Gamer Sentiment Shift: PirateSoftware Games Facing Public Backlash

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What is going on with PirateSoftware and all these YouTube videos about his games?

Posted by u/Far_Breakfast_5808•07/22/2025

Lately, PirateSoftware has been mentioned a lot on YouTube due to the Stop Killing Games drama, but lately on my YouTube feed I've been seeing multiple videos criticizing his games or claimin

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u/DiasFlac42

It’s all been explained already, but it’s worth noting that Thor had previously derided other players that were playing Mages in similar situations and said that they could/should have done m

u/platinum1004

There's no evidence Joeyray Hall was a terrible (or good) parent, so not going to speculate, as people turning out horrible isn't always evidence of bad parenting either. There is, however,

u/drfunkenstien014

For me, he stood out because I grew up with people like this. They’d always have to one-up you on everything, would make all sorts of excuses as to why it was never their fault, make constant

u/pe1uca

AFAIK his name is Jason Thor Hall, so if people refer to him in any of these names I'd say it should be fine. But no, he bans people calling him Jason.

u/Supermunch2000

There was a video where [Joeyray Hall was talking about a thing that happened at Blizzard](https://youtu.be/gcmcmkPmW6c?t=3055) and he was going to call him Jason but corrected himself and ca

u/CardiologistMain7237

The guy is a narcissist. Plain and simple. He denies objective reality if it damages his ego or image. Which is sad, because when he started, people saw him as a kind of "Bob Ross of indie g

u/NopileosX2

He is one of those people where you can see the Dunning-Kruger effect in action for basically everything he does. He somehow got himself to believe he is very smart about all the things he ta

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Answer: he has been skyrocketing in popularity since 2023 or so. Acting like he’s this very wise, all knowing, very experienced developer, not in a pleasant way. Then he opposed SKG in such

u/HibbletonFan

That’s not the brag he thinks it is. To me it sounds like, I couldn’t have gotten my job at Blizzard without my dad’s help.

u/Soul-Burn

He made a nice six figures from a single stream hype train... Which is now being scrutinized for fraud. Considering his coding style, I'd ve discouraged to continue as well.

u/IHazMagics

Oh that's not even the most cringe. When referring to his dad and Blizzard he now refers to himself as "the first second gen Blizzard employee" which is just so cloying and needy.

u/Far_Breakfast_5808

As a follow-up: as someone who had never heard of PirateSoftware before the SKG drama, and knowing very little about WoW, what happened during that WoW raid, why was that raid a big deal, and

u/platinum1004

[Yes, as Joeyray says so himself in his AMA.](https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/3xjjbr/ama_joeyray_hall/cy58gf1/)

u/Prasiatko

Isn't that known as a nepo hire?

u/sgtfoleyistheman

I watched this guy on YouTube a few years ago. Some things he said sounded eloquent but they were all pretty shallow. Then He mentioned a few times how he worked QA at Amazon Games. I've be

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

despite admitting it by himself in a stream, lmfao.

u/IHazMagics

Personally I think it goes deeper then that. When people say they are of a generation to a place, they say that because it connects them to a people. Him saying that connects him to a kind

u/Supermunch2000

There was a video where [Joeyray Hall was talking about a thing that happened at Blizzard](https://youtu.be/gcmcmkPmW6c?t=3055) and he was going to call him Jason but corrected himself and ca

u/kafaldsbylur

Indeed, but also on a longer timescale, what is one guy working alone effectively becomes a team project between guy-two-years-ago, guy-one-year-ago, guy-today, guy-one-year-from-now, etc. I

u/Eilavamp

He had a decent reputation before the wow incident, mostly because the most people really knew about him were his YouTube shorts. He went from obscurity to millions of twitch views in 2 month

u/Prasiatko

Isn't that known as a nepo hire?

u/XenusParadox

Not OP, but a gamedev commenting for advice. What discipline(s) would you like to explore more deeply? e.g. game design, programming, or artistic expression with these tools? If you're no

u/Prasiatko

Isn't that known as a nepo hire?

u/drfunkenstien014

For me, he stood out because I grew up with people like this. They’d always have to one-up you on everything, would make all sorts of excuses as to why it was never their fault, make constant

u/RoutineCloud5993

His dad also helped South Park create Make Love Not Warcraft, then Trey and Matt thought it would be funny to make the bad guy of the episode look a little like him.

u/nikelaos117

His dad called him out on stream that he didn't even say happy birthday to him. And the last text he sent him was saying happy birthday to him last year. So not only did he not reach out to h

u/Far_Breakfast_5808

As a follow-up: as someone who had never heard of PirateSoftware before the SKG drama, and knowing very little about WoW, what happened during that WoW raid, why was that raid a big deal, and

u/t_sarkkinen

To add some detail: apparently the game is very much like Undertale, which is why some people are calling it an Undertale clone. The code is apparently very rudimentary too. It has also taken

u/aznanimedude

The first one even

u/talc25

The cutscenes were fire! Warcraft 3 was phenomenal

u/project2501c

that explains who stole the breast milk.

u/ConspicuouslyBland

No problem, If I can answer properly, I will. If you do programming, or would like to do it, some of those videos pointing out the things he does wrong, are very educational.

u/eatmygerms

Ya but did you know his dad worked for Blizzard /j

u/OneTripleZero

The thing of it though, is that his advice to "just make games" *is* great advice, because you will always be better served (in an indie environment) actually doing work instead of endlessly

u/nikelaos117

His dad called him out on stream that he didn't even say happy birthday to him. And the last text he sent him was saying happy birthday to him last year. So not only did he not reach out to h

u/Far_Breakfast_5808

As a follow-up: as someone who had never heard of PirateSoftware before the SKG drama, and knowing very little about WoW, what happened during that WoW raid, why was that raid a big deal, and

u/Diet-Still

Oh a YouTuber influencer in tech/hacking/development that have 0 skill but talk a lot? *shocked face*

u/kafaldsbylur

The proper way is indeed to separate the conversations from the code. You can make a generic conversation/event handler that handles picking the appropriate conversation based on the current

u/AloneAddiction

His *dad* deserves every bit of praise coming to him because his cinematic abilities are excellent. I'd even go so far as to say Blizzard cinematics were the best in the game industry.

u/Gazboolean

I played the game and was genuinely baffled about how incomplete it was. The worst part is I enjoyed what was there, as far as the story being told, but it being so incomplete was such a wast

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Answer: he has been skyrocketing in popularity since 2023 or so. Acting like he’s this very wise, all knowing, very experienced developer, not in a pleasant way. Then he opposed SKG in such

u/theBoyWonder_

His ego is probably what is holding him back from doing that. He probably wants to still be able to tout himself as a game dev but people will hold his failure to finish Heartbound over his h

u/vlladonxxx

I can really relate to that. For instance, I'm a second generation father. Don't have my own kids as of yet, but my father does.

u/platinum1004

You want to know what's worse? He treats his dad like absolute shit as well - [he forgot his dad's birthday, and when his dad calls him out on it, he doesn't even apologise (or even say happ

u/t_sarkkinen

To add some detail: apparently the game is very much like Undertale, which is why some people are calling it an Undertale clone. The code is apparently very rudimentary too. It has also taken

u/engelthefallen

To add to what the others said, before his raid went south, we trashed others players for having a raid also result in deaths listing all the ways he would have been able to save that raid if

u/ciaomeridian

Can we not call him Thor. Clowns name is Jason lol. Everything he says about himself is a lie.

u/sterling_mallory

Two I think. He published a self-help book that he wrote in one sitting overnight that became a best seller. "Wish it, Want it, Do it." Then he published his novel "Faster Than the Speed of L

u/Certesis

Answer: He's made a lot of contradictory statements, like saying that [he never talks about blizzard,](https://youtu.be/Y03L5KlXDLg) and saying that [he isn't a "nepo baby" and then describin

u/Diet-Still

Oh a YouTuber influencer in tech/hacking/development that have 0 skill but talk a lot? *shocked face*

u/kafaldsbylur

Indeed, but also on a longer timescale, what is one guy working alone effectively becomes a team project between guy-two-years-ago, guy-one-year-ago, guy-today, guy-one-year-from-now, etc. I

u/ciaomeridian

Can we not call him Thor. Clowns name is Jason lol. Everything he says about himself is a lie.

u/vlladonxxx

I can really relate to that. For instance, I'm a second generation father. Don't have my own kids as of yet, but my father does.

u/AnticipateMe

If you take a look at *all* of his game dev category streams on twitch from the past. Every single one he does nothing. Maybe he scrolls up and down and changes some values, but I've never fo

u/Hartastic

Totally agree with all of this and I want to be extra clear that I'm not excusing this bad implementation with what I say next. In a sense he can get away with these decisions up to a point

u/Far_Breakfast_5808

As a follow-up: as someone who had never heard of PirateSoftware before the SKG drama, and knowing very little about WoW, what happened during that WoW raid, why was that raid a big deal, and

u/CyberClawX

Coding needs structure though (specially nowadays, with many DLCs and patches). Well, it doesn't, but writing code by the skin of your pants will create enormous technical debt. You'll create

u/Jay_JWLH

Kind of reminds me of Brian from Family Guy. Stewie is always giving him crap, because Brian constantly sells himself as an avid book reader with high intelligence that is writing his own nov

u/theBoyWonder_

His ego is probably what is holding him back from doing that. He probably wants to still be able to tout himself as a game dev but people will hold his failure to finish Heartbound over his h

u/DarkflowNZ

The same way a writer should "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, but the point is you have to do it. There comes a point where no am

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Answer: he has been skyrocketing in popularity since 2023 or so. Acting like he’s this very wise, all knowing, very experienced developer, not in a pleasant way. Then he opposed SKG in such

u/Prasiatko

Isn't that known as a nepo hire?

u/ZombieJasus

That wouldn't make it any better, as he raised money for the game from Kickstarter almost a decade ago, and has sold many copies in steam early access. He owes a complete game to all the peop

u/theB1ackSwan

I mean, I can say that's fair. He doesn't go by that name as far as I'm aware, and misnaming anyone is just antisocial behavior (when you do it on purpose)

u/Prasiatko

Isn't that known as a nepo hire?

u/Soul-Burn

He made a nice six figures from a single stream hype train... Which is now being scrutinized for fraud. Considering his coding style, I'd ve discouraged to continue as well.

u/CyberClawX

Coding needs structure though (specially nowadays, with many DLCs and patches). Well, it doesn't, but writing code by the skin of your pants will create enormous technical debt. You'll create

u/Pyritedust

I have the same problem, I bought it in 2019 and I liked what was there, and was rather hopeful it would go on to be finished. It's one of the games that soured me on most early access titles

u/TheOnly_Anti

Answer: The increased attention to him has drawn scrutiny over his past. This scrutiny and the anger from his opposition to SKG has made him the target of an online rage campaign.

u/ZombieJasus

That wouldn't make it any better, as he raised money for the game from Kickstarter almost a decade ago, and has sold many copies in steam early access. He owes a complete game to all the peop

u/DarkflowNZ

The same way a writer should "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, but the point is you have to do it. There comes a point where no am

u/TheSupr1

Oh, that was good!

u/IHazMagics

The message is somewhat undercut and devalued when the person delivering tbat message does a lot of very public things that are against the spirit of his messages. Because im sure there aren

u/Etheo

Eh, I don't know. I'm not a fan of the guy but I wouldn't be too judgy on that. Who knows what their family relationship is like? For all we know maybe the Dad did deserve it. Or didn't, w

u/project2501c

that explains who stole the breast milk.

u/sgtfoleyistheman

I watched this guy on YouTube a few years ago. Some things he said sounded eloquent but they were all pretty shallow. Then He mentioned a few times how he worked QA at Amazon Games. I've be

u/sharfpang

> "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, In some cases. In others, not. The two species of writers, Plotters vs Pantsers. Plotter

u/scalyblue

Heartbound does have a staggering amount of content from a certain point of view, but it’s not content that player is going to ever see. It has a branching system of dialog that offers choic

u/ThatGenericName2

It's funny to me that he absolutely acknowledges that the first time he was hired he only got the job because he was a nepo baby, but then tries to claim that the second time he was hired was

u/sgtfoleyistheman

I watched this guy on YouTube a few years ago. Some things he said sounded eloquent but they were all pretty shallow. Then He mentioned a few times how he worked QA at Amazon Games. I've be

u/DarkflowNZ

The same way a writer should "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, but the point is you have to do it. There comes a point where no am

u/Gazboolean

Answer: PirateSoftware has positioned himself as a professional in the game development space. The SKG stuff caused people to scrutinise his background and found it lacking from both a develo

u/Eilavamp

He had a decent reputation before the wow incident, mostly because the most people really knew about him were his YouTube shorts. He went from obscurity to millions of twitch views in 2 month

u/IHazMagics

Personally I think it goes deeper then that. When people say they are of a generation to a place, they say that because it connects them to a people. Him saying that connects him to a kind

u/SonderEber

No no no, he’s a second gen employee! /s He actually has said he’s a nepo baby.

u/Prasiatko

Isn't that known as a nepo hire?

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

even if his dad seserved it, Jason himself proved time and time again that he is a compulsive liar, an imposter and adorns himself with borrowed plumes

u/Certesis

Answer: He's made a lot of contradictory statements, like saying that [he never talks about blizzard,](https://youtu.be/Y03L5KlXDLg) and saying that [he isn't a "nepo baby" and then describin

u/KuroShiroTaka

Yeah, if that one stream with the therapist (Healthy Gamers IIRC) was any indication, it sounds like the reasons he refused to apologize or own up is cus he sees that as showing weakness or s

u/Gazboolean

Yeah it’s fascinating to see a very fragile ego (in the most literal sense and not judgementally) in real time. There’s definitely some part of him that truly believes if he gives an inch eve

u/Goaliedude3919

He apparently forgot he said that, because now he claims not to be a nepo hire lol https://youtu.be/WzPAePAFl58?si=4_MY7_CZLZV3ZQGo

u/ZombieJasus

That wouldn't make it any better, as he raised money for the game from Kickstarter almost a decade ago, and has sold many copies in steam early access. He owes a complete game to all the peop

u/nikelaos117

His dad called him out on stream that he didn't even say happy birthday to him. And the last text he sent him was saying happy birthday to him last year. So not only did he not reach out to h

u/Tamerlechatlevrai

The problem with not spending any time on heartbound is that people paid to finance the development on Kickstarter, so abandoning the project is a bad look if not possibly illegal. I don't th

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Answer: he has been skyrocketing in popularity since 2023 or so. Acting like he’s this very wise, all knowing, very experienced developer, not in a pleasant way. Then he opposed SKG in such

u/messick

Wonder if his dad is embarrassed his son is spreading his secret shame all over town, lol. j/k, some of my best co-workers are former Blizzard engineers.

u/TeaAndS0da

His dad was also the template for the villain in Make Love Not Warcraft.

u/ConspicuouslyBland

No problem, If I can answer properly, I will. If you do programming, or would like to do it, some of those videos pointing out the things he does wrong, are very educational.

u/SpadeSage

Answer: PirateSoftware never knows when to back down is the short answer. The longer answer: PirateSoftware constantly makes small comments that when analyzed in a stream environment a

u/OneTripleZero

The thing of it though, is that his advice to "just make games" *is* great advice, because you will always be better served (in an indie environment) actually doing work instead of endlessly

u/Hartastic

Up to a point, yes, but there are also points at which that line of thinking breaks down. Like, is it better to ship something than not to ship something, 100% yes. Is it still a problem if

u/SnabDedraterEdave

Thank you for actually answering the question for complete OOL-folks like me who don't even know who this clown is and what his relation is to this recent SKG movement.

u/Hartastic

100%. One of my least proud professional moments is coming to work one Monday, looking at some code and trying to figure out what the hell the developer was doing with it and why and, check

u/platinum1004

[Yes, as Joeyray says so himself in his AMA.](https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/3xjjbr/ama_joeyray_hall/cy58gf1/)

u/Certesis

Answer: He's made a lot of contradictory statements, like saying that [he never talks about blizzard,](https://youtu.be/Y03L5KlXDLg) and saying that [he isn't a "nepo baby" and then describin

u/Soul-Burn

He made a nice six figures from a single stream hype train... Which is now being scrutinized for fraud. Considering his coding style, I'd ve discouraged to continue as well.

u/DiasFlac42

It’s all been explained already, but it’s worth noting that Thor had previously derided other players that were playing Mages in similar situations and said that they could/should have done m

u/project2501c

The milk?

u/Gazboolean

I played the game and was genuinely baffled about how incomplete it was. The worst part is I enjoyed what was there, as far as the story being told, but it being so incomplete was such a wast

u/Tehtime

His programming is bad in ways that are fundamental. The issues aren't "an expert in this should write this way better", it's "a literal college intern is expected to do better than this"

u/Mr_ToDo

Oh goodness, that sounds just awful But now that we're here, what *is* the proper way to handle conversations where there's so many slight variations? I can imagine that if it's just pieces

u/Gazboolean

Something worth knowing is they were playing Hardcore WoW Classic. The classic version of the game takes a lot of time to progress and the hardcore version of the game means if you die you do

u/CyberClawX

Coding needs structure though (specially nowadays, with many DLCs and patches). Well, it doesn't, but writing code by the skin of your pants will create enormous technical debt. You'll create

u/Soul-Burn

He made a nice six figures from a single stream hype train... Which is now being scrutinized for fraud. Considering his coding style, I'd ve discouraged to continue as well.

u/PointBlue

No way Lmao. Imagine sucking on blizzards tits that you invoke multiple generations.

u/Shadow-melder

Thanks for sharing about his dad, what little I've seen second-hand of this drama I never knew what he actually did. I immediately recognized the name from the character "Joey Ray" featured

u/Jay_JWLH

I've seen videos constructively criticizing his coding. For the very few times that any VOD's he has of him actually coding, the coding was done poorly using bad practices. Then you add all

u/Etheo

Eh, I don't know. I'm not a fan of the guy but I wouldn't be too judgy on that. Who knows what their family relationship is like? For all we know maybe the Dad did deserve it. Or didn't, w

u/Whats-his-nuts

As someone trying to pick up game creation in my free time, what did you like and not like about this message? Follow up, any people/resources you could point me to to get better, especially

u/bionicjoey

Proud nepo baby lol

u/engelthefallen

To add to what the others said, before his raid went south, we trashed others players for having a raid also result in deaths listing all the ways he would have been able to save that raid if

u/vlladonxxx

I can really relate to that. For instance, I'm a second generation father. Don't have my own kids as of yet, but my father does.

u/kafaldsbylur

The proper way is indeed to separate the conversations from the code. You can make a generic conversation/event handler that handles picking the appropriate conversation based on the current

u/aeschenkarnos

He raised that guy, so there’s some evidence.

u/ConspicuouslyBland

No problem, If I can answer properly, I will. If you do programming, or would like to do it, some of those videos pointing out the things he does wrong, are very educational.

u/project2501c

that explains who stole the breast milk.

u/SpadeSage

Answer: PirateSoftware never knows when to back down is the short answer. The longer answer: PirateSoftware constantly makes small comments that when analyzed in a stream environment a

u/HibbletonFan

That’s not the brag he thinks it is. To me it sounds like, I couldn’t have gotten my job at Blizzard without my dad’s help.

u/Gazboolean

At least that is a respectable position to take. He just won’t let go of it and continues to say he’s developing the game and that it’ll be released.

u/vlladonxxx

I can really relate to that. For instance, I'm a second generation father. Don't have my own kids as of yet, but my father does.

u/XenusParadox

Not OP, but a gamedev commenting for advice. What discipline(s) would you like to explore more deeply? e.g. game design, programming, or artistic expression with these tools? If you're no

u/PointBlue

No way Lmao. Imagine sucking on blizzards tits that you invoke multiple generations.

u/boat_

I know it's silly to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point, but I wouldn't blame him if he just came out and said that he makes more money from streaming and doesn't have the drive

u/Mr_ToDo

Oh goodness, that sounds just awful But now that we're here, what *is* the proper way to handle conversations where there's so many slight variations? I can imagine that if it's just pieces

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

he also worked as a QA at blizzard, which isn't a considerably prestigious position either.

u/KeepSwinging

He really likes to cherry pick reality to his liking. Did the same thing by doing a collab with the roach covered trash man right after his twitch ban for racist comments by crying “we’re jus

u/Gazboolean

Something worth knowing is they were playing Hardcore WoW Classic. The classic version of the game takes a lot of time to progress and the hardcore version of the game means if you die you do

u/KuroShiroTaka

Yeah, if that one stream with the therapist (Healthy Gamers IIRC) was any indication, it sounds like the reasons he refused to apologize or own up is cus he sees that as showing weakness or s

u/WronglyAcused

Well you werent unbiased

u/PorkChop007

Indeed, for many years they were the gold standard. I mean, back in 2009 the WotLK cinematic had a tremendous impact, it had a technical and narrative quality far beyond anything almost anyon

u/Gazboolean

Answer: PirateSoftware has positioned himself as a professional in the game development space. The SKG stuff caused people to scrutinise his background and found it lacking from both a develo

u/Gazboolean

Answer: PirateSoftware has positioned himself as a professional in the game development space. The SKG stuff caused people to scrutinise his background and found it lacking from both a develo

u/platinum1004

[Yes, as Joeyray says so himself in his AMA.](https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/3xjjbr/ama_joeyray_hall/cy58gf1/)

u/NeviBevi

Oh, but he loses his mind if you point out he is a nepotism baby

u/ConspicuouslyBland

No problem, If I can answer properly, I will. If you do programming, or would like to do it, some of those videos pointing out the things he does wrong, are very educational.

u/Prasiatko

Isn't that known as a nepo hire?

u/SonderEber

No no no, he’s a second gen employee! /s He actually has said he’s a nepo baby.

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

despite admitting it by himself in a stream, lmfao.

u/scalyblue

Heartbound does have a staggering amount of content from a certain point of view, but it’s not content that player is going to ever see. It has a branching system of dialog that offers choic

u/Hartastic

Totally agree with all of this and I want to be extra clear that I'm not excusing this bad implementation with what I say next. In a sense he can get away with these decisions up to a point

u/Pico144

Honestly as much as the codebase is dogshit, I don't agree with claims made by Coding Jesus that this won't ever be finished because of the codebase. It's a simple game, so while the codebase

u/LegoClaes

So brave for him to literally never talk about that too

u/drfunkenstien014

For me, he stood out because I grew up with people like this. They’d always have to one-up you on everything, would make all sorts of excuses as to why it was never their fault, make constant

u/Fanfics

Answer: He's a popular content creator who's kind of a jerk sometimes. He made a video about Stop Killing Games that a lot of people didn't like, and then proceeded to react really badly when

u/ThatGenericName2

It's funny to me that he absolutely acknowledges that the first time he was hired he only got the job because he was a nepo baby, but then tries to claim that the second time he was hired was

u/Taira_Mai

Answer: His actions during a WOW raid and his vitriol directed at Stop Killing Games caused a lot of other Youtubers to dig into his past. He's been caught using his phone to solve puzzles o

u/ciaomeridian

Can we not call him Thor. Clowns name is Jason lol. Everything he says about himself is a lie.

u/ZombieJasus

That wouldn't make it any better, as he raised money for the game from Kickstarter almost a decade ago, and has sold many copies in steam early access. He owes a complete game to all the peop

u/LegoClaes

So brave for him to literally never talk about that too

u/ciaomeridian

Can we not call him Thor. Clowns name is Jason lol. Everything he says about himself is a lie.

u/KuroShiroTaka

Yeah, if that one stream with the therapist (Healthy Gamers IIRC) was any indication, it sounds like the reasons he refused to apologize or own up is cus he sees that as showing weakness or s

u/DarkflowNZ

The same way a writer should "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, but the point is you have to do it. There comes a point where no am

u/eatmygerms

Ya but did you know his dad worked for Blizzard /j

u/Eilavamp

He had a decent reputation before the wow incident, mostly because the most people really knew about him were his YouTube shorts. He went from obscurity to millions of twitch views in 2 month

u/messick

Wonder if his dad is embarrassed his son is spreading his secret shame all over town, lol. j/k, some of my best co-workers are former Blizzard engineers.

u/DiasFlac42

It’s all been explained already, but it’s worth noting that Thor had previously derided other players that were playing Mages in similar situations and said that they could/should have done m

u/SonderEber

The latest drama is apparently him paying one of his discord mods to buy bits on Twitch for his (Pirate) stream. Basically it has been claimed he manufactured a Twitch Hype Train.

u/XenusParadox

Not OP, but a gamedev commenting for advice. What discipline(s) would you like to explore more deeply? e.g. game design, programming, or artistic expression with these tools? If you're no

u/sharfpang

> "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, In some cases. In others, not. The two species of writers, Plotters vs Pantsers. Plotter

u/KuroShiroTaka

Yeah, if that one stream with the therapist (Healthy Gamers IIRC) was any indication, it sounds like the reasons he refused to apologize or own up is cus he sees that as showing weakness or s

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Ah, didn't know that part yet. I expect the algorithm will present it shortly.

u/CardiologistMain7237

The guy is a narcissist. Plain and simple. He denies objective reality if it damages his ego or image. Which is sad, because when he started, people saw him as a kind of "Bob Ross of indie g

u/bionicjoey

Proud nepo baby lol

u/Taira_Mai

Answer: His actions during a WOW raid and his vitriol directed at Stop Killing Games caused a lot of other Youtubers to dig into his past. He's been caught using his phone to solve puzzles o

u/VagueSomething

His behaviour in the raid was an absolute nothing burger. It was a minor thing that drama streamers turned into a huge thing for content which became even bigger because he couldn't apologise

u/lilahking

yeah, bro has multiple children. one kid turning out to be an asshole isn't on the parents. i should know, my parents are great and i suck

u/beachedwhale1945

Really ironic coming from a guy who made a short saying you need to spend more time with your grandparents before they die. Something like “If they have two years left and you call them once

u/IHazMagics

Personally I think it goes deeper then that. When people say they are of a generation to a place, they say that because it connects them to a people. Him saying that connects him to a kind

u/lilahking

yeah, bro has multiple children. one kid turning out to be an asshole isn't on the parents. i should know, my parents are great and i suck

u/Whats-his-nuts

As someone trying to pick up game creation in my free time, what did you like and not like about this message? Follow up, any people/resources you could point me to to get better, especially

u/SonderEber

The latest drama is apparently him paying one of his discord mods to buy bits on Twitch for his (Pirate) stream. Basically it has been claimed he manufactured a Twitch Hype Train.

u/vlladonxxx

I can really relate to that. For instance, I'm a second generation father. Don't have my own kids as of yet, but my father does.

