactor](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlNfP3iywvI), Helion

u/woolcoat

Decades ago, I viewed fusion as the holy grail of limitless energy that’ll revolutionize society and bring in an era lacking in want. I definite don’t believe that anymore now that I’m older.

u/more_bananajamas

Invest in everything cos that's the breadth of impact of something like this. It's too risky to invest in individual companies or even narrowly defined thematic funds. Particularly at the e

u/danielv123

The difference is that is a tokamak, this is a stellerator. Which one will be the best design is yet to be determined. From what I understand stellerators are more complicated mathematically

u/Different-Set4505

They have been saying we are close for 50 years, maybe in 100 years we get there, until then oil from the Middle East!

u/BoringBob84

> it's kinda stupid How is the fusion reactor that you have developed better than this one?

u/MarkCuckerberg69420

OP is wrong. Tritium is not abundant. There’s only 25 pounds of it on the whole planet!

u/ThMogget

I agree with that except the *inexpensive* part. Fusion addresses none of nuclear’s cost problems, assuming it is used as a source of heat for a giant steam turbine system.

u/UnifiedQuantumField

Agree 100%. How so? * sCO₂ has a much higher energy density than steam. * It allows more power to be extracted per unit volume of working fluid. * Because of the thermophysical properties

u/red75prime

Infrastructure like in existing power transmission lines and power balancing equipment that was built for rotating generators? Solar will require significant changes to that: HVDC lines, sma

u/Nourios

I think this is it.

u/Psychological-Fix-51

Those kind of heavy-investment are generally not made by the private sector but by public funding. In France highway, nuclear power plant, telecom and more are state fondée then re-sell for c

u/Smartnership

TL;DR: Fusion is no longer 5 years away. Now it’s just 60 months out. *Months*, people. We’re down to months.

u/Thatingles

That was a much cooler plasma, they were testing plasma confinement at sub-fusion temperatures. Very different.

u/Winjin

I think you misunderstood what they're salty about - it's the fact that even if it's going to be limitless, it won't be free Then again these reactors aren't free, and humans will come up wi

u/rockbottomtraveler

Hmm google says previous record is 1337 seconds on February 12 2025 One of many sources: https://phys.org/news/2025-02-nuclear-fusion-west-machine-world.html

u/the_gouged_eye

I like to hold a basket of commodities, especially domestic primary metals. I am catching a lot of the upward momentum from tech developments without most of their downside risk and without m

u/rogue_ger

I’m increasingly skeptical that even scientific breakthroughs are going to make things better for regular people. All that seems to happen is private concerns taking it over and then finding

u/Winjin

Yep, same thinking, I was thinking we will just put separate LLMs into literally everything and make light-up pavements and flying cars that have to be recharged every 30 seconds via direct p

u/airfryerfuntime

You'll pay an arbitrary number and like it!

u/Moose_Nuts

> Max Planck I always thought his name was a bit of an oxymoron.

u/bikbar1

The cost of the infrastructure and labour is more than the raw material. Solar is practically free energy during the daytime in most of the world, but it still costs a lot to produce.

u/StaysAwakeAllWeek

Tokamaks are the simplest practical magnetic confinement design so it's easier to design gigantic powerful magnets for them that can contain higher temperatures. But they are notoriously unst

u/BoringBob84

Yes, solar energy is almost limitless, but it is not consistent. Having a source like nuclear fusion to provide base load when other sources cannot produce enough would be wonderful. As it is

u/thyL_

Yea, in a hundred years or so humans could reap the benefits of it. Maybe even earlier, you never know. But either way, we'd find a way to make it privatized bullshit anyway so the majority

u/KingRBPII

The oligarchy has pushed all the wealth gain into the private equity market. Unless you are one of them you can’t play. The only war is class war

u/MarkCuckerberg69420

OP is wrong. Tritium is not abundant. There’s only 25 pounds of it on the whole planet!

u/the_gouged_eye

I like to hold a basket of commodities, especially domestic primary metals. I am catching a lot of the upward momentum from tech developments without most of their downside risk and without m

u/wwarnout

So, only 29 years, 364 days, and 86,357 seconds to go.

u/JCDU

It would not have to be constant and continuous but it would need to be able to pump out an average amount of continuous heat to turn turbines etc. to be worthwhile.

u/ILikeWatching

It still looks like someone being proud they're able to juggle for almost a minute. No doubt in time they'll be able to keep the balls in the air for minutes at a time. But hours? Days?

u/Diche_Bach

It is definitely fair to point out that, even after the prolonged period of R&D, followed by technology refinement and eventual integration as commercial services, fusion power plants may

u/Catty_Whompus

Tritium you say? The power of the sun? In the palm of my hand?

u/airfryerfuntime

You'll pay an arbitrary number and like it!

u/Mr_Badgey

It’s actually kilorams not pounds. But your statement there’s a very limited natural supply is correct. However we can theoretically make it using other elements that are more plentiful. In f

u/bobtheavenger

It's harvesting energy produced by fusion, but I doubt similar tech would work for actually harvesting fusion reactions. And couldn't all energy technically be called from fusion at that poi

u/StaysAwakeAllWeek

Tokamaks are the simplest practical magnetic confinement design so it's easier to design gigantic powerful magnets for them that can contain higher temperatures. But they are notoriously unst

u/boborian9

It needs to net enough energy from each pulse. Right now, a majority of the energy gained would go into the warmup phase, and likely not even enough to fully offset that. If the pulses produc

u/photovirus

> Maybe 43 seconds doesn’t sound like much, but it’s now the longest plasma duration ever in nuclear fusion, including tokamaks. Previously, the now-defunct JT60U Tokamak in Japan and the

u/51onions

That's interesting, do you know why a tokamak is better suited to higher temperatures, and a stellarator better suited to duration?

u/Glum_Selection7115

43 seconds today might turn into hours tomorrow. Big respect to the scientists

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u/BoringBob84

Yes, solar energy is almost limitless, but it is not consistent. Having a source like nuclear fusion to provide base load when other sources cannot produce enough would be wonderful. As it is

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u/pyrrhios

and don't forget the cost of the infrastructure to get it to your home.

u/Diche_Bach

Limitless" is an exaggeration. A more accurate description would be abundant, inexpensive, clean, and relatively low-risk. Even once sustained fusion becomes technically viable, it will likel

u/FreeNumber49

I’ve been following this story with bated breath…since 1951. Any day now!

u/kalirion

This was posted 3 hours and 40 minutes ago, so I assume that they are now 3 hours, 40 minutes, and 43 seconds closer to producing limitless energy.

u/StaysAwakeAllWeek

Stellarators like Wendelstein 7-X are specifically designed to be able to reach longer plasma durations than tokamaks. Seeing one take the record for the longest plasma is entirely unsurprisi

u/Madgick

Where do you keep up to date on stuff like this? I bet there'd be some great one off podcasts out there on the subject, but it seems like 3 months out of date might be an eternity

u/leddhedd

Every 43 seconds we are 43 seconds closer to "insert energy milestone here" Might have sounded like a cool title but it's kinda stupid unless you know sustaining a reaction for 43 seconds is

u/LapsedVerneGagKnee

I think a friend of mine made a good point when he declared that the problem is no longer a theoretical one, it's just an absurdly complicated engineering one. At least the latter is solvabl

u/Mr_Badgey

Ohhh. Thanks for clarifying. I guess the info I supplied is still useful if people want real life statistics and what can be done about it.

u/UnifiedQuantumField

Agree 100%. How so? * sCO₂ has a much higher energy density than steam. * It allows more power to be extracted per unit volume of working fluid. * Because of the thermophysical properties

u/shit_magnet-0730

I'm gonna get ahead of this and say RIP to those scientists who tried to cut into the bottom line - signed Shell, BP, Exxon, Chevron, Saudi Aramco

u/BoringBob84

> it's kinda stupid How is the fusion reactor that you have developed better than this one?

u/Smartnership

TL;DR: Fusion is no longer 5 years away. Now it’s just 60 months out. *Months*, people. We’re down to months.

u/airfryerfuntime

You'll pay an arbitrary number and like it!

u/MrZwink

Itll never be free, but with fusion energy might become as abundant as water.

u/LifeFeckinBrilliant

Zee Germans Tommy?

u/Tacosaurusman

All cheap energy will be used to power bitcoin transactions, until energy is costly again.

u/StaysAwakeAllWeek

Tokamaks are the simplest practical magnetic confinement design so it's easier to design gigantic powerful magnets for them that can contain higher temperatures. But they are notoriously unst

u/blobbyboy123

Will have to play a 30 second ad every time I turn the lights on

u/photovirus

> Maybe 43 seconds doesn’t sound like much, but it’s now the longest plasma duration ever in nuclear fusion, including tokamaks. Previously, the now-defunct JT60U Tokamak in Japan and the

u/Winjin

I think you misunderstood what they're salty about - it's the fact that even if it's going to be limitless, it won't be free Then again these reactors aren't free, and humans will come up wi

u/51onions

That's interesting, do you know why a tokamak is better suited to higher temperatures, and a stellarator better suited to duration?

u/wozwozwoz

I think basically whenever these articles are being published they are referring to scientific breakeven (just phenomena power in vs out) and not engineering breakeven. My primitive understan

u/rockbottomtraveler

Hmm google says previous record is 1337 seconds on February 12 2025 One of many sources: https://phys.org/news/2025-02-nuclear-fusion-west-machine-world.html

u/leddhedd

Every 43 seconds we are 43 seconds closer to "insert energy milestone here" Might have sounded like a cool title but it's kinda stupid unless you know sustaining a reaction for 43 seconds is

u/TheYang

> Solar is getting there in terms of cheap and limitless energy. Solar technically is fusion

u/That-Makes-Sense

Fusion energy - The energy of the future, and always will be.

u/GodOne

It’s funny it comes from Germany. I thought we were stoked to get by with wind and sun…in Germany.

u/Hanoverview

So far, I’m at 70% energy autarky. What’s missing is more batteries and more panels. At the moment, I have around 26 kWh of storage. I need more panels for winter. I pay €60 per month for all

u/Tacosaurusman

All cheap energy will be used to power bitcoin transactions, until energy is costly again.

u/Gari_305

From the article In a recent experiment, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Plasma Physics sustained a stable plasma reaction in the Wendelstein 7-X for 43 seconds, reaching the “[t

u/dejamintwo

But in the end its just hydrogen which is the most common element.

u/pyrrhios

and don't forget the cost of the infrastructure to get it to your home.

u/Joke_of_a_Name

Was it TOTAL energy efficient? Q gained > Q input(total) ?

u/Responsible-Room-645

Thanks for the explanation 🙏

u/Readyyyyyyyyyy-GO

“Eww he’s so twisted ladies and gentlemen, he *did fusion* talk about a real sicko”

u/Diche_Bach

It is definitely fair to point out that, even after the prolonged period of R&D, followed by technology refinement and eventual integration as commercial services, fusion power plants may

u/Mr_Badgey

It’s actually kilorams not pounds. But your statement there’s a very limited natural supply is correct. However we can theoretically make it using other elements that are more plentiful. In f

u/Meethor_smash

It's Pizza time!

u/Glittering_Cow945

This is a very bad article for laymen with numerous errors and oversimplifications.

u/Alis451

> or would it go in pulses there are some facilities that are actually testing that right now [A fusion pulse reactor](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlNfP3iywvI), Helion

u/Responsible-Room-645

Thanks for the explanation 🙏

u/Stikes

Naw, i was clambering onto your good joke 😆

u/Responsible-Room-645

Serious question: does the fusion reaction have to be constant and continuous (until being intentionally discontinued), for it to be considered commercially viable, or would it go in pulses.

u/Hanoverview

Yea... Do what you want .. i go install more solar panels und use the giant fusion ball in the sky.

u/brewsntattoos

"Its fer me mah"

u/Vulture-Bee-6174

And there is a big chance that the energy will generated via steam...like in the 1800s

u/leddhedd

Every 43 seconds we are 43 seconds closer to "insert energy milestone here" Might have sounded like a cool title but it's kinda stupid unless you know sustaining a reaction for 43 seconds is

u/danielv123

The difference is that is a tokamak, this is a stellerator. Which one will be the best design is yet to be determined. From what I understand stellerators are more complicated mathematically

u/narnerve

1337, sick. And yeah EAST mogs for operational times. I think 7-X could probably run for ages since its recent runs have been free of issues (that I know of) but they are very careful about

u/woolcoat

Decades ago, I viewed fusion as the holy grail of limitless energy that’ll revolutionize society and bring in an era lacking in want. I definite don’t believe that anymore now that I’m older.

u/Madgick

Where do you keep up to date on stuff like this? I bet there'd be some great one off podcasts out there on the subject, but it seems like 3 months out of date might be an eternity

u/Stikes

Naw, i was clambering onto your good joke 😆

u/Catty_Whompus

Tritium you say? The power of the sun? In the palm of my hand?

u/Dralex75

The supercritical CO2 turbines are making good progress to replace them.

u/Diche_Bach

Limitless" is an exaggeration. A more accurate description would be abundant, relatively less expensive, relatively cleaner, and relatively low-risk. Even once sustained fusion becomes techni

u/thatguy01001010

Do you realize that almost all power generation is steam? Solar and wind aside. steam turbines are incredibly effective and in this age of technology they're extremely advanced and powerful.

u/JCDU

It would not have to be constant and continuous but it would need to be able to pump out an average amount of continuous heat to turn turbines etc. to be worthwhile.

u/aVarangian

but the anti-capitalists are telling me this trillion-dollar-investment's results will be literally free and an exploitation of the common citisen?

u/Nourios

I think this is it.

u/ILikeWatching

It still looks like someone being proud they're able to juggle for almost a minute. No doubt in time they'll be able to keep the balls in the air for minutes at a time. But hours? Days?

u/atropear

US already has it. Classified years ago.

u/GlobalWarminIsComing

In case you missed the joke: 60 months is 5 years Or I missed you building on the joke in which case I'm an idiot

u/airfryerfuntime

You'll pay an arbitrary number and like it!