u/Tehtime

His literal reaction to the criticism videos of his code wasn't "dude I'm not a software engineer you're right all your criticisms are correct", which is what you'd think a sane non-programme

u/aznanimedude

The first one even

u/PewPewDesertRat

The instant he gave his take on VPNs, I knew he was a fraud. He’s just a contrarian that says whatever sounds good to him.

u/Pyritedust

I have the same problem, I bought it in 2019 and I liked what was there, and was rather hopeful it would go on to be finished. It's one of the games that soured me on most early access titles

u/Tehtime

Then he shouldn't pretend he's some elite hacker. He would show some modesty, accept criticism, admit mistakes, grow and learn. Instead he would double and triple down, call everyone a grift

u/messick

Wonder if his dad is embarrassed his son is spreading his secret shame all over town, lol. j/k, some of my best co-workers are former Blizzard engineers.

u/NeviBevi

Oh, but he loses his mind if you point out he is a nepotism baby

u/samsoncorpus

True, I'm not a game dev and I don't know anything about coding, and when I play a game I don't need to know how optimized the code is as long as the game runs, but like I said If someone con

u/Atrium41

He also never calls his dad Said he almost went a year without talking to him

u/PewPewDesertRat

The instant he gave his take on VPNs, I knew he was a fraud. He’s just a contrarian that says whatever sounds good to him.

u/Pico144

Mostly agreed, to clarify - heartbound is already 8 years in development, still in early access and has about 3 hours of content. Oh, and he lied last year on multiple occasions that the game

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

despite admitting it by himself in a stream, lmfao.

u/SonderEber

No no no, he’s a second gen employee! /s He actually has said he’s a nepo baby.

u/KeepSwinging

He really likes to cherry pick reality to his liking. Did the same thing by doing a collab with the roach covered trash man right after his twitch ban for racist comments by crying “we’re jus

u/Etheo

Eh, I don't know. I'm not a fan of the guy but I wouldn't be too judgy on that. Who knows what their family relationship is like? For all we know maybe the Dad did deserve it. Or didn't, w

u/theB1ackSwan

I mean, I can say that's fair. He doesn't go by that name as far as I'm aware, and misnaming anyone is just antisocial behavior (when you do it on purpose)

u/DarkflowNZ

Reminds me of the possibly apocryphal story of the con board that featured a bunch of writers including George R. R. Martin and Stephen King. GRRM says something to the effect of "I don't kno

u/Eilavamp

He had a decent reputation before the wow incident, mostly because the most people really knew about him were his YouTube shorts. He went from obscurity to millions of twitch views in 2 month

u/Atrium41

He also never calls his dad Said he almost went a year without talking to him

u/nikelaos117

His dad called him out on stream that he didn't even say happy birthday to him. And the last text he sent him was saying happy birthday to him last year. So not only did he not reach out to h

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Answer: he has been skyrocketing in popularity since 2023 or so. Acting like he’s this very wise, all knowing, very experienced developer, not in a pleasant way. Then he opposed SKG in such

u/Eamonsieur

In Stephen King’s autobiography *On Writing*, he talks about how lots of fans come up to him and say they always wanted to be a writer, but when he asks them what they’ve written, none of the

u/Etheo

Eh, I don't know. I'm not a fan of the guy but I wouldn't be too judgy on that. Who knows what their family relationship is like? For all we know maybe the Dad did deserve it. Or didn't, w

u/Gazboolean

I played the game and was genuinely baffled about how incomplete it was. The worst part is I enjoyed what was there, as far as the story being told, but it being so incomplete was such a wast

u/DarkflowNZ

Reminds me of the possibly apocryphal story of the con board that featured a bunch of writers including George R. R. Martin and Stephen King. GRRM says something to the effect of "I don't kno

u/vlladonxxx

I can really relate to that. For instance, I'm a second generation father. Don't have my own kids as of yet, but my father does.

u/Gazboolean

Something worth knowing is they were playing Hardcore WoW Classic. The classic version of the game takes a lot of time to progress and the hardcore version of the game means if you die you do

u/Gazboolean

Yeah it’s fascinating to see a very fragile ego (in the most literal sense and not judgementally) in real time. There’s definitely some part of him that truly believes if he gives an inch eve

u/Jay_JWLH

I've seen videos constructively criticizing his coding. For the very few times that any VOD's he has of him actually coding, the coding was done poorly using bad practices. Then you add all

u/Taira_Mai

Answer: His actions during a WOW raid and his vitriol directed at Stop Killing Games caused a lot of other Youtubers to dig into his past. He's been caught using his phone to solve puzzles o

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

even if his dad seserved it, Jason himself proved time and time again that he is a compulsive liar, an imposter and adorns himself with borrowed plumes

u/Gazboolean

At least that is a respectable position to take. He just won’t let go of it and continues to say he’s developing the game and that it’ll be released.

u/Pico144

Honestly as much as the codebase is dogshit, I don't agree with claims made by Coding Jesus that this won't ever be finished because of the codebase. It's a simple game, so while the codebase

u/Hartastic

100%. One of my least proud professional moments is coming to work one Monday, looking at some code and trying to figure out what the hell the developer was doing with it and why and, check

u/Pico144

Honestly as much as the codebase is dogshit, I don't agree with claims made by Coding Jesus that this won't ever be finished because of the codebase. It's a simple game, so while the codebase

u/LegoClaes

So brave for him to literally never talk about that too

u/Gazboolean

At least that is a respectable position to take. He just won’t let go of it and continues to say he’s developing the game and that it’ll be released.

u/aznanimedude

The first one even

u/t_sarkkinen

To add some detail: apparently the game is very much like Undertale, which is why some people are calling it an Undertale clone. The code is apparently very rudimentary too. It has also taken

u/aznanimedude

The first one even

u/aznanimedude

The first one even

u/eatmygerms

Ya but did you know his dad worked for Blizzard /j

u/theB1ackSwan

I mean, I can say that's fair. He doesn't go by that name as far as I'm aware, and misnaming anyone is just antisocial behavior (when you do it on purpose)

u/project2501c

that explains who stole the breast milk.

u/Supermunch2000

There was a video where [Joeyray Hall was talking about a thing that happened at Blizzard](https://youtu.be/gcmcmkPmW6c?t=3055) and he was going to call him Jason but corrected himself and ca

u/nikelaos117

His dad called him out on stream that he didn't even say happy birthday to him. And the last text he sent him was saying happy birthday to him last year. So not only did he not reach out to h

u/iTwango

His "just make games" and his advice on being/becoming a programmer/dev always rubbed me the wrong way, tbh. As someone who has legit education in computer sciences, it seemed either disingen

u/platinum1004

[Yes, as Joeyray says so himself in his AMA.](https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/3xjjbr/ama_joeyray_hall/cy58gf1/)

u/Hartastic

Totally agree with all of this and I want to be extra clear that I'm not excusing this bad implementation with what I say next. In a sense he can get away with these decisions up to a point

u/DiasFlac42

It’s all been explained already, but it’s worth noting that Thor had previously derided other players that were playing Mages in similar situations and said that they could/should have done m

u/theB1ackSwan

I mean, I can say that's fair. He doesn't go by that name as far as I'm aware, and misnaming anyone is just antisocial behavior (when you do it on purpose)

u/pe1uca

AFAIK his name is Jason Thor Hall, so if people refer to him in any of these names I'd say it should be fine. But no, he bans people calling him Jason.

u/NopileosX2

He is one of those people where you can see the Dunning-Kruger effect in action for basically everything he does. He somehow got himself to believe he is very smart about all the things he ta

u/engelthefallen

To add to what the others said, before his raid went south, we trashed others players for having a raid also result in deaths listing all the ways he would have been able to save that raid if

u/RoutineCloud5993

His dad also helped South Park create Make Love Not Warcraft, then Trey and Matt thought it would be funny to make the bad guy of the episode look a little like him.

u/PewPewDesertRat

The instant he gave his take on VPNs, I knew he was a fraud. He’s just a contrarian that says whatever sounds good to him.

u/IHazMagics

Oh that's not even the most cringe. When referring to his dad and Blizzard he now refers to himself as "the first second gen Blizzard employee" which is just so cloying and needy.

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Ah, didn't know that part yet. I expect the algorithm will present it shortly.

u/project2501c

The milk?

u/TeaAndS0da

His dad was also the template for the villain in Make Love Not Warcraft.

u/Whats-his-nuts

As someone trying to pick up game creation in my free time, what did you like and not like about this message? Follow up, any people/resources you could point me to to get better, especially

u/RoutineCloud5993

His dad also helped South Park create Make Love Not Warcraft, then Trey and Matt thought it would be funny to make the bad guy of the episode look a little like him.

u/PewPewDesertRat

The instant he gave his take on VPNs, I knew he was a fraud. He’s just a contrarian that says whatever sounds good to him.

u/theBoyWonder_

His ego is probably what is holding him back from doing that. He probably wants to still be able to tout himself as a game dev but people will hold his failure to finish Heartbound over his h

u/ThatGenericName2

It's funny to me that he absolutely acknowledges that the first time he was hired he only got the job because he was a nepo baby, but then tries to claim that the second time he was hired was

u/KuroShiroTaka

Yeah, if that one stream with the therapist (Healthy Gamers IIRC) was any indication, it sounds like the reasons he refused to apologize or own up is cus he sees that as showing weakness or s

u/project2501c

The milk?

u/Jay_JWLH

Kind of reminds me of Brian from Family Guy. Stewie is always giving him crap, because Brian constantly sells himself as an avid book reader with high intelligence that is writing his own nov

u/engelthefallen

To add to what the others said, before his raid went south, we trashed others players for having a raid also result in deaths listing all the ways he would have been able to save that raid if

u/Pico144

We all have our online nicknames, even if he chooses one that he doesn't live up to, like Thor, I'm gonna respect that even though I despise the guy However I absolutely love the movement to

u/theB1ackSwan

I mean, I can say that's fair. He doesn't go by that name as far as I'm aware, and misnaming anyone is just antisocial behavior (when you do it on purpose)

u/lilahking

yeah, bro has multiple children. one kid turning out to be an asshole isn't on the parents. i should know, my parents are great and i suck

u/Goaliedude3919

He apparently forgot he said that, because now he claims not to be a nepo hire lol https://youtu.be/WzPAePAFl58?si=4_MY7_CZLZV3ZQGo

u/beachedwhale1945

Really ironic coming from a guy who made a short saying you need to spend more time with your grandparents before they die. Something like “If they have two years left and you call them once

u/lilahking

yeah, bro has multiple children. one kid turning out to be an asshole isn't on the parents. i should know, my parents are great and i suck

u/SonderEber

The latest drama is apparently him paying one of his discord mods to buy bits on Twitch for his (Pirate) stream. Basically it has been claimed he manufactured a Twitch Hype Train.

u/NopileosX2

He is one of those people where you can see the Dunning-Kruger effect in action for basically everything he does. He somehow got himself to believe he is very smart about all the things he ta

u/Pico144

We all have our online nicknames, even if he chooses one that he doesn't live up to, like Thor, I'm gonna respect that even though I despise the guy However I absolutely love the movement to

u/theBoyWonder_

His ego is probably what is holding him back from doing that. He probably wants to still be able to tout himself as a game dev but people will hold his failure to finish Heartbound over his h

u/kafaldsbylur

Indeed, but also on a longer timescale, what is one guy working alone effectively becomes a team project between guy-two-years-ago, guy-one-year-ago, guy-today, guy-one-year-from-now, etc. I

u/ciaomeridian

Can we not call him Thor. Clowns name is Jason lol. Everything he says about himself is a lie.

u/zeldagold

I thought he doesn't have his code open on stream, and has config files for like Minecraft and such. It seems like coding reviewers have to go hunting to find examples of his actual coding

u/beachedwhale1945

Really ironic coming from a guy who made a short saying you need to spend more time with your grandparents before they die. Something like “If they have two years left and you call them once

u/aznanimedude

The first one even

u/Certesis

Answer: He's made a lot of contradictory statements, like saying that [he never talks about blizzard,](https://youtu.be/Y03L5KlXDLg) and saying that [he isn't a "nepo baby" and then describin

u/aznanimedude

The first one even

u/Far_Breakfast_5808

As a follow-up: as someone who had never heard of PirateSoftware before the SKG drama, and knowing very little about WoW, what happened during that WoW raid, why was that raid a big deal, and

u/Jay_JWLH

I've seen videos constructively criticizing his coding. For the very few times that any VOD's he has of him actually coding, the coding was done poorly using bad practices. Then you add all

u/OneTripleZero

The thing of it though, is that his advice to "just make games" *is* great advice, because you will always be better served (in an indie environment) actually doing work instead of endlessly

u/bionicjoey

Proud nepo baby lol

u/platinum1004

[Yes, as Joeyray says so himself in his AMA.](https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/3xjjbr/ama_joeyray_hall/cy58gf1/)

u/Gazboolean

Something worth knowing is they were playing Hardcore WoW Classic. The classic version of the game takes a lot of time to progress and the hardcore version of the game means if you die you do

u/t_sarkkinen

To add some detail: apparently the game is very much like Undertale, which is why some people are calling it an Undertale clone. The code is apparently very rudimentary too. It has also taken

u/SonderEber

The latest drama is apparently him paying one of his discord mods to buy bits on Twitch for his (Pirate) stream. Basically it has been claimed he manufactured a Twitch Hype Train.

u/DarkflowNZ

Reminds me of the possibly apocryphal story of the con board that featured a bunch of writers including George R. R. Martin and Stephen King. GRRM says something to the effect of "I don't kno

u/Diet-Still

Oh a YouTuber influencer in tech/hacking/development that have 0 skill but talk a lot? *shocked face*

u/talc25

The cutscenes were fire! Warcraft 3 was phenomenal

u/theB1ackSwan

I mean, I can say that's fair. He doesn't go by that name as far as I'm aware, and misnaming anyone is just antisocial behavior (when you do it on purpose)

u/Jay_JWLH

Kind of reminds me of Brian from Family Guy. Stewie is always giving him crap, because Brian constantly sells himself as an avid book reader with high intelligence that is writing his own nov

u/Pico144

Mostly agreed, to clarify - heartbound is already 8 years in development, still in early access and has about 3 hours of content. Oh, and he lied last year on multiple occasions that the game

u/t_sarkkinen

To add some detail: apparently the game is very much like Undertale, which is why some people are calling it an Undertale clone. The code is apparently very rudimentary too. It has also taken

u/Taira_Mai

He "roached" on a raid - on stream, his party was on a very difficult map where if you die you lose your character. His actions during the raid were bad enough (despite his claims of being a

u/TheOnly_Anti

Answer: The increased attention to him has drawn scrutiny over his past. This scrutiny and the anger from his opposition to SKG has made him the target of an online rage campaign.

u/Porn_Alt_84

He also manipulated one of his fans for sexual and financial favors.

u/project2501c

The milk?

u/LSF604

Sure. But, it's not exactly surprising that someone working on an indie game isn't a great coder.

u/Jay_JWLH

Kind of reminds me of Brian from Family Guy. Stewie is always giving him crap, because Brian constantly sells himself as an avid book reader with high intelligence that is writing his own nov

u/SonderEber

The latest drama is apparently him paying one of his discord mods to buy bits on Twitch for his (Pirate) stream. Basically it has been claimed he manufactured a Twitch Hype Train.

u/PewPewDesertRat

The instant he gave his take on VPNs, I knew he was a fraud. He’s just a contrarian that says whatever sounds good to him.

u/Taira_Mai

Answer: His actions during a WOW raid and his vitriol directed at Stop Killing Games caused a lot of other Youtubers to dig into his past. He's been caught using his phone to solve puzzles o

u/ciaomeridian

Can we not call him Thor. Clowns name is Jason lol. Everything he says about himself is a lie.

u/theBoyWonder_

His ego is probably what is holding him back from doing that. He probably wants to still be able to tout himself as a game dev but people will hold his failure to finish Heartbound over his h

u/DarkflowNZ

Reminds me of the possibly apocryphal story of the con board that featured a bunch of writers including George R. R. Martin and Stephen King. GRRM says something to the effect of "I don't kno

u/bionicjoey

Proud nepo baby lol

u/KeepSwinging

He really likes to cherry pick reality to his liking. Did the same thing by doing a collab with the roach covered trash man right after his twitch ban for racist comments by crying “we’re jus

u/Certesis

Answer: He's made a lot of contradictory statements, like saying that [he never talks about blizzard,](https://youtu.be/Y03L5KlXDLg) and saying that [he isn't a "nepo baby" and then describin

u/Taira_Mai

He "roached" on a raid - on stream, his party was on a very difficult map where if you die you lose your character. His actions during the raid were bad enough (despite his claims of being a

u/beachedwhale1945

Really ironic coming from a guy who made a short saying you need to spend more time with your grandparents before they die. Something like “If they have two years left and you call them once

u/ThatGenericName2

It's funny to me that he absolutely acknowledges that the first time he was hired he only got the job because he was a nepo baby, but then tries to claim that the second time he was hired was

u/CardiologistMain7237

The guy is a narcissist. Plain and simple. He denies objective reality if it damages his ego or image. Which is sad, because when he started, people saw him as a kind of "Bob Ross of indie g

u/sterling_mallory

Two I think. He published a self-help book that he wrote in one sitting overnight that became a best seller. "Wish it, Want it, Do it." Then he published his novel "Faster Than the Speed of L

u/Diet-Still

Oh a YouTuber influencer in tech/hacking/development that have 0 skill but talk a lot? *shocked face*

u/SonderEber

Did you know he’s a second generation Blizzard employee? Did you know he worked for Blizzard?!?!?! Guys!!! He worked for Blizzard!!!

u/Etheo

Eh, I don't know. I'm not a fan of the guy but I wouldn't be too judgy on that. Who knows what their family relationship is like? For all we know maybe the Dad did deserve it. Or didn't, w

u/pe1uca

AFAIK his name is Jason Thor Hall, so if people refer to him in any of these names I'd say it should be fine. But no, he bans people calling him Jason.

u/platinum1004

There's no evidence Joeyray Hall was a terrible (or good) parent, so not going to speculate, as people turning out horrible isn't always evidence of bad parenting either. There is, however,

u/project2501c

that explains who stole the breast milk.

u/TheOnly_Anti

Answer: The increased attention to him has drawn scrutiny over his past. This scrutiny and the anger from his opposition to SKG has made him the target of an online rage campaign.

u/KuroShiroTaka

Yeah, if that one stream with the therapist (Healthy Gamers IIRC) was any indication, it sounds like the reasons he refused to apologize or own up is cus he sees that as showing weakness or s

u/Shadow-melder

Thanks for sharing about his dad, what little I've seen second-hand of this drama I never knew what he actually did. I immediately recognized the name from the character "Joey Ray" featured

u/Pico144

We all have our online nicknames, even if he chooses one that he doesn't live up to, like Thor, I'm gonna respect that even though I despise the guy However I absolutely love the movement to

u/platinum1004

[Yes, as Joeyray says so himself in his AMA.](https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/3xjjbr/ama_joeyray_hall/cy58gf1/)

u/Taira_Mai

He "roached" on a raid - on stream, his party was on a very difficult map where if you die you lose your character. His actions during the raid were bad enough (despite his claims of being a

u/project2501c

that explains who stole the breast milk.

u/Gazboolean

I played the game and was genuinely baffled about how incomplete it was. The worst part is I enjoyed what was there, as far as the story being told, but it being so incomplete was such a wast

u/nikelaos117

His dad called him out on stream that he didn't even say happy birthday to him. And the last text he sent him was saying happy birthday to him last year. So not only did he not reach out to h

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Answer: he has been skyrocketing in popularity since 2023 or so. Acting like he’s this very wise, all knowing, very experienced developer, not in a pleasant way. Then he opposed SKG in such

u/TheSupr1

Oh, that was good!

u/iTwango

His "just make games" and his advice on being/becoming a programmer/dev always rubbed me the wrong way, tbh. As someone who has legit education in computer sciences, it seemed either disingen

u/SonderEber

Did you know he’s a second generation Blizzard employee? Did you know he worked for Blizzard?!?!?! Guys!!! He worked for Blizzard!!!

u/LegoClaes

So brave for him to literally never talk about that too

u/SonderEber

Did you know he’s a second generation Blizzard employee? Did you know he worked for Blizzard?!?!?! Guys!!! He worked for Blizzard!!!

u/sharfpang

> "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, In some cases. In others, not. The two species of writers, Plotters vs Pantsers. Plotter

u/t_sarkkinen

To add some detail: apparently the game is very much like Undertale, which is why some people are calling it an Undertale clone. The code is apparently very rudimentary too. It has also taken

u/Gazboolean

Answer: PirateSoftware has positioned himself as a professional in the game development space. The SKG stuff caused people to scrutinise his background and found it lacking from both a develo

u/PointBlue

No way Lmao. Imagine sucking on blizzards tits that you invoke multiple generations.

u/kafaldsbylur

The proper way is indeed to separate the conversations from the code. You can make a generic conversation/event handler that handles picking the appropriate conversation based on the current

u/Tehtime

Well, there are aspects of hacking that require strong software engineering skills, but sure. Had he been more honest that he's the type of hacker that focuses on physical and social, which i

u/Jay_JWLH

Kind of reminds me of Brian from Family Guy. Stewie is always giving him crap, because Brian constantly sells himself as an avid book reader with high intelligence that is writing his own nov

u/Soul-Burn

He made a nice six figures from a single stream hype train... Which is now being scrutinized for fraud. Considering his coding style, I'd ve discouraged to continue as well.

u/kafaldsbylur

The proper way is indeed to separate the conversations from the code. You can make a generic conversation/event handler that handles picking the appropriate conversation based on the current

u/SonderEber

No no no, he’s a second gen employee! /s He actually has said he’s a nepo baby.

u/beachedwhale1945

Really ironic coming from a guy who made a short saying you need to spend more time with your grandparents before they die. Something like “If they have two years left and you call them once

u/PointBlue

No way Lmao. Imagine sucking on blizzards tits that you invoke multiple generations.

u/project2501c

that explains who stole the breast milk.

u/sharfpang

> "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, In some cases. In others, not. The two species of writers, Plotters vs Pantsers. Plotter

u/Tamerlechatlevrai

The problem with not spending any time on heartbound is that people paid to finance the development on Kickstarter, so abandoning the project is a bad look if not possibly illegal. I don't th

u/iTwango

His "just make games" and his advice on being/becoming a programmer/dev always rubbed me the wrong way, tbh. As someone who has legit education in computer sciences, it seemed either disingen

u/Jay_JWLH

I've seen videos constructively criticizing his coding. For the very few times that any VOD's he has of him actually coding, the coding was done poorly using bad practices. Then you add all

u/LegoClaes

So brave for him to literally never talk about that too

u/PewPewDesertRat

The instant he gave his take on VPNs, I knew he was a fraud. He’s just a contrarian that says whatever sounds good to him.

u/engelthefallen

To add to what the others said, before his raid went south, we trashed others players for having a raid also result in deaths listing all the ways he would have been able to save that raid if

u/AloneAddiction

His *dad* deserves every bit of praise coming to him because his cinematic abilities are excellent. I'd even go so far as to say Blizzard cinematics were the best in the game industry.

u/SpadeSage

Answer: PirateSoftware never knows when to back down is the short answer. The longer answer: PirateSoftware constantly makes small comments that when analyzed in a stream environment a

u/Hartastic

Totally agree with all of this and I want to be extra clear that I'm not excusing this bad implementation with what I say next. In a sense he can get away with these decisions up to a point

u/SonderEber

Did you know he’s a second generation Blizzard employee? Did you know he worked for Blizzard?!?!?! Guys!!! He worked for Blizzard!!!

u/IHazMagics

Oh that's not even the most cringe. When referring to his dad and Blizzard he now refers to himself as "the first second gen Blizzard employee" which is just so cloying and needy.

u/messick

Wonder if his dad is embarrassed his son is spreading his secret shame all over town, lol. j/k, some of my best co-workers are former Blizzard engineers.

u/SonderEber

The latest drama is apparently him paying one of his discord mods to buy bits on Twitch for his (Pirate) stream. Basically it has been claimed he manufactured a Twitch Hype Train.

u/ZombieJasus

That wouldn't make it any better, as he raised money for the game from Kickstarter almost a decade ago, and has sold many copies in steam early access. He owes a complete game to all the peop

u/CyberClawX

Coding needs structure though (specially nowadays, with many DLCs and patches). Well, it doesn't, but writing code by the skin of your pants will create enormous technical debt. You'll create

u/HibbletonFan

That’s not the brag he thinks it is. To me it sounds like, I couldn’t have gotten my job at Blizzard without my dad’s help.

u/IHazMagics

Oh that's not even the most cringe. When referring to his dad and Blizzard he now refers to himself as "the first second gen Blizzard employee" which is just so cloying and needy.

u/platinum1004

You want to know what's worse? He treats his dad like absolute shit as well - [he forgot his dad's birthday, and when his dad calls him out on it, he doesn't even apologise (or even say happ

u/SonderEber

Did you know he’s a second generation Blizzard employee? Did you know he worked for Blizzard?!?!?! Guys!!! He worked for Blizzard!!!

u/Jay_JWLH

I've seen videos constructively criticizing his coding. For the very few times that any VOD's he has of him actually coding, the coding was done poorly using bad practices. Then you add all

u/PewPewDesertRat

The instant he gave his take on VPNs, I knew he was a fraud. He’s just a contrarian that says whatever sounds good to him.

u/talc25

The cutscenes were fire! Warcraft 3 was phenomenal

u/TheSupr1

Oh, that was good!

u/SonderEber

The latest drama is apparently him paying one of his discord mods to buy bits on Twitch for his (Pirate) stream. Basically it has been claimed he manufactured a Twitch Hype Train.

u/vlladonxxx

I can really relate to that. For instance, I'm a second generation father. Don't have my own kids as of yet, but my father does.

u/scalyblue

Heartbound does have a staggering amount of content from a certain point of view, but it’s not content that player is going to ever see. It has a branching system of dialog that offers choic

u/Pico144

Mostly agreed, to clarify - heartbound is already 8 years in development, still in early access and has about 3 hours of content. Oh, and he lied last year on multiple occasions that the game

u/Pico144

Mostly agreed, to clarify - heartbound is already 8 years in development, still in early access and has about 3 hours of content. Oh, and he lied last year on multiple occasions that the game

u/IHazMagics

Oh that's not even the most cringe. When referring to his dad and Blizzard he now refers to himself as "the first second gen Blizzard employee" which is just so cloying and needy.

u/Pyritedust

I have the same problem, I bought it in 2019 and I liked what was there, and was rather hopeful it would go on to be finished. It's one of the games that soured me on most early access titles

u/kafaldsbylur

The proper way is indeed to separate the conversations from the code. You can make a generic conversation/event handler that handles picking the appropriate conversation based on the current

u/Goaliedude3919

He apparently forgot he said that, because now he claims not to be a nepo hire lol https://youtu.be/WzPAePAFl58?si=4_MY7_CZLZV3ZQGo

u/SonderEber

No no no, he’s a second gen employee! /s He actually has said he’s a nepo baby.

u/TheOnly_Anti

Answer: The increased attention to him has drawn scrutiny over his past. This scrutiny and the anger from his opposition to SKG has made him the target of an online rage campaign.

u/AnticipateMe

If you take a look at *all* of his game dev category streams on twitch from the past. Every single one he does nothing. Maybe he scrolls up and down and changes some values, but I've never fo

u/XenusParadox

Not OP, but a gamedev commenting for advice. What discipline(s) would you like to explore more deeply? e.g. game design, programming, or artistic expression with these tools? If you're no

u/zeldagold

I thought he doesn't have his code open on stream, and has config files for like Minecraft and such. It seems like coding reviewers have to go hunting to find examples of his actual coding

u/Jay_JWLH

I've seen videos constructively criticizing his coding. For the very few times that any VOD's he has of him actually coding, the coding was done poorly using bad practices. Then you add all

u/Gazboolean

Something worth knowing is they were playing Hardcore WoW Classic. The classic version of the game takes a lot of time to progress and the hardcore version of the game means if you die you do

u/PorkChop007

Indeed, for many years they were the gold standard. I mean, back in 2009 the WotLK cinematic had a tremendous impact, it had a technical and narrative quality far beyond anything almost anyon

u/Gazboolean

At least that is a respectable position to take. He just won’t let go of it and continues to say he’s developing the game and that it’ll be released.

u/Whats-his-nuts

As someone trying to pick up game creation in my free time, what did you like and not like about this message? Follow up, any people/resources you could point me to to get better, especially

u/lilahking

yeah, bro has multiple children. one kid turning out to be an asshole isn't on the parents. i should know, my parents are great and i suck

u/theBoyWonder_

His ego is probably what is holding him back from doing that. He probably wants to still be able to tout himself as a game dev but people will hold his failure to finish Heartbound over his h

u/TeaAndS0da

His dad was also the template for the villain in Make Love Not Warcraft.

u/Gazboolean

I played the game and was genuinely baffled about how incomplete it was. The worst part is I enjoyed what was there, as far as the story being told, but it being so incomplete was such a wast

u/zeldagold

I thought he doesn't have his code open on stream, and has config files for like Minecraft and such. It seems like coding reviewers have to go hunting to find examples of his actual coding

u/XenusParadox

Not OP, but a gamedev commenting for advice. What discipline(s) would you like to explore more deeply? e.g. game design, programming, or artistic expression with these tools? If you're no

u/Whats-his-nuts

As someone trying to pick up game creation in my free time, what did you like and not like about this message? Follow up, any people/resources you could point me to to get better, especially

u/lilahking

yeah, bro has multiple children. one kid turning out to be an asshole isn't on the parents. i should know, my parents are great and i suck

u/ConspicuouslyBland

No problem, If I can answer properly, I will. If you do programming, or would like to do it, some of those videos pointing out the things he does wrong, are very educational.

u/Taira_Mai

He "roached" on a raid - on stream, his party was on a very difficult map where if you die you lose your character. His actions during the raid were bad enough (despite his claims of being a

u/Gazboolean

Answer: PirateSoftware has positioned himself as a professional in the game development space. The SKG stuff caused people to scrutinise his background and found it lacking from both a develo

u/talc25

The cutscenes were fire! Warcraft 3 was phenomenal

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

despite admitting it by himself in a stream, lmfao.

u/TheSupr1

Oh, that was good!

u/Jay_JWLH

I've seen videos constructively criticizing his coding. For the very few times that any VOD's he has of him actually coding, the coding was done poorly using bad practices. Then you add all

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

he also worked as a QA at blizzard, which isn't a considerably prestigious position either.

u/Soul-Burn

He made a nice six figures from a single stream hype train... Which is now being scrutinized for fraud. Considering his coding style, I'd ve discouraged to continue as well.

u/SonderEber

The latest drama is apparently him paying one of his discord mods to buy bits on Twitch for his (Pirate) stream. Basically it has been claimed he manufactured a Twitch Hype Train.

u/project2501c

that explains who stole the breast milk.

u/Eamonsieur

In Stephen King’s autobiography *On Writing*, he talks about how lots of fans come up to him and say they always wanted to be a writer, but when he asks them what they’ve written, none of the

u/NeviBevi

Oh, but he loses his mind if you point out he is a nepotism baby

u/HibbletonFan

That’s not the brag he thinks it is. To me it sounds like, I couldn’t have gotten my job at Blizzard without my dad’s help.

u/Atrium41

He also never calls his dad Said he almost went a year without talking to him

u/TeaAndS0da

His dad was also the template for the villain in Make Love Not Warcraft.

u/Mr_ToDo

Oh goodness, that sounds just awful But now that we're here, what *is* the proper way to handle conversations where there's so many slight variations? I can imagine that if it's just pieces

u/AnticipateMe

If you take a look at *all* of his game dev category streams on twitch from the past. Every single one he does nothing. Maybe he scrolls up and down and changes some values, but I've never fo

u/talc25

The cutscenes were fire! Warcraft 3 was phenomenal

u/Taira_Mai

Answer: His actions during a WOW raid and his vitriol directed at Stop Killing Games caused a lot of other Youtubers to dig into his past. He's been caught using his phone to solve puzzles o

u/SonderEber

No no no, he’s a second gen employee! /s He actually has said he’s a nepo baby.

u/CardiologistMain7237

The guy is a narcissist. Plain and simple. He denies objective reality if it damages his ego or image. Which is sad, because when he started, people saw him as a kind of "Bob Ross of indie g

u/PorkChop007

Indeed, for many years they were the gold standard. I mean, back in 2009 the WotLK cinematic had a tremendous impact, it had a technical and narrative quality far beyond anything almost anyon

u/sterling_mallory

Two I think. He published a self-help book that he wrote in one sitting overnight that became a best seller. "Wish it, Want it, Do it." Then he published his novel "Faster Than the Speed of L

u/theBoyWonder_

His ego is probably what is holding him back from doing that. He probably wants to still be able to tout himself as a game dev but people will hold his failure to finish Heartbound over his h

u/platinum1004

You want to know what's worse? He treats his dad like absolute shit as well - [he forgot his dad's birthday, and when his dad calls him out on it, he doesn't even apologise (or even say happ

u/TeaAndS0da

His dad was also the template for the villain in Make Love Not Warcraft.

u/Pyritedust

I have the same problem, I bought it in 2019 and I liked what was there, and was rather hopeful it would go on to be finished. It's one of the games that soured me on most early access titles

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

he also worked as a QA at blizzard, which isn't a considerably prestigious position either.

u/Whats-his-nuts

As someone trying to pick up game creation in my free time, what did you like and not like about this message? Follow up, any people/resources you could point me to to get better, especially

u/project2501c

The milk?

u/Diet-Still

Oh a YouTuber influencer in tech/hacking/development that have 0 skill but talk a lot? *shocked face*

u/sterling_mallory

Two I think. He published a self-help book that he wrote in one sitting overnight that became a best seller. "Wish it, Want it, Do it." Then he published his novel "Faster Than the Speed of L

u/Supermunch2000

There was a video where [Joeyray Hall was talking about a thing that happened at Blizzard](https://youtu.be/gcmcmkPmW6c?t=3055) and he was going to call him Jason but corrected himself and ca

u/Certesis

Answer: He's made a lot of contradictory statements, like saying that [he never talks about blizzard,](https://youtu.be/Y03L5KlXDLg) and saying that [he isn't a "nepo baby" and then describin

u/messick

Wonder if his dad is embarrassed his son is spreading his secret shame all over town, lol. j/k, some of my best co-workers are former Blizzard engineers.

u/Prasiatko

Isn't that known as a nepo hire?

u/SpadeSage

Answer: PirateSoftware never knows when to back down is the short answer. The longer answer: PirateSoftware constantly makes small comments that when analyzed in a stream environment a

u/Prasiatko

Isn't that known as a nepo hire?

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Answer: he has been skyrocketing in popularity since 2023 or so. Acting like he’s this very wise, all knowing, very experienced developer, not in a pleasant way. Then he opposed SKG in such

u/Pico144

Honestly as much as the codebase is dogshit, I don't agree with claims made by Coding Jesus that this won't ever be finished because of the codebase. It's a simple game, so while the codebase

u/DarkflowNZ

Reminds me of the possibly apocryphal story of the con board that featured a bunch of writers including George R. R. Martin and Stephen King. GRRM says something to the effect of "I don't kno

u/eatmygerms

Ya but did you know his dad worked for Blizzard /j

u/DarkflowNZ

The same way a writer should "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, but the point is you have to do it. There comes a point where no am

u/Hartastic

100%. One of my least proud professional moments is coming to work one Monday, looking at some code and trying to figure out what the hell the developer was doing with it and why and, check

u/Pico144

We all have our online nicknames, even if he chooses one that he doesn't live up to, like Thor, I'm gonna respect that even though I despise the guy However I absolutely love the movement to

u/LSF604

that really depends on what they are making. Its perfectly valid to not be a good coder at all if you are making something that is technically simple. They only have to be good enough to ship

u/CardiologistMain7237

The guy is a narcissist. Plain and simple. He denies objective reality if it damages his ego or image. Which is sad, because when he started, people saw him as a kind of "Bob Ross of indie g

u/Gazboolean

Yeah it’s fascinating to see a very fragile ego (in the most literal sense and not judgementally) in real time. There’s definitely some part of him that truly believes if he gives an inch eve

u/sharfpang

> "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, In some cases. In others, not. The two species of writers, Plotters vs Pantsers. Plotter

u/RoutineCloud5993

His dad also helped South Park create Make Love Not Warcraft, then Trey and Matt thought it would be funny to make the bad guy of the episode look a little like him.

u/theBoyWonder_

His ego is probably what is holding him back from doing that. He probably wants to still be able to tout himself as a game dev but people will hold his failure to finish Heartbound over his h

u/Pico144

Honestly as much as the codebase is dogshit, I don't agree with claims made by Coding Jesus that this won't ever be finished because of the codebase. It's a simple game, so while the codebase

u/theB1ackSwan

I mean, I can say that's fair. He doesn't go by that name as far as I'm aware, and misnaming anyone is just antisocial behavior (when you do it on purpose)

u/boat_

I know it's silly to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point, but I wouldn't blame him if he just came out and said that he makes more money from streaming and doesn't have the drive

u/theBoyWonder_

His ego is probably what is holding him back from doing that. He probably wants to still be able to tout himself as a game dev but people will hold his failure to finish Heartbound over his h

u/platinum1004

[Yes, as Joeyray says so himself in his AMA.](https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/3xjjbr/ama_joeyray_hall/cy58gf1/)

u/theB1ackSwan

I mean, I can say that's fair. He doesn't go by that name as far as I'm aware, and misnaming anyone is just antisocial behavior (when you do it on purpose)

u/Whats-his-nuts

As someone trying to pick up game creation in my free time, what did you like and not like about this message? Follow up, any people/resources you could point me to to get better, especially

u/PewPewDesertRat

The instant he gave his take on VPNs, I knew he was a fraud. He’s just a contrarian that says whatever sounds good to him.

u/CardiologistMain7237

The guy is a narcissist. Plain and simple. He denies objective reality if it damages his ego or image. Which is sad, because when he started, people saw him as a kind of "Bob Ross of indie g

u/Gazboolean

At least that is a respectable position to take. He just won’t let go of it and continues to say he’s developing the game and that it’ll be released.

u/RoutineCloud5993

His dad also helped South Park create Make Love Not Warcraft, then Trey and Matt thought it would be funny to make the bad guy of the episode look a little like him.

u/DarkflowNZ

Reminds me of the possibly apocryphal story of the con board that featured a bunch of writers including George R. R. Martin and Stephen King. GRRM says something to the effect of "I don't kno

u/project2501c

that explains who stole the breast milk.

u/AnticipateMe

If you take a look at *all* of his game dev category streams on twitch from the past. Every single one he does nothing. Maybe he scrolls up and down and changes some values, but I've never fo

u/platinum1004

There's no evidence Joeyray Hall was a terrible (or good) parent, so not going to speculate, as people turning out horrible isn't always evidence of bad parenting either. There is, however,

u/Pico144

We all have our online nicknames, even if he chooses one that he doesn't live up to, like Thor, I'm gonna respect that even though I despise the guy However I absolutely love the movement to

u/sgtfoleyistheman

I watched this guy on YouTube a few years ago. Some things he said sounded eloquent but they were all pretty shallow. Then He mentioned a few times how he worked QA at Amazon Games. I've be

u/aznanimedude

The first one even

u/AnticipateMe

If you take a look at *all* of his game dev category streams on twitch from the past. Every single one he does nothing. Maybe he scrolls up and down and changes some values, but I've never fo

u/project2501c

The milk?

u/zeldagold

I thought he doesn't have his code open on stream, and has config files for like Minecraft and such. It seems like coding reviewers have to go hunting to find examples of his actual coding

u/Diet-Still

Oh a YouTuber influencer in tech/hacking/development that have 0 skill but talk a lot? *shocked face*

u/pe1uca

AFAIK his name is Jason Thor Hall, so if people refer to him in any of these names I'd say it should be fine. But no, he bans people calling him Jason.

u/theBoyWonder_

His ego is probably what is holding him back from doing that. He probably wants to still be able to tout himself as a game dev but people will hold his failure to finish Heartbound over his h

u/platinum1004

[Yes, as Joeyray says so himself in his AMA.](https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/3xjjbr/ama_joeyray_hall/cy58gf1/)

u/Hartastic

100%. One of my least proud professional moments is coming to work one Monday, looking at some code and trying to figure out what the hell the developer was doing with it and why and, check

u/DarkflowNZ

The same way a writer should "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, but the point is you have to do it. There comes a point where no am

u/Pyritedust

I have the same problem, I bought it in 2019 and I liked what was there, and was rather hopeful it would go on to be finished. It's one of the games that soured me on most early access titles

u/Eilavamp

He had a decent reputation before the wow incident, mostly because the most people really knew about him were his YouTube shorts. He went from obscurity to millions of twitch views in 2 month

u/Diet-Still

Oh a YouTuber influencer in tech/hacking/development that have 0 skill but talk a lot? *shocked face*

u/AnticipateMe

If you take a look at *all* of his game dev category streams on twitch from the past. Every single one he does nothing. Maybe he scrolls up and down and changes some values, but I've never fo

u/KuroShiroTaka

Yeah, if that one stream with the therapist (Healthy Gamers IIRC) was any indication, it sounds like the reasons he refused to apologize or own up is cus he sees that as showing weakness or s

u/t_sarkkinen

To add some detail: apparently the game is very much like Undertale, which is why some people are calling it an Undertale clone. The code is apparently very rudimentary too. It has also taken

u/project2501c

The milk?

u/Prasiatko

Isn't that known as a nepo hire?

u/boat_

I know it's silly to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point, but I wouldn't blame him if he just came out and said that he makes more money from streaming and doesn't have the drive

u/nikelaos117

His dad called him out on stream that he didn't even say happy birthday to him. And the last text he sent him was saying happy birthday to him last year. So not only did he not reach out to h

u/Pico144

We all have our online nicknames, even if he chooses one that he doesn't live up to, like Thor, I'm gonna respect that even though I despise the guy However I absolutely love the movement to

u/Pyritedust

I have the same problem, I bought it in 2019 and I liked what was there, and was rather hopeful it would go on to be finished. It's one of the games that soured me on most early access titles

u/RoutineCloud5993

His dad also helped South Park create Make Love Not Warcraft, then Trey and Matt thought it would be funny to make the bad guy of the episode look a little like him.

u/Gazboolean

At least that is a respectable position to take. He just won’t let go of it and continues to say he’s developing the game and that it’ll be released.

u/platinum1004

[Yes, as Joeyray says so himself in his AMA.](https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/3xjjbr/ama_joeyray_hall/cy58gf1/)

u/IHazMagics

The message is somewhat undercut and devalued when the person delivering tbat message does a lot of very public things that are against the spirit of his messages. Because im sure there aren

u/project2501c

The milk?

u/Goaliedude3919

He apparently forgot he said that, because now he claims not to be a nepo hire lol https://youtu.be/WzPAePAFl58?si=4_MY7_CZLZV3ZQGo

u/SonderEber

The latest drama is apparently him paying one of his discord mods to buy bits on Twitch for his (Pirate) stream. Basically it has been claimed he manufactured a Twitch Hype Train.

u/NopileosX2

He is one of those people where you can see the Dunning-Kruger effect in action for basically everything he does. He somehow got himself to believe he is very smart about all the things he ta

u/OneTripleZero

The thing of it though, is that his advice to "just make games" *is* great advice, because you will always be better served (in an indie environment) actually doing work instead of endlessly

u/Taira_Mai

He "roached" on a raid - on stream, his party was on a very difficult map where if you die you lose your character. His actions during the raid were bad enough (despite his claims of being a

u/Gazboolean

Answer: PirateSoftware has positioned himself as a professional in the game development space. The SKG stuff caused people to scrutinise his background and found it lacking from both a develo

u/Atrium41

He also never calls his dad Said he almost went a year without talking to him

u/SpadeSage

Answer: PirateSoftware never knows when to back down is the short answer. The longer answer: PirateSoftware constantly makes small comments that when analyzed in a stream environment a

u/Gazboolean

Answer: PirateSoftware has positioned himself as a professional in the game development space. The SKG stuff caused people to scrutinise his background and found it lacking from both a develo

u/SonderEber

No no no, he’s a second gen employee! /s He actually has said he’s a nepo baby.

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Answer: he has been skyrocketing in popularity since 2023 or so. Acting like he’s this very wise, all knowing, very experienced developer, not in a pleasant way. Then he opposed SKG in such

u/KeepSwinging

He really likes to cherry pick reality to his liking. Did the same thing by doing a collab with the roach covered trash man right after his twitch ban for racist comments by crying “we’re jus

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

even if his dad seserved it, Jason himself proved time and time again that he is a compulsive liar, an imposter and adorns himself with borrowed plumes

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

despite admitting it by himself in a stream, lmfao.

u/TeaAndS0da

His dad was also the template for the villain in Make Love Not Warcraft.

u/kafaldsbylur

Indeed, but also on a longer timescale, what is one guy working alone effectively becomes a team project between guy-two-years-ago, guy-one-year-ago, guy-today, guy-one-year-from-now, etc. I

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Answer: he has been skyrocketing in popularity since 2023 or so. Acting like he’s this very wise, all knowing, very experienced developer, not in a pleasant way. Then he opposed SKG in such

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

he also worked as a QA at blizzard, which isn't a considerably prestigious position either.

u/boat_

I know it's silly to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point, but I wouldn't blame him if he just came out and said that he makes more money from streaming and doesn't have the drive

u/TeaAndS0da

His dad was also the template for the villain in Make Love Not Warcraft.

u/Gazboolean

At least that is a respectable position to take. He just won’t let go of it and continues to say he’s developing the game and that it’ll be released.

u/Tamerlechatlevrai

The problem with not spending any time on heartbound is that people paid to finance the development on Kickstarter, so abandoning the project is a bad look if not possibly illegal. I don't th

u/Soul-Burn

He made a nice six figures from a single stream hype train... Which is now being scrutinized for fraud. Considering his coding style, I'd ve discouraged to continue as well.

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

despite admitting it by himself in a stream, lmfao.

u/Gazboolean

Yeah it’s fascinating to see a very fragile ego (in the most literal sense and not judgementally) in real time. There’s definitely some part of him that truly believes if he gives an inch eve

u/kafaldsbylur

Indeed, but also on a longer timescale, what is one guy working alone effectively becomes a team project between guy-two-years-ago, guy-one-year-ago, guy-today, guy-one-year-from-now, etc. I

u/sharfpang

> "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, In some cases. In others, not. The two species of writers, Plotters vs Pantsers. Plotter

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

he also worked as a QA at blizzard, which isn't a considerably prestigious position either.

u/SpadeSage

Answer: PirateSoftware never knows when to back down is the short answer. The longer answer: PirateSoftware constantly makes small comments that when analyzed in a stream environment a

u/boat_

I know it's silly to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point, but I wouldn't blame him if he just came out and said that he makes more money from streaming and doesn't have the drive

u/Eilavamp

He had a decent reputation before the wow incident, mostly because the most people really knew about him were his YouTube shorts. He went from obscurity to millions of twitch views in 2 month

u/AloneAddiction

His *dad* deserves every bit of praise coming to him because his cinematic abilities are excellent. I'd even go so far as to say Blizzard cinematics were the best in the game industry.

u/Eamonsieur

In Stephen King’s autobiography *On Writing*, he talks about how lots of fans come up to him and say they always wanted to be a writer, but when he asks them what they’ve written, none of the

u/PointBlue

No way Lmao. Imagine sucking on blizzards tits that you invoke multiple generations.

u/CyberClawX

Coding needs structure though (specially nowadays, with many DLCs and patches). Well, it doesn't, but writing code by the skin of your pants will create enormous technical debt. You'll create

u/boat_

I know it's silly to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point, but I wouldn't blame him if he just came out and said that he makes more money from streaming and doesn't have the drive

u/Certesis

Answer: He's made a lot of contradictory statements, like saying that [he never talks about blizzard,](https://youtu.be/Y03L5KlXDLg) and saying that [he isn't a "nepo baby" and then describin

u/DiasFlac42

It’s all been explained already, but it’s worth noting that Thor had previously derided other players that were playing Mages in similar situations and said that they could/should have done m

u/SpadeSage

Answer: PirateSoftware never knows when to back down is the short answer. The longer answer: PirateSoftware constantly makes small comments that when analyzed in a stream environment a

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

even if his dad seserved it, Jason himself proved time and time again that he is a compulsive liar, an imposter and adorns himself with borrowed plumes

u/boat_

I know it's silly to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point, but I wouldn't blame him if he just came out and said that he makes more money from streaming and doesn't have the drive

u/KuroShiroTaka

Yeah, if that one stream with the therapist (Healthy Gamers IIRC) was any indication, it sounds like the reasons he refused to apologize or own up is cus he sees that as showing weakness or s

u/drfunkenstien014

For me, he stood out because I grew up with people like this. They’d always have to one-up you on everything, would make all sorts of excuses as to why it was never their fault, make constant

u/HibbletonFan

That’s not the brag he thinks it is. To me it sounds like, I couldn’t have gotten my job at Blizzard without my dad’s help.

u/ciaomeridian

Can we not call him Thor. Clowns name is Jason lol. Everything he says about himself is a lie.

u/sterling_mallory

Two I think. He published a self-help book that he wrote in one sitting overnight that became a best seller. "Wish it, Want it, Do it." Then he published his novel "Faster Than the Speed of L

u/Pico144

We all have our online nicknames, even if he chooses one that he doesn't live up to, like Thor, I'm gonna respect that even though I despise the guy However I absolutely love the movement to

u/t_sarkkinen

To add some detail: apparently the game is very much like Undertale, which is why some people are calling it an Undertale clone. The code is apparently very rudimentary too. It has also taken

u/LSF604

Those are game dev industry. There are divisions of labor. Artists, designers, producers, managers, qa, programmers, sound, and more. Outside of small indie dev you stick to one role, and are

u/Shadow-melder

Thanks for sharing about his dad, what little I've seen second-hand of this drama I never knew what he actually did. I immediately recognized the name from the character "Joey Ray" featured

u/TeaAndS0da

His dad was also the template for the villain in Make Love Not Warcraft.

u/EinMuffin

How is getting help with a resume the same as being a nepo baby? Not defending the dude, but that argument doesn't make sense

u/Gazboolean

I played the game and was genuinely baffled about how incomplete it was. The worst part is I enjoyed what was there, as far as the story being told, but it being so incomplete was such a wast

u/PewPewDesertRat

The instant he gave his take on VPNs, I knew he was a fraud. He’s just a contrarian that says whatever sounds good to him.

u/beachedwhale1945

Really ironic coming from a guy who made a short saying you need to spend more time with your grandparents before they die. Something like “If they have two years left and you call them once

u/Gazboolean

At least that is a respectable position to take. He just won’t let go of it and continues to say he’s developing the game and that it’ll be released.

u/Atrium41

He also never calls his dad Said he almost went a year without talking to him

u/Etheo

Eh, I don't know. I'm not a fan of the guy but I wouldn't be too judgy on that. Who knows what their family relationship is like? For all we know maybe the Dad did deserve it. Or didn't, w

u/KuroShiroTaka

Yeah, if that one stream with the therapist (Healthy Gamers IIRC) was any indication, it sounds like the reasons he refused to apologize or own up is cus he sees that as showing weakness or s

u/Gazboolean

I played the game and was genuinely baffled about how incomplete it was. The worst part is I enjoyed what was there, as far as the story being told, but it being so incomplete was such a wast

u/talc25

The cutscenes were fire! Warcraft 3 was phenomenal

u/Jay_JWLH

I've seen videos constructively criticizing his coding. For the very few times that any VOD's he has of him actually coding, the coding was done poorly using bad practices. Then you add all

u/Certesis

Answer: He's made a lot of contradictory statements, like saying that [he never talks about blizzard,](https://youtu.be/Y03L5KlXDLg) and saying that [he isn't a "nepo baby" and then describin

u/TheOnly_Anti

Answer: The increased attention to him has drawn scrutiny over his past. This scrutiny and the anger from his opposition to SKG has made him the target of an online rage campaign.

u/PointBlue

No way Lmao. Imagine sucking on blizzards tits that you invoke multiple generations.

u/PointBlue

No way Lmao. Imagine sucking on blizzards tits that you invoke multiple generations.

u/bionicjoey

Proud nepo baby lol

u/ThatGenericName2

It's funny to me that he absolutely acknowledges that the first time he was hired he only got the job because he was a nepo baby, but then tries to claim that the second time he was hired was

u/Taira_Mai

Answer: His actions during a WOW raid and his vitriol directed at Stop Killing Games caused a lot of other Youtubers to dig into his past. He's been caught using his phone to solve puzzles o

u/DarkflowNZ

The same way a writer should "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, but the point is you have to do it. There comes a point where no am

u/PointBlue

No way Lmao. Imagine sucking on blizzards tits that you invoke multiple generations.

u/AloneAddiction

His *dad* deserves every bit of praise coming to him because his cinematic abilities are excellent. I'd even go so far as to say Blizzard cinematics were the best in the game industry.

u/drfunkenstien014

For me, he stood out because I grew up with people like this. They’d always have to one-up you on everything, would make all sorts of excuses as to why it was never their fault, make constant

u/GodOD400

Oh no the horror

u/Mr_ToDo

Oh goodness, that sounds just awful But now that we're here, what *is* the proper way to handle conversations where there's so many slight variations? I can imagine that if it's just pieces

u/TeaAndS0da

His dad was also the template for the villain in Make Love Not Warcraft.