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/Gari_305: --- From the article In a recent experiment, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Plasma Physics sustained a stable p

u/LifeFeckinBrilliant

Zee Germans Tommy?

u/more_bananajamas

Invest in everything cos that's the breadth of impact of something like this. It's too risky to invest in individual companies or even narrowly defined thematic funds. Particularly at the e

u/JCDU

Cuppa tea? Nah fanks Turkish, ah'm sweet enuff already.

u/51onions

That's interesting, do you know why a tokamak is better suited to higher temperatures, and a stellarator better suited to duration?

u/TheYang

> Solar is getting there in terms of cheap and limitless energy. Solar technically is fusion

u/aVarangian

but the anti-capitalists are telling me this trillion-dollar-investment's results will be literally free and an exploitation of the common citisen?

u/MarkCuckerberg69420

Just to be clear, I was quoting Spider-Man 2.

u/KingRBPII

The oligarchy has pushed all the wealth gain into the private equity market. Unless you are one of them you can’t play. The only war is class war

u/MarkCuckerberg69420

OP is wrong. Tritium is not abundant. There’s only 25 pounds of it on the whole planet!

u/Stikes

Sauce on the 60 months though

u/Tower21

Sounds like you are experiencing one half of the Gell-Mann amnesia effect.

u/HenryTheWho

This shit all over, first we were not even able to reach ignition, we lacked materials and even basic understanding of fusion process. Because some semi literate headline chasing so called j

u/ThMogget

I agree with that except the *inexpensive* part. Fusion addresses none of nuclear’s cost problems, assuming it is used as a source of heat for a giant steam turbine system.

u/Tacosaurusman

All cheap energy will be used to power bitcoin transactions, until energy is costly again.

u/Madgick

Where do you keep up to date on stuff like this? I bet there'd be some great one off podcasts out there on the subject, but it seems like 3 months out of date might be an eternity

u/GlobalWarminIsComing

In case you missed the joke: 60 months is 5 years Or I missed you building on the joke in which case I'm an idiot

u/hrlft

Gasturbines don't use steam either. There are variants that use the "cold" gas to run a steam turbine as a 2nd stage, but even these get 2/3 of their energy from the gas turbine part.

u/sciencesanfrontier

'Sustainable commercial fusion just 15 years from now', every year for the last 60+ years

u/leddhedd

Every 43 seconds we are 43 seconds closer to "insert energy milestone here" Might have sounded like a cool title but it's kinda stupid unless you know sustaining a reaction for 43 seconds is

u/Smartnership

TL;DR: Fusion is no longer 5 years away. Now it’s just 60 months out. *Months*, people. We’re down to months.

u/LapsedVerneGagKnee

I think a friend of mine made a good point when he declared that the problem is no longer a theoretical one, it's just an absurdly complicated engineering one. At least the latter is solvabl

u/maxawake

Well, its Unfortunately is not entirly trivial to harvest natural H Isotopes, but in principle a good reactor design can produce its own Isotopes through nuclear reactions in the wall of the

u/BoringBob84

Yes, solar energy is almost limitless, but it is not consistent. Having a source like nuclear fusion to provide base load when other sources cannot produce enough would be wonderful. As it is

u/maxawake

Well, its Unfortunately is not entirly trivial to harvest natural H Isotopes, but in principle a good reactor design can produce its own Isotopes through nuclear reactions in the wall of the

u/GlobalWarminIsComing

In case you missed the joke: 60 months is 5 years Or I missed you building on the joke in which case I'm an idiot

u/Vulture-Bee-6174

And there is a big chance that the energy will generated via steam...like in the 1800s

u/Superb_Raccoon

But... it's german.

u/estransza

You already doing it. It’s called “electricity bill”.

u/Infninfn

\*Cheap power if they're able to commoditise building of fusion reactors, if there are more than enough to meet demand, and if they can be run with low operating and maintenance costs.

u/Responsible-Room-645

Serious question: does the fusion reaction have to be constant and continuous (until being intentionally discontinued), for it to be considered commercially viable, or would it go in pulses.

u/Infninfn

\*Cheap power if they're able to commoditise building of fusion reactors, if there are more than enough to meet demand, and if they can be run with low operating and maintenance costs.

u/DoodleNoodle08

Its "limitless" in the fact that deuterium and tritium are easy to make cheaply and abundant. But at the end of the day it will be a power plant that requires people to build, run, and mainta

u/ProximaUniverse

This indeed, use lithium-6 plates to create tritium

u/Responsible-Room-645

Serious question: does the fusion reaction have to be constant and continuous (until being intentionally discontinued), for it to be considered commercially viable, or would it go in pulses.

u/Catty_Whompus

Tritium you say? The power of the sun? In the palm of my hand?

u/Schnort

> I pay €60 per month for all my energy needs—including transportation and heat. You should probably include your capital investment amortized over your expected lifespan of your system

u/boborian9

It needs to net enough energy from each pulse. Right now, a majority of the energy gained would go into the warmup phase, and likely not even enough to fully offset that. If the pulses produc

u/Winjin

Yep, same thinking, I was thinking we will just put separate LLMs into literally everything and make light-up pavements and flying cars that have to be recharged every 30 seconds via direct p

u/Diche_Bach

It is definitely fair to point out that, even after the prolonged period of R&D, followed by technology refinement and eventual integration as commercial services, fusion power plants may

u/JCDU

Cuppa tea? Nah fanks Turkish, ah'm sweet enuff already.

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/Gari_305: --- From the article In a recent experiment, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Plasma Physics sustained a stable p

u/wozwozwoz

I think basically whenever these articles are being published they are referring to scientific breakeven (just phenomena power in vs out) and not engineering breakeven. My primitive understan

u/thatguy01001010

Do you realize that almost all power generation is steam? Solar and wind aside. steam turbines are incredibly effective and in this age of technology they're extremely advanced and powerful.

u/Manaze85

It’s been an hour since this was posted, did I miss it?

u/GlobalWarminIsComing

In case you missed the joke: 60 months is 5 years Or I missed you building on the joke in which case I'm an idiot

u/browsinganono

Ha. Ha. Ha.

u/UnifiedQuantumField

Agree 100%. How so? * sCO₂ has a much higher energy density than steam. * It allows more power to be extracted per unit volume of working fluid. * Because of the thermophysical properties

u/boborian9

It needs to net enough energy from each pulse. Right now, a majority of the energy gained would go into the warmup phase, and likely not even enough to fully offset that. If the pulses produc

u/Vex1om

> which has achieved a Fusion Energy Gain Factor (power produced / power needed to run the reactor) of 1.5 This is very misleading. First of all, power produced is just the energy create

u/Superb_Raccoon

But... it's german.

u/Schnort

> I pay €60 per month for all my energy needs—including transportation and heat. You should probably include your capital investment amortized over your expected lifespan of your system

u/TheYang

> Solar is getting there in terms of cheap and limitless energy. Solar technically is fusion

u/StaysAwakeAllWeek

Tokamaks are the simplest practical magnetic confinement design so it's easier to design gigantic powerful magnets for them that can contain higher temperatures. But they are notoriously unst

u/linki98

Profile picture checks out. I guess nobody is allowed to start anywhere, can’t ask others, can’t read books, you just gotta be born and know it all already.

u/Putrid-Reputation-68

The reason it's not cheap and abundant is because there isn't a need to mass produce it yet. It would be very economical at scale

u/the_gouged_eye

I like to hold a basket of commodities, especially domestic primary metals. I am catching a lot of the upward momentum from tech developments without most of their downside risk and without m

u/Hanoverview

Yea... Do what you want .. i go install more solar panels und use the giant fusion ball in the sky.

u/ClaytonBiggsbie

I eagerly await the day when I get to begin paying a monthly subscription for this unlimited energy.

u/BoringBob84

> it's kinda stupid How is the fusion reactor that you have developed better than this one?

u/boborian9

It needs to net enough energy from each pulse. Right now, a majority of the energy gained would go into the warmup phase, and likely not even enough to fully offset that. If the pulses produc

u/wwarnout

So, only 29 years, 364 days, and 86,357 seconds to go.

u/Schnort

> I pay €60 per month for all my energy needs—including transportation and heat. You should probably include your capital investment amortized over your expected lifespan of your system

u/Super_Mario_Luigi

I think you misunderstood. Cost structure is more complex than the most simplistic internet opinion. How's the savings on the limitless solar power?

u/photovirus

> Maybe 43 seconds doesn’t sound like much, but it’s now the longest plasma duration ever in nuclear fusion, including tokamaks. Previously, the now-defunct JT60U Tokamak in Japan and the

u/thyL_

Yea, in a hundred years or so humans could reap the benefits of it. Maybe even earlier, you never know. But either way, we'd find a way to make it privatized bullshit anyway so the majority

u/Madgick

Where do you keep up to date on stuff like this? I bet there'd be some great one off podcasts out there on the subject, but it seems like 3 months out of date might be an eternity

u/Hanoverview

So far, I’m at 70% energy autarky. What’s missing is more batteries and more panels. At the moment, I have around 26 kWh of storage. I need more panels for winter. I pay €60 per month for all

u/IniNew

The power will be cheap, but say hello to astronomical “delivery” fees for the infrastructure to get it from the plant to your home

u/aVarangian

but the anti-capitalists are telling me this trillion-dollar-investment's results will be literally free and an exploitation of the common citisen?

u/DoodleNoodle08

Its "limitless" in the fact that deuterium and tritium are easy to make cheaply and abundant. But at the end of the day it will be a power plant that requires people to build, run, and mainta

u/LifeFeckinBrilliant

What a movie! Periwinkle blue boys.... 😂

u/Joke_of_a_Name

Was it TOTAL energy efficient? Q gained > Q input(total) ?

u/liuniao

The article says this record of 43 seconds includes tokamaks. I assume the article is wrong, just giving additional context to the comment above.

u/Catty_Whompus

Tritium you say? The power of the sun? In the palm of my hand?

u/rockbottomtraveler

Hmm google says previous record is 1337 seconds on February 12 2025 One of many sources: https://phys.org/news/2025-02-nuclear-fusion-west-machine-world.html

u/Glittering_Cow945

This is a very bad article for laymen with numerous errors and oversimplifications.

u/Hanoverview

Yea... Do what you want .. i go install more solar panels und use the giant fusion ball in the sky.

u/Gari_305

From the article In a recent experiment, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Plasma Physics sustained a stable plasma reaction in the Wendelstein 7-X for 43 seconds, reaching the “[t

u/Catty_Whompus

Tritium you say? The power of the sun? In the palm of my hand?

u/Juzam_Djinn_

What about the EAST project in China - Maybe that’s not the same thing?

u/Super_Mario_Luigi

I think you misunderstood. Cost structure is more complex than the most simplistic internet opinion. How's the savings on the limitless solar power?

u/ILikeWatching

It still looks like someone being proud they're able to juggle for almost a minute. No doubt in time they'll be able to keep the balls in the air for minutes at a time. But hours? Days?

u/MarkCuckerberg69420

Just to be clear, I was quoting Spider-Man 2.

u/Gari_305

From the article In a recent experiment, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Plasma Physics sustained a stable plasma reaction in the Wendelstein 7-X for 43 seconds, reaching the “[t

u/UnifiedQuantumField

Agree 100%. How so? * sCO₂ has a much higher energy density than steam. * It allows more power to be extracted per unit volume of working fluid. * Because of the thermophysical properties

u/browsinganono

Ha. Ha. Ha.

u/brewsntattoos

"Its fer me mah"

u/Manaze85

It’s been an hour since this was posted, did I miss it?

u/danielv123

The difference is that is a tokamak, this is a stellerator. Which one will be the best design is yet to be determined. From what I understand stellerators are more complicated mathematically

u/Different-Set4505

They have been saying we are close for 50 years, maybe in 100 years we get there, until then oil from the Middle East!

u/GlobalWarminIsComing

In case you missed the joke: 60 months is 5 years Or I missed you building on the joke in which case I'm an idiot

u/bikbar1

The cost of the infrastructure and labour is more than the raw material. Solar is practically free energy during the daytime in most of the world, but it still costs a lot to produce.

u/FreeNumber49

I’ve been following this story with bated breath…since 1951. Any day now!

u/activedusk

While confinement time matters, the most important metric is energy input vs output. If they did not have sufficient plasma burn it is just a fusor which is not very novel. We know how to was

u/liuniao

The article says this record of 43 seconds includes tokamaks. I assume the article is wrong, just giving additional context to the comment above.