u/beachedwhale1945

Really ironic coming from a guy who made a short saying you need to spend more time with your grandparents before they die. Something like “If they have two years left and you call them once

u/Soul-Burn

He made a nice six figures from a single stream hype train... Which is now being scrutinized for fraud. Considering his coding style, I'd ve discouraged to continue as well.

u/Eilavamp

He had a decent reputation before the wow incident, mostly because the most people really knew about him were his YouTube shorts. He went from obscurity to millions of twitch views in 2 month

u/Taira_Mai

Answer: His actions during a WOW raid and his vitriol directed at Stop Killing Games caused a lot of other Youtubers to dig into his past. He's been caught using his phone to solve puzzles o

u/AloneAddiction

His *dad* deserves every bit of praise coming to him because his cinematic abilities are excellent. I'd even go so far as to say Blizzard cinematics were the best in the game industry.

u/AnticipateMe

If you take a look at *all* of his game dev category streams on twitch from the past. Every single one he does nothing. Maybe he scrolls up and down and changes some values, but I've never fo

u/SonderEber

The latest drama is apparently him paying one of his discord mods to buy bits on Twitch for his (Pirate) stream. Basically it has been claimed he manufactured a Twitch Hype Train.

u/platinum1004

There's no evidence Joeyray Hall was a terrible (or good) parent, so not going to speculate, as people turning out horrible isn't always evidence of bad parenting either. There is, however,

u/KuroShiroTaka

Yeah, if that one stream with the therapist (Healthy Gamers IIRC) was any indication, it sounds like the reasons he refused to apologize or own up is cus he sees that as showing weakness or s

u/Hartastic

100%. One of my least proud professional moments is coming to work one Monday, looking at some code and trying to figure out what the hell the developer was doing with it and why and, check

u/zeldagold

I thought he doesn't have his code open on stream, and has config files for like Minecraft and such. It seems like coding reviewers have to go hunting to find examples of his actual coding

u/Pico144

We all have our online nicknames, even if he chooses one that he doesn't live up to, like Thor, I'm gonna respect that even though I despise the guy However I absolutely love the movement to

u/beachedwhale1945

Really ironic coming from a guy who made a short saying you need to spend more time with your grandparents before they die. Something like “If they have two years left and you call them once

u/NeviBevi

Oh, but he loses his mind if you point out he is a nepotism baby

u/ThatGenericName2

It's funny to me that he absolutely acknowledges that the first time he was hired he only got the job because he was a nepo baby, but then tries to claim that the second time he was hired was

u/NeviBevi

Oh, but he loses his mind if you point out he is a nepotism baby

u/Pyritedust

I have the same problem, I bought it in 2019 and I liked what was there, and was rather hopeful it would go on to be finished. It's one of the games that soured me on most early access titles

u/ZombieJasus

That wouldn't make it any better, as he raised money for the game from Kickstarter almost a decade ago, and has sold many copies in steam early access. He owes a complete game to all the peop

u/scalyblue

Heartbound does have a staggering amount of content from a certain point of view, but it’s not content that player is going to ever see. It has a branching system of dialog that offers choic

u/DarkflowNZ

The same way a writer should "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, but the point is you have to do it. There comes a point where no am

u/NeviBevi

Oh, but he loses his mind if you point out he is a nepotism baby

u/Gazboolean

Yeah it’s fascinating to see a very fragile ego (in the most literal sense and not judgementally) in real time. There’s definitely some part of him that truly believes if he gives an inch eve

u/PorkChop007

Indeed, for many years they were the gold standard. I mean, back in 2009 the WotLK cinematic had a tremendous impact, it had a technical and narrative quality far beyond anything almost anyon

u/ZombieJasus

That wouldn't make it any better, as he raised money for the game from Kickstarter almost a decade ago, and has sold many copies in steam early access. He owes a complete game to all the peop

u/TehEefan

As someone currently learning coding at university, the stuff I learnt to do in my first year is miles better in terms of good practice.

u/zeldagold

I thought he doesn't have his code open on stream, and has config files for like Minecraft and such. It seems like coding reviewers have to go hunting to find examples of his actual coding

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Answer: he has been skyrocketing in popularity since 2023 or so. Acting like he’s this very wise, all knowing, very experienced developer, not in a pleasant way. Then he opposed SKG in such

u/Pyritedust

I have the same problem, I bought it in 2019 and I liked what was there, and was rather hopeful it would go on to be finished. It's one of the games that soured me on most early access titles

u/OneTripleZero

The thing of it though, is that his advice to "just make games" *is* great advice, because you will always be better served (in an indie environment) actually doing work instead of endlessly

u/lilahking

yeah, bro has multiple children. one kid turning out to be an asshole isn't on the parents. i should know, my parents are great and i suck

u/LegoClaes

So brave for him to literally never talk about that too

u/Eilavamp

He had a decent reputation before the wow incident, mostly because the most people really knew about him were his YouTube shorts. He went from obscurity to millions of twitch views in 2 month

u/Gazboolean

Something worth knowing is they were playing Hardcore WoW Classic. The classic version of the game takes a lot of time to progress and the hardcore version of the game means if you die you do

u/SpadeSage

Answer: PirateSoftware never knows when to back down is the short answer. The longer answer: PirateSoftware constantly makes small comments that when analyzed in a stream environment a

u/AloneAddiction

His *dad* deserves every bit of praise coming to him because his cinematic abilities are excellent. I'd even go so far as to say Blizzard cinematics were the best in the game industry.

u/pe1uca

AFAIK his name is Jason Thor Hall, so if people refer to him in any of these names I'd say it should be fine. But no, he bans people calling him Jason.

u/SpadeSage

Answer: PirateSoftware never knows when to back down is the short answer. The longer answer: PirateSoftware constantly makes small comments that when analyzed in a stream environment a

u/Certesis

Answer: He's made a lot of contradictory statements, like saying that [he never talks about blizzard,](https://youtu.be/Y03L5KlXDLg) and saying that [he isn't a "nepo baby" and then describin

u/Pico144

Honestly as much as the codebase is dogshit, I don't agree with claims made by Coding Jesus that this won't ever be finished because of the codebase. It's a simple game, so while the codebase

u/PointBlue

No way Lmao. Imagine sucking on blizzards tits that you invoke multiple generations.

u/platinum1004

[Yes, as Joeyray says so himself in his AMA.](https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/3xjjbr/ama_joeyray_hall/cy58gf1/)

u/Gazboolean

Yeah it’s fascinating to see a very fragile ego (in the most literal sense and not judgementally) in real time. There’s definitely some part of him that truly believes if he gives an inch eve

u/sharfpang

> "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, In some cases. In others, not. The two species of writers, Plotters vs Pantsers. Plotter

u/Whats-his-nuts

As someone trying to pick up game creation in my free time, what did you like and not like about this message? Follow up, any people/resources you could point me to to get better, especially

u/Jay_JWLH

Kind of reminds me of Brian from Family Guy. Stewie is always giving him crap, because Brian constantly sells himself as an avid book reader with high intelligence that is writing his own nov

u/Gazboolean

I played the game and was genuinely baffled about how incomplete it was. The worst part is I enjoyed what was there, as far as the story being told, but it being so incomplete was such a wast

u/ciaomeridian

Can we not call him Thor. Clowns name is Jason lol. Everything he says about himself is a lie.

u/aznanimedude

The first one even

u/TheOnly_Anti

Answer: The increased attention to him has drawn scrutiny over his past. This scrutiny and the anger from his opposition to SKG has made him the target of an online rage campaign.

u/Etheo

Eh, I don't know. I'm not a fan of the guy but I wouldn't be too judgy on that. Who knows what their family relationship is like? For all we know maybe the Dad did deserve it. Or didn't, w

u/SonderEber

The latest drama is apparently him paying one of his discord mods to buy bits on Twitch for his (Pirate) stream. Basically it has been claimed he manufactured a Twitch Hype Train.

u/project2501c

The milk?

u/boat_

I know it's silly to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point, but I wouldn't blame him if he just came out and said that he makes more money from streaming and doesn't have the drive

u/KuroShiroTaka

Yeah, if that one stream with the therapist (Healthy Gamers IIRC) was any indication, it sounds like the reasons he refused to apologize or own up is cus he sees that as showing weakness or s

u/aeschenkarnos

He raised that guy, so there’s some evidence.

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

despite admitting it by himself in a stream, lmfao.

u/messick

Wonder if his dad is embarrassed his son is spreading his secret shame all over town, lol. j/k, some of my best co-workers are former Blizzard engineers.

u/sharfpang

> "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, In some cases. In others, not. The two species of writers, Plotters vs Pantsers. Plotter

u/Gazboolean

Yeah it’s fascinating to see a very fragile ego (in the most literal sense and not judgementally) in real time. There’s definitely some part of him that truly believes if he gives an inch eve

u/PorkChop007

Indeed, for many years they were the gold standard. I mean, back in 2009 the WotLK cinematic had a tremendous impact, it had a technical and narrative quality far beyond anything almost anyon

u/Pico144

Mostly agreed, to clarify - heartbound is already 8 years in development, still in early access and has about 3 hours of content. Oh, and he lied last year on multiple occasions that the game

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Ah, didn't know that part yet. I expect the algorithm will present it shortly.

u/Whats-his-nuts

As someone trying to pick up game creation in my free time, what did you like and not like about this message? Follow up, any people/resources you could point me to to get better, especially

u/Hartastic

100%. One of my least proud professional moments is coming to work one Monday, looking at some code and trying to figure out what the hell the developer was doing with it and why and, check

u/boat_

I know it's silly to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point, but I wouldn't blame him if he just came out and said that he makes more money from streaming and doesn't have the drive

u/lilahking

yeah, bro has multiple children. one kid turning out to be an asshole isn't on the parents. i should know, my parents are great and i suck

u/vlladonxxx

I can really relate to that. For instance, I'm a second generation father. Don't have my own kids as of yet, but my father does.

u/Prasiatko

Isn't that known as a nepo hire?

u/Jay_JWLH

I've seen videos constructively criticizing his coding. For the very few times that any VOD's he has of him actually coding, the coding was done poorly using bad practices. Then you add all

u/Eamonsieur

In Stephen King’s autobiography *On Writing*, he talks about how lots of fans come up to him and say they always wanted to be a writer, but when he asks them what they’ve written, none of the

u/Jay_JWLH

I've seen videos constructively criticizing his coding. For the very few times that any VOD's he has of him actually coding, the coding was done poorly using bad practices. Then you add all

u/samsoncorpus

"Just start" doesn't mean don't finish. He is working on the game for 8 years now I think. He promised a 2019 release and kept moving the goalpost. He streams 10+ hours almost everyday and

u/Taira_Mai

Answer: His actions during a WOW raid and his vitriol directed at Stop Killing Games caused a lot of other Youtubers to dig into his past. He's been caught using his phone to solve puzzles o

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Answer: he has been skyrocketing in popularity since 2023 or so. Acting like he’s this very wise, all knowing, very experienced developer, not in a pleasant way. Then he opposed SKG in such

u/Jay_JWLH

Kind of reminds me of Brian from Family Guy. Stewie is always giving him crap, because Brian constantly sells himself as an avid book reader with high intelligence that is writing his own nov

u/kafaldsbylur

Indeed, but also on a longer timescale, what is one guy working alone effectively becomes a team project between guy-two-years-ago, guy-one-year-ago, guy-today, guy-one-year-from-now, etc. I

u/Pico144

Honestly as much as the codebase is dogshit, I don't agree with claims made by Coding Jesus that this won't ever be finished because of the codebase. It's a simple game, so while the codebase

u/IHazMagics

Personally I think it goes deeper then that. When people say they are of a generation to a place, they say that because it connects them to a people. Him saying that connects him to a kind

u/pe1uca

AFAIK his name is Jason Thor Hall, so if people refer to him in any of these names I'd say it should be fine. But no, he bans people calling him Jason.

u/SpadeSage

Answer: PirateSoftware never knows when to back down is the short answer. The longer answer: PirateSoftware constantly makes small comments that when analyzed in a stream environment a

u/theB1ackSwan

I mean, I can say that's fair. He doesn't go by that name as far as I'm aware, and misnaming anyone is just antisocial behavior (when you do it on purpose)

u/Shadow-melder

Thanks for sharing about his dad, what little I've seen second-hand of this drama I never knew what he actually did. I immediately recognized the name from the character "Joey Ray" featured

u/vlladonxxx

I can really relate to that. For instance, I'm a second generation father. Don't have my own kids as of yet, but my father does.

u/Pico144

Honestly as much as the codebase is dogshit, I don't agree with claims made by Coding Jesus that this won't ever be finished because of the codebase. It's a simple game, so while the codebase

u/IHazMagics

The message is somewhat undercut and devalued when the person delivering tbat message does a lot of very public things that are against the spirit of his messages. Because im sure there aren

u/Gazboolean

Answer: PirateSoftware has positioned himself as a professional in the game development space. The SKG stuff caused people to scrutinise his background and found it lacking from both a develo

u/DarkflowNZ

The same way a writer should "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, but the point is you have to do it. There comes a point where no am

u/SonderEber

No no no, he’s a second gen employee! /s He actually has said he’s a nepo baby.

u/t_sarkkinen

To add some detail: apparently the game is very much like Undertale, which is why some people are calling it an Undertale clone. The code is apparently very rudimentary too. It has also taken

u/platinum1004

[Yes, as Joeyray says so himself in his AMA.](https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/3xjjbr/ama_joeyray_hall/cy58gf1/)

u/NopileosX2

He is one of those people where you can see the Dunning-Kruger effect in action for basically everything he does. He somehow got himself to believe he is very smart about all the things he ta

u/SonderEber

No no no, he’s a second gen employee! /s He actually has said he’s a nepo baby.

u/Pico144

Mostly agreed, to clarify - heartbound is already 8 years in development, still in early access and has about 3 hours of content. Oh, and he lied last year on multiple occasions that the game

u/Gazboolean

At least that is a respectable position to take. He just won’t let go of it and continues to say he’s developing the game and that it’ll be released.

u/KuroShiroTaka

Yeah, if that one stream with the therapist (Healthy Gamers IIRC) was any indication, it sounds like the reasons he refused to apologize or own up is cus he sees that as showing weakness or s

u/Pico144

Mostly agreed, to clarify - heartbound is already 8 years in development, still in early access and has about 3 hours of content. Oh, and he lied last year on multiple occasions that the game

u/aeschenkarnos

He raised that guy, so there’s some evidence.

u/platinum1004

There's no evidence Joeyray Hall was a terrible (or good) parent, so not going to speculate, as people turning out horrible isn't always evidence of bad parenting either. There is, however,

u/Goaliedude3919

He apparently forgot he said that, because now he claims not to be a nepo hire lol https://youtu.be/WzPAePAFl58?si=4_MY7_CZLZV3ZQGo

u/Tamerlechatlevrai

The problem with not spending any time on heartbound is that people paid to finance the development on Kickstarter, so abandoning the project is a bad look if not possibly illegal. I don't th

u/platinum1004

There's no evidence Joeyray Hall was a terrible (or good) parent, so not going to speculate, as people turning out horrible isn't always evidence of bad parenting either. There is, however,

u/Gazboolean

At least that is a respectable position to take. He just won’t let go of it and continues to say he’s developing the game and that it’ll be released.

u/PewPewDesertRat

The instant he gave his take on VPNs, I knew he was a fraud. He’s just a contrarian that says whatever sounds good to him.

u/Eilavamp

He had a decent reputation before the wow incident, mostly because the most people really knew about him were his YouTube shorts. He went from obscurity to millions of twitch views in 2 month

u/platinum1004

You want to know what's worse? He treats his dad like absolute shit as well - [he forgot his dad's birthday, and when his dad calls him out on it, he doesn't even apologise (or even say happ

u/Supermunch2000

There was a video where [Joeyray Hall was talking about a thing that happened at Blizzard](https://youtu.be/gcmcmkPmW6c?t=3055) and he was going to call him Jason but corrected himself and ca

u/KeepSwinging

He really likes to cherry pick reality to his liking. Did the same thing by doing a collab with the roach covered trash man right after his twitch ban for racist comments by crying “we’re jus

u/Mr_ToDo

Oh goodness, that sounds just awful But now that we're here, what *is* the proper way to handle conversations where there's so many slight variations? I can imagine that if it's just pieces

u/lilahking

yeah, bro has multiple children. one kid turning out to be an asshole isn't on the parents. i should know, my parents are great and i suck

u/KuroShiroTaka

Yeah, if that one stream with the therapist (Healthy Gamers IIRC) was any indication, it sounds like the reasons he refused to apologize or own up is cus he sees that as showing weakness or s

u/platinum1004

You want to know what's worse? He treats his dad like absolute shit as well - [he forgot his dad's birthday, and when his dad calls him out on it, he doesn't even apologise (or even say happ

u/OneTripleZero

The thing of it though, is that his advice to "just make games" *is* great advice, because you will always be better served (in an indie environment) actually doing work instead of endlessly

u/ConspicuouslyBland

No problem, If I can answer properly, I will. If you do programming, or would like to do it, some of those videos pointing out the things he does wrong, are very educational.

u/DiasFlac42

It’s all been explained already, but it’s worth noting that Thor had previously derided other players that were playing Mages in similar situations and said that they could/should have done m

u/Pico144

We all have our online nicknames, even if he chooses one that he doesn't live up to, like Thor, I'm gonna respect that even though I despise the guy However I absolutely love the movement to

u/TheSupr1

Oh, that was good!

u/Gazboolean

Something worth knowing is they were playing Hardcore WoW Classic. The classic version of the game takes a lot of time to progress and the hardcore version of the game means if you die you do

u/boat_

I know it's silly to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point, but I wouldn't blame him if he just came out and said that he makes more money from streaming and doesn't have the drive

u/boat_

I know it's silly to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point, but I wouldn't blame him if he just came out and said that he makes more money from streaming and doesn't have the drive

u/kafaldsbylur

The proper way is indeed to separate the conversations from the code. You can make a generic conversation/event handler that handles picking the appropriate conversation based on the current

u/KuroShiroTaka

Yeah, if that one stream with the therapist (Healthy Gamers IIRC) was any indication, it sounds like the reasons he refused to apologize or own up is cus he sees that as showing weakness or s

u/ConspicuouslyBland

No problem, If I can answer properly, I will. If you do programming, or would like to do it, some of those videos pointing out the things he does wrong, are very educational.

u/LegoClaes

So brave for him to literally never talk about that too

u/Mr_ToDo

Oh goodness, that sounds just awful But now that we're here, what *is* the proper way to handle conversations where there's so many slight variations? I can imagine that if it's just pieces

u/boat_

I know it's silly to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point, but I wouldn't blame him if he just came out and said that he makes more money from streaming and doesn't have the drive

u/Goaliedude3919

He apparently forgot he said that, because now he claims not to be a nepo hire lol https://youtu.be/WzPAePAFl58?si=4_MY7_CZLZV3ZQGo

u/LegoClaes

So brave for him to literally never talk about that too

u/scalyblue

Heartbound does have a staggering amount of content from a certain point of view, but it’s not content that player is going to ever see. It has a branching system of dialog that offers choic

u/LegoClaes

So brave for him to literally never talk about that too

u/eatmygerms

Ya but did you know his dad worked for Blizzard /j

u/Atrium41

He also never calls his dad Said he almost went a year without talking to him

u/HibbletonFan

That’s not the brag he thinks it is. To me it sounds like, I couldn’t have gotten my job at Blizzard without my dad’s help.

u/Tamerlechatlevrai

The problem with not spending any time on heartbound is that people paid to finance the development on Kickstarter, so abandoning the project is a bad look if not possibly illegal. I don't th

u/iTwango

His "just make games" and his advice on being/becoming a programmer/dev always rubbed me the wrong way, tbh. As someone who has legit education in computer sciences, it seemed either disingen

u/Taira_Mai

He "roached" on a raid - on stream, his party was on a very difficult map where if you die you lose your character. His actions during the raid were bad enough (despite his claims of being a

u/project2501c

that explains who stole the breast milk.

u/kafaldsbylur

The proper way is indeed to separate the conversations from the code. You can make a generic conversation/event handler that handles picking the appropriate conversation based on the current

u/Gazboolean

Something worth knowing is they were playing Hardcore WoW Classic. The classic version of the game takes a lot of time to progress and the hardcore version of the game means if you die you do

u/CardiologistMain7237

The guy is a narcissist. Plain and simple. He denies objective reality if it damages his ego or image. Which is sad, because when he started, people saw him as a kind of "Bob Ross of indie g

u/Hartastic

Totally agree with all of this and I want to be extra clear that I'm not excusing this bad implementation with what I say next. In a sense he can get away with these decisions up to a point

u/Eilavamp

He had a decent reputation before the wow incident, mostly because the most people really knew about him were his YouTube shorts. He went from obscurity to millions of twitch views in 2 month

u/RoutineCloud5993

His dad also helped South Park create Make Love Not Warcraft, then Trey and Matt thought it would be funny to make the bad guy of the episode look a little like him.

u/bionicjoey

Proud nepo baby lol

u/Gazboolean

At least that is a respectable position to take. He just won’t let go of it and continues to say he’s developing the game and that it’ll be released.

u/LegoClaes

So brave for him to literally never talk about that too

u/KeepSwinging

He really likes to cherry pick reality to his liking. Did the same thing by doing a collab with the roach covered trash man right after his twitch ban for racist comments by crying “we’re jus

u/IHazMagics

Oh that's not even the most cringe. When referring to his dad and Blizzard he now refers to himself as "the first second gen Blizzard employee" which is just so cloying and needy.

u/SonderEber

The latest drama is apparently him paying one of his discord mods to buy bits on Twitch for his (Pirate) stream. Basically it has been claimed he manufactured a Twitch Hype Train.

u/project2501c

that explains who stole the breast milk.

u/KeepSwinging

He really likes to cherry pick reality to his liking. Did the same thing by doing a collab with the roach covered trash man right after his twitch ban for racist comments by crying “we’re jus

u/ArcaneCitrus

You should watch his interview/session with HealthyGamer. Something about that whole thing was off.

u/project2501c

that explains who stole the breast milk.

u/theBoyWonder_

His ego is probably what is holding him back from doing that. He probably wants to still be able to tout himself as a game dev but people will hold his failure to finish Heartbound over his h

u/platinum1004

[Yes, as Joeyray says so himself in his AMA.](https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/3xjjbr/ama_joeyray_hall/cy58gf1/)

u/Hartastic

100%. One of my least proud professional moments is coming to work one Monday, looking at some code and trying to figure out what the hell the developer was doing with it and why and, check

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Answer: he has been skyrocketing in popularity since 2023 or so. Acting like he’s this very wise, all knowing, very experienced developer, not in a pleasant way. Then he opposed SKG in such

u/sgtfoleyistheman

I watched this guy on YouTube a few years ago. Some things he said sounded eloquent but they were all pretty shallow. Then He mentioned a few times how he worked QA at Amazon Games. I've be

u/Pyritedust

I have the same problem, I bought it in 2019 and I liked what was there, and was rather hopeful it would go on to be finished. It's one of the games that soured me on most early access titles

u/KuroShiroTaka

Yeah, if that one stream with the therapist (Healthy Gamers IIRC) was any indication, it sounds like the reasons he refused to apologize or own up is cus he sees that as showing weakness or s

u/bionicjoey

Proud nepo baby lol

u/kafaldsbylur

The proper way is indeed to separate the conversations from the code. You can make a generic conversation/event handler that handles picking the appropriate conversation based on the current

u/Pyritedust

I have the same problem, I bought it in 2019 and I liked what was there, and was rather hopeful it would go on to be finished. It's one of the games that soured me on most early access titles

u/HibbletonFan

That’s not the brag he thinks it is. To me it sounds like, I couldn’t have gotten my job at Blizzard without my dad’s help.

u/TeaAndS0da

His dad was also the template for the villain in Make Love Not Warcraft.

u/IHazMagics

Oh that's not even the most cringe. When referring to his dad and Blizzard he now refers to himself as "the first second gen Blizzard employee" which is just so cloying and needy.

u/aeschenkarnos

He raised that guy, so there’s some evidence.

u/NeviBevi

Oh, but he loses his mind if you point out he is a nepotism baby

u/talc25

The cutscenes were fire! Warcraft 3 was phenomenal

u/SonderEber

The latest drama is apparently him paying one of his discord mods to buy bits on Twitch for his (Pirate) stream. Basically it has been claimed he manufactured a Twitch Hype Train.

u/LegoClaes

So brave for him to literally never talk about that too

u/vlladonxxx

I can really relate to that. For instance, I'm a second generation father. Don't have my own kids as of yet, but my father does.

u/Goaliedude3919

He apparently forgot he said that, because now he claims not to be a nepo hire lol https://youtu.be/WzPAePAFl58?si=4_MY7_CZLZV3ZQGo

u/PewPewDesertRat

The instant he gave his take on VPNs, I knew he was a fraud. He’s just a contrarian that says whatever sounds good to him.

u/pe1uca

AFAIK his name is Jason Thor Hall, so if people refer to him in any of these names I'd say it should be fine. But no, he bans people calling him Jason.

u/Hartastic

Totally agree with all of this and I want to be extra clear that I'm not excusing this bad implementation with what I say next. In a sense he can get away with these decisions up to a point

u/TheSupr1

Oh, that was good!

u/PewPewDesertRat

The instant he gave his take on VPNs, I knew he was a fraud. He’s just a contrarian that says whatever sounds good to him.

u/Soul-Burn

He made a nice six figures from a single stream hype train... Which is now being scrutinized for fraud. Considering his coding style, I'd ve discouraged to continue as well.

u/messick

Wonder if his dad is embarrassed his son is spreading his secret shame all over town, lol. j/k, some of my best co-workers are former Blizzard engineers.

u/XenusParadox

Not OP, but a gamedev commenting for advice. What discipline(s) would you like to explore more deeply? e.g. game design, programming, or artistic expression with these tools? If you're no

u/kafaldsbylur

Indeed, but also on a longer timescale, what is one guy working alone effectively becomes a team project between guy-two-years-ago, guy-one-year-ago, guy-today, guy-one-year-from-now, etc. I

u/drfunkenstien014

For me, he stood out because I grew up with people like this. They’d always have to one-up you on everything, would make all sorts of excuses as to why it was never their fault, make constant

u/platinum1004

You want to know what's worse? He treats his dad like absolute shit as well - [he forgot his dad's birthday, and when his dad calls him out on it, he doesn't even apologise (or even say happ

u/project2501c

that explains who stole the breast milk.

u/lilahking

yeah, bro has multiple children. one kid turning out to be an asshole isn't on the parents. i should know, my parents are great and i suck

u/Far_Breakfast_5808

As a follow-up: as someone who had never heard of PirateSoftware before the SKG drama, and knowing very little about WoW, what happened during that WoW raid, why was that raid a big deal, and

u/messick

Wonder if his dad is embarrassed his son is spreading his secret shame all over town, lol. j/k, some of my best co-workers are former Blizzard engineers.

u/bionicjoey

Proud nepo baby lol

u/platinum1004

There's no evidence Joeyray Hall was a terrible (or good) parent, so not going to speculate, as people turning out horrible isn't always evidence of bad parenting either. There is, however,

u/Gazboolean

I played the game and was genuinely baffled about how incomplete it was. The worst part is I enjoyed what was there, as far as the story being told, but it being so incomplete was such a wast

u/Pico144

We all have our online nicknames, even if he chooses one that he doesn't live up to, like Thor, I'm gonna respect that even though I despise the guy However I absolutely love the movement to

u/OneTripleZero

The thing of it though, is that his advice to "just make games" *is* great advice, because you will always be better served (in an indie environment) actually doing work instead of endlessly

u/Whats-his-nuts

As someone trying to pick up game creation in my free time, what did you like and not like about this message? Follow up, any people/resources you could point me to to get better, especially

u/DiasFlac42

It’s all been explained already, but it’s worth noting that Thor had previously derided other players that were playing Mages in similar situations and said that they could/should have done m

u/PointBlue

No way Lmao. Imagine sucking on blizzards tits that you invoke multiple generations.

u/lilahking

yeah, bro has multiple children. one kid turning out to be an asshole isn't on the parents. i should know, my parents are great and i suck

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Ah, didn't know that part yet. I expect the algorithm will present it shortly.

u/sharfpang

> "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, In some cases. In others, not. The two species of writers, Plotters vs Pantsers. Plotter

u/project2501c

The milk?

u/project2501c

The milk?

u/SnabDedraterEdave

Thank you for actually answering the question for complete OOL-folks like me who don't even know who this clown is and what his relation is to this recent SKG movement.

u/NopileosX2

He is one of those people where you can see the Dunning-Kruger effect in action for basically everything he does. He somehow got himself to believe he is very smart about all the things he ta

u/DarkflowNZ

The same way a writer should "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, but the point is you have to do it. There comes a point where no am

u/ConspicuouslyBland

No problem, If I can answer properly, I will. If you do programming, or would like to do it, some of those videos pointing out the things he does wrong, are very educational.

u/Hartastic

Totally agree with all of this and I want to be extra clear that I'm not excusing this bad implementation with what I say next. In a sense he can get away with these decisions up to a point

u/IHazMagics

The message is somewhat undercut and devalued when the person delivering tbat message does a lot of very public things that are against the spirit of his messages. Because im sure there aren

u/TeaAndS0da

His dad was also the template for the villain in Make Love Not Warcraft.

u/platinum1004

You want to know what's worse? He treats his dad like absolute shit as well - [he forgot his dad's birthday, and when his dad calls him out on it, he doesn't even apologise (or even say happ

u/CardiologistMain7237

The guy is a narcissist. Plain and simple. He denies objective reality if it damages his ego or image. Which is sad, because when he started, people saw him as a kind of "Bob Ross of indie g

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

even if his dad seserved it, Jason himself proved time and time again that he is a compulsive liar, an imposter and adorns himself with borrowed plumes

u/Araragi298

Bro his code is objectively garbage. He barely updates his game. He brags about his job he got at Blizzard but he only got it because of his father. The same father who is currently mad at hi

u/nikelaos117

His dad called him out on stream that he didn't even say happy birthday to him. And the last text he sent him was saying happy birthday to him last year. So not only did he not reach out to h

u/Pico144

Mostly agreed, to clarify - heartbound is already 8 years in development, still in early access and has about 3 hours of content. Oh, and he lied last year on multiple occasions that the game

u/Gazboolean

I played the game and was genuinely baffled about how incomplete it was. The worst part is I enjoyed what was there, as far as the story being told, but it being so incomplete was such a wast

u/poopoodomo

> the benefit of the doubt for being actually uninformed. Love this line. The plausibly charitable way to call someone stupid

u/Soul-Burn

He made a nice six figures from a single stream hype train... Which is now being scrutinized for fraud. Considering his coding style, I'd ve discouraged to continue as well.

u/eatmygerms

Ya but did you know his dad worked for Blizzard /j

u/-non-existance-

One thing I took from him that was good was[the 20 Game Challenge.](https://20_games_challenge.gitlab.io/) Basically, if you know nothing about game design, programming, or either, these 20

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

he also worked as a QA at blizzard, which isn't a considerably prestigious position either.

u/project2501c

that explains who stole the breast milk.

u/pe1uca

AFAIK his name is Jason Thor Hall, so if people refer to him in any of these names I'd say it should be fine. But no, he bans people calling him Jason.

u/DarkflowNZ

Reminds me of the possibly apocryphal story of the con board that featured a bunch of writers including George R. R. Martin and Stephen King. GRRM says something to the effect of "I don't kno

u/platinum1004

You want to know what's worse? He treats his dad like absolute shit as well - [he forgot his dad's birthday, and when his dad calls him out on it, he doesn't even apologise (or even say happ

u/NeviBevi

Oh, but he loses his mind if you point out he is a nepotism baby

u/CyberClawX

Coding needs structure though (specially nowadays, with many DLCs and patches). Well, it doesn't, but writing code by the skin of your pants will create enormous technical debt. You'll create

u/Hartastic

Totally agree with all of this and I want to be extra clear that I'm not excusing this bad implementation with what I say next. In a sense he can get away with these decisions up to a point

u/Whats-his-nuts

As someone trying to pick up game creation in my free time, what did you like and not like about this message? Follow up, any people/resources you could point me to to get better, especially

u/Shadow-melder

Thanks for sharing about his dad, what little I've seen second-hand of this drama I never knew what he actually did. I immediately recognized the name from the character "Joey Ray" featured

u/Pyritedust

I have the same problem, I bought it in 2019 and I liked what was there, and was rather hopeful it would go on to be finished. It's one of the games that soured me on most early access titles

u/engelthefallen

To add to what the others said, before his raid went south, we trashed others players for having a raid also result in deaths listing all the ways he would have been able to save that raid if

u/Whats-his-nuts

As someone trying to pick up game creation in my free time, what did you like and not like about this message? Follow up, any people/resources you could point me to to get better, especially

u/IHazMagics

The message is somewhat undercut and devalued when the person delivering tbat message does a lot of very public things that are against the spirit of his messages. Because im sure there aren

u/XenusParadox

Not OP, but a gamedev commenting for advice. What discipline(s) would you like to explore more deeply? e.g. game design, programming, or artistic expression with these tools? If you're no

u/kafaldsbylur

Indeed, but also on a longer timescale, what is one guy working alone effectively becomes a team project between guy-two-years-ago, guy-one-year-ago, guy-today, guy-one-year-from-now, etc. I

u/Far_Breakfast_5808

As a follow-up: as someone who had never heard of PirateSoftware before the SKG drama, and knowing very little about WoW, what happened during that WoW raid, why was that raid a big deal, and

u/DarkflowNZ

Reminds me of the possibly apocryphal story of the con board that featured a bunch of writers including George R. R. Martin and Stephen King. GRRM says something to the effect of "I don't kno

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

despite admitting it by himself in a stream, lmfao.

u/PewPewDesertRat

The instant he gave his take on VPNs, I knew he was a fraud. He’s just a contrarian that says whatever sounds good to him.

u/platinum1004

You want to know what's worse? He treats his dad like absolute shit as well - [he forgot his dad's birthday, and when his dad calls him out on it, he doesn't even apologise (or even say happ

u/LegoClaes

So brave for him to literally never talk about that too

u/Pico144

Mostly agreed, to clarify - heartbound is already 8 years in development, still in early access and has about 3 hours of content. Oh, and he lied last year on multiple occasions that the game

u/TheSupr1

Oh, that was good!

u/CardiologistMain7237

The guy is a narcissist. Plain and simple. He denies objective reality if it damages his ego or image. Which is sad, because when he started, people saw him as a kind of "Bob Ross of indie g

u/DarkflowNZ

The same way a writer should "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, but the point is you have to do it. There comes a point where no am

u/ThatGenericName2

It's funny to me that he absolutely acknowledges that the first time he was hired he only got the job because he was a nepo baby, but then tries to claim that the second time he was hired was

u/AloneAddiction

His *dad* deserves every bit of praise coming to him because his cinematic abilities are excellent. I'd even go so far as to say Blizzard cinematics were the best in the game industry.

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

even if his dad seserved it, Jason himself proved time and time again that he is a compulsive liar, an imposter and adorns himself with borrowed plumes

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Ah, didn't know that part yet. I expect the algorithm will present it shortly.

u/Tamerlechatlevrai

The problem with not spending any time on heartbound is that people paid to finance the development on Kickstarter, so abandoning the project is a bad look if not possibly illegal. I don't th

u/sterling_mallory

Two I think. He published a self-help book that he wrote in one sitting overnight that became a best seller. "Wish it, Want it, Do it." Then he published his novel "Faster Than the Speed of L

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Ah, didn't know that part yet. I expect the algorithm will present it shortly.

u/ConspicuouslyBland

No problem, If I can answer properly, I will. If you do programming, or would like to do it, some of those videos pointing out the things he does wrong, are very educational.

u/SonderEber

No no no, he’s a second gen employee! /s He actually has said he’s a nepo baby.

u/ZombieJasus

That wouldn't make it any better, as he raised money for the game from Kickstarter almost a decade ago, and has sold many copies in steam early access. He owes a complete game to all the peop

u/Diet-Still

Oh a YouTuber influencer in tech/hacking/development that have 0 skill but talk a lot? *shocked face*

u/NopileosX2

He is one of those people where you can see the Dunning-Kruger effect in action for basically everything he does. He somehow got himself to believe he is very smart about all the things he ta

u/Prasiatko

Isn't that known as a nepo hire?

u/Certesis

Answer: He's made a lot of contradictory statements, like saying that [he never talks about blizzard,](https://youtu.be/Y03L5KlXDLg) and saying that [he isn't a "nepo baby" and then describin

u/lilahking

yeah, bro has multiple children. one kid turning out to be an asshole isn't on the parents. i should know, my parents are great and i suck

u/ZombieJasus

That wouldn't make it any better, as he raised money for the game from Kickstarter almost a decade ago, and has sold many copies in steam early access. He owes a complete game to all the peop

u/Pyritedust

I have the same problem, I bought it in 2019 and I liked what was there, and was rather hopeful it would go on to be finished. It's one of the games that soured me on most early access titles

u/nikelaos117

His dad called him out on stream that he didn't even say happy birthday to him. And the last text he sent him was saying happy birthday to him last year. So not only did he not reach out to h

u/Gazboolean

Something worth knowing is they were playing Hardcore WoW Classic. The classic version of the game takes a lot of time to progress and the hardcore version of the game means if you die you do

u/Pico144

Mostly agreed, to clarify - heartbound is already 8 years in development, still in early access and has about 3 hours of content. Oh, and he lied last year on multiple occasions that the game

u/GateheaD

Star Citizen didn't

u/Whats-his-nuts

As someone trying to pick up game creation in my free time, what did you like and not like about this message? Follow up, any people/resources you could point me to to get better, especially

u/Hartastic

Totally agree with all of this and I want to be extra clear that I'm not excusing this bad implementation with what I say next. In a sense he can get away with these decisions up to a point

u/boat_

I know it's silly to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point, but I wouldn't blame him if he just came out and said that he makes more money from streaming and doesn't have the drive

u/lilahking

yeah, bro has multiple children. one kid turning out to be an asshole isn't on the parents. i should know, my parents are great and i suck

u/PointBlue

No way Lmao. Imagine sucking on blizzards tits that you invoke multiple generations.

u/Diet-Still

Oh a YouTuber influencer in tech/hacking/development that have 0 skill but talk a lot? *shocked face*

u/kafaldsbylur

Indeed, but also on a longer timescale, what is one guy working alone effectively becomes a team project between guy-two-years-ago, guy-one-year-ago, guy-today, guy-one-year-from-now, etc. I

u/XenusParadox

Not OP, but a gamedev commenting for advice. What discipline(s) would you like to explore more deeply? e.g. game design, programming, or artistic expression with these tools? If you're no

u/Pico144

Honestly as much as the codebase is dogshit, I don't agree with claims made by Coding Jesus that this won't ever be finished because of the codebase. It's a simple game, so while the codebase

u/NeviBevi

Oh, but he loses his mind if you point out he is a nepotism baby

u/ConspicuouslyBland

No problem, If I can answer properly, I will. If you do programming, or would like to do it, some of those videos pointing out the things he does wrong, are very educational.

u/XenusParadox

Not OP, but a gamedev commenting for advice. What discipline(s) would you like to explore more deeply? e.g. game design, programming, or artistic expression with these tools? If you're no

u/bionicjoey

Proud nepo baby lol

u/Taira_Mai

Answer: His actions during a WOW raid and his vitriol directed at Stop Killing Games caused a lot of other Youtubers to dig into his past. He's been caught using his phone to solve puzzles o

u/auspiciousTactician

Going solely off the clip, your conclusion is sound, he wouldn't be a nepo baby if he simply received help on his resume. The problem is no singular event lives in isolation. Even if his dad

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Ah, didn't know that part yet. I expect the algorithm will present it shortly.

u/Tamerlechatlevrai

The problem with not spending any time on heartbound is that people paid to finance the development on Kickstarter, so abandoning the project is a bad look if not possibly illegal. I don't th

u/iTwango

His "just make games" and his advice on being/becoming a programmer/dev always rubbed me the wrong way, tbh. As someone who has legit education in computer sciences, it seemed either disingen

u/AloneAddiction

His *dad* deserves every bit of praise coming to him because his cinematic abilities are excellent. I'd even go so far as to say Blizzard cinematics were the best in the game industry.

u/LSF604

I am specifically talking about the recent attacks on his programming. Which from what I have seen is indeed shitty. But, its also what I expect from non programmers. Its not an endorsement o

u/drfunkenstien014

For me, he stood out because I grew up with people like this. They’d always have to one-up you on everything, would make all sorts of excuses as to why it was never their fault, make constant

u/DarkflowNZ

The same way a writer should "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, but the point is you have to do it. There comes a point where no am

u/ThatGenericName2

It's funny to me that he absolutely acknowledges that the first time he was hired he only got the job because he was a nepo baby, but then tries to claim that the second time he was hired was

u/Goaliedude3919

He apparently forgot he said that, because now he claims not to be a nepo hire lol https://youtu.be/WzPAePAFl58?si=4_MY7_CZLZV3ZQGo

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

even if his dad seserved it, Jason himself proved time and time again that he is a compulsive liar, an imposter and adorns himself with borrowed plumes

u/Pico144

Honestly as much as the codebase is dogshit, I don't agree with claims made by Coding Jesus that this won't ever be finished because of the codebase. It's a simple game, so while the codebase

u/DarkflowNZ

The same way a writer should "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, but the point is you have to do it. There comes a point where no am

u/IHazMagics

The message is somewhat undercut and devalued when the person delivering tbat message does a lot of very public things that are against the spirit of his messages. Because im sure there aren

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

despite admitting it by himself in a stream, lmfao.

u/LegoClaes

So brave for him to literally never talk about that too

u/ZombieJasus

That wouldn't make it any better, as he raised money for the game from Kickstarter almost a decade ago, and has sold many copies in steam early access. He owes a complete game to all the peop

u/iTwango

His "just make games" and his advice on being/becoming a programmer/dev always rubbed me the wrong way, tbh. As someone who has legit education in computer sciences, it seemed either disingen

u/Eamonsieur

In Stephen King’s autobiography *On Writing*, he talks about how lots of fans come up to him and say they always wanted to be a writer, but when he asks them what they’ve written, none of the

u/AnticipateMe

If you take a look at *all* of his game dev category streams on twitch from the past. Every single one he does nothing. Maybe he scrolls up and down and changes some values, but I've never fo

u/platinum1004

[Yes, as Joeyray says so himself in his AMA.](https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/3xjjbr/ama_joeyray_hall/cy58gf1/)

u/CyberClawX

Coding needs structure though (specially nowadays, with many DLCs and patches). Well, it doesn't, but writing code by the skin of your pants will create enormous technical debt. You'll create

u/Eamonsieur

In Stephen King’s autobiography *On Writing*, he talks about how lots of fans come up to him and say they always wanted to be a writer, but when he asks them what they’ve written, none of the

u/Pico144

We all have our online nicknames, even if he chooses one that he doesn't live up to, like Thor, I'm gonna respect that even though I despise the guy However I absolutely love the movement to

u/eatmygerms

Ya but did you know his dad worked for Blizzard /j

u/SonderEber

Did you know he’s a second generation Blizzard employee? Did you know he worked for Blizzard?!?!?! Guys!!! He worked for Blizzard!!!

u/platinum1004

There's no evidence Joeyray Hall was a terrible (or good) parent, so not going to speculate, as people turning out horrible isn't always evidence of bad parenting either. There is, however,

u/messick

Wonder if his dad is embarrassed his son is spreading his secret shame all over town, lol. j/k, some of my best co-workers are former Blizzard engineers.

u/OneTripleZero

The thing of it though, is that his advice to "just make games" *is* great advice, because you will always be better served (in an indie environment) actually doing work instead of endlessly

u/eatmygerms

Ya but did you know his dad worked for Blizzard /j

u/Gazboolean

I played the game and was genuinely baffled about how incomplete it was. The worst part is I enjoyed what was there, as far as the story being told, but it being so incomplete was such a wast

u/XenusParadox

Not OP, but a gamedev commenting for advice. What discipline(s) would you like to explore more deeply? e.g. game design, programming, or artistic expression with these tools? If you're no

u/Hartastic

Totally agree with all of this and I want to be extra clear that I'm not excusing this bad implementation with what I say next. In a sense he can get away with these decisions up to a point

u/AnticipateMe

If you take a look at *all* of his game dev category streams on twitch from the past. Every single one he does nothing. Maybe he scrolls up and down and changes some values, but I've never fo

u/Zeikos

> he has an effect built into his mixer that lowers his voice by an octave I understand not liking him/his style, but that's clearly not the case. You can hear his voice recorded outside

u/t_sarkkinen

To add some detail: apparently the game is very much like Undertale, which is why some people are calling it an Undertale clone. The code is apparently very rudimentary too. It has also taken

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Answer: he has been skyrocketing in popularity since 2023 or so. Acting like he’s this very wise, all knowing, very experienced developer, not in a pleasant way. Then he opposed SKG in such

u/circio

I actually looked into the white hat hacking stuff cause I saw a clip of him explaining how to do it. I looked up the stuff he said, and it was honestly not helpful at all and I gave up that

u/IHazMagics

Personally I think it goes deeper then that. When people say they are of a generation to a place, they say that because it connects them to a people. Him saying that connects him to a kind

u/platinum1004

There's no evidence Joeyray Hall was a terrible (or good) parent, so not going to speculate, as people turning out horrible isn't always evidence of bad parenting either. There is, however,

u/ZombieJasus

That wouldn't make it any better, as he raised money for the game from Kickstarter almost a decade ago, and has sold many copies in steam early access. He owes a complete game to all the peop

u/NeviBevi

Oh, but he loses his mind if you point out he is a nepotism baby

u/SonderEber

No no no, he’s a second gen employee! /s He actually has said he’s a nepo baby.

u/engelthefallen

To add to what the others said, before his raid went south, we trashed others players for having a raid also result in deaths listing all the ways he would have been able to save that raid if

u/TeaAndS0da

His dad was also the template for the villain in Make Love Not Warcraft.

u/AloneAddiction

His *dad* deserves every bit of praise coming to him because his cinematic abilities are excellent. I'd even go so far as to say Blizzard cinematics were the best in the game industry.

u/sterling_mallory

Two I think. He published a self-help book that he wrote in one sitting overnight that became a best seller. "Wish it, Want it, Do it." Then he published his novel "Faster Than the Speed of L

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

he also worked as a QA at blizzard, which isn't a considerably prestigious position either.

u/sterling_mallory

Two I think. He published a self-help book that he wrote in one sitting overnight that became a best seller. "Wish it, Want it, Do it." Then he published his novel "Faster Than the Speed of L

u/TheOnly_Anti

Answer: The increased attention to him has drawn scrutiny over his past. This scrutiny and the anger from his opposition to SKG has made him the target of an online rage campaign.

u/platinum1004

You want to know what's worse? He treats his dad like absolute shit as well - [he forgot his dad's birthday, and when his dad calls him out on it, he doesn't even apologise (or even say happ

u/Etheo

Eh, I don't know. I'm not a fan of the guy but I wouldn't be too judgy on that. Who knows what their family relationship is like? For all we know maybe the Dad did deserve it. Or didn't, w

u/kafaldsbylur

The proper way is indeed to separate the conversations from the code. You can make a generic conversation/event handler that handles picking the appropriate conversation based on the current

u/Mr_ToDo

Oh goodness, that sounds just awful But now that we're here, what *is* the proper way to handle conversations where there's so many slight variations? I can imagine that if it's just pieces

u/PewPewDesertRat

The instant he gave his take on VPNs, I knew he was a fraud. He’s just a contrarian that says whatever sounds good to him.

u/PorkChop007

Indeed, for many years they were the gold standard. I mean, back in 2009 the WotLK cinematic had a tremendous impact, it had a technical and narrative quality far beyond anything almost anyon

u/Certesis

Answer: He's made a lot of contradictory statements, like saying that [he never talks about blizzard,](https://youtu.be/Y03L5KlXDLg) and saying that [he isn't a "nepo baby" and then describin

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

he also worked as a QA at blizzard, which isn't a considerably prestigious position either.

u/Pico144

Honestly as much as the codebase is dogshit, I don't agree with claims made by Coding Jesus that this won't ever be finished because of the codebase. It's a simple game, so while the codebase

u/SonderEber

Did you know he’s a second generation Blizzard employee? Did you know he worked for Blizzard?!?!?! Guys!!! He worked for Blizzard!!!

u/Pico144

Honestly as much as the codebase is dogshit, I don't agree with claims made by Coding Jesus that this won't ever be finished because of the codebase. It's a simple game, so while the codebase

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Ah, didn't know that part yet. I expect the algorithm will present it shortly.

u/Gazboolean

At least that is a respectable position to take. He just won’t let go of it and continues to say he’s developing the game and that it’ll be released.

u/Jay_JWLH

Kind of reminds me of Brian from Family Guy. Stewie is always giving him crap, because Brian constantly sells himself as an avid book reader with high intelligence that is writing his own nov

u/sterling_mallory

Two I think. He published a self-help book that he wrote in one sitting overnight that became a best seller. "Wish it, Want it, Do it." Then he published his novel "Faster Than the Speed of L

u/DarkflowNZ

Reminds me of the possibly apocryphal story of the con board that featured a bunch of writers including George R. R. Martin and Stephen King. GRRM says something to the effect of "I don't kno

u/lilahking

yeah, bro has multiple children. one kid turning out to be an asshole isn't on the parents. i should know, my parents are great and i suck

u/IHazMagics

The message is somewhat undercut and devalued when the person delivering tbat message does a lot of very public things that are against the spirit of his messages. Because im sure there aren

u/LegoClaes

So brave for him to literally never talk about that too

u/Etheo

Eh, I don't know. I'm not a fan of the guy but I wouldn't be too judgy on that. Who knows what their family relationship is like? For all we know maybe the Dad did deserve it. Or didn't, w

u/DiasFlac42

It’s all been explained already, but it’s worth noting that Thor had previously derided other players that were playing Mages in similar situations and said that they could/should have done m

u/Taira_Mai

He "roached" on a raid - on stream, his party was on a very difficult map where if you die you lose your character. His actions during the raid were bad enough (despite his claims of being a

u/AloneAddiction

His *dad* deserves every bit of praise coming to him because his cinematic abilities are excellent. I'd even go so far as to say Blizzard cinematics were the best in the game industry.

u/eatmygerms

Ya but did you know his dad worked for Blizzard /j

u/kafaldsbylur

Indeed, but also on a longer timescale, what is one guy working alone effectively becomes a team project between guy-two-years-ago, guy-one-year-ago, guy-today, guy-one-year-from-now, etc. I

u/Gazboolean

Yeah it’s fascinating to see a very fragile ego (in the most literal sense and not judgementally) in real time. There’s definitely some part of him that truly believes if he gives an inch eve

u/Jay_JWLH

I've seen videos constructively criticizing his coding. For the very few times that any VOD's he has of him actually coding, the coding was done poorly using bad practices. Then you add all

u/IHazMagics

The message is somewhat undercut and devalued when the person delivering tbat message does a lot of very public things that are against the spirit of his messages. Because im sure there aren

u/drfunkenstien014

For me, he stood out because I grew up with people like this. They’d always have to one-up you on everything, would make all sorts of excuses as to why it was never their fault, make constant

u/platinum1004

There's no evidence Joeyray Hall was a terrible (or good) parent, so not going to speculate, as people turning out horrible isn't always evidence of bad parenting either. There is, however,

u/RoutineCloud5993

His dad also helped South Park create Make Love Not Warcraft, then Trey and Matt thought it would be funny to make the bad guy of the episode look a little like him.

u/eatmygerms

Ya but did you know his dad worked for Blizzard /j

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

despite admitting it by himself in a stream, lmfao.

u/theBoyWonder_

His ego is probably what is holding him back from doing that. He probably wants to still be able to tout himself as a game dev but people will hold his failure to finish Heartbound over his h

u/Gazboolean

I played the game and was genuinely baffled about how incomplete it was. The worst part is I enjoyed what was there, as far as the story being told, but it being so incomplete was such a wast

u/Pico144

We all have our online nicknames, even if he chooses one that he doesn't live up to, like Thor, I'm gonna respect that even though I despise the guy However I absolutely love the movement to

u/Soul-Burn

He made a nice six figures from a single stream hype train... Which is now being scrutinized for fraud. Considering his coding style, I'd ve discouraged to continue as well.

u/bionicjoey

Proud nepo baby lol

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

despite admitting it by himself in a stream, lmfao.

u/Pyritedust

I have the same problem, I bought it in 2019 and I liked what was there, and was rather hopeful it would go on to be finished. It's one of the games that soured me on most early access titles

u/Gazboolean

At least that is a respectable position to take. He just won’t let go of it and continues to say he’s developing the game and that it’ll be released.

u/ThatGenericName2

It's funny to me that he absolutely acknowledges that the first time he was hired he only got the job because he was a nepo baby, but then tries to claim that the second time he was hired was

u/CardiologistMain7237

The guy is a narcissist. Plain and simple. He denies objective reality if it damages his ego or image. Which is sad, because when he started, people saw him as a kind of "Bob Ross of indie g

u/scalyblue

Heartbound does have a staggering amount of content from a certain point of view, but it’s not content that player is going to ever see. It has a branching system of dialog that offers choic

u/project2501c

The milk?

u/scalyblue

Heartbound does have a staggering amount of content from a certain point of view, but it’s not content that player is going to ever see. It has a branching system of dialog that offers choic

u/scalyblue

Heartbound does have a staggering amount of content from a certain point of view, but it’s not content that player is going to ever see. It has a branching system of dialog that offers choic

u/SonderEber

Did you know he’s a second generation Blizzard employee? Did you know he worked for Blizzard?!?!?! Guys!!! He worked for Blizzard!!!

u/Supermunch2000

There was a video where [Joeyray Hall was talking about a thing that happened at Blizzard](https://youtu.be/gcmcmkPmW6c?t=3055) and he was going to call him Jason but corrected himself and ca

u/sharfpang

> "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, In some cases. In others, not. The two species of writers, Plotters vs Pantsers. Plotter

u/Gazboolean

Something worth knowing is they were playing Hardcore WoW Classic. The classic version of the game takes a lot of time to progress and the hardcore version of the game means if you die you do

u/SlatheredButtCheeks

That’s the whole point though, he doesn’t present himself as an amateur, he presents himself as an expert. Which of course opens himself up to more scrutiny

u/Tamerlechatlevrai

The problem with not spending any time on heartbound is that people paid to finance the development on Kickstarter, so abandoning the project is a bad look if not possibly illegal. I don't th

u/KuroShiroTaka

Yeah, if that one stream with the therapist (Healthy Gamers IIRC) was any indication, it sounds like the reasons he refused to apologize or own up is cus he sees that as showing weakness or s

u/project2501c

that explains who stole the breast milk.

u/Taira_Mai

Answer: His actions during a WOW raid and his vitriol directed at Stop Killing Games caused a lot of other Youtubers to dig into his past. He's been caught using his phone to solve puzzles o

u/boat_

I know it's silly to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point, but I wouldn't blame him if he just came out and said that he makes more money from streaming and doesn't have the drive

u/vlladonxxx

I can really relate to that. For instance, I'm a second generation father. Don't have my own kids as of yet, but my father does.