u/narnerve

1337, sick. And yeah EAST mogs for operational times. I think 7-X could probably run for ages since its recent runs have been free of issues (that I know of) but they are very careful about

u/Different-Set4505

They have been saying we are close for 50 years, maybe in 100 years we get there, until then oil from the Middle East!

u/Winjin

I think you misunderstood what they're salty about - it's the fact that even if it's going to be limitless, it won't be free Then again these reactors aren't free, and humans will come up wi

u/ILikeWatching

It still looks like someone being proud they're able to juggle for almost a minute. No doubt in time they'll be able to keep the balls in the air for minutes at a time. But hours? Days?

u/maxawake

Well, its Unfortunately is not entirly trivial to harvest natural H Isotopes, but in principle a good reactor design can produce its own Isotopes through nuclear reactions in the wall of the

u/Nourios

I think this is it.

u/browsinganono

Ha. Ha. Ha.

u/Tower21

Sounds like you are experiencing one half of the Gell-Mann amnesia effect.

u/hrlft

Gasturbines don't use steam either. There are variants that use the "cold" gas to run a steam turbine as a 2nd stage, but even these get 2/3 of their energy from the gas turbine part.

u/wozwozwoz

I think basically whenever these articles are being published they are referring to scientific breakeven (just phenomena power in vs out) and not engineering breakeven. My primitive understan

u/thyL_

Yea, in a hundred years or so humans could reap the benefits of it. Maybe even earlier, you never know. But either way, we'd find a way to make it privatized bullshit anyway so the majority

u/KingRBPII

The oligarchy has pushed all the wealth gain into the private equity market. Unless you are one of them you can’t play. The only war is class war

u/JCDU

Cuppa tea? Nah fanks Turkish, ah'm sweet enuff already.

u/bikbar1

The cost of the infrastructure and labour is more than the raw material. Solar is practically free energy during the daytime in most of the world, but it still costs a lot to produce.

u/Nourios

I think this is it.

u/rogue_ger

I’m increasingly skeptical that even scientific breakthroughs are going to make things better for regular people. All that seems to happen is private concerns taking it over and then finding

u/Mr_Badgey

Ohhh. Thanks for clarifying. I guess the info I supplied is still useful if people want real life statistics and what can be done about it.

u/Stikes

Sauce on the 60 months though

u/51onions

That's interesting, do you know why a tokamak is better suited to higher temperatures, and a stellarator better suited to duration?

u/Thatingles

That was a much cooler plasma, they were testing plasma confinement at sub-fusion temperatures. Very different.

u/Dralex75

The supercritical CO2 turbines are making good progress to replace them.

u/Winjin

Yep, same thinking, I was thinking we will just put separate LLMs into literally everything and make light-up pavements and flying cars that have to be recharged every 30 seconds via direct p

u/communistkangu

It is. Very interesting.

u/Hanoverview

Yea... Do what you want .. i go install more solar panels und use the giant fusion ball in the sky.

u/Stikes

Sauce on the 60 months though

u/JCDU

It would not have to be constant and continuous but it would need to be able to pump out an average amount of continuous heat to turn turbines etc. to be worthwhile.

u/Catty_Whompus

Tritium you say? The power of the sun? In the palm of my hand?

u/MrZwink

Itll never be free, but with fusion energy might become as abundant as water.

u/LapsedVerneGagKnee

I think a friend of mine made a good point when he declared that the problem is no longer a theoretical one, it's just an absurdly complicated engineering one. At least the latter is solvabl

u/Portdawgg

What stocks can I look at to possibly invest in for fusion?

u/DoodleNoodle08

Its "limitless" in the fact that deuterium and tritium are easy to make cheaply and abundant. But at the end of the day it will be a power plant that requires people to build, run, and mainta

u/Stikes

Sauce on the 60 months though

u/photovirus

> Maybe 43 seconds doesn’t sound like much, but it’s now the longest plasma duration ever in nuclear fusion, including tokamaks. Previously, the now-defunct JT60U Tokamak in Japan and the

u/Diche_Bach

It is definitely fair to point out that, even after the prolonged period of R&D, followed by technology refinement and eventual integration as commercial services, fusion power plants may

u/Mr_Badgey

It’s actually kilorams not pounds. But your statement there’s a very limited natural supply is correct. However we can theoretically make it using other elements that are more plentiful. In f

u/Madgick

Where do you keep up to date on stuff like this? I bet there'd be some great one off podcasts out there on the subject, but it seems like 3 months out of date might be an eternity

u/wozwozwoz

I think basically whenever these articles are being published they are referring to scientific breakeven (just phenomena power in vs out) and not engineering breakeven. My primitive understan

u/boborian9

It needs to net enough energy from each pulse. Right now, a majority of the energy gained would go into the warmup phase, and likely not even enough to fully offset that. If the pulses produc

u/Responsible-Room-645

Serious question: does the fusion reaction have to be constant and continuous (until being intentionally discontinued), for it to be considered commercially viable, or would it go in pulses.

u/Glittering_Cow945

This is a very bad article for laymen with numerous errors and oversimplifications.

u/more_bananajamas

Invest in everything cos that's the breadth of impact of something like this. It's too risky to invest in individual companies or even narrowly defined thematic funds. Particularly at the e

u/[deleted]

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u/activedusk

While confinement time matters, the most important metric is energy input vs output. If they did not have sufficient plasma burn it is just a fusor which is not very novel. We know how to was

u/sciencesanfrontier

'Sustainable commercial fusion just 15 years from now', every year for the last 60+ years

u/Hanoverview

Yea... Do what you want .. i go install more solar panels und use the giant fusion ball in the sky.

u/pyrrhios

and don't forget the cost of the infrastructure to get it to your home.

u/Negative-Highlight41

You can start reading at valueinvestment here at reddit, read pinned resources, etc. And with time you might develop sound investing strategies. But in general just invest into global index f

u/Schnort

> I pay €60 per month for all my energy needs—including transportation and heat. You should probably include your capital investment amortized over your expected lifespan of your system

u/communistkangu

It is. Very interesting.

u/MarkCuckerberg69420

Just to be clear, I was quoting Spider-Man 2.

u/maxawake

Well, its Unfortunately is not entirly trivial to harvest natural H Isotopes, but in principle a good reactor design can produce its own Isotopes through nuclear reactions in the wall of the

u/Winjin

Yep, same thinking, I was thinking we will just put separate LLMs into literally everything and make light-up pavements and flying cars that have to be recharged every 30 seconds via direct p

u/Maghorn_Mobile

You can't really invest in fusion directly, but you could look at energy companies that will eventually start building the infrastructure when it becomes viable and any support industries tha

u/Diche_Bach

Limitless" is an exaggeration. A more accurate description would be abundant, relatively less expensive, relatively cleaner, and relatively low-risk. Even once sustained fusion becomes techni

u/Mr_Badgey

Ohhh. Thanks for clarifying. I guess the info I supplied is still useful if people want real life statistics and what can be done about it.

u/Moose_Nuts

> Max Planck I always thought his name was a bit of an oxymoron.

u/IniNew

The power will be cheap, but say hello to astronomical “delivery” fees for the infrastructure to get it from the plant to your home

u/StaysAwakeAllWeek

Tokamaks are the simplest practical magnetic confinement design so it's easier to design gigantic powerful magnets for them that can contain higher temperatures. But they are notoriously unst

u/Hanoverview

So far, I’m at 70% energy autarky. What’s missing is more batteries and more panels. At the moment, I have around 26 kWh of storage. I need more panels for winter. I pay €60 per month for all

u/TheYang

> Solar is getting there in terms of cheap and limitless energy. Solar technically is fusion

u/estransza

You already doing it. It’s called “electricity bill”.

u/boborian9

It needs to net enough energy from each pulse. Right now, a majority of the energy gained would go into the warmup phase, and likely not even enough to fully offset that. If the pulses produc

u/Superb_Raccoon

But... it's german.

u/UnifiedQuantumField

Agree 100%. How so? * sCO₂ has a much higher energy density than steam. * It allows more power to be extracted per unit volume of working fluid. * Because of the thermophysical properties

u/doogiehowitzer1

I have a simple solution for this problem. We should just combine the two and make a tokellerator. I’ll get to emailing relevant parties. I can’t wait to claim my Nobel prize.

u/Winjin

Yep, same thinking, I was thinking we will just put separate LLMs into literally everything and make light-up pavements and flying cars that have to be recharged every 30 seconds via direct p

u/KingRBPII

The oligarchy has pushed all the wealth gain into the private equity market. Unless you are one of them you can’t play. The only war is class war

u/ThMogget

I agree with that except the *inexpensive* part. Fusion addresses none of nuclear’s cost problems, assuming it is used as a source of heat for a giant steam turbine system.

u/wwarnout

So, only 29 years, 364 days, and 86,357 seconds to go.

u/MarkCuckerberg69420

Just to be clear, I was quoting Spider-Man 2.

u/ClaytonBiggsbie

I eagerly await the day when I get to begin paying a monthly subscription for this unlimited energy.

u/Glittering_Cow945

This is a very bad article for laymen with numerous errors and oversimplifications.

u/bobtheavenger

It's harvesting energy produced by fusion, but I doubt similar tech would work for actually harvesting fusion reactions. And couldn't all energy technically be called from fusion at that poi

u/woolcoat

Decades ago, I viewed fusion as the holy grail of limitless energy that’ll revolutionize society and bring in an era lacking in want. I definite don’t believe that anymore now that I’m older.

u/Superb_Raccoon

But... it's german.

u/zabby39103

The fusion methods proposed by TAE and also Helion would not need steam. Regardless, steam turbines are perfectly fine tech that we've perfected. There's nothing wrong with them. Toilets a

u/Stikes

Sauce on the 60 months though

u/SameString9001

CIA (on behalf of the oil companies) is going to kill all and any effort in this regard.

u/leddhedd

Every 43 seconds we are 43 seconds closer to "insert energy milestone here" Might have sounded like a cool title but it's kinda stupid unless you know sustaining a reaction for 43 seconds is

u/Alis451

> or would it go in pulses there are some facilities that are actually testing that right now [A fusion pulse reactor](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlNfP3iywvI), Helion

u/Schnort

> I pay €60 per month for all my energy needs—including transportation and heat. You should probably include your capital investment amortized over your expected lifespan of your system

u/maxawake

Well, its Unfortunately is not entirly trivial to harvest natural H Isotopes, but in principle a good reactor design can produce its own Isotopes through nuclear reactions in the wall of the

u/IniNew

The power will be cheap, but say hello to astronomical “delivery” fees for the infrastructure to get it from the plant to your home

u/doogiehowitzer1

I have a simple solution for this problem. We should just combine the two and make a tokellerator. I’ll get to emailing relevant parties. I can’t wait to claim my Nobel prize.

u/Moose_Nuts

> Max Planck I always thought his name was a bit of an oxymoron.

u/Vex1om

> which has achieved a Fusion Energy Gain Factor (power produced / power needed to run the reactor) of 1.5 This is very misleading. First of all, power produced is just the energy create

u/Gari_305

>Does no one joke around anymore? If you're going to joke around it's best to add a[ /jk after your statement ](https://www.google.com/search?q=%2Fjk+meaning&sca_esv=f91f1cbd7359997

u/bobtheavenger

It's harvesting energy produced by fusion, but I doubt similar tech would work for actually harvesting fusion reactions. And couldn't all energy technically be called from fusion at that poi

u/Nourios

I think this is it.

u/HenryTheWho

This shit all over, first we were not even able to reach ignition, we lacked materials and even basic understanding of fusion process. Because some semi literate headline chasing so called j

u/Responsible-Room-645

Thanks for the explanation 🙏

u/Nourios

I think this is it.

u/ClaytonBiggsbie

I eagerly await the day when I get to begin paying a monthly subscription for this unlimited energy.

u/MrZwink

Itll never be free, but with fusion energy might become as abundant as water.

u/ManaSkies

Yes. It would need 100% uptime to be viable. Fusions drawback is that it's really expensive to turn on and really hard to keep on. We have mostly fixed that first problem but the second is

u/JCDU

It would not have to be constant and continuous but it would need to be able to pump out an average amount of continuous heat to turn turbines etc. to be worthwhile.

u/hrlft

Gasturbines don't use steam either. There are variants that use the "cold" gas to run a steam turbine as a 2nd stage, but even these get 2/3 of their energy from the gas turbine part.

u/Different-Set4505

They have been saying we are close for 50 years, maybe in 100 years we get there, until then oil from the Middle East!

u/MrZwink

Itll never be free, but with fusion energy might become as abundant as water.

u/Juzam_Djinn_

What about the EAST project in China - Maybe that’s not the same thing?

u/That-Makes-Sense

Fusion energy - The energy of the future, and always will be.

u/Psychological-Fix-51

Those kind of heavy-investment are generally not made by the private sector but by public funding. In France highway, nuclear power plant, telecom and more are state fondée then re-sell for c

u/Manaze85

It’s been an hour since this was posted, did I miss it?

u/Hanoverview

So far, I’m at 70% energy autarky. What’s missing is more batteries and more panels. At the moment, I have around 26 kWh of storage. I need more panels for winter. I pay €60 per month for all

u/Nourios

I think this is it.

u/more_bananajamas

Invest in everything cos that's the breadth of impact of something like this. It's too risky to invest in individual companies or even narrowly defined thematic funds. Particularly at the e

u/JCDU

Cuppa tea? Nah fanks Turkish, ah'm sweet enuff already.