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

even if his dad seserved it, Jason himself proved time and time again that he is a compulsive liar, an imposter and adorns himself with borrowed plumes

u/AloneAddiction

His *dad* deserves every bit of praise coming to him because his cinematic abilities are excellent. I'd even go so far as to say Blizzard cinematics were the best in the game industry.

u/Pico144

Mostly agreed, to clarify - heartbound is already 8 years in development, still in early access and has about 3 hours of content. Oh, and he lied last year on multiple occasions that the game

u/Pico144

Honestly as much as the codebase is dogshit, I don't agree with claims made by Coding Jesus that this won't ever be finished because of the codebase. It's a simple game, so while the codebase

u/Etheo

Eh, I don't know. I'm not a fan of the guy but I wouldn't be too judgy on that. Who knows what their family relationship is like? For all we know maybe the Dad did deserve it. Or didn't, w

u/Atrium41

He also never calls his dad Said he almost went a year without talking to him

u/beachedwhale1945

Really ironic coming from a guy who made a short saying you need to spend more time with your grandparents before they die. Something like “If they have two years left and you call them once

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

he also worked as a QA at blizzard, which isn't a considerably prestigious position either.

u/IHazMagics

Oh that's not even the most cringe. When referring to his dad and Blizzard he now refers to himself as "the first second gen Blizzard employee" which is just so cloying and needy.

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Ah, didn't know that part yet. I expect the algorithm will present it shortly.

u/TeaAndS0da

His dad was also the template for the villain in Make Love Not Warcraft.

u/theBoyWonder_

His ego is probably what is holding him back from doing that. He probably wants to still be able to tout himself as a game dev but people will hold his failure to finish Heartbound over his h

u/CardiologistMain7237

The guy is a narcissist. Plain and simple. He denies objective reality if it damages his ego or image. Which is sad, because when he started, people saw him as a kind of "Bob Ross of indie g

u/Mr_ToDo

Oh goodness, that sounds just awful But now that we're here, what *is* the proper way to handle conversations where there's so many slight variations? I can imagine that if it's just pieces

u/aeschenkarnos

He raised that guy, so there’s some evidence.

u/beachedwhale1945

Really ironic coming from a guy who made a short saying you need to spend more time with your grandparents before they die. Something like “If they have two years left and you call them once

u/Hartastic

Totally agree with all of this and I want to be extra clear that I'm not excusing this bad implementation with what I say next. In a sense he can get away with these decisions up to a point

u/DarkflowNZ

Reminds me of the possibly apocryphal story of the con board that featured a bunch of writers including George R. R. Martin and Stephen King. GRRM says something to the effect of "I don't kno

u/Tamerlechatlevrai

The problem with not spending any time on heartbound is that people paid to finance the development on Kickstarter, so abandoning the project is a bad look if not possibly illegal. I don't th

u/Taira_Mai

He "roached" on a raid - on stream, his party was on a very difficult map where if you die you lose your character. His actions during the raid were bad enough (despite his claims of being a

u/PointBlue

No way Lmao. Imagine sucking on blizzards tits that you invoke multiple generations.

u/Taira_Mai

He "roached" on a raid - on stream, his party was on a very difficult map where if you die you lose your character. His actions during the raid were bad enough (despite his claims of being a

u/Pico144

Honestly as much as the codebase is dogshit, I don't agree with claims made by Coding Jesus that this won't ever be finished because of the codebase. It's a simple game, so while the codebase

u/iTwango

I wish you lots of luck on your adventures in learning game dev! My main issue with his messages were that he, at least in my opinion, discounted the idea of actually... Learning. "Just do i

u/Pico144

We all have our online nicknames, even if he chooses one that he doesn't live up to, like Thor, I'm gonna respect that even though I despise the guy However I absolutely love the movement to

u/DarkflowNZ

Reminds me of the possibly apocryphal story of the con board that featured a bunch of writers including George R. R. Martin and Stephen King. GRRM says something to the effect of "I don't kno

u/beachedwhale1945

Really ironic coming from a guy who made a short saying you need to spend more time with your grandparents before they die. Something like “If they have two years left and you call them once

u/talc25

The cutscenes were fire! Warcraft 3 was phenomenal

u/nikelaos117

His dad called him out on stream that he didn't even say happy birthday to him. And the last text he sent him was saying happy birthday to him last year. So not only did he not reach out to h

u/TheOnly_Anti

Answer: The increased attention to him has drawn scrutiny over his past. This scrutiny and the anger from his opposition to SKG has made him the target of an online rage campaign.

u/aznanimedude

The first one even

u/sgtfoleyistheman

I watched this guy on YouTube a few years ago. Some things he said sounded eloquent but they were all pretty shallow. Then He mentioned a few times how he worked QA at Amazon Games. I've be

u/t_sarkkinen

To add some detail: apparently the game is very much like Undertale, which is why some people are calling it an Undertale clone. The code is apparently very rudimentary too. It has also taken

u/drfunkenstien014

For me, he stood out because I grew up with people like this. They’d always have to one-up you on everything, would make all sorts of excuses as to why it was never their fault, make constant

u/messick

Wonder if his dad is embarrassed his son is spreading his secret shame all over town, lol. j/k, some of my best co-workers are former Blizzard engineers.

u/messick

Wonder if his dad is embarrassed his son is spreading his secret shame all over town, lol. j/k, some of my best co-workers are former Blizzard engineers.

u/IHazMagics

Oh that's not even the most cringe. When referring to his dad and Blizzard he now refers to himself as "the first second gen Blizzard employee" which is just so cloying and needy.

u/pe1uca

AFAIK his name is Jason Thor Hall, so if people refer to him in any of these names I'd say it should be fine. But no, he bans people calling him Jason.

u/PorkChop007

Indeed, for many years they were the gold standard. I mean, back in 2009 the WotLK cinematic had a tremendous impact, it had a technical and narrative quality far beyond anything almost anyon

u/theB1ackSwan

I mean, I can say that's fair. He doesn't go by that name as far as I'm aware, and misnaming anyone is just antisocial behavior (when you do it on purpose)

u/bigguccisosaxx

Just start making a game and look things up as you go. Your first game will be done very inefficient but you will learn a lot. Most importantly make the game you would want to play. Work on

u/drfunkenstien014

For me, he stood out because I grew up with people like this. They’d always have to one-up you on everything, would make all sorts of excuses as to why it was never their fault, make constant

u/zeldagold

I thought he doesn't have his code open on stream, and has config files for like Minecraft and such. It seems like coding reviewers have to go hunting to find examples of his actual coding

u/Pico144

We all have our online nicknames, even if he chooses one that he doesn't live up to, like Thor, I'm gonna respect that even though I despise the guy However I absolutely love the movement to

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

even if his dad seserved it, Jason himself proved time and time again that he is a compulsive liar, an imposter and adorns himself with borrowed plumes

u/sgtfoleyistheman

I watched this guy on YouTube a few years ago. Some things he said sounded eloquent but they were all pretty shallow. Then He mentioned a few times how he worked QA at Amazon Games. I've be

u/DiasFlac42

It’s all been explained already, but it’s worth noting that Thor had previously derided other players that were playing Mages in similar situations and said that they could/should have done m

u/aeschenkarnos

He raised that guy, so there’s some evidence.

u/Taira_Mai

Answer: His actions during a WOW raid and his vitriol directed at Stop Killing Games caused a lot of other Youtubers to dig into his past. He's been caught using his phone to solve puzzles o

u/engelthefallen

To add to what the others said, before his raid went south, we trashed others players for having a raid also result in deaths listing all the ways he would have been able to save that raid if

u/Taira_Mai

Answer: His actions during a WOW raid and his vitriol directed at Stop Killing Games caused a lot of other Youtubers to dig into his past. He's been caught using his phone to solve puzzles o

u/IHazMagics

Personally I think it goes deeper then that. When people say they are of a generation to a place, they say that because it connects them to a people. Him saying that connects him to a kind

u/SonderEber

Did you know he’s a second generation Blizzard employee? Did you know he worked for Blizzard?!?!?! Guys!!! He worked for Blizzard!!!

u/ciaomeridian

Can we not call him Thor. Clowns name is Jason lol. Everything he says about himself is a lie.

u/DasGanon

As someone who works in IT, I'd still call "not knowing anything in the learning department" still a catastrophe since you don't know what the code the chatbot is feeding you, if it has surpr

u/aeschenkarnos

He raised that guy, so there’s some evidence.

u/DarkflowNZ

Reminds me of the possibly apocryphal story of the con board that featured a bunch of writers including George R. R. Martin and Stephen King. GRRM says something to the effect of "I don't kno

u/Gazboolean

Yeah it’s fascinating to see a very fragile ego (in the most literal sense and not judgementally) in real time. There’s definitely some part of him that truly believes if he gives an inch eve

u/XenusParadox

Not OP, but a gamedev commenting for advice. What discipline(s) would you like to explore more deeply? e.g. game design, programming, or artistic expression with these tools? If you're no

u/Gazboolean

Yeah it’s fascinating to see a very fragile ego (in the most literal sense and not judgementally) in real time. There’s definitely some part of him that truly believes if he gives an inch eve

u/Jay_JWLH

I've seen videos constructively criticizing his coding. For the very few times that any VOD's he has of him actually coding, the coding was done poorly using bad practices. Then you add all

u/kafaldsbylur

The proper way is indeed to separate the conversations from the code. You can make a generic conversation/event handler that handles picking the appropriate conversation based on the current

u/Prasiatko

Isn't that known as a nepo hire?

u/XenusParadox

Not OP, but a gamedev commenting for advice. What discipline(s) would you like to explore more deeply? e.g. game design, programming, or artistic expression with these tools? If you're no

u/theBoyWonder_

His ego is probably what is holding him back from doing that. He probably wants to still be able to tout himself as a game dev but people will hold his failure to finish Heartbound over his h

u/sterling_mallory

Two I think. He published a self-help book that he wrote in one sitting overnight that became a best seller. "Wish it, Want it, Do it." Then he published his novel "Faster Than the Speed of L

u/Diet-Still

Oh a YouTuber influencer in tech/hacking/development that have 0 skill but talk a lot? *shocked face*

u/Atrium41

He also never calls his dad Said he almost went a year without talking to him

u/nikelaos117

His dad called him out on stream that he didn't even say happy birthday to him. And the last text he sent him was saying happy birthday to him last year. So not only did he not reach out to h

u/boat_

I know it's silly to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point, but I wouldn't blame him if he just came out and said that he makes more money from streaming and doesn't have the drive

u/LSF604

I haven't seen him present himself as an expert programmer specifically. But it's not like I have watched him a ton.

u/samsoncorpus

He keeps mentioning that he is a game dev working in the industry for nearly 20 years and in the past he talked about undertale's code being bad. It's not his coding people don't like, it's

u/PorkChop007

Indeed, for many years they were the gold standard. I mean, back in 2009 the WotLK cinematic had a tremendous impact, it had a technical and narrative quality far beyond anything almost anyon

u/IHazMagics

Personally I think it goes deeper then that. When people say they are of a generation to a place, they say that because it connects them to a people. Him saying that connects him to a kind

u/Supermunch2000

There was a video where [Joeyray Hall was talking about a thing that happened at Blizzard](https://youtu.be/gcmcmkPmW6c?t=3055) and he was going to call him Jason but corrected himself and ca

u/CardiologistMain7237

The guy is a narcissist. Plain and simple. He denies objective reality if it damages his ego or image. Which is sad, because when he started, people saw him as a kind of "Bob Ross of indie g

u/beachedwhale1945

Really ironic coming from a guy who made a short saying you need to spend more time with your grandparents before they die. Something like “If they have two years left and you call them once

u/NeviBevi

Oh, but he loses his mind if you point out he is a nepotism baby

u/TheSupr1

Oh, that was good!

u/TheOnly_Anti

Answer: The increased attention to him has drawn scrutiny over his past. This scrutiny and the anger from his opposition to SKG has made him the target of an online rage campaign.

u/ConspicuouslyBland

No problem, If I can answer properly, I will. If you do programming, or would like to do it, some of those videos pointing out the things he does wrong, are very educational.

u/platinum1004

You want to know what's worse? He treats his dad like absolute shit as well - [he forgot his dad's birthday, and when his dad calls him out on it, he doesn't even apologise (or even say happ

u/Alexxis91

The voice thing is hilarious to me, folks don’t like them but can’t comprehend that a person they don’t like has a cool voice.

u/Atrium41

He also never calls his dad Said he almost went a year without talking to him

u/SnabDedraterEdave

Thank you for actually answering the question for complete OOL-folks like me who don't even know who this clown is and what his relation is to this recent SKG movement.

u/RoutineCloud5993

His dad also helped South Park create Make Love Not Warcraft, then Trey and Matt thought it would be funny to make the bad guy of the episode look a little like him.

u/project2501c

that explains who stole the breast milk.

u/Eilavamp

He had a decent reputation before the wow incident, mostly because the most people really knew about him were his YouTube shorts. He went from obscurity to millions of twitch views in 2 month

u/AnticipateMe

If you take a look at *all* of his game dev category streams on twitch from the past. Every single one he does nothing. Maybe he scrolls up and down and changes some values, but I've never fo

u/Mr_ToDo

Oh goodness, that sounds just awful But now that we're here, what *is* the proper way to handle conversations where there's so many slight variations? I can imagine that if it's just pieces

u/Gazboolean

Something worth knowing is they were playing Hardcore WoW Classic. The classic version of the game takes a lot of time to progress and the hardcore version of the game means if you die you do

u/LegoClaes

So brave for him to literally never talk about that too

u/platinum1004

You want to know what's worse? He treats his dad like absolute shit as well - [he forgot his dad's birthday, and when his dad calls him out on it, he doesn't even apologise (or even say happ

u/Prasiatko

Isn't that known as a nepo hire?

u/XenusParadox

Not OP, but a gamedev commenting for advice. What discipline(s) would you like to explore more deeply? e.g. game design, programming, or artistic expression with these tools? If you're no

u/DarkflowNZ

Reminds me of the possibly apocryphal story of the con board that featured a bunch of writers including George R. R. Martin and Stephen King. GRRM says something to the effect of "I don't kno

u/talc25

The cutscenes were fire! Warcraft 3 was phenomenal

u/Far_Breakfast_5808

As a follow-up: as someone who had never heard of PirateSoftware before the SKG drama, and knowing very little about WoW, what happened during that WoW raid, why was that raid a big deal, and

u/theBoyWonder_

His ego is probably what is holding him back from doing that. He probably wants to still be able to tout himself as a game dev but people will hold his failure to finish Heartbound over his h

u/eatmygerms

Ya but did you know his dad worked for Blizzard /j

u/TheSupr1

Oh, that was good!

u/Gazboolean

At least that is a respectable position to take. He just won’t let go of it and continues to say he’s developing the game and that it’ll be released.

u/boat_

I know it's silly to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point, but I wouldn't blame him if he just came out and said that he makes more money from streaming and doesn't have the drive

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Ah, didn't know that part yet. I expect the algorithm will present it shortly.

u/CardiologistMain7237

The guy is a narcissist. Plain and simple. He denies objective reality if it damages his ego or image. Which is sad, because when he started, people saw him as a kind of "Bob Ross of indie g

u/Pyritedust

I have the same problem, I bought it in 2019 and I liked what was there, and was rather hopeful it would go on to be finished. It's one of the games that soured me on most early access titles

u/PointBlue

No way Lmao. Imagine sucking on blizzards tits that you invoke multiple generations.

u/CyberClawX

Coding needs structure though (specially nowadays, with many DLCs and patches). Well, it doesn't, but writing code by the skin of your pants will create enormous technical debt. You'll create

u/Hartastic

Totally agree with all of this and I want to be extra clear that I'm not excusing this bad implementation with what I say next. In a sense he can get away with these decisions up to a point

u/DiasFlac42

It’s all been explained already, but it’s worth noting that Thor had previously derided other players that were playing Mages in similar situations and said that they could/should have done m

u/SnabDedraterEdave

Thank you for actually answering the question for complete OOL-folks like me who don't even know who this clown is and what his relation is to this recent SKG movement.

u/AnticipateMe

If you take a look at *all* of his game dev category streams on twitch from the past. Every single one he does nothing. Maybe he scrolls up and down and changes some values, but I've never fo

u/Supermunch2000

There was a video where [Joeyray Hall was talking about a thing that happened at Blizzard](https://youtu.be/gcmcmkPmW6c?t=3055) and he was going to call him Jason but corrected himself and ca

u/project2501c

The milk?

u/SonderEber

Did you know he’s a second generation Blizzard employee? Did you know he worked for Blizzard?!?!?! Guys!!! He worked for Blizzard!!!

u/Taira_Mai

He "roached" on a raid - on stream, his party was on a very difficult map where if you die you lose your character. His actions during the raid were bad enough (despite his claims of being a

u/zeldagold

I thought he doesn't have his code open on stream, and has config files for like Minecraft and such. It seems like coding reviewers have to go hunting to find examples of his actual coding

u/kafaldsbylur

Indeed, but also on a longer timescale, what is one guy working alone effectively becomes a team project between guy-two-years-ago, guy-one-year-ago, guy-today, guy-one-year-from-now, etc. I

u/aznanimedude

The first one even

u/ciaomeridian

Can we not call him Thor. Clowns name is Jason lol. Everything he says about himself is a lie.

u/Certesis

Answer: He's made a lot of contradictory statements, like saying that [he never talks about blizzard,](https://youtu.be/Y03L5KlXDLg) and saying that [he isn't a "nepo baby" and then describin

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

even if his dad seserved it, Jason himself proved time and time again that he is a compulsive liar, an imposter and adorns himself with borrowed plumes

u/Tamerlechatlevrai

The problem with not spending any time on heartbound is that people paid to finance the development on Kickstarter, so abandoning the project is a bad look if not possibly illegal. I don't th

u/nikelaos117

His dad called him out on stream that he didn't even say happy birthday to him. And the last text he sent him was saying happy birthday to him last year. So not only did he not reach out to h

u/Pico144

Mostly agreed, to clarify - heartbound is already 8 years in development, still in early access and has about 3 hours of content. Oh, and he lied last year on multiple occasions that the game

u/SpadeSage

Answer: PirateSoftware never knows when to back down is the short answer. The longer answer: PirateSoftware constantly makes small comments that when analyzed in a stream environment a

u/Taira_Mai

Answer: His actions during a WOW raid and his vitriol directed at Stop Killing Games caused a lot of other Youtubers to dig into his past. He's been caught using his phone to solve puzzles o

u/PointBlue

No way Lmao. Imagine sucking on blizzards tits that you invoke multiple generations.

u/ThatGenericName2

It's funny to me that he absolutely acknowledges that the first time he was hired he only got the job because he was a nepo baby, but then tries to claim that the second time he was hired was

u/Diet-Still

Oh a YouTuber influencer in tech/hacking/development that have 0 skill but talk a lot? *shocked face*

u/Supermunch2000

There was a video where [Joeyray Hall was talking about a thing that happened at Blizzard](https://youtu.be/gcmcmkPmW6c?t=3055) and he was going to call him Jason but corrected himself and ca

u/AloneAddiction

His *dad* deserves every bit of praise coming to him because his cinematic abilities are excellent. I'd even go so far as to say Blizzard cinematics were the best in the game industry.

u/MrPsychoSomatic

>Is he a fraud? Maybe, we'll probably never know definitively. What? He's already *provably* a fraud. Definitively. >Does his game suck? No idea, and 97% of the people declaring it t

u/beachedwhale1945

Really ironic coming from a guy who made a short saying you need to spend more time with your grandparents before they die. Something like “If they have two years left and you call them once

u/kafaldsbylur

The proper way is indeed to separate the conversations from the code. You can make a generic conversation/event handler that handles picking the appropriate conversation based on the current

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Answer: he has been skyrocketing in popularity since 2023 or so. Acting like he’s this very wise, all knowing, very experienced developer, not in a pleasant way. Then he opposed SKG in such

u/sgtfoleyistheman

I watched this guy on YouTube a few years ago. Some things he said sounded eloquent but they were all pretty shallow. Then He mentioned a few times how he worked QA at Amazon Games. I've be

u/Mr_ToDo

Oh goodness, that sounds just awful But now that we're here, what *is* the proper way to handle conversations where there's so many slight variations? I can imagine that if it's just pieces

u/ciaomeridian

Can we not call him Thor. Clowns name is Jason lol. Everything he says about himself is a lie.

u/RoutineCloud5993

His dad also helped South Park create Make Love Not Warcraft, then Trey and Matt thought it would be funny to make the bad guy of the episode look a little like him.

u/nikelaos117

His dad called him out on stream that he didn't even say happy birthday to him. And the last text he sent him was saying happy birthday to him last year. So not only did he not reach out to h

u/Hartastic

100%. One of my least proud professional moments is coming to work one Monday, looking at some code and trying to figure out what the hell the developer was doing with it and why and, check

u/nikelaos117

His dad called him out on stream that he didn't even say happy birthday to him. And the last text he sent him was saying happy birthday to him last year. So not only did he not reach out to h

u/AnticipateMe

If you take a look at *all* of his game dev category streams on twitch from the past. Every single one he does nothing. Maybe he scrolls up and down and changes some values, but I've never fo

u/OneTripleZero

The thing of it though, is that his advice to "just make games" *is* great advice, because you will always be better served (in an indie environment) actually doing work instead of endlessly

u/OneTripleZero

The thing of it though, is that his advice to "just make games" *is* great advice, because you will always be better served (in an indie environment) actually doing work instead of endlessly

u/Pico144

Honestly as much as the codebase is dogshit, I don't agree with claims made by Coding Jesus that this won't ever be finished because of the codebase. It's a simple game, so while the codebase

u/talc25

The cutscenes were fire! Warcraft 3 was phenomenal

u/Pico144

Honestly as much as the codebase is dogshit, I don't agree with claims made by Coding Jesus that this won't ever be finished because of the codebase. It's a simple game, so while the codebase

u/sterling_mallory

Two I think. He published a self-help book that he wrote in one sitting overnight that became a best seller. "Wish it, Want it, Do it." Then he published his novel "Faster Than the Speed of L

u/ZombieJasus

That wouldn't make it any better, as he raised money for the game from Kickstarter almost a decade ago, and has sold many copies in steam early access. He owes a complete game to all the peop

u/zeldagold

I thought he doesn't have his code open on stream, and has config files for like Minecraft and such. It seems like coding reviewers have to go hunting to find examples of his actual coding

u/sharfpang

> "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, In some cases. In others, not. The two species of writers, Plotters vs Pantsers. Plotter

u/t_sarkkinen

To add some detail: apparently the game is very much like Undertale, which is why some people are calling it an Undertale clone. The code is apparently very rudimentary too. It has also taken

u/Diet-Still

Oh a YouTuber influencer in tech/hacking/development that have 0 skill but talk a lot? *shocked face*

u/IHazMagics

Personally I think it goes deeper then that. When people say they are of a generation to a place, they say that because it connects them to a people. Him saying that connects him to a kind

u/Certesis

Answer: He's made a lot of contradictory statements, like saying that [he never talks about blizzard,](https://youtu.be/Y03L5KlXDLg) and saying that [he isn't a "nepo baby" and then describin

u/IHazMagics

Personally I think it goes deeper then that. When people say they are of a generation to a place, they say that because it connects them to a people. Him saying that connects him to a kind

u/NopileosX2

He is one of those people where you can see the Dunning-Kruger effect in action for basically everything he does. He somehow got himself to believe he is very smart about all the things he ta

u/Taira_Mai

Answer: His actions during a WOW raid and his vitriol directed at Stop Killing Games caused a lot of other Youtubers to dig into his past. He's been caught using his phone to solve puzzles o

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

even if his dad seserved it, Jason himself proved time and time again that he is a compulsive liar, an imposter and adorns himself with borrowed plumes

u/mwrddt

It is absolutely below junior level code and while a lot of it is nitpicking, the bad practices are likely a big part of the reason why he has problems finishing a relatively small game. Yes

u/platinum1004

You want to know what's worse? He treats his dad like absolute shit as well - [he forgot his dad's birthday, and when his dad calls him out on it, he doesn't even apologise (or even say happ

u/t_sarkkinen

To add some detail: apparently the game is very much like Undertale, which is why some people are calling it an Undertale clone. The code is apparently very rudimentary too. It has also taken

u/Diet-Still

Oh a YouTuber influencer in tech/hacking/development that have 0 skill but talk a lot? *shocked face*

u/IHazMagics

The message is somewhat undercut and devalued when the person delivering tbat message does a lot of very public things that are against the spirit of his messages. Because im sure there aren

u/Far_Breakfast_5808

As a follow-up: as someone who had never heard of PirateSoftware before the SKG drama, and knowing very little about WoW, what happened during that WoW raid, why was that raid a big deal, and

u/KuroShiroTaka

Yeah, if that one stream with the therapist (Healthy Gamers IIRC) was any indication, it sounds like the reasons he refused to apologize or own up is cus he sees that as showing weakness or s

u/scalyblue

Heartbound does have a staggering amount of content from a certain point of view, but it’s not content that player is going to ever see. It has a branching system of dialog that offers choic

u/bionicjoey

Proud nepo baby lol

u/PewPewDesertRat

The instant he gave his take on VPNs, I knew he was a fraud. He’s just a contrarian that says whatever sounds good to him.

u/Gazboolean

Answer: PirateSoftware has positioned himself as a professional in the game development space. The SKG stuff caused people to scrutinise his background and found it lacking from both a develo

u/PorkChop007

Indeed, for many years they were the gold standard. I mean, back in 2009 the WotLK cinematic had a tremendous impact, it had a technical and narrative quality far beyond anything almost anyon

u/Eilavamp

He had a decent reputation before the wow incident, mostly because the most people really knew about him were his YouTube shorts. He went from obscurity to millions of twitch views in 2 month

u/scalyblue

Heartbound does have a staggering amount of content from a certain point of view, but it’s not content that player is going to ever see. It has a branching system of dialog that offers choic

u/AloneAddiction

His *dad* deserves every bit of praise coming to him because his cinematic abilities are excellent. I'd even go so far as to say Blizzard cinematics were the best in the game industry.

u/SpadeSage

Answer: PirateSoftware never knows when to back down is the short answer. The longer answer: PirateSoftware constantly makes small comments that when analyzed in a stream environment a

u/Supermunch2000

There was a video where [Joeyray Hall was talking about a thing that happened at Blizzard](https://youtu.be/gcmcmkPmW6c?t=3055) and he was going to call him Jason but corrected himself and ca

u/aeschenkarnos

He raised that guy, so there’s some evidence.

u/scalyblue

Heartbound does have a staggering amount of content from a certain point of view, but it’s not content that player is going to ever see. It has a branching system of dialog that offers choic

u/iTwango

His "just make games" and his advice on being/becoming a programmer/dev always rubbed me the wrong way, tbh. As someone who has legit education in computer sciences, it seemed either disingen

u/eatmygerms

Ya but did you know his dad worked for Blizzard /j

u/platinum1004

There's no evidence Joeyray Hall was a terrible (or good) parent, so not going to speculate, as people turning out horrible isn't always evidence of bad parenting either. There is, however,

u/TheOnly_Anti

Answer: The increased attention to him has drawn scrutiny over his past. This scrutiny and the anger from his opposition to SKG has made him the target of an online rage campaign.

u/RoutineCloud5993

His dad also helped South Park create Make Love Not Warcraft, then Trey and Matt thought it would be funny to make the bad guy of the episode look a little like him.