u/Responsible-Room-645

Thanks for the explanation 🙏

u/ProximaUniverse

This indeed, use lithium-6 plates to create tritium

u/MarkCuckerberg69420

Just to be clear, I was quoting Spider-Man 2.

u/aVarangian

but the anti-capitalists are telling me this trillion-dollar-investment's results will be literally free and an exploitation of the common citisen?

u/StaysAwakeAllWeek

Tokamaks are the simplest practical magnetic confinement design so it's easier to design gigantic powerful magnets for them that can contain higher temperatures. But they are notoriously unst

u/El_Grappadura

4% of energy used is nuclear power, 21% of imports. Germany exports way more clean energy than nuclear power imports, especially to France. Please stop repeating propaganda... https://www

u/Alis451

> or would it go in pulses there are some facilities that are actually testing that right now [A fusion pulse reactor](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlNfP3iywvI), Helion

u/aVarangian

but the anti-capitalists are telling me this trillion-dollar-investment's results will be literally free and an exploitation of the common citisen?

u/ProximaUniverse

This indeed, use lithium-6 plates to create tritium

u/LifeFeckinBrilliant

Zee Germans Tommy?

u/Mr_Badgey

It’s actually kilorams not pounds. But your statement there’s a very limited natural supply is correct. However we can theoretically make it using other elements that are more plentiful. In f

u/That-Makes-Sense

Fusion energy - The energy of the future, and always will be.

u/rogue_ger

I’m increasingly skeptical that even scientific breakthroughs are going to make things better for regular people. All that seems to happen is private concerns taking it over and then finding

u/GodOne

It’s funny it comes from Germany. I thought we were stoked to get by with wind and sun…in Germany.

u/woolcoat

Decades ago, I viewed fusion as the holy grail of limitless energy that’ll revolutionize society and bring in an era lacking in want. I definite don’t believe that anymore now that I’m older.

u/KingRBPII

The oligarchy has pushed all the wealth gain into the private equity market. Unless you are one of them you can’t play. The only war is class war

u/moore112682

Expensive to build and maintain + cheap power = expensive power

u/JCDU

It would not have to be constant and continuous but it would need to be able to pump out an average amount of continuous heat to turn turbines etc. to be worthwhile.

u/pyrrhios

and don't forget the cost of the infrastructure to get it to your home.

u/hrlft

Gasturbines don't use steam either. There are variants that use the "cold" gas to run a steam turbine as a 2nd stage, but even these get 2/3 of their energy from the gas turbine part.

u/browsinganono

Ha. Ha. Ha.

u/bobtheavenger

It's harvesting energy produced by fusion, but I doubt similar tech would work for actually harvesting fusion reactions. And couldn't all energy technically be called from fusion at that poi

u/StaysAwakeAllWeek

Stellarators like Wendelstein 7-X are specifically designed to be able to reach longer plasma durations than tokamaks. Seeing one take the record for the longest plasma is entirely unsurprisi

u/bikbar1

The cost of the infrastructure and labour is more than the raw material. Solar is practically free energy during the daytime in most of the world, but it still costs a lot to produce.

u/leddhedd

Every 43 seconds we are 43 seconds closer to "insert energy milestone here" Might have sounded like a cool title but it's kinda stupid unless you know sustaining a reaction for 43 seconds is

u/boborian9

It needs to net enough energy from each pulse. Right now, a majority of the energy gained would go into the warmup phase, and likely not even enough to fully offset that. If the pulses produc

u/Portdawgg

What stocks can I look at to possibly invest in for fusion?

u/LifeFeckinBrilliant

Zee Germans Tommy?

u/Moose_Nuts

> Max Planck I always thought his name was a bit of an oxymoron.

u/TheYang

> Solar is getting there in terms of cheap and limitless energy. Solar technically is fusion

u/ClaytonBiggsbie

I eagerly await the day when I get to begin paying a monthly subscription for this unlimited energy.

u/MrZwink

Itll never be free, but with fusion energy might become as abundant as water.

u/Superb_Raccoon

But... it's german.

u/ClaytonBiggsbie

I eagerly await the day when I get to begin paying a monthly subscription for this unlimited energy.

u/davocn

Maybe that was just the longest time a plasma has been sustained, even at low levels. Then is 43 seconds the longest fusion grade performance has been achieved?

u/MarkCuckerberg69420

OP is wrong. Tritium is not abundant. There’s only 25 pounds of it on the whole planet!

u/Responsible-Room-645

Serious question: does the fusion reaction have to be constant and continuous (until being intentionally discontinued), for it to be considered commercially viable, or would it go in pulses.

u/HenryTheWho

This shit all over, first we were not even able to reach ignition, we lacked materials and even basic understanding of fusion process. Because some semi literate headline chasing so called j

u/LifeFeckinBrilliant

Zee Germans Tommy?

u/blobbyboy123

Will have to play a 30 second ad every time I turn the lights on

u/Psychological-Fix-51

Those kind of heavy-investment are generally not made by the private sector but by public funding. In France highway, nuclear power plant, telecom and more are state fondée then re-sell for c

u/Putrid-Reputation-68

The reason it's not cheap and abundant is because there isn't a need to mass produce it yet. It would be very economical at scale

u/BoringBob84

Do you have a PhD and are you contributing to the research, or are you just sitting on the sidelines, contributing nothing and criticizing the people who are doing the difficult work?

u/JCDU

Cuppa tea? Nah fanks Turkish, ah'm sweet enuff already.

u/LapsedVerneGagKnee

I think a friend of mine made a good point when he declared that the problem is no longer a theoretical one, it's just an absurdly complicated engineering one. At least the latter is solvabl

u/Vulture-Bee-6174

And there is a big chance that the energy will generated via steam...like in the 1800s

u/DoodleNoodle08

Its "limitless" in the fact that deuterium and tritium are easy to make cheaply and abundant. But at the end of the day it will be a power plant that requires people to build, run, and mainta

u/BoringBob84

> it's kinda stupid How is the fusion reactor that you have developed better than this one?

u/Moose_Nuts

> Max Planck I always thought his name was a bit of an oxymoron.

u/photovirus

> Maybe 43 seconds doesn’t sound like much, but it’s now the longest plasma duration ever in nuclear fusion, including tokamaks. Previously, the now-defunct JT60U Tokamak in Japan and the

u/Alis451

> or would it go in pulses there are some facilities that are actually testing that right now [A fusion pulse reactor](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlNfP3iywvI), Helion

u/red75prime

Infrastructure like in existing power transmission lines and power balancing equipment that was built for rotating generators? Solar will require significant changes to that: HVDC lines, sma

u/Gari_305

[Gas industry is investing in fusion energy ](https://mexicobusiness.news/oilandgas/news/oil-industry-explores-viability-nuclear-fusion)

u/doogiehowitzer1

I have a simple solution for this problem. We should just combine the two and make a tokellerator. I’ll get to emailing relevant parties. I can’t wait to claim my Nobel prize.

u/Schnort

> I pay €60 per month for all my energy needs—including transportation and heat. You should probably include your capital investment amortized over your expected lifespan of your system

u/ThMogget

I agree with that except the *inexpensive* part. Fusion addresses none of nuclear’s cost problems, assuming it is used as a source of heat for a giant steam turbine system.

u/wwarnout

So, only 29 years, 364 days, and 86,357 seconds to go.

u/estransza

You already doing it. It’s called “electricity bill”.

u/Mr_Badgey

It’s actually kilorams not pounds. But your statement there’s a very limited natural supply is correct. However we can theoretically make it using other elements that are more plentiful. In f

u/KingRBPII

The oligarchy has pushed all the wealth gain into the private equity market. Unless you are one of them you can’t play. The only war is class war

u/bobtheavenger

It's harvesting energy produced by fusion, but I doubt similar tech would work for actually harvesting fusion reactions. And couldn't all energy technically be called from fusion at that poi

u/Catty_Whompus

Tritium you say? The power of the sun? In the palm of my hand?

u/Tower21

Sounds like you are experiencing one half of the Gell-Mann amnesia effect.

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u/Tacosaurusman

All cheap energy will be used to power bitcoin transactions, until energy is costly again.

u/Dralex75

The supercritical CO2 turbines are making good progress to replace them.

u/Schnort

> I pay €60 per month for all my energy needs—including transportation and heat. You should probably include your capital investment amortized over your expected lifespan of your system

u/Dralex75

The supercritical CO2 turbines are making good progress to replace them.

u/Stikes

Naw, i was clambering onto your good joke 😆

u/rogue_ger

I’m increasingly skeptical that even scientific breakthroughs are going to make things better for regular people. All that seems to happen is private concerns taking it over and then finding

u/Glittering_Cow945

This is a very bad article for laymen with numerous errors and oversimplifications.

u/aVarangian

but the anti-capitalists are telling me this trillion-dollar-investment's results will be literally free and an exploitation of the common citisen?

u/Super_Mario_Luigi

I think you misunderstood. Cost structure is more complex than the most simplistic internet opinion. How's the savings on the limitless solar power?

u/HenryTheWho

This shit all over, first we were not even able to reach ignition, we lacked materials and even basic understanding of fusion process. Because some semi literate headline chasing so called j

u/IniNew

The power will be cheap, but say hello to astronomical “delivery” fees for the infrastructure to get it from the plant to your home

u/dejamintwo

But in the end its just hydrogen which is the most common element.

u/Different-Set4505

They have been saying we are close for 50 years, maybe in 100 years we get there, until then oil from the Middle East!

u/Meethor_smash

It's Pizza time!

u/Vex1om

> which has achieved a Fusion Energy Gain Factor (power produced / power needed to run the reactor) of 1.5 This is very misleading. First of all, power produced is just the energy create

u/ILikeWatching

It still looks like someone being proud they're able to juggle for almost a minute. No doubt in time they'll be able to keep the balls in the air for minutes at a time. But hours? Days?

u/Gari_305

From the article In a recent experiment, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Plasma Physics sustained a stable plasma reaction in the Wendelstein 7-X for 43 seconds, reaching the “[t

u/Smartnership

TL;DR: Fusion is no longer 5 years away. Now it’s just 60 months out. *Months*, people. We’re down to months.

u/LifeFeckinBrilliant

What a movie! Periwinkle blue boys.... 😂

u/HenryTheWho

This shit all over, first we were not even able to reach ignition, we lacked materials and even basic understanding of fusion process. Because some semi literate headline chasing so called j

u/HenryTheWho

This shit all over, first we were not even able to reach ignition, we lacked materials and even basic understanding of fusion process. Because some semi literate headline chasing so called j

u/LifeFeckinBrilliant

Zee Germans Tommy?

u/photovirus

> Maybe 43 seconds doesn’t sound like much, but it’s now the longest plasma duration ever in nuclear fusion, including tokamaks. Previously, the now-defunct JT60U Tokamak in Japan and the

u/Hanoverview

So far, I’m at 70% energy autarky. What’s missing is more batteries and more panels. At the moment, I have around 26 kWh of storage. I need more panels for winter. I pay €60 per month for all

u/StaysAwakeAllWeek

Stellarators like Wendelstein 7-X are specifically designed to be able to reach longer plasma durations than tokamaks. Seeing one take the record for the longest plasma is entirely unsurprisi

u/KingRBPII

The oligarchy has pushed all the wealth gain into the private equity market. Unless you are one of them you can’t play. The only war is class war

u/Mr_Badgey

Ohhh. Thanks for clarifying. I guess the info I supplied is still useful if people want real life statistics and what can be done about it.

u/brewsntattoos

"Its fer me mah"

u/BoringBob84

> it's kinda stupid How is the fusion reactor that you have developed better than this one?

u/Glittering_Cow945

This is a very bad article for laymen with numerous errors and oversimplifications.

u/LifeFeckinBrilliant

Zee Germans Tommy?

u/Hanoverview

Yea... Do what you want .. i go install more solar panels und use the giant fusion ball in the sky.

u/ProximaUniverse

This indeed, use lithium-6 plates to create tritium

u/UnifiedQuantumField

Agree 100%. How so? * sCO₂ has a much higher energy density than steam. * It allows more power to be extracted per unit volume of working fluid. * Because of the thermophysical properties

u/activedusk

While confinement time matters, the most important metric is energy input vs output. If they did not have sufficient plasma burn it is just a fusor which is not very novel. We know how to was

u/airfryerfuntime

You'll pay an arbitrary number and like it!

u/danielv123

The difference is that is a tokamak, this is a stellerator. Which one will be the best design is yet to be determined. From what I understand stellerators are more complicated mathematically

u/sciencesanfrontier

'Sustainable commercial fusion just 15 years from now', every year for the last 60+ years

u/ILikeWatching

It still looks like someone being proud they're able to juggle for almost a minute. No doubt in time they'll be able to keep the balls in the air for minutes at a time. But hours? Days?

u/Hanoverview

So far, I’m at 70% energy autarky. What’s missing is more batteries and more panels. At the moment, I have around 26 kWh of storage. I need more panels for winter. I pay €60 per month for all

u/more_bananajamas

Invest in everything cos that's the breadth of impact of something like this. It's too risky to invest in individual companies or even narrowly defined thematic funds. Particularly at the e

u/MarkCuckerberg69420

Just to be clear, I was quoting Spider-Man 2.

u/estransza

You already doing it. It’s called “electricity bill”.

u/Mr_Badgey

It’s actually kilorams not pounds. But your statement there’s a very limited natural supply is correct. However we can theoretically make it using other elements that are more plentiful. In f

u/Alis451

> or would it go in pulses there are some facilities that are actually testing that right now [A fusion pulse reactor](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlNfP3iywvI), Helion

u/rockbottomtraveler

Hmm google says previous record is 1337 seconds on February 12 2025 One of many sources: https://phys.org/news/2025-02-nuclear-fusion-west-machine-world.html

u/Joke_of_a_Name

Was it TOTAL energy efficient? Q gained > Q input(total) ?

u/Winjin

Yep, same thinking, I was thinking we will just put separate LLMs into literally everything and make light-up pavements and flying cars that have to be recharged every 30 seconds via direct p

u/Diche_Bach

Limitless" is an exaggeration. A more accurate description would be abundant, relatively less expensive, relatively cleaner, and relatively low-risk. Even once sustained fusion becomes techni

u/Diche_Bach

It is definitely fair to point out that, even after the prolonged period of R&D, followed by technology refinement and eventual integration as commercial services, fusion power plants may

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/Gari_305: --- From the article In a recent experiment, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Plasma Physics sustained a stable p

u/Vex1om

> which has achieved a Fusion Energy Gain Factor (power produced / power needed to run the reactor) of 1.5 This is very misleading. First of all, power produced is just the energy create

u/FromTralfamadore

Asking others is a type of, “doing your own research.” I would advise you not to advise.

u/Stikes

Sauce on the 60 months though

u/blobbyboy123

Will have to play a 30 second ad every time I turn the lights on

u/browsinganono

Ha. Ha. Ha.

u/pyrrhios

and don't forget the cost of the infrastructure to get it to your home.

u/LifeFeckinBrilliant

What a movie! Periwinkle blue boys.... 😂

u/thyL_

Yea, in a hundred years or so humans could reap the benefits of it. Maybe even earlier, you never know. But either way, we'd find a way to make it privatized bullshit anyway so the majority

u/Thatingles

That was a much cooler plasma, they were testing plasma confinement at sub-fusion temperatures. Very different.

u/dejamintwo

But in the end its just hydrogen which is the most common element.

u/ILikeWatching

It still looks like someone being proud they're able to juggle for almost a minute. No doubt in time they'll be able to keep the balls in the air for minutes at a time. But hours? Days?

u/Nourios

I think this is it.

u/Glum_Selection7115

Imagine a future powered by this. There's so much potential.

u/ProximaUniverse

This indeed, use lithium-6 plates to create tritium

u/StaysAwakeAllWeek

Tokamaks are the simplest practical magnetic confinement design so it's easier to design gigantic powerful magnets for them that can contain higher temperatures. But they are notoriously unst

u/wwarnout

So, only 29 years, 364 days, and 86,357 seconds to go.

u/bikbar1

The cost of the infrastructure and labour is more than the raw material. Solar is practically free energy during the daytime in most of the world, but it still costs a lot to produce.

u/wwarnout

So, only 29 years, 364 days, and 86,357 seconds to go.

u/Manaze85

It’s been an hour since this was posted, did I miss it?

u/estransza

You already doing it. It’s called “electricity bill”.

u/Mr_Badgey

Ohhh. Thanks for clarifying. I guess the info I supplied is still useful if people want real life statistics and what can be done about it.

u/doogiehowitzer1

I have a simple solution for this problem. We should just combine the two and make a tokellerator. I’ll get to emailing relevant parties. I can’t wait to claim my Nobel prize.

u/Winjin

Yep, same thinking, I was thinking we will just put separate LLMs into literally everything and make light-up pavements and flying cars that have to be recharged every 30 seconds via direct p

u/boborian9

It needs to net enough energy from each pulse. Right now, a majority of the energy gained would go into the warmup phase, and likely not even enough to fully offset that. If the pulses produc

u/Winjin

Yep, same thinking, I was thinking we will just put separate LLMs into literally everything and make light-up pavements and flying cars that have to be recharged every 30 seconds via direct p

u/rogue_ger

I’m increasingly skeptical that even scientific breakthroughs are going to make things better for regular people. All that seems to happen is private concerns taking it over and then finding

u/thatguy01001010

Do you realize that almost all power generation is steam? Solar and wind aside. steam turbines are incredibly effective and in this age of technology they're extremely advanced and powerful.

u/hrlft

Gasturbines don't use steam either. There are variants that use the "cold" gas to run a steam turbine as a 2nd stage, but even these get 2/3 of their energy from the gas turbine part.

u/Joke_of_a_Name

Was it TOTAL energy efficient? Q gained > Q input(total) ?

u/sciencesanfrontier

'Sustainable commercial fusion just 15 years from now', every year for the last 60+ years

u/Portdawgg

What stocks can I look at to possibly invest in for fusion?

u/Maghorn_Mobile

You can't really invest in fusion directly, but you could look at energy companies that will eventually start building the infrastructure when it becomes viable and any support industries tha

u/Alis451

> or would it go in pulses there are some facilities that are actually testing that right now [A fusion pulse reactor](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlNfP3iywvI), Helion

u/narnerve

1337, sick. And yeah EAST mogs for operational times. I think 7-X could probably run for ages since its recent runs have been free of issues (that I know of) but they are very careful about

u/liuniao

The article says this record of 43 seconds includes tokamaks. I assume the article is wrong, just giving additional context to the comment above.

u/ProximaUniverse

This indeed, use lithium-6 plates to create tritium

u/wozwozwoz

I think basically whenever these articles are being published they are referring to scientific breakeven (just phenomena power in vs out) and not engineering breakeven. My primitive understan

u/more_bananajamas

Invest in everything cos that's the breadth of impact of something like this. It's too risky to invest in individual companies or even narrowly defined thematic funds. Particularly at the e

u/Smartnership

TL;DR: Fusion is no longer 5 years away. Now it’s just 60 months out. *Months*, people. We’re down to months.

u/Responsible-Room-645

Thanks for the explanation 🙏

u/woolcoat

Decades ago, I viewed fusion as the holy grail of limitless energy that’ll revolutionize society and bring in an era lacking in want. I definite don’t believe that anymore now that I’m older.

u/Diche_Bach

Limitless" is an exaggeration. A more accurate description would be abundant, relatively less expensive, relatively cleaner, and relatively low-risk. Even once sustained fusion becomes techni

u/BoringBob84

Yes, solar energy is almost limitless, but it is not consistent. Having a source like nuclear fusion to provide base load when other sources cannot produce enough would be wonderful. As it is

u/rogue_ger

I’m increasingly skeptical that even scientific breakthroughs are going to make things better for regular people. All that seems to happen is private concerns taking it over and then finding

u/davocn

Maybe that was just the longest time a plasma has been sustained, even at low levels. Then is 43 seconds the longest fusion grade performance has been achieved?

u/Juzam_Djinn_

What about the EAST project in China - Maybe that’s not the same thing?

u/Infninfn

\*Cheap power if they're able to commoditise building of fusion reactors, if there are more than enough to meet demand, and if they can be run with low operating and maintenance costs.

u/bobtheavenger

It's harvesting energy produced by fusion, but I doubt similar tech would work for actually harvesting fusion reactions. And couldn't all energy technically be called from fusion at that poi

u/JCDU

It would not have to be constant and continuous but it would need to be able to pump out an average amount of continuous heat to turn turbines etc. to be worthwhile.

u/pyrrhios

and don't forget the cost of the infrastructure to get it to your home.

u/Hanoverview

Yea... Do what you want .. i go install more solar panels und use the giant fusion ball in the sky.

u/BoringBob84

Yes, solar energy is almost limitless, but it is not consistent. Having a source like nuclear fusion to provide base load when other sources cannot produce enough would be wonderful. As it is

u/Winjin

I think you misunderstood what they're salty about - it's the fact that even if it's going to be limitless, it won't be free Then again these reactors aren't free, and humans will come up wi

u/bikbar1

The cost of the infrastructure and labour is more than the raw material. Solar is practically free energy during the daytime in most of the world, but it still costs a lot to produce.

u/StaysAwakeAllWeek

Stellarators like Wendelstein 7-X are specifically designed to be able to reach longer plasma durations than tokamaks. Seeing one take the record for the longest plasma is entirely unsurprisi

u/MarkCuckerberg69420

Just to be clear, I was quoting Spider-Man 2.

u/danielv123

Oh well. Science communicators are good at keeping things confusing in their own ways.

u/hrlft

Gasturbines don't use steam either. There are variants that use the "cold" gas to run a steam turbine as a 2nd stage, but even these get 2/3 of their energy from the gas turbine part.

u/the_gouged_eye

I like to hold a basket of commodities, especially domestic primary metals. I am catching a lot of the upward momentum from tech developments without most of their downside risk and without m

u/JCDU

Cuppa tea? Nah fanks Turkish, ah'm sweet enuff already.

u/Tower21

Sounds like you are experiencing one half of the Gell-Mann amnesia effect.

u/LifeFeckinBrilliant

What a movie! Periwinkle blue boys.... 😂

u/MarkCuckerberg69420

OP is wrong. Tritium is not abundant. There’s only 25 pounds of it on the whole planet!

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u/That-Makes-Sense

Fusion energy - The energy of the future, and always will be.

u/Super_Mario_Luigi

I think you misunderstood. Cost structure is more complex than the most simplistic internet opinion. How's the savings on the limitless solar power?

u/red75prime

Infrastructure like in existing power transmission lines and power balancing equipment that was built for rotating generators? Solar will require significant changes to that: HVDC lines, sma

u/Juzam_Djinn_

What about the EAST project in China - Maybe that’s not the same thing?

u/estransza

You already doing it. It’s called “electricity bill”.

u/thyL_

Yea, in a hundred years or so humans could reap the benefits of it. Maybe even earlier, you never know. But either way, we'd find a way to make it privatized bullshit anyway so the majority

u/Moose_Nuts

> Max Planck I always thought his name was a bit of an oxymoron.

u/Gari_305

From the article In a recent experiment, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Plasma Physics sustained a stable plasma reaction in the Wendelstein 7-X for 43 seconds, reaching the “[t

u/ThMogget

I agree with that except the *inexpensive* part. Fusion addresses none of nuclear’s cost problems, assuming it is used as a source of heat for a giant steam turbine system.

u/LifeFeckinBrilliant

Zee Germans Tommy?

u/Responsible-Room-645

Serious question: does the fusion reaction have to be constant and continuous (until being intentionally discontinued), for it to be considered commercially viable, or would it go in pulses.

u/ThMogget

I agree with that except the *inexpensive* part. Fusion addresses none of nuclear’s cost problems, assuming it is used as a source of heat for a giant steam turbine system.

u/ProximaUniverse

This indeed, use lithium-6 plates to create tritium

u/photovirus

> Maybe 43 seconds doesn’t sound like much, but it’s now the longest plasma duration ever in nuclear fusion, including tokamaks. Previously, the now-defunct JT60U Tokamak in Japan and the

u/Meethor_smash

It's Pizza time!

u/danielv123

The difference is that is a tokamak, this is a stellerator. Which one will be the best design is yet to be determined. From what I understand stellerators are more complicated mathematically

u/Maghorn_Mobile

You can't really invest in fusion directly, but you could look at energy companies that will eventually start building the infrastructure when it becomes viable and any support industries tha

u/JCDU

Cuppa tea? Nah fanks Turkish, ah'm sweet enuff already.

u/danielv123

The difference is that is a tokamak, this is a stellerator. Which one will be the best design is yet to be determined. From what I understand stellerators are more complicated mathematically

u/Portdawgg

What stocks can I look at to possibly invest in for fusion?

u/MarkCuckerberg69420

OP is wrong. Tritium is not abundant. There’s only 25 pounds of it on the whole planet!

u/Manaze85

It’s been an hour since this was posted, did I miss it?

u/hrlft

Gasturbines don't use steam either. There are variants that use the "cold" gas to run a steam turbine as a 2nd stage, but even these get 2/3 of their energy from the gas turbine part.

u/Hanoverview

So far, I’m at 70% energy autarky. What’s missing is more batteries and more panels. At the moment, I have around 26 kWh of storage. I need more panels for winter. I pay €60 per month for all

u/Stikes

Naw, i was clambering onto your good joke 😆

u/DoodleNoodle08

Its "limitless" in the fact that deuterium and tritium are easy to make cheaply and abundant. But at the end of the day it will be a power plant that requires people to build, run, and mainta

u/Mr_Badgey

Ohhh. Thanks for clarifying. I guess the info I supplied is still useful if people want real life statistics and what can be done about it.

u/That-Makes-Sense

Fusion energy - The energy of the future, and always will be.

u/LifeFeckinBrilliant

What a movie! Periwinkle blue boys.... 😂

u/hrlft

Gasturbines don't use steam either. There are variants that use the "cold" gas to run a steam turbine as a 2nd stage, but even these get 2/3 of their energy from the gas turbine part.

u/Madgick

Where do you keep up to date on stuff like this? I bet there'd be some great one off podcasts out there on the subject, but it seems like 3 months out of date might be an eternity

u/Joke_of_a_Name

Was it TOTAL energy efficient? Q gained > Q input(total) ?