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

he also worked as a QA at blizzard, which isn't a considerably prestigious position either.

u/sterling_mallory

Two I think. He published a self-help book that he wrote in one sitting overnight that became a best seller. "Wish it, Want it, Do it." Then he published his novel "Faster Than the Speed of L

u/Hartastic

100%. One of my least proud professional moments is coming to work one Monday, looking at some code and trying to figure out what the hell the developer was doing with it and why and, check

u/IHazMagics

Oh that's not even the most cringe. When referring to his dad and Blizzard he now refers to himself as "the first second gen Blizzard employee" which is just so cloying and needy.

u/NeviBevi

Oh, but he loses his mind if you point out he is a nepotism baby

u/Shadow-melder

Thanks for sharing about his dad, what little I've seen second-hand of this drama I never knew what he actually did. I immediately recognized the name from the character "Joey Ray" featured

u/theB1ackSwan

I mean, I can say that's fair. He doesn't go by that name as far as I'm aware, and misnaming anyone is just antisocial behavior (when you do it on purpose)

u/sgtfoleyistheman

I watched this guy on YouTube a few years ago. Some things he said sounded eloquent but they were all pretty shallow. Then He mentioned a few times how he worked QA at Amazon Games. I've be

u/IHazMagics

Oh that's not even the most cringe. When referring to his dad and Blizzard he now refers to himself as "the first second gen Blizzard employee" which is just so cloying and needy.

u/KuroShiroTaka

Yeah, if that one stream with the therapist (Healthy Gamers IIRC) was any indication, it sounds like the reasons he refused to apologize or own up is cus he sees that as showing weakness or s

u/AnticipateMe

If you take a look at *all* of his game dev category streams on twitch from the past. Every single one he does nothing. Maybe he scrolls up and down and changes some values, but I've never fo

u/Gazboolean

He said he was a hacker for US nuclear power plants. Which is one of those technically correct but implies something greater statements. I forgot which video I saw but it explained how what

u/t_sarkkinen

To add some detail: apparently the game is very much like Undertale, which is why some people are calling it an Undertale clone. The code is apparently very rudimentary too. It has also taken

u/lilahking

yeah, bro has multiple children. one kid turning out to be an asshole isn't on the parents. i should know, my parents are great and i suck

u/zeldagold

I thought he doesn't have his code open on stream, and has config files for like Minecraft and such. It seems like coding reviewers have to go hunting to find examples of his actual coding

u/CyberClawX

Coding needs structure though (specially nowadays, with many DLCs and patches). Well, it doesn't, but writing code by the skin of your pants will create enormous technical debt. You'll create

u/Hartastic

Totally agree with all of this and I want to be extra clear that I'm not excusing this bad implementation with what I say next. In a sense he can get away with these decisions up to a point

u/Etheo

Eh, I don't know. I'm not a fan of the guy but I wouldn't be too judgy on that. Who knows what their family relationship is like? For all we know maybe the Dad did deserve it. Or didn't, w

u/CyberClawX

I've seen a bit of the initial Coding Jesus code analysis of Thor's Pirate Software code, that sparked the debate, and heard them talking about it for like 5 or 10 minutes until I tuned out,

u/SonderEber

Did you know he’s a second generation Blizzard employee? Did you know he worked for Blizzard?!?!?! Guys!!! He worked for Blizzard!!!

u/LSF604

the focus on programming is weird. Indie devs aren't going to be great programmers. They are generalists

u/Prasiatko

Isn't that known as a nepo hire?

u/Certesis

Answer: He's made a lot of contradictory statements, like saying that [he never talks about blizzard,](https://youtu.be/Y03L5KlXDLg) and saying that [he isn't a "nepo baby" and then describin

u/AnticipateMe

If you take a look at *all* of his game dev category streams on twitch from the past. Every single one he does nothing. Maybe he scrolls up and down and changes some values, but I've never fo

u/Tamerlechatlevrai

The problem with not spending any time on heartbound is that people paid to finance the development on Kickstarter, so abandoning the project is a bad look if not possibly illegal. I don't th

u/Mr_ToDo

Oh goodness, that sounds just awful But now that we're here, what *is* the proper way to handle conversations where there's so many slight variations? I can imagine that if it's just pieces

u/Eilavamp

He had a decent reputation before the wow incident, mostly because the most people really knew about him were his YouTube shorts. He went from obscurity to millions of twitch views in 2 month

u/CardiologistMain7237

The guy is a narcissist. Plain and simple. He denies objective reality if it damages his ego or image. Which is sad, because when he started, people saw him as a kind of "Bob Ross of indie g

u/messick

Wonder if his dad is embarrassed his son is spreading his secret shame all over town, lol. j/k, some of my best co-workers are former Blizzard engineers.

u/NopileosX2

He is one of those people where you can see the Dunning-Kruger effect in action for basically everything he does. He somehow got himself to believe he is very smart about all the things he ta

u/iTwango

His "just make games" and his advice on being/becoming a programmer/dev always rubbed me the wrong way, tbh. As someone who has legit education in computer sciences, it seemed either disingen

u/SonderEber

Did you know he’s a second generation Blizzard employee? Did you know he worked for Blizzard?!?!?! Guys!!! He worked for Blizzard!!!

u/Gazboolean

I played the game and was genuinely baffled about how incomplete it was. The worst part is I enjoyed what was there, as far as the story being told, but it being so incomplete was such a wast

u/Pico144

Mostly agreed, to clarify - heartbound is already 8 years in development, still in early access and has about 3 hours of content. Oh, and he lied last year on multiple occasions that the game

u/Gazboolean

At least that is a respectable position to take. He just won’t let go of it and continues to say he’s developing the game and that it’ll be released.

u/drfunkenstien014

For me, he stood out because I grew up with people like this. They’d always have to one-up you on everything, would make all sorts of excuses as to why it was never their fault, make constant

u/theBoyWonder_

His ego is probably what is holding him back from doing that. He probably wants to still be able to tout himself as a game dev but people will hold his failure to finish Heartbound over his h

u/IHazMagics

The message is somewhat undercut and devalued when the person delivering tbat message does a lot of very public things that are against the spirit of his messages. Because im sure there aren

u/Gazboolean

Yeah it’s fascinating to see a very fragile ego (in the most literal sense and not judgementally) in real time. There’s definitely some part of him that truly believes if he gives an inch eve

u/Jay_JWLH

Kind of reminds me of Brian from Family Guy. Stewie is always giving him crap, because Brian constantly sells himself as an avid book reader with high intelligence that is writing his own nov

u/pe1uca

AFAIK his name is Jason Thor Hall, so if people refer to him in any of these names I'd say it should be fine. But no, he bans people calling him Jason.

u/Goaliedude3919

He apparently forgot he said that, because now he claims not to be a nepo hire lol https://youtu.be/WzPAePAFl58?si=4_MY7_CZLZV3ZQGo

u/Soul-Burn

He made a nice six figures from a single stream hype train... Which is now being scrutinized for fraud. Considering his coding style, I'd ve discouraged to continue as well.

u/HibbletonFan

That’s not the brag he thinks it is. To me it sounds like, I couldn’t have gotten my job at Blizzard without my dad’s help.

u/IHazMagics

Oh that's not even the most cringe. When referring to his dad and Blizzard he now refers to himself as "the first second gen Blizzard employee" which is just so cloying and needy.

u/PorkChop007

Indeed, for many years they were the gold standard. I mean, back in 2009 the WotLK cinematic had a tremendous impact, it had a technical and narrative quality far beyond anything almost anyon

u/talc25

The cutscenes were fire! Warcraft 3 was phenomenal

u/iTwango

His "just make games" and his advice on being/becoming a programmer/dev always rubbed me the wrong way, tbh. As someone who has legit education in computer sciences, it seemed either disingen

u/Hartastic

100%. One of my least proud professional moments is coming to work one Monday, looking at some code and trying to figure out what the hell the developer was doing with it and why and, check

u/AnticipateMe

If you take a look at *all* of his game dev category streams on twitch from the past. Every single one he does nothing. Maybe he scrolls up and down and changes some values, but I've never fo

u/OneTripleZero

The thing of it though, is that his advice to "just make games" *is* great advice, because you will always be better served (in an indie environment) actually doing work instead of endlessly

u/Eilavamp

He had a decent reputation before the wow incident, mostly because the most people really knew about him were his YouTube shorts. He went from obscurity to millions of twitch views in 2 month

u/NeviBevi

Oh, but he loses his mind if you point out he is a nepotism baby

u/IHazMagics

Oh that's not even the most cringe. When referring to his dad and Blizzard he now refers to himself as "the first second gen Blizzard employee" which is just so cloying and needy.

u/Supermunch2000

There was a video where [Joeyray Hall was talking about a thing that happened at Blizzard](https://youtu.be/gcmcmkPmW6c?t=3055) and he was going to call him Jason but corrected himself and ca

u/aznanimedude

The first one even

u/Etheo

Eh, I don't know. I'm not a fan of the guy but I wouldn't be too judgy on that. Who knows what their family relationship is like? For all we know maybe the Dad did deserve it. Or didn't, w

u/Taira_Mai

He "roached" on a raid - on stream, his party was on a very difficult map where if you die you lose your character. His actions during the raid were bad enough (despite his claims of being a

u/HibbletonFan

That’s not the brag he thinks it is. To me it sounds like, I couldn’t have gotten my job at Blizzard without my dad’s help.

u/sterling_mallory

Two I think. He published a self-help book that he wrote in one sitting overnight that became a best seller. "Wish it, Want it, Do it." Then he published his novel "Faster Than the Speed of L

u/Eamonsieur

In Stephen King’s autobiography *On Writing*, he talks about how lots of fans come up to him and say they always wanted to be a writer, but when he asks them what they’ve written, none of the

u/Pico144

We all have our online nicknames, even if he chooses one that he doesn't live up to, like Thor, I'm gonna respect that even though I despise the guy However I absolutely love the movement to

u/Supermunch2000

There was a video where [Joeyray Hall was talking about a thing that happened at Blizzard](https://youtu.be/gcmcmkPmW6c?t=3055) and he was going to call him Jason but corrected himself and ca

u/Taira_Mai

He "roached" on a raid - on stream, his party was on a very difficult map where if you die you lose your character. His actions during the raid were bad enough (despite his claims of being a

u/Gazboolean

Answer: PirateSoftware has positioned himself as a professional in the game development space. The SKG stuff caused people to scrutinise his background and found it lacking from both a develo

u/aznanimedude

The first one even

u/SnabDedraterEdave

Thank you for actually answering the question for complete OOL-folks like me who don't even know who this clown is and what his relation is to this recent SKG movement.

u/SpadeSage

Answer: PirateSoftware never knows when to back down is the short answer. The longer answer: PirateSoftware constantly makes small comments that when analyzed in a stream environment a

u/nikelaos117

His dad called him out on stream that he didn't even say happy birthday to him. And the last text he sent him was saying happy birthday to him last year. So not only did he not reach out to h

u/Hartastic

100%. One of my least proud professional moments is coming to work one Monday, looking at some code and trying to figure out what the hell the developer was doing with it and why and, check

u/ConspicuouslyBland

No problem, If I can answer properly, I will. If you do programming, or would like to do it, some of those videos pointing out the things he does wrong, are very educational.

u/iTwango

I wish you lots of luck on your adventures in learning game dev! My main issue with his messages were that he, at least in my opinion, discounted the idea of actually... Learning. "Just do i

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Ah, didn't know that part yet. I expect the algorithm will present it shortly.

u/IHazMagics

Oh that's not even the most cringe. When referring to his dad and Blizzard he now refers to himself as "the first second gen Blizzard employee" which is just so cloying and needy.

u/ZombieJasus

That wouldn't make it any better, as he raised money for the game from Kickstarter almost a decade ago, and has sold many copies in steam early access. He owes a complete game to all the peop

u/Hartastic

100%. One of my least proud professional moments is coming to work one Monday, looking at some code and trying to figure out what the hell the developer was doing with it and why and, check

u/NopileosX2

He is one of those people where you can see the Dunning-Kruger effect in action for basically everything he does. He somehow got himself to believe he is very smart about all the things he ta

u/engelthefallen

To add to what the others said, before his raid went south, we trashed others players for having a raid also result in deaths listing all the ways he would have been able to save that raid if

u/IHazMagics

Personally I think it goes deeper then that. When people say they are of a generation to a place, they say that because it connects them to a people. Him saying that connects him to a kind

u/iTwango

His "just make games" and his advice on being/becoming a programmer/dev always rubbed me the wrong way, tbh. As someone who has legit education in computer sciences, it seemed either disingen

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

even if his dad seserved it, Jason himself proved time and time again that he is a compulsive liar, an imposter and adorns himself with borrowed plumes

u/sharfpang

> "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, In some cases. In others, not. The two species of writers, Plotters vs Pantsers. Plotter

u/Goaliedude3919

He apparently forgot he said that, because now he claims not to be a nepo hire lol https://youtu.be/WzPAePAFl58?si=4_MY7_CZLZV3ZQGo

u/Far_Breakfast_5808

As a follow-up: as someone who had never heard of PirateSoftware before the SKG drama, and knowing very little about WoW, what happened during that WoW raid, why was that raid a big deal, and

u/iTwango

His "just make games" and his advice on being/becoming a programmer/dev always rubbed me the wrong way, tbh. As someone who has legit education in computer sciences, it seemed either disingen

u/engelthefallen

To add to what the others said, before his raid went south, we trashed others players for having a raid also result in deaths listing all the ways he would have been able to save that raid if

u/Mr_ToDo

Oh goodness, that sounds just awful But now that we're here, what *is* the proper way to handle conversations where there's so many slight variations? I can imagine that if it's just pieces

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

despite admitting it by himself in a stream, lmfao.

u/DiasFlac42

It’s all been explained already, but it’s worth noting that Thor had previously derided other players that were playing Mages in similar situations and said that they could/should have done m

u/CardiologistMain7237

The guy is a narcissist. Plain and simple. He denies objective reality if it damages his ego or image. Which is sad, because when he started, people saw him as a kind of "Bob Ross of indie g

u/Supermunch2000

There was a video where [Joeyray Hall was talking about a thing that happened at Blizzard](https://youtu.be/gcmcmkPmW6c?t=3055) and he was going to call him Jason but corrected himself and ca

u/Gazboolean

Yeah it’s fascinating to see a very fragile ego (in the most literal sense and not judgementally) in real time. There’s definitely some part of him that truly believes if he gives an inch eve

u/Taira_Mai

Answer: His actions during a WOW raid and his vitriol directed at Stop Killing Games caused a lot of other Youtubers to dig into his past. He's been caught using his phone to solve puzzles o

u/LSF604

And? If someone's primary discipline isn't coding, it's gonna be crap. That shouldn't be a shock.

u/PorkChop007

Indeed, for many years they were the gold standard. I mean, back in 2009 the WotLK cinematic had a tremendous impact, it had a technical and narrative quality far beyond anything almost anyon

u/engelthefallen

To add to what the others said, before his raid went south, we trashed others players for having a raid also result in deaths listing all the ways he would have been able to save that raid if

u/Gazboolean

I played the game and was genuinely baffled about how incomplete it was. The worst part is I enjoyed what was there, as far as the story being told, but it being so incomplete was such a wast

u/IHazMagics

Personally I think it goes deeper then that. When people say they are of a generation to a place, they say that because it connects them to a people. Him saying that connects him to a kind

u/ZombieJasus

That wouldn't make it any better, as he raised money for the game from Kickstarter almost a decade ago, and has sold many copies in steam early access. He owes a complete game to all the peop

u/LegoClaes

So brave for him to literally never talk about that too

u/KuroShiroTaka

Yeah, if that one stream with the therapist (Healthy Gamers IIRC) was any indication, it sounds like the reasons he refused to apologize or own up is cus he sees that as showing weakness or s

u/DarkflowNZ

The same way a writer should "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, but the point is you have to do it. There comes a point where no am

u/Eamonsieur

In Stephen King’s autobiography *On Writing*, he talks about how lots of fans come up to him and say they always wanted to be a writer, but when he asks them what they’ve written, none of the

u/IHazMagics

Oh that's not even the most cringe. When referring to his dad and Blizzard he now refers to himself as "the first second gen Blizzard employee" which is just so cloying and needy.

u/messick

Wonder if his dad is embarrassed his son is spreading his secret shame all over town, lol. j/k, some of my best co-workers are former Blizzard engineers.

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

he also worked as a QA at blizzard, which isn't a considerably prestigious position either.

u/scalyblue

Heartbound does have a staggering amount of content from a certain point of view, but it’s not content that player is going to ever see. It has a branching system of dialog that offers choic

u/eatmygerms

Ya but did you know his dad worked for Blizzard /j

u/Diet-Still

Oh a YouTuber influencer in tech/hacking/development that have 0 skill but talk a lot? *shocked face*

u/SpadeSage

Answer: PirateSoftware never knows when to back down is the short answer. The longer answer: PirateSoftware constantly makes small comments that when analyzed in a stream environment a

u/Gazboolean

At least that is a respectable position to take. He just won’t let go of it and continues to say he’s developing the game and that it’ll be released.

u/Whats-his-nuts

As someone trying to pick up game creation in my free time, what did you like and not like about this message? Follow up, any people/resources you could point me to to get better, especially

u/PorkChop007

Indeed, for many years they were the gold standard. I mean, back in 2009 the WotLK cinematic had a tremendous impact, it had a technical and narrative quality far beyond anything almost anyon

u/Jay_JWLH

I've seen videos constructively criticizing his coding. For the very few times that any VOD's he has of him actually coding, the coding was done poorly using bad practices. Then you add all

u/theB1ackSwan

I mean, I can say that's fair. He doesn't go by that name as far as I'm aware, and misnaming anyone is just antisocial behavior (when you do it on purpose)

u/platinum1004

[Yes, as Joeyray says so himself in his AMA.](https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/3xjjbr/ama_joeyray_hall/cy58gf1/)

u/Tamerlechatlevrai

The problem with not spending any time on heartbound is that people paid to finance the development on Kickstarter, so abandoning the project is a bad look if not possibly illegal. I don't th

u/Pico144

Honestly as much as the codebase is dogshit, I don't agree with claims made by Coding Jesus that this won't ever be finished because of the codebase. It's a simple game, so while the codebase

u/AloneAddiction

His *dad* deserves every bit of praise coming to him because his cinematic abilities are excellent. I'd even go so far as to say Blizzard cinematics were the best in the game industry.

u/SpadeSage

Answer: PirateSoftware never knows when to back down is the short answer. The longer answer: PirateSoftware constantly makes small comments that when analyzed in a stream environment a

u/Gazboolean

Yeah it’s fascinating to see a very fragile ego (in the most literal sense and not judgementally) in real time. There’s definitely some part of him that truly believes if he gives an inch eve

u/AnticipateMe

Technically he doesn't fit the indie dev type. His game has had financial backing from a third party (crowdfunded) and he has misled his backers. His "patches/updates" are hilariously lacklus

u/Atrium41

He also never calls his dad Said he almost went a year without talking to him

u/pe1uca

AFAIK his name is Jason Thor Hall, so if people refer to him in any of these names I'd say it should be fine. But no, he bans people calling him Jason.

u/Certesis

Answer: He's made a lot of contradictory statements, like saying that [he never talks about blizzard,](https://youtu.be/Y03L5KlXDLg) and saying that [he isn't a "nepo baby" and then describin

u/XenusParadox

Not OP, but a gamedev commenting for advice. What discipline(s) would you like to explore more deeply? e.g. game design, programming, or artistic expression with these tools? If you're no

u/project2501c

that explains who stole the breast milk.

u/KuroShiroTaka

Yeah, if that one stream with the therapist (Healthy Gamers IIRC) was any indication, it sounds like the reasons he refused to apologize or own up is cus he sees that as showing weakness or s

u/platinum1004

There's no evidence Joeyray Hall was a terrible (or good) parent, so not going to speculate, as people turning out horrible isn't always evidence of bad parenting either. There is, however,

u/HibbletonFan

That’s not the brag he thinks it is. To me it sounds like, I couldn’t have gotten my job at Blizzard without my dad’s help.

u/Mr_ToDo

Oh goodness, that sounds just awful But now that we're here, what *is* the proper way to handle conversations where there's so many slight variations? I can imagine that if it's just pieces

u/Whats-his-nuts

As someone trying to pick up game creation in my free time, what did you like and not like about this message? Follow up, any people/resources you could point me to to get better, especially

u/Taira_Mai

Answer: His actions during a WOW raid and his vitriol directed at Stop Killing Games caused a lot of other Youtubers to dig into his past. He's been caught using his phone to solve puzzles o

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

he also worked as a QA at blizzard, which isn't a considerably prestigious position either.

u/Gazboolean

I played the game and was genuinely baffled about how incomplete it was. The worst part is I enjoyed what was there, as far as the story being told, but it being so incomplete was such a wast

u/Prasiatko

Isn't that known as a nepo hire?