u/El_Grappadura

[Video of german professor explaining what happened](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOZ6p2o6O14)

u/Infninfn

\*Cheap power if they're able to commoditise building of fusion reactors, if there are more than enough to meet demand, and if they can be run with low operating and maintenance costs.

u/Superb_Raccoon

But... it's german.

u/Mr_Badgey

It’s actually kilorams not pounds. But your statement there’s a very limited natural supply is correct. However we can theoretically make it using other elements that are more plentiful. In f

u/Maghorn_Mobile

You can't really invest in fusion directly, but you could look at energy companies that will eventually start building the infrastructure when it becomes viable and any support industries tha

u/TheYang

> Solar is getting there in terms of cheap and limitless energy. Solar technically is fusion

u/Gari_305

From the article In a recent experiment, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Plasma Physics sustained a stable plasma reaction in the Wendelstein 7-X for 43 seconds, reaching the “[t

u/Vex1om

> which has achieved a Fusion Energy Gain Factor (power produced / power needed to run the reactor) of 1.5 This is very misleading. First of all, power produced is just the energy create

u/Alis451

> or would it go in pulses there are some facilities that are actually testing that right now [A fusion pulse reactor](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlNfP3iywvI), Helion

u/Meethor_smash

It's Pizza time!

u/FreeNumber49

I’ve been following this story with bated breath…since 1951. Any day now!

u/dejamintwo

But in the end its just hydrogen which is the most common element.

u/leddhedd

Every 43 seconds we are 43 seconds closer to "insert energy milestone here" Might have sounded like a cool title but it's kinda stupid unless you know sustaining a reaction for 43 seconds is

u/LifeFeckinBrilliant

What a movie! Periwinkle blue boys.... 😂

u/MarkCuckerberg69420

Just to be clear, I was quoting Spider-Man 2.

u/LapsedVerneGagKnee

I think a friend of mine made a good point when he declared that the problem is no longer a theoretical one, it's just an absurdly complicated engineering one. At least the latter is solvabl

u/Thatingles

That was a much cooler plasma, they were testing plasma confinement at sub-fusion temperatures. Very different.

u/FreeNumber49

I’ve been following this story with bated breath…since 1951. Any day now!

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/Gari_305: --- From the article In a recent experiment, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Plasma Physics sustained a stable p

u/Portdawgg

What stocks can I look at to possibly invest in for fusion?

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u/blobbyboy123

Will have to play a 30 second ad every time I turn the lights on

u/Catty_Whompus

Tritium you say? The power of the sun? In the palm of my hand?

u/UnifiedQuantumField

Agree 100%. How so? * sCO₂ has a much higher energy density than steam. * It allows more power to be extracted per unit volume of working fluid. * Because of the thermophysical properties

u/KingRBPII

The oligarchy has pushed all the wealth gain into the private equity market. Unless you are one of them you can’t play. The only war is class war

u/thyL_

Yea, in a hundred years or so humans could reap the benefits of it. Maybe even earlier, you never know. But either way, we'd find a way to make it privatized bullshit anyway so the majority

u/brewsntattoos

"Its fer me mah"

u/liuniao

The article says this record of 43 seconds includes tokamaks. I assume the article is wrong, just giving additional context to the comment above.

u/Juzam_Djinn_

What about the EAST project in China - Maybe that’s not the same thing?

u/StaysAwakeAllWeek

Stellarators like Wendelstein 7-X are specifically designed to be able to reach longer plasma durations than tokamaks. Seeing one take the record for the longest plasma is entirely unsurprisi

u/more_bananajamas

Invest in everything cos that's the breadth of impact of something like this. It's too risky to invest in individual companies or even narrowly defined thematic funds. Particularly at the e

u/That-Makes-Sense

Fusion energy - The energy of the future, and always will be.

u/dejamintwo

But in the end its just hydrogen which is the most common element.

u/Hanoverview

So far, I’m at 70% energy autarky. What’s missing is more batteries and more panels. At the moment, I have around 26 kWh of storage. I need more panels for winter. I pay €60 per month for all

u/BoringBob84

> it's kinda stupid How is the fusion reactor that you have developed better than this one?

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u/51onions

That's interesting, do you know why a tokamak is better suited to higher temperatures, and a stellarator better suited to duration?

u/davocn

Maybe that was just the longest time a plasma has been sustained, even at low levels. Then is 43 seconds the longest fusion grade performance has been achieved?

u/Psychological-Fix-51

Those kind of heavy-investment are generally not made by the private sector but by public funding. In France highway, nuclear power plant, telecom and more are state fondée then re-sell for c

u/Maghorn_Mobile

You can't really invest in fusion directly, but you could look at energy companies that will eventually start building the infrastructure when it becomes viable and any support industries tha

u/thyL_

Yea, in a hundred years or so humans could reap the benefits of it. Maybe even earlier, you never know. But either way, we'd find a way to make it privatized bullshit anyway so the majority

u/MrZwink

Itll never be free, but with fusion energy might become as abundant as water.

u/Meethor_smash

It's Pizza time!

u/Stikes

Sauce on the 60 months though

u/leddhedd

Every 43 seconds we are 43 seconds closer to "insert energy milestone here" Might have sounded like a cool title but it's kinda stupid unless you know sustaining a reaction for 43 seconds is

u/HenryTheWho

This shit all over, first we were not even able to reach ignition, we lacked materials and even basic understanding of fusion process. Because some semi literate headline chasing so called j

u/That-Makes-Sense

Fusion energy - The energy of the future, and always will be.

u/davocn

Maybe that was just the longest time a plasma has been sustained, even at low levels. Then is 43 seconds the longest fusion grade performance has been achieved?

u/pappaberG

If you need to ask others instead of doing your own research I wouldn't advise you to invest in stocks at all.

u/Vulture-Bee-6174

And there is a big chance that the energy will generated via steam...like in the 1800s

u/Psychological-Fix-51

Those kind of heavy-investment are generally not made by the private sector but by public funding. In France highway, nuclear power plant, telecom and more are state fondée then re-sell for c

u/Manaze85

It’s been an hour since this was posted, did I miss it?

u/Responsible-Room-645

Thanks for the explanation 🙏

u/pyrrhios

and don't forget the cost of the infrastructure to get it to your home.

u/LapsedVerneGagKnee

I think a friend of mine made a good point when he declared that the problem is no longer a theoretical one, it's just an absurdly complicated engineering one. At least the latter is solvabl

u/liuniao

The article says this record of 43 seconds includes tokamaks. I assume the article is wrong, just giving additional context to the comment above.

u/LapsedVerneGagKnee

I think a friend of mine made a good point when he declared that the problem is no longer a theoretical one, it's just an absurdly complicated engineering one. At least the latter is solvabl

u/hrlft

Gasturbines don't use steam either. There are variants that use the "cold" gas to run a steam turbine as a 2nd stage, but even these get 2/3 of their energy from the gas turbine part.

u/communistkangu

It is. Very interesting.

u/brewsntattoos

"Its fer me mah"

u/GlobalWarminIsComing

In case you missed the joke: 60 months is 5 years Or I missed you building on the joke in which case I'm an idiot

u/Smartnership

TL;DR: Fusion is no longer 5 years away. Now it’s just 60 months out. *Months*, people. We’re down to months.

u/pyrrhios

and don't forget the cost of the infrastructure to get it to your home.

u/Dralex75

The supercritical CO2 turbines are making good progress to replace them.

u/Different-Set4505

They have been saying we are close for 50 years, maybe in 100 years we get there, until then oil from the Middle East!

u/leddhedd

Every 43 seconds we are 43 seconds closer to "insert energy milestone here" Might have sounded like a cool title but it's kinda stupid unless you know sustaining a reaction for 43 seconds is

u/thatguy01001010

Do you realize that almost all power generation is steam? Solar and wind aside. steam turbines are incredibly effective and in this age of technology they're extremely advanced and powerful.

u/UnifiedQuantumField

Agree 100%. How so? * sCO₂ has a much higher energy density than steam. * It allows more power to be extracted per unit volume of working fluid. * Because of the thermophysical properties

u/maxawake

Well, its Unfortunately is not entirly trivial to harvest natural H Isotopes, but in principle a good reactor design can produce its own Isotopes through nuclear reactions in the wall of the

u/StaysAwakeAllWeek

Tokamaks are the simplest practical magnetic confinement design so it's easier to design gigantic powerful magnets for them that can contain higher temperatures. But they are notoriously unst

u/Joke_of_a_Name

Was it TOTAL energy efficient? Q gained > Q input(total) ?

u/the_gouged_eye

I like to hold a basket of commodities, especially domestic primary metals. I am catching a lot of the upward momentum from tech developments without most of their downside risk and without m

u/narnerve

1337, sick. And yeah EAST mogs for operational times. I think 7-X could probably run for ages since its recent runs have been free of issues (that I know of) but they are very careful about

u/estransza

You already doing it. It’s called “electricity bill”.

u/ThMogget

I agree with that except the *inexpensive* part. Fusion addresses none of nuclear’s cost problems, assuming it is used as a source of heat for a giant steam turbine system.

u/Mr_Badgey

Ohhh. Thanks for clarifying. I guess the info I supplied is still useful if people want real life statistics and what can be done about it.

u/DoodleNoodle08

Its "limitless" in the fact that deuterium and tritium are easy to make cheaply and abundant. But at the end of the day it will be a power plant that requires people to build, run, and mainta

u/Ticker011

I remember last time they were just about to discover "fusion reactors" I'll believe it when it happens

u/StaysAwakeAllWeek

Tokamaks are the simplest practical magnetic confinement design so it's easier to design gigantic powerful magnets for them that can contain higher temperatures. But they are notoriously unst

u/Different-Set4505

They have been saying we are close for 50 years, maybe in 100 years we get there, until then oil from the Middle East!

u/BoringBob84

Yes, solar energy is almost limitless, but it is not consistent. Having a source like nuclear fusion to provide base load when other sources cannot produce enough would be wonderful. As it is

u/Meethor_smash

It's Pizza time!

u/Meethor_smash

It's Pizza time!

u/boborian9

It needs to net enough energy from each pulse. Right now, a majority of the energy gained would go into the warmup phase, and likely not even enough to fully offset that. If the pulses produc

u/Putrid-Reputation-68

The reason it's not cheap and abundant is because there isn't a need to mass produce it yet. It would be very economical at scale

u/rockbottomtraveler

Hmm google says previous record is 1337 seconds on February 12 2025 One of many sources: https://phys.org/news/2025-02-nuclear-fusion-west-machine-world.html

u/blobbyboy123

Will have to play a 30 second ad every time I turn the lights on

u/communistkangu

It is. Very interesting.

u/[deleted]

What about the EAST project in China - Maybe that’s not the same thing?

u/MrZwink

Itll never be free, but with fusion energy might become as abundant as water.

u/[deleted]

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u/BoringBob84

> it's kinda stupid How is the fusion reactor that you have developed better than this one?

u/Vulture-Bee-6174

And there is a big chance that the energy will generated via steam...like in the 1800s

u/blobbyboy123

Will have to play a 30 second ad every time I turn the lights on

u/MarkCuckerberg69420

OP is wrong. Tritium is not abundant. There’s only 25 pounds of it on the whole planet!

u/blobbyboy123

Will have to play a 30 second ad every time I turn the lights on

u/Tower21

Sounds like you are experiencing one half of the Gell-Mann amnesia effect.

u/51onions

That's interesting, do you know why a tokamak is better suited to higher temperatures, and a stellarator better suited to duration?

u/51onions

That's interesting, do you know why a tokamak is better suited to higher temperatures, and a stellarator better suited to duration?

u/rogue_ger

I’m increasingly skeptical that even scientific breakthroughs are going to make things better for regular people. All that seems to happen is private concerns taking it over and then finding

u/woolcoat

Decades ago, I viewed fusion as the holy grail of limitless energy that’ll revolutionize society and bring in an era lacking in want. I definite don’t believe that anymore now that I’m older.

u/Schnort

> I pay €60 per month for all my energy needs—including transportation and heat. You should probably include your capital investment amortized over your expected lifespan of your system

u/JCDU

It would not have to be constant and continuous but it would need to be able to pump out an average amount of continuous heat to turn turbines etc. to be worthwhile.

u/thatguy01001010

Do you realize that almost all power generation is steam? Solar and wind aside. steam turbines are incredibly effective and in this age of technology they're extremely advanced and powerful.

u/thatguy01001010

Do you realize that almost all power generation is steam? Solar and wind aside. steam turbines are incredibly effective and in this age of technology they're extremely advanced and powerful.

u/Thatingles

That was a much cooler plasma, they were testing plasma confinement at sub-fusion temperatures. Very different.

u/Gari_305

From the article In a recent experiment, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Plasma Physics sustained a stable plasma reaction in the Wendelstein 7-X for 43 seconds, reaching the “[t

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/Gari_305: --- From the article In a recent experiment, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Plasma Physics sustained a stable p

u/Superb_Raccoon

But... it's german.

u/IniNew

The power will be cheap, but say hello to astronomical “delivery” fees for the infrastructure to get it from the plant to your home

u/Portdawgg

What stocks can I look at to possibly invest in for fusion?

u/Superb_Raccoon

But... it's german.

u/MarkCuckerberg69420

OP is wrong. Tritium is not abundant. There’s only 25 pounds of it on the whole planet!

u/activedusk

While confinement time matters, the most important metric is energy input vs output. If they did not have sufficient plasma burn it is just a fusor which is not very novel. We know how to was

u/rogue_ger

I’m increasingly skeptical that even scientific breakthroughs are going to make things better for regular people. All that seems to happen is private concerns taking it over and then finding

u/shit_magnet-0730

I'm gonna get ahead of this and say RIP to those scientists who tried to cut into the bottom line - signed Shell, BP, Exxon, Chevron, Saudi Aramco

u/MarkCuckerberg69420

Just to be clear, I was quoting Spider-Man 2.

u/Glittering_Cow945

This is a very bad article for laymen with numerous errors and oversimplifications.

u/Dralex75

The supercritical CO2 turbines are making good progress to replace them.

u/communistkangu

It is. Very interesting.

u/51onions

That's interesting, do you know why a tokamak is better suited to higher temperatures, and a stellarator better suited to duration?

u/Putrid-Reputation-68

The reason it's not cheap and abundant is because there isn't a need to mass produce it yet. It would be very economical at scale

u/GodOne

It’s funny it comes from Germany. I thought we were stoked to get by with wind and sun…in Germany.

u/Maghorn_Mobile

You can't really invest in fusion directly, but you could look at energy companies that will eventually start building the infrastructure when it becomes viable and any support industries tha

u/narnerve

1337, sick. And yeah EAST mogs for operational times. I think 7-X could probably run for ages since its recent runs have been free of issues (that I know of) but they are very careful about

u/LifeFeckinBrilliant

Zee Germans Tommy?

u/airfryerfuntime

You'll pay an arbitrary number and like it!

u/Winjin

I think you misunderstood what they're salty about - it's the fact that even if it's going to be limitless, it won't be free Then again these reactors aren't free, and humans will come up wi

u/BoringBob84

Yes, solar energy is almost limitless, but it is not consistent. Having a source like nuclear fusion to provide base load when other sources cannot produce enough would be wonderful. As it is

u/brewsntattoos

"Its fer me mah"

u/aVarangian

but the anti-capitalists are telling me this trillion-dollar-investment's results will be literally free and an exploitation of the common citisen?

u/photovirus

> Maybe 43 seconds doesn’t sound like much, but it’s now the longest plasma duration ever in nuclear fusion, including tokamaks. Previously, the now-defunct JT60U Tokamak in Japan and the

u/Vulture-Bee-6174

And there is a big chance that the energy will generated via steam...like in the 1800s

u/LapsedVerneGagKnee

I think a friend of mine made a good point when he declared that the problem is no longer a theoretical one, it's just an absurdly complicated engineering one. At least the latter is solvabl

u/maxawake

Well, its Unfortunately is not entirly trivial to harvest natural H Isotopes, but in principle a good reactor design can produce its own Isotopes through nuclear reactions in the wall of the

u/Moose_Nuts

> Max Planck I always thought his name was a bit of an oxymoron.

u/Smartnership

TL;DR: Fusion is no longer 5 years away. Now it’s just 60 months out. *Months*, people. We’re down to months.

u/narnerve

1337, sick. And yeah EAST mogs for operational times. I think 7-X could probably run for ages since its recent runs have been free of issues (that I know of) but they are very careful about

u/davocn

Maybe that was just the longest time a plasma has been sustained, even at low levels. Then is 43 seconds the longest fusion grade performance has been achieved?

u/wozwozwoz

I think basically whenever these articles are being published they are referring to scientific breakeven (just phenomena power in vs out) and not engineering breakeven. My primitive understan

u/Catty_Whompus

Tritium you say? The power of the sun? In the palm of my hand?

u/brewsntattoos

"Its fer me mah"

u/StaysAwakeAllWeek

Stellarators like Wendelstein 7-X are specifically designed to be able to reach longer plasma durations than tokamaks. Seeing one take the record for the longest plasma is entirely unsurprisi

u/red75prime

Infrastructure like in existing power transmission lines and power balancing equipment that was built for rotating generators? Solar will require significant changes to that: HVDC lines, sma

u/Tacosaurusman

All cheap energy will be used to power bitcoin transactions, until energy is costly again.

u/the_gouged_eye

I like to hold a basket of commodities, especially domestic primary metals. I am catching a lot of the upward momentum from tech developments without most of their downside risk and without m

u/Super_Mario_Luigi

I think you misunderstood. Cost structure is more complex than the most simplistic internet opinion. How's the savings on the limitless solar power?

u/Alis451

> or would it go in pulses there are some facilities that are actually testing that right now [A fusion pulse reactor](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlNfP3iywvI), Helion

u/MarkCuckerberg69420

OP is wrong. Tritium is not abundant. There’s only 25 pounds of it on the whole planet!

u/more_bananajamas

Invest in everything cos that's the breadth of impact of something like this. It's too risky to invest in individual companies or even narrowly defined thematic funds. Particularly at the e

u/Stikes

Naw, i was clambering onto your good joke 😆

u/Mr_Badgey

It’s actually kilorams not pounds. But your statement there’s a very limited natural supply is correct. However we can theoretically make it using other elements that are more plentiful. In f

u/Super_Mario_Luigi

I think you misunderstood. Cost structure is more complex than the most simplistic internet opinion. How's the savings on the limitless solar power?

u/Winjin

I think you misunderstood what they're salty about - it's the fact that even if it's going to be limitless, it won't be free Then again these reactors aren't free, and humans will come up wi

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/Gari_305: --- From the article In a recent experiment, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Plasma Physics sustained a stable p

u/Alis451

> or would it go in pulses there are some facilities that are actually testing that right now [A fusion pulse reactor](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlNfP3iywvI), Helion

u/Joke_of_a_Name

Was it TOTAL energy efficient? Q gained > Q input(total) ?

u/Superb_Raccoon

But... it's german.

u/sciencesanfrontier

'Sustainable commercial fusion just 15 years from now', every year for the last 60+ years

u/IniNew

The power will be cheap, but say hello to astronomical “delivery” fees for the infrastructure to get it from the plant to your home

u/Manaze85

It’s been an hour since this was posted, did I miss it?

u/Dralex75

The supercritical CO2 turbines are making good progress to replace them.

u/Hanoverview

Yea... Do what you want .. i go install more solar panels und use the giant fusion ball in the sky.

u/Mr_Badgey

It’s actually kilorams not pounds. But your statement there’s a very limited natural supply is correct. However we can theoretically make it using other elements that are more plentiful. In f

u/Winjin

I think you misunderstood what they're salty about - it's the fact that even if it's going to be limitless, it won't be free Then again these reactors aren't free, and humans will come up wi

u/That-Makes-Sense

Fusion energy - The energy of the future, and always will be.

u/JCDU

It would not have to be constant and continuous but it would need to be able to pump out an average amount of continuous heat to turn turbines etc. to be worthwhile.

u/bobtheavenger

It's harvesting energy produced by fusion, but I doubt similar tech would work for actually harvesting fusion reactions. And couldn't all energy technically be called from fusion at that poi

u/danielv123

The difference is that is a tokamak, this is a stellerator. Which one will be the best design is yet to be determined. From what I understand stellerators are more complicated mathematically

u/HenryTheWho

This shit all over, first we were not even able to reach ignition, we lacked materials and even basic understanding of fusion process. Because some semi literate headline chasing so called j

u/PeterPanski85

And nuclear power from all around Germany xD

u/blobbyboy123

Will have to play a 30 second ad every time I turn the lights on

u/airfryerfuntime

You'll pay an arbitrary number and like it!

u/[deleted]

What about the EAST project in China - Maybe that’s not the same thing?

u/thatguy01001010

Do you realize that almost all power generation is steam? Solar and wind aside. steam turbines are incredibly effective and in this age of technology they're extremely advanced and powerful.

u/GlobalWarminIsComing

In case you missed the joke: 60 months is 5 years Or I missed you building on the joke in which case I'm an idiot

u/rockbottomtraveler

Hmm google says previous record is 1337 seconds on February 12 2025 One of many sources: https://phys.org/news/2025-02-nuclear-fusion-west-machine-world.html

u/Diche_Bach

It is definitely fair to point out that, even after the prolonged period of R&D, followed by technology refinement and eventual integration as commercial services, fusion power plants may

u/browsinganono

Ha. Ha. Ha.

u/Mr_Badgey

Ohhh. Thanks for clarifying. I guess the info I supplied is still useful if people want real life statistics and what can be done about it.

u/woolcoat

Decades ago, I viewed fusion as the holy grail of limitless energy that’ll revolutionize society and bring in an era lacking in want. I definite don’t believe that anymore now that I’m older.

u/Tower21

Sounds like you are experiencing one half of the Gell-Mann amnesia effect.

u/aVarangian

but the anti-capitalists are telling me this trillion-dollar-investment's results will be literally free and an exploitation of the common citisen?

u/activedusk

While confinement time matters, the most important metric is energy input vs output. If they did not have sufficient plasma burn it is just a fusor which is not very novel. We know how to was

u/thatguy01001010

Do you realize that almost all power generation is steam? Solar and wind aside. steam turbines are incredibly effective and in this age of technology they're extremely advanced and powerful.

u/Diche_Bach

Limitless" is an exaggeration. A more accurate description would be abundant, relatively less expensive, relatively cleaner, and relatively low-risk. Even once sustained fusion becomes techni

u/Glittering_Cow945

This is a very bad article for laymen with numerous errors and oversimplifications.

u/Fearyn

This is the most typical Redditor answer 🤣

u/more_bananajamas

Invest in everything cos that's the breadth of impact of something like this. It's too risky to invest in individual companies or even narrowly defined thematic funds. Particularly at the e

u/Glittering_Cow945

This is a very bad article for laymen with numerous errors and oversimplifications.

u/LapsedVerneGagKnee

I think a friend of mine made a good point when he declared that the problem is no longer a theoretical one, it's just an absurdly complicated engineering one. At least the latter is solvabl

u/Meethor_smash

It's Pizza time!

u/doogiehowitzer1

I have a simple solution for this problem. We should just combine the two and make a tokellerator. I’ll get to emailing relevant parties. I can’t wait to claim my Nobel prize.

u/Joke_of_a_Name

Was it TOTAL energy efficient? Q gained > Q input(total) ?

u/pyrrhios

and don't forget the cost of the infrastructure to get it to your home.

u/Smartnership

TL;DR: Fusion is no longer 5 years away. Now it’s just 60 months out. *Months*, people. We’re down to months.

u/StaysAwakeAllWeek

Stellarators like Wendelstein 7-X are specifically designed to be able to reach longer plasma durations than tokamaks. Seeing one take the record for the longest plasma is entirely unsurprisi

u/DoodleNoodle08

Its "limitless" in the fact that deuterium and tritium are easy to make cheaply and abundant. But at the end of the day it will be a power plant that requires people to build, run, and mainta

u/Putrid-Reputation-68

The reason it's not cheap and abundant is because there isn't a need to mass produce it yet. It would be very economical at scale

u/Tacosaurusman

All cheap energy will be used to power bitcoin transactions, until energy is costly again.

u/sciencesanfrontier

'Sustainable commercial fusion just 15 years from now', every year for the last 60+ years

u/BoringBob84

Yes, solar energy is almost limitless, but it is not consistent. Having a source like nuclear fusion to provide base load when other sources cannot produce enough would be wonderful. As it is

u/estransza

You already doing it. It’s called “electricity bill”.

u/Responsible-Room-645

Serious question: does the fusion reaction have to be constant and continuous (until being intentionally discontinued), for it to be considered commercially viable, or would it go in pulses.

u/browsinganono

Ha. Ha. Ha.

u/KingRBPII

The oligarchy has pushed all the wealth gain into the private equity market. Unless you are one of them you can’t play. The only war is class war

u/LapsedVerneGagKnee

I think a friend of mine made a good point when he declared that the problem is no longer a theoretical one, it's just an absurdly complicated engineering one. At least the latter is solvabl

u/airfryerfuntime

You'll pay an arbitrary number and like it!

u/Tacosaurusman

All cheap energy will be used to power bitcoin transactions, until energy is costly again.

u/thyL_

Yea, in a hundred years or so humans could reap the benefits of it. Maybe even earlier, you never know. But either way, we'd find a way to make it privatized bullshit anyway so the majority

u/davocn

Maybe that was just the longest time a plasma has been sustained, even at low levels. Then is 43 seconds the longest fusion grade performance has been achieved?

u/activedusk

While confinement time matters, the most important metric is energy input vs output. If they did not have sufficient plasma burn it is just a fusor which is not very novel. We know how to was

u/HenryTheWho

This shit all over, first we were not even able to reach ignition, we lacked materials and even basic understanding of fusion process. Because some semi literate headline chasing so called j

u/Thatingles

That was a much cooler plasma, they were testing plasma confinement at sub-fusion temperatures. Very different.

u/browsinganono

Ha. Ha. Ha.

u/woolcoat

Decades ago, I viewed fusion as the holy grail of limitless energy that’ll revolutionize society and bring in an era lacking in want. I definite don’t believe that anymore now that I’m older.

u/Super_Mario_Luigi

I think you misunderstood. Cost structure is more complex than the most simplistic internet opinion. How's the savings on the limitless solar power?

u/Diche_Bach

It is definitely fair to point out that, even after the prolonged period of R&D, followed by technology refinement and eventual integration as commercial services, fusion power plants may

u/FreeNumber49

I’ve been following this story with bated breath…since 1951. Any day now!

u/Infninfn

\*Cheap power if they're able to commoditise building of fusion reactors, if there are more than enough to meet demand, and if they can be run with low operating and maintenance costs.

u/Responsible-Room-645

Serious question: does the fusion reaction have to be constant and continuous (until being intentionally discontinued), for it to be considered commercially viable, or would it go in pulses.

u/activedusk

While confinement time matters, the most important metric is energy input vs output. If they did not have sufficient plasma burn it is just a fusor which is not very novel. We know how to was

u/LifeFeckinBrilliant

What a movie! Periwinkle blue boys.... 😂

u/doogiehowitzer1

I have a simple solution for this problem. We should just combine the two and make a tokellerator. I’ll get to emailing relevant parties. I can’t wait to claim my Nobel prize.

u/JCDU

Cuppa tea? Nah fanks Turkish, ah'm sweet enuff already.

u/PadyEos

Cheap power. Lol. Living in Europe we could have much cheaper power tomorrow if Brussels and the member states would fucking fix the current price system. Basically you could atm inject 99.

u/JCDU

Cuppa tea? Nah fanks Turkish, ah'm sweet enuff already.

u/Joke_of_a_Name

Was it TOTAL energy efficient? Q gained > Q input(total) ?

u/51onions

That's interesting, do you know why a tokamak is better suited to higher temperatures, and a stellarator better suited to duration?

u/Portdawgg

What stocks can I look at to possibly invest in for fusion?

u/JCDU

Cuppa tea? Nah fanks Turkish, ah'm sweet enuff already.

u/brewsntattoos

"Its fer me mah"

u/wwarnout

So, only 29 years, 364 days, and 86,357 seconds to go.

u/Super_Mario_Luigi

I think you misunderstood. Cost structure is more complex than the most simplistic internet opinion. How's the savings on the limitless solar power?

u/BoringBob84

> it's kinda stupid How is the fusion reactor that you have developed better than this one?

u/Stikes

Naw, i was clambering onto your good joke 😆

u/davocn

Maybe that was just the longest time a plasma has been sustained, even at low levels. Then is 43 seconds the longest fusion grade performance has been achieved?

u/doogiehowitzer1

I have a simple solution for this problem. We should just combine the two and make a tokellerator. I’ll get to emailing relevant parties. I can’t wait to claim my Nobel prize.

u/activedusk

While confinement time matters, the most important metric is energy input vs output. If they did not have sufficient plasma burn it is just a fusor which is not very novel. We know how to was

u/doogiehowitzer1

I have a simple solution for this problem. We should just combine the two and make a tokellerator. I’ll get to emailing relevant parties. I can’t wait to claim my Nobel prize.

u/Thatingles

That was a much cooler plasma, they were testing plasma confinement at sub-fusion temperatures. Very different.

u/StaysAwakeAllWeek

Stellarators like Wendelstein 7-X are specifically designed to be able to reach longer plasma durations than tokamaks. Seeing one take the record for the longest plasma is entirely unsurprisi

u/Responsible-Room-645

Thanks for the explanation 🙏

u/TheYang

> Solar is getting there in terms of cheap and limitless energy. Solar technically is fusion

u/davocn

Maybe that was just the longest time a plasma has been sustained, even at low levels. Then is 43 seconds the longest fusion grade performance has been achieved?

u/BoringBob84

Yes, solar energy is almost limitless, but it is not consistent. Having a source like nuclear fusion to provide base load when other sources cannot produce enough would be wonderful. As it is

u/FreeNumber49

I’ve been following this story with bated breath…since 1951. Any day now!

u/maxawake

Well, its Unfortunately is not entirly trivial to harvest natural H Isotopes, but in principle a good reactor design can produce its own Isotopes through nuclear reactions in the wall of the

u/Dralex75

The supercritical CO2 turbines are making good progress to replace them.

u/Superb_Raccoon

But... it's german.

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/Gari_305: --- From the article In a recent experiment, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Plasma Physics sustained a stable p

u/the_gouged_eye

I like to hold a basket of commodities, especially domestic primary metals. I am catching a lot of the upward momentum from tech developments without most of their downside risk and without m

u/atropear

TSLA, FLNC, BEP, AI, PWR

u/shit_magnet-0730

I bet you're a riot at all the parties

u/BoringBob84

> it's kinda stupid How is the fusion reactor that you have developed better than this one?

u/ILikeWatching

It still looks like someone being proud they're able to juggle for almost a minute. No doubt in time they'll be able to keep the balls in the air for minutes at a time. But hours? Days?

u/bikbar1

The cost of the infrastructure and labour is more than the raw material. Solar is practically free energy during the daytime in most of the world, but it still costs a lot to produce.

u/wwarnout

So, only 29 years, 364 days, and 86,357 seconds to go.

u/blobbyboy123

Will have to play a 30 second ad every time I turn the lights on

u/That-Makes-Sense

Fusion energy - The energy of the future, and always will be.

u/IniNew

The power will be cheap, but say hello to astronomical “delivery” fees for the infrastructure to get it from the plant to your home

u/Different-Set4505

They have been saying we are close for 50 years, maybe in 100 years we get there, until then oil from the Middle East!

u/browsinganono

Ha. Ha. Ha.

u/communistkangu

It is. Very interesting.

u/Responsible-Room-645

Serious question: does the fusion reaction have to be constant and continuous (until being intentionally discontinued), for it to be considered commercially viable, or would it go in pulses.

u/kalirion

This was posted 3 hours and 40 minutes ago, so I assume that they are now 3 hours, 40 minutes, and 43 seconds closer to producing limitless energy.

u/Vulture-Bee-6174

And there is a big chance that the energy will generated via steam...like in the 1800s

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/Gari_305: --- From the article In a recent experiment, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Plasma Physics sustained a stable p

u/Gari_305

From the article In a recent experiment, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Plasma Physics sustained a stable plasma reaction in the Wendelstein 7-X for 43 seconds, reaching the “[t

u/ClaytonBiggsbie

I eagerly await the day when I get to begin paying a monthly subscription for this unlimited energy.

u/Different-Set4505

They have been saying we are close for 50 years, maybe in 100 years we get there, until then oil from the Middle East!

u/liuniao

The article says this record of 43 seconds includes tokamaks. I assume the article is wrong, just giving additional context to the comment above.

u/StaysAwakeAllWeek

Stellarators like Wendelstein 7-X are specifically designed to be able to reach longer plasma durations than tokamaks. Seeing one take the record for the longest plasma is entirely unsurprisi

u/Glittering_Cow945

This is a very bad article for laymen with numerous errors and oversimplifications.

u/airfryerfuntime

You'll pay an arbitrary number and like it!

u/leddhedd

Every 43 seconds we are 43 seconds closer to "insert energy milestone here" Might have sounded like a cool title but it's kinda stupid unless you know sustaining a reaction for 43 seconds is

u/Putrid-Reputation-68

The reason it's not cheap and abundant is because there isn't a need to mass produce it yet. It would be very economical at scale

u/liuniao

The article says this record of 43 seconds includes tokamaks. I assume the article is wrong, just giving additional context to the comment above.

u/FreeNumber49

I’ve been following this story with bated breath…since 1951. Any day now!

u/maxawake

Well, its Unfortunately is not entirly trivial to harvest natural H Isotopes, but in principle a good reactor design can produce its own Isotopes through nuclear reactions in the wall of the

u/liuniao

The article says this record of 43 seconds includes tokamaks. I assume the article is wrong, just giving additional context to the comment above.

u/Responsible-Room-645

Thanks for the explanation 🙏

u/boborian9

It needs to net enough energy from each pulse. Right now, a majority of the energy gained would go into the warmup phase, and likely not even enough to fully offset that. If the pulses produc

u/Moose_Nuts

> Max Planck I always thought his name was a bit of an oxymoron.

u/MrZwink

Itll never be free, but with fusion energy might become as abundant as water.

u/Responsible-Room-645

Thanks for the explanation 🙏

u/FreeNumber49

I’ve been following this story with bated breath…since 1951. Any day now!

u/Diche_Bach

Limitless" is an exaggeration. A more accurate description would be abundant, inexpensive, clean, and relatively low-risk. Even once sustained fusion becomes technically viable, it will likel

u/Nourios

I think this is it.

u/Winjin

I think you misunderstood what they're salty about - it's the fact that even if it's going to be limitless, it won't be free Then again these reactors aren't free, and humans will come up wi

u/51onions

That's interesting, do you know why a tokamak is better suited to higher temperatures, and a stellarator better suited to duration?

u/Mr_Badgey

Ohhh. Thanks for clarifying. I guess the info I supplied is still useful if people want real life statistics and what can be done about it.

u/TheYang

> Solar is getting there in terms of cheap and limitless energy. Solar technically is fusion

u/JCDU

It would not have to be constant and continuous but it would need to be able to pump out an average amount of continuous heat to turn turbines etc. to be worthwhile.

u/the_gouged_eye

I like to hold a basket of commodities, especially domestic primary metals. I am catching a lot of the upward momentum from tech developments without most of their downside risk and without m

u/UnifiedQuantumField

Agree 100%. How so? * sCO₂ has a much higher energy density than steam. * It allows more power to be extracted per unit volume of working fluid. * Because of the thermophysical properties

u/bobtheavenger

It's harvesting energy produced by fusion, but I doubt similar tech would work for actually harvesting fusion reactions. And couldn't all energy technically be called from fusion at that poi

u/doogiehowitzer1

I have a simple solution for this problem. We should just combine the two and make a tokellerator. I’ll get to emailing relevant parties. I can’t wait to claim my Nobel prize.

u/wwarnout

So, only 29 years, 364 days, and 86,357 seconds to go.

u/Tacosaurusman

All cheap energy will be used to power bitcoin transactions, until energy is costly again.

u/communistkangu

It is. Very interesting.

u/ProximaUniverse

This indeed, use lithium-6 plates to create tritium

u/danielv123

The difference is that is a tokamak, this is a stellerator. Which one will be the best design is yet to be determined. From what I understand stellerators are more complicated mathematically

u/StaysAwakeAllWeek

Stellarators like Wendelstein 7-X are specifically designed to be able to reach longer plasma durations than tokamaks. Seeing one take the record for the longest plasma is entirely unsurprisi

u/bob_from_teamspeak

he's probably referencing the merit order principle

u/sciencesanfrontier

'Sustainable commercial fusion just 15 years from now', every year for the last 60+ years

u/FreeNumber49

I’ve been following this story with bated breath…since 1951. Any day now!

u/SSMicrowave

\>99.9% free energy and if you need 00.1% from another expensive source, gas for example, to fill in the remaining demand ALL the energy in the grid is at the same price as the most expens

u/Hanoverview

So far, I’m at 70% energy autarky. What’s missing is more batteries and more panels. At the moment, I have around 26 kWh of storage. I need more panels for winter. I pay €60 per month for all

u/Manaze85

It’s been an hour since this was posted, did I miss it?

u/LifeFeckinBrilliant

What a movie! Periwinkle blue boys.... 😂

u/Maghorn_Mobile

You can't really invest in fusion directly, but you could look at energy companies that will eventually start building the infrastructure when it becomes viable and any support industries tha

u/btalex

Well yes, but actually no.

u/rockbottomtraveler

Hmm google says previous record is 1337 seconds on February 12 2025 One of many sources: https://phys.org/news/2025-02-nuclear-fusion-west-machine-world.html

u/FreeNumber49

I’ve been following this story with bated breath…since 1951. Any day now!

u/Tacosaurusman

All cheap energy will be used to power bitcoin transactions, until energy is costly again.

u/Madgick

Where do you keep up to date on stuff like this? I bet there'd be some great one off podcasts out there on the subject, but it seems like 3 months out of date might be an eternity

u/Gari_305

From the article In a recent experiment, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Plasma Physics sustained a stable plasma reaction in the Wendelstein 7-X for 43 seconds, reaching the “[t

u/Vulture-Bee-6174

And there is a big chance that the energy will generated via steam...like in the 1800s

u/SyntheticSlime

This is kind of confusing. They keep saying it’s a record, but it’s not a record of any one measure. It’s neither the longest duration, (which I believe is now 20 minutes and held by a tokama

u/activedusk

While confinement time matters, the most important metric is energy input vs output. If they did not have sufficient plasma burn it is just a fusor which is not very novel. We know how to was

u/Portdawgg

What stocks can I look at to possibly invest in for fusion?

u/Portdawgg

What stocks can I look at to possibly invest in for fusion?

u/Psychological-Fix-51

Those kind of heavy-investment are generally not made by the private sector but by public funding. In France highway, nuclear power plant, telecom and more are state fondée then re-sell for c

u/Psychological-Fix-51

Those kind of heavy-investment are generally not made by the private sector but by public funding. In France highway, nuclear power plant, telecom and more are state fondée then re-sell for c

u/activedusk

While confinement time matters, the most important metric is energy input vs output. If they did not have sufficient plasma burn it is just a fusor which is not very novel. We know how to was

u/Thatingles

That was a much cooler plasma, they were testing plasma confinement at sub-fusion temperatures. Very different.

u/Juzam_Djinn_

What about the EAST project in China - Maybe that’s not the same thing?

u/Hanoverview

Yea... Do what you want .. i go install more solar panels und use the giant fusion ball in the sky.

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