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

even if his dad seserved it, Jason himself proved time and time again that he is a compulsive liar, an imposter and adorns himself with borrowed plumes

u/Eilavamp

He had a decent reputation before the wow incident, mostly because the most people really knew about him were his YouTube shorts. He went from obscurity to millions of twitch views in 2 month

u/ThatGenericName2

It's funny to me that he absolutely acknowledges that the first time he was hired he only got the job because he was a nepo baby, but then tries to claim that the second time he was hired was

u/Gazboolean

At least that is a respectable position to take. He just won’t let go of it and continues to say he’s developing the game and that it’ll be released.

u/t_sarkkinen

To add some detail: apparently the game is very much like Undertale, which is why some people are calling it an Undertale clone. The code is apparently very rudimentary too. It has also taken

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Ah, didn't know that part yet. I expect the algorithm will present it shortly.

u/Hartastic

100%. One of my least proud professional moments is coming to work one Monday, looking at some code and trying to figure out what the hell the developer was doing with it and why and, check

u/Supermunch2000

There was a video where [Joeyray Hall was talking about a thing that happened at Blizzard](https://youtu.be/gcmcmkPmW6c?t=3055) and he was going to call him Jason but corrected himself and ca

u/aeschenkarnos

He raised that guy, so there’s some evidence.

u/Soul-Burn

He made a nice six figures from a single stream hype train... Which is now being scrutinized for fraud. Considering his coding style, I'd ve discouraged to continue as well.

u/SonderEber

Did you know he’s a second generation Blizzard employee? Did you know he worked for Blizzard?!?!?! Guys!!! He worked for Blizzard!!!

u/bionicjoey

Proud nepo baby lol

u/KeepSwinging

He really likes to cherry pick reality to his liking. Did the same thing by doing a collab with the roach covered trash man right after his twitch ban for racist comments by crying “we’re jus

u/PewPewDesertRat

The instant he gave his take on VPNs, I knew he was a fraud. He’s just a contrarian that says whatever sounds good to him.

u/XenusParadox

Not OP, but a gamedev commenting for advice. What discipline(s) would you like to explore more deeply? e.g. game design, programming, or artistic expression with these tools? If you're no

u/Mr_ToDo

Oh goodness, that sounds just awful But now that we're here, what *is* the proper way to handle conversations where there's so many slight variations? I can imagine that if it's just pieces

u/DarkflowNZ

The same way a writer should "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, but the point is you have to do it. There comes a point where no am

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Answer: he has been skyrocketing in popularity since 2023 or so. Acting like he’s this very wise, all knowing, very experienced developer, not in a pleasant way. Then he opposed SKG in such

u/CardiologistMain7237

The guy is a narcissist. Plain and simple. He denies objective reality if it damages his ego or image. Which is sad, because when he started, people saw him as a kind of "Bob Ross of indie g

u/SonderEber

No no no, he’s a second gen employee! /s He actually has said he’s a nepo baby.

u/Goaliedude3919

He apparently forgot he said that, because now he claims not to be a nepo hire lol https://youtu.be/WzPAePAFl58?si=4_MY7_CZLZV3ZQGo

u/Whats-his-nuts

As someone trying to pick up game creation in my free time, what did you like and not like about this message? Follow up, any people/resources you could point me to to get better, especially

u/Pico144

Honestly as much as the codebase is dogshit, I don't agree with claims made by Coding Jesus that this won't ever be finished because of the codebase. It's a simple game, so while the codebase

u/platinum1004

[Yes, as Joeyray says so himself in his AMA.](https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/3xjjbr/ama_joeyray_hall/cy58gf1/)

u/sgtfoleyistheman

I watched this guy on YouTube a few years ago. Some things he said sounded eloquent but they were all pretty shallow. Then He mentioned a few times how he worked QA at Amazon Games. I've be

u/SonderEber

Did you know he’s a second generation Blizzard employee? Did you know he worked for Blizzard?!?!?! Guys!!! He worked for Blizzard!!!

u/Taira_Mai

He "roached" on a raid - on stream, his party was on a very difficult map where if you die you lose your character. His actions during the raid were bad enough (despite his claims of being a

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Answer: he has been skyrocketing in popularity since 2023 or so. Acting like he’s this very wise, all knowing, very experienced developer, not in a pleasant way. Then he opposed SKG in such

u/Tamerlechatlevrai

The problem with not spending any time on heartbound is that people paid to finance the development on Kickstarter, so abandoning the project is a bad look if not possibly illegal. I don't th

u/Far_Breakfast_5808

As a follow-up: as someone who had never heard of PirateSoftware before the SKG drama, and knowing very little about WoW, what happened during that WoW raid, why was that raid a big deal, and

u/NopileosX2

He is one of those people where you can see the Dunning-Kruger effect in action for basically everything he does. He somehow got himself to believe he is very smart about all the things he ta

u/Shadow-melder

Thanks for sharing about his dad, what little I've seen second-hand of this drama I never knew what he actually did. I immediately recognized the name from the character "Joey Ray" featured

u/Prasiatko

Isn't that known as a nepo hire?

u/CardiologistMain7237

The guy is a narcissist. Plain and simple. He denies objective reality if it damages his ego or image. Which is sad, because when he started, people saw him as a kind of "Bob Ross of indie g

u/RoutineCloud5993

His dad also helped South Park create Make Love Not Warcraft, then Trey and Matt thought it would be funny to make the bad guy of the episode look a little like him.

u/DiasFlac42

It’s all been explained already, but it’s worth noting that Thor had previously derided other players that were playing Mages in similar situations and said that they could/should have done m

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Ah, didn't know that part yet. I expect the algorithm will present it shortly.

u/theB1ackSwan

I mean, I can say that's fair. He doesn't go by that name as far as I'm aware, and misnaming anyone is just antisocial behavior (when you do it on purpose)

u/t_sarkkinen

To add some detail: apparently the game is very much like Undertale, which is why some people are calling it an Undertale clone. The code is apparently very rudimentary too. It has also taken

u/ciaomeridian

Can we not call him Thor. Clowns name is Jason lol. Everything he says about himself is a lie.

u/ZombieJasus

That wouldn't make it any better, as he raised money for the game from Kickstarter almost a decade ago, and has sold many copies in steam early access. He owes a complete game to all the peop

u/AloneAddiction

His *dad* deserves every bit of praise coming to him because his cinematic abilities are excellent. I'd even go so far as to say Blizzard cinematics were the best in the game industry.

u/sgtfoleyistheman

I watched this guy on YouTube a few years ago. Some things he said sounded eloquent but they were all pretty shallow. Then He mentioned a few times how he worked QA at Amazon Games. I've be

u/DarkflowNZ

Reminds me of the possibly apocryphal story of the con board that featured a bunch of writers including George R. R. Martin and Stephen King. GRRM says something to the effect of "I don't kno

u/PewPewDesertRat

The instant he gave his take on VPNs, I knew he was a fraud. He’s just a contrarian that says whatever sounds good to him.

u/Jay_JWLH

Kind of reminds me of Brian from Family Guy. Stewie is always giving him crap, because Brian constantly sells himself as an avid book reader with high intelligence that is writing his own nov

u/XenusParadox

Not OP, but a gamedev commenting for advice. What discipline(s) would you like to explore more deeply? e.g. game design, programming, or artistic expression with these tools? If you're no

u/Jay_JWLH

Kind of reminds me of Brian from Family Guy. Stewie is always giving him crap, because Brian constantly sells himself as an avid book reader with high intelligence that is writing his own nov

u/ZombieJasus

That wouldn't make it any better, as he raised money for the game from Kickstarter almost a decade ago, and has sold many copies in steam early access. He owes a complete game to all the peop

u/pe1uca

AFAIK his name is Jason Thor Hall, so if people refer to him in any of these names I'd say it should be fine. But no, he bans people calling him Jason.

u/vlladonxxx

I can really relate to that. For instance, I'm a second generation father. Don't have my own kids as of yet, but my father does.

u/Gazboolean

Yeah it’s fascinating to see a very fragile ego (in the most literal sense and not judgementally) in real time. There’s definitely some part of him that truly believes if he gives an inch eve

u/AnticipateMe

If you take a look at *all* of his game dev category streams on twitch from the past. Every single one he does nothing. Maybe he scrolls up and down and changes some values, but I've never fo

u/aeschenkarnos

He raised that guy, so there’s some evidence.

u/OneTripleZero

The thing of it though, is that his advice to "just make games" *is* great advice, because you will always be better served (in an indie environment) actually doing work instead of endlessly

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

he also worked as a QA at blizzard, which isn't a considerably prestigious position either.

u/Jay_JWLH

I've seen videos constructively criticizing his coding. For the very few times that any VOD's he has of him actually coding, the coding was done poorly using bad practices. Then you add all

u/Atrium41

He also never calls his dad Said he almost went a year without talking to him

u/CardiologistMain7237

The guy is a narcissist. Plain and simple. He denies objective reality if it damages his ego or image. Which is sad, because when he started, people saw him as a kind of "Bob Ross of indie g

u/aznanimedude

The first one even

u/platinum1004

There's no evidence Joeyray Hall was a terrible (or good) parent, so not going to speculate, as people turning out horrible isn't always evidence of bad parenting either. There is, however,

u/iTwango

I agree with you in that you have to actually put the pedal to the metal and make and release something. But saying that to someone dreaming of being a game dev that's never written a line of

u/ZombieJasus

That wouldn't make it any better, as he raised money for the game from Kickstarter almost a decade ago, and has sold many copies in steam early access. He owes a complete game to all the peop

u/messick

Wonder if his dad is embarrassed his son is spreading his secret shame all over town, lol. j/k, some of my best co-workers are former Blizzard engineers.

u/zeldagold

I thought he doesn't have his code open on stream, and has config files for like Minecraft and such. It seems like coding reviewers have to go hunting to find examples of his actual coding

u/Atrium41

He also never calls his dad Said he almost went a year without talking to him

u/eatmygerms

Ya but did you know his dad worked for Blizzard /j

u/SnabDedraterEdave

Thank you for actually answering the question for complete OOL-folks like me who don't even know who this clown is and what his relation is to this recent SKG movement.

u/kafaldsbylur

Indeed, but also on a longer timescale, what is one guy working alone effectively becomes a team project between guy-two-years-ago, guy-one-year-ago, guy-today, guy-one-year-from-now, etc. I

u/Taira_Mai

Answer: His actions during a WOW raid and his vitriol directed at Stop Killing Games caused a lot of other Youtubers to dig into his past. He's been caught using his phone to solve puzzles o

u/IHazMagics

Personally I think it goes deeper then that. When people say they are of a generation to a place, they say that because it connects them to a people. Him saying that connects him to a kind

u/AnticipateMe

If you take a look at *all* of his game dev category streams on twitch from the past. Every single one he does nothing. Maybe he scrolls up and down and changes some values, but I've never fo

u/SnabDedraterEdave

Thank you for actually answering the question for complete OOL-folks like me who don't even know who this clown is and what his relation is to this recent SKG movement.

u/TheSupr1

Oh, that was good!

u/ZombieJasus

That wouldn't make it any better, as he raised money for the game from Kickstarter almost a decade ago, and has sold many copies in steam early access. He owes a complete game to all the peop

u/OneTripleZero

The thing of it though, is that his advice to "just make games" *is* great advice, because you will always be better served (in an indie environment) actually doing work instead of endlessly

u/Gazboolean

At least that is a respectable position to take. He just won’t let go of it and continues to say he’s developing the game and that it’ll be released.

u/lilahking

yeah, bro has multiple children. one kid turning out to be an asshole isn't on the parents. i should know, my parents are great and i suck

u/kafaldsbylur

Indeed, but also on a longer timescale, what is one guy working alone effectively becomes a team project between guy-two-years-ago, guy-one-year-ago, guy-today, guy-one-year-from-now, etc. I

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

despite admitting it by himself in a stream, lmfao.

u/DarkflowNZ

The same way a writer should "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, but the point is you have to do it. There comes a point where no am

u/DarkflowNZ

The same way a writer should "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, but the point is you have to do it. There comes a point where no am

u/platinum1004

[Yes, as Joeyray says so himself in his AMA.](https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/3xjjbr/ama_joeyray_hall/cy58gf1/)

u/KeepSwinging

He really likes to cherry pick reality to his liking. Did the same thing by doing a collab with the roach covered trash man right after his twitch ban for racist comments by crying “we’re jus

u/LegoClaes

So brave for him to literally never talk about that too

u/DiasFlac42

It’s all been explained already, but it’s worth noting that Thor had previously derided other players that were playing Mages in similar situations and said that they could/should have done m

u/DarkflowNZ

Reminds me of the possibly apocryphal story of the con board that featured a bunch of writers including George R. R. Martin and Stephen King. GRRM says something to the effect of "I don't kno

u/kafaldsbylur

The proper way is indeed to separate the conversations from the code. You can make a generic conversation/event handler that handles picking the appropriate conversation based on the current

u/talc25

The cutscenes were fire! Warcraft 3 was phenomenal

u/pe1uca

AFAIK his name is Jason Thor Hall, so if people refer to him in any of these names I'd say it should be fine. But no, he bans people calling him Jason.

u/messick

Wonder if his dad is embarrassed his son is spreading his secret shame all over town, lol. j/k, some of my best co-workers are former Blizzard engineers.

u/TheSupr1

Oh, that was good!

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Ah, didn't know that part yet. I expect the algorithm will present it shortly.

u/platinum1004

[Yes, as Joeyray says so himself in his AMA.](https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/3xjjbr/ama_joeyray_hall/cy58gf1/)

u/Whats-his-nuts

As someone trying to pick up game creation in my free time, what did you like and not like about this message? Follow up, any people/resources you could point me to to get better, especially

u/messick

Wonder if his dad is embarrassed his son is spreading his secret shame all over town, lol. j/k, some of my best co-workers are former Blizzard engineers.

u/Mr_ToDo

Oh goodness, that sounds just awful But now that we're here, what *is* the proper way to handle conversations where there's so many slight variations? I can imagine that if it's just pieces

u/Taira_Mai

He "roached" on a raid - on stream, his party was on a very difficult map where if you die you lose your character. His actions during the raid were bad enough (despite his claims of being a

u/Jay_JWLH

I've seen videos constructively criticizing his coding. For the very few times that any VOD's he has of him actually coding, the coding was done poorly using bad practices. Then you add all

u/DarkflowNZ

The same way a writer should "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, but the point is you have to do it. There comes a point where no am

u/DiasFlac42

It’s all been explained already, but it’s worth noting that Thor had previously derided other players that were playing Mages in similar situations and said that they could/should have done m

u/aeschenkarnos

He raised that guy, so there’s some evidence.

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

despite admitting it by himself in a stream, lmfao.

u/Taira_Mai

Answer: His actions during a WOW raid and his vitriol directed at Stop Killing Games caused a lot of other Youtubers to dig into his past. He's been caught using his phone to solve puzzles o

u/RoutineCloud5993

His dad also helped South Park create Make Love Not Warcraft, then Trey and Matt thought it would be funny to make the bad guy of the episode look a little like him.

u/AnticipateMe

If you take a look at *all* of his game dev category streams on twitch from the past. Every single one he does nothing. Maybe he scrolls up and down and changes some values, but I've never fo

u/CardiologistMain7237

The guy is a narcissist. Plain and simple. He denies objective reality if it damages his ego or image. Which is sad, because when he started, people saw him as a kind of "Bob Ross of indie g

u/PewPewDesertRat

The instant he gave his take on VPNs, I knew he was a fraud. He’s just a contrarian that says whatever sounds good to him.

u/ConspicuouslyBland

No problem, If I can answer properly, I will. If you do programming, or would like to do it, some of those videos pointing out the things he does wrong, are very educational.

u/Hartastic

Totally agree with all of this and I want to be extra clear that I'm not excusing this bad implementation with what I say next. In a sense he can get away with these decisions up to a point

u/IHazMagics

Personally I think it goes deeper then that. When people say they are of a generation to a place, they say that because it connects them to a people. Him saying that connects him to a kind

u/Tamerlechatlevrai

The problem with not spending any time on heartbound is that people paid to finance the development on Kickstarter, so abandoning the project is a bad look if not possibly illegal. I don't th

u/aeschenkarnos

He raised that guy, so there’s some evidence.

u/Mr_ToDo

Oh goodness, that sounds just awful But now that we're here, what *is* the proper way to handle conversations where there's so many slight variations? I can imagine that if it's just pieces

u/IHazMagics

Personally I think it goes deeper then that. When people say they are of a generation to a place, they say that because it connects them to a people. Him saying that connects him to a kind

u/AnticipateMe

If you take a look at *all* of his game dev category streams on twitch from the past. Every single one he does nothing. Maybe he scrolls up and down and changes some values, but I've never fo

u/SonderEber

Did you know he’s a second generation Blizzard employee? Did you know he worked for Blizzard?!?!?! Guys!!! He worked for Blizzard!!!

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Ah, didn't know that part yet. I expect the algorithm will present it shortly.

u/SpadeSage

Answer: PirateSoftware never knows when to back down is the short answer. The longer answer: PirateSoftware constantly makes small comments that when analyzed in a stream environment a

u/SonderEber

Did you know he’s a second generation Blizzard employee? Did you know he worked for Blizzard?!?!?! Guys!!! He worked for Blizzard!!!

u/sterling_mallory

Two I think. He published a self-help book that he wrote in one sitting overnight that became a best seller. "Wish it, Want it, Do it." Then he published his novel "Faster Than the Speed of L

u/Gazboolean

Answer: PirateSoftware has positioned himself as a professional in the game development space. The SKG stuff caused people to scrutinise his background and found it lacking from both a develo

u/Goaliedude3919

He apparently forgot he said that, because now he claims not to be a nepo hire lol https://youtu.be/WzPAePAFl58?si=4_MY7_CZLZV3ZQGo

u/Shadow-melder

Thanks for sharing about his dad, what little I've seen second-hand of this drama I never knew what he actually did. I immediately recognized the name from the character "Joey Ray" featured

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

even if his dad seserved it, Jason himself proved time and time again that he is a compulsive liar, an imposter and adorns himself with borrowed plumes

u/sgtfoleyistheman

I watched this guy on YouTube a few years ago. Some things he said sounded eloquent but they were all pretty shallow. Then He mentioned a few times how he worked QA at Amazon Games. I've be

u/Supermunch2000

There was a video where [Joeyray Hall was talking about a thing that happened at Blizzard](https://youtu.be/gcmcmkPmW6c?t=3055) and he was going to call him Jason but corrected himself and ca

u/aeschenkarnos

He raised that guy, so there’s some evidence.

u/NopileosX2

He is one of those people where you can see the Dunning-Kruger effect in action for basically everything he does. He somehow got himself to believe he is very smart about all the things he ta

u/PointBlue

No way Lmao. Imagine sucking on blizzards tits that you invoke multiple generations.

u/TheSupr1

Oh, that was good!

u/platinum1004

You want to know what's worse? He treats his dad like absolute shit as well - [he forgot his dad's birthday, and when his dad calls him out on it, he doesn't even apologise (or even say happ

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

despite admitting it by himself in a stream, lmfao.

u/Far_Breakfast_5808

As a follow-up: as someone who had never heard of PirateSoftware before the SKG drama, and knowing very little about WoW, what happened during that WoW raid, why was that raid a big deal, and

u/kafaldsbylur

The proper way is indeed to separate the conversations from the code. You can make a generic conversation/event handler that handles picking the appropriate conversation based on the current

u/NopileosX2

He is one of those people where you can see the Dunning-Kruger effect in action for basically everything he does. He somehow got himself to believe he is very smart about all the things he ta

u/NeviBevi

Oh, but he loses his mind if you point out he is a nepotism baby

u/Gazboolean

Yeah it’s fascinating to see a very fragile ego (in the most literal sense and not judgementally) in real time. There’s definitely some part of him that truly believes if he gives an inch eve

u/talc25

The cutscenes were fire! Warcraft 3 was phenomenal

u/IHazMagics

The message is somewhat undercut and devalued when the person delivering tbat message does a lot of very public things that are against the spirit of his messages. Because im sure there aren

u/Soul-Burn

He made a nice six figures from a single stream hype train... Which is now being scrutinized for fraud. Considering his coding style, I'd ve discouraged to continue as well.

u/bionicjoey

Proud nepo baby lol

u/DarkflowNZ

Reminds me of the possibly apocryphal story of the con board that featured a bunch of writers including George R. R. Martin and Stephen King. GRRM says something to the effect of "I don't kno

u/ZombieJasus

That wouldn't make it any better, as he raised money for the game from Kickstarter almost a decade ago, and has sold many copies in steam early access. He owes a complete game to all the peop

u/scalyblue

Heartbound does have a staggering amount of content from a certain point of view, but it’s not content that player is going to ever see. It has a branching system of dialog that offers choic

u/TheOnly_Anti

Answer: The increased attention to him has drawn scrutiny over his past. This scrutiny and the anger from his opposition to SKG has made him the target of an online rage campaign.

u/sharfpang

> "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, In some cases. In others, not. The two species of writers, Plotters vs Pantsers. Plotter

u/sharfpang

> "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, In some cases. In others, not. The two species of writers, Plotters vs Pantsers. Plotter

u/messick

Wonder if his dad is embarrassed his son is spreading his secret shame all over town, lol. j/k, some of my best co-workers are former Blizzard engineers.

u/Shadow-melder

Thanks for sharing about his dad, what little I've seen second-hand of this drama I never knew what he actually did. I immediately recognized the name from the character "Joey Ray" featured

u/PorkChop007

Indeed, for many years they were the gold standard. I mean, back in 2009 the WotLK cinematic had a tremendous impact, it had a technical and narrative quality far beyond anything almost anyon

u/boat_

I know it's silly to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point, but I wouldn't blame him if he just came out and said that he makes more money from streaming and doesn't have the drive

u/aeschenkarnos

He raised that guy, so there’s some evidence.

u/CyberClawX

Coding needs structure though (specially nowadays, with many DLCs and patches). Well, it doesn't, but writing code by the skin of your pants will create enormous technical debt. You'll create

u/Pico144

We all have our online nicknames, even if he chooses one that he doesn't live up to, like Thor, I'm gonna respect that even though I despise the guy However I absolutely love the movement to

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

even if his dad seserved it, Jason himself proved time and time again that he is a compulsive liar, an imposter and adorns himself with borrowed plumes

u/CyberClawX

Coding needs structure though (specially nowadays, with many DLCs and patches). Well, it doesn't, but writing code by the skin of your pants will create enormous technical debt. You'll create

u/zeldagold

I thought he doesn't have his code open on stream, and has config files for like Minecraft and such. It seems like coding reviewers have to go hunting to find examples of his actual coding

u/XenusParadox

Not OP, but a gamedev commenting for advice. What discipline(s) would you like to explore more deeply? e.g. game design, programming, or artistic expression with these tools? If you're no

u/HibbletonFan

That’s not the brag he thinks it is. To me it sounds like, I couldn’t have gotten my job at Blizzard without my dad’s help.

u/ciaomeridian

Can we not call him Thor. Clowns name is Jason lol. Everything he says about himself is a lie.

u/sgtfoleyistheman

I watched this guy on YouTube a few years ago. Some things he said sounded eloquent but they were all pretty shallow. Then He mentioned a few times how he worked QA at Amazon Games. I've be

u/Tamerlechatlevrai

The problem with not spending any time on heartbound is that people paid to finance the development on Kickstarter, so abandoning the project is a bad look if not possibly illegal. I don't th

u/Soul-Burn

He made a nice six figures from a single stream hype train... Which is now being scrutinized for fraud. Considering his coding style, I'd ve discouraged to continue as well.

u/Hartastic

100%. One of my least proud professional moments is coming to work one Monday, looking at some code and trying to figure out what the hell the developer was doing with it and why and, check

u/lilahking

yeah, bro has multiple children. one kid turning out to be an asshole isn't on the parents. i should know, my parents are great and i suck

u/SpadeSage

Answer: PirateSoftware never knows when to back down is the short answer. The longer answer: PirateSoftware constantly makes small comments that when analyzed in a stream environment a

u/Soul-Burn

He made a nice six figures from a single stream hype train... Which is now being scrutinized for fraud. Considering his coding style, I'd ve discouraged to continue as well.

u/Soul-Burn

He made a nice six figures from a single stream hype train... Which is now being scrutinized for fraud. Considering his coding style, I'd ve discouraged to continue as well.

u/IHazMagics

The message is somewhat undercut and devalued when the person delivering tbat message does a lot of very public things that are against the spirit of his messages. Because im sure there aren

u/scalyblue

Heartbound does have a staggering amount of content from a certain point of view, but it’s not content that player is going to ever see. It has a branching system of dialog that offers choic

u/Gazboolean

I played the game and was genuinely baffled about how incomplete it was. The worst part is I enjoyed what was there, as far as the story being told, but it being so incomplete was such a wast

u/theB1ackSwan

I mean, I can say that's fair. He doesn't go by that name as far as I'm aware, and misnaming anyone is just antisocial behavior (when you do it on purpose)

u/Pyritedust

I have the same problem, I bought it in 2019 and I liked what was there, and was rather hopeful it would go on to be finished. It's one of the games that soured me on most early access titles

u/Eamonsieur

In Stephen King’s autobiography *On Writing*, he talks about how lots of fans come up to him and say they always wanted to be a writer, but when he asks them what they’ve written, none of the

u/Eilavamp

He had a decent reputation before the wow incident, mostly because the most people really knew about him were his YouTube shorts. He went from obscurity to millions of twitch views in 2 month

u/TheSupr1

Oh, that was good!

u/Whats-his-nuts

As someone trying to pick up game creation in my free time, what did you like and not like about this message? Follow up, any people/resources you could point me to to get better, especially

u/drfunkenstien014

For me, he stood out because I grew up with people like this. They’d always have to one-up you on everything, would make all sorts of excuses as to why it was never their fault, make constant

u/sterling_mallory

Two I think. He published a self-help book that he wrote in one sitting overnight that became a best seller. "Wish it, Want it, Do it." Then he published his novel "Faster Than the Speed of L

u/aeschenkarnos

He raised that guy, so there’s some evidence.

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Ah, didn't know that part yet. I expect the algorithm will present it shortly.

u/t_sarkkinen

To add some detail: apparently the game is very much like Undertale, which is why some people are calling it an Undertale clone. The code is apparently very rudimentary too. It has also taken

u/Etheo

Eh, I don't know. I'm not a fan of the guy but I wouldn't be too judgy on that. Who knows what their family relationship is like? For all we know maybe the Dad did deserve it. Or didn't, w

u/engelthefallen

To add to what the others said, before his raid went south, we trashed others players for having a raid also result in deaths listing all the ways he would have been able to save that raid if

u/Gazboolean

Something worth knowing is they were playing Hardcore WoW Classic. The classic version of the game takes a lot of time to progress and the hardcore version of the game means if you die you do

u/Etheo

Eh, I don't know. I'm not a fan of the guy but I wouldn't be too judgy on that. Who knows what their family relationship is like? For all we know maybe the Dad did deserve it. Or didn't, w

u/kafaldsbylur

The proper way is indeed to separate the conversations from the code. You can make a generic conversation/event handler that handles picking the appropriate conversation based on the current

u/Gazboolean

Answer: PirateSoftware has positioned himself as a professional in the game development space. The SKG stuff caused people to scrutinise his background and found it lacking from both a develo

u/Hartastic

Totally agree with all of this and I want to be extra clear that I'm not excusing this bad implementation with what I say next. In a sense he can get away with these decisions up to a point

u/CyberClawX

Coding needs structure though (specially nowadays, with many DLCs and patches). Well, it doesn't, but writing code by the skin of your pants will create enormous technical debt. You'll create

u/DarkflowNZ

The same way a writer should "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, but the point is you have to do it. There comes a point where no am

u/beachedwhale1945

Really ironic coming from a guy who made a short saying you need to spend more time with your grandparents before they die. Something like “If they have two years left and you call them once

u/Pico144

Mostly agreed, to clarify - heartbound is already 8 years in development, still in early access and has about 3 hours of content. Oh, and he lied last year on multiple occasions that the game

u/TeaAndS0da

His dad was also the template for the villain in Make Love Not Warcraft.

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

he also worked as a QA at blizzard, which isn't a considerably prestigious position either.

u/ConspicuouslyBland

No problem, If I can answer properly, I will. If you do programming, or would like to do it, some of those videos pointing out the things he does wrong, are very educational.

u/kafaldsbylur

The proper way is indeed to separate the conversations from the code. You can make a generic conversation/event handler that handles picking the appropriate conversation based on the current

u/kafaldsbylur

Indeed, but also on a longer timescale, what is one guy working alone effectively becomes a team project between guy-two-years-ago, guy-one-year-ago, guy-today, guy-one-year-from-now, etc. I

u/KeepSwinging

He really likes to cherry pick reality to his liking. Did the same thing by doing a collab with the roach covered trash man right after his twitch ban for racist comments by crying “we’re jus

u/Taira_Mai

Answer: His actions during a WOW raid and his vitriol directed at Stop Killing Games caused a lot of other Youtubers to dig into his past. He's been caught using his phone to solve puzzles o

u/Shadow-melder

Thanks for sharing about his dad, what little I've seen second-hand of this drama I never knew what he actually did. I immediately recognized the name from the character "Joey Ray" featured

u/zeldagold

I thought he doesn't have his code open on stream, and has config files for like Minecraft and such. It seems like coding reviewers have to go hunting to find examples of his actual coding

u/RoutineCloud5993

His dad also helped South Park create Make Love Not Warcraft, then Trey and Matt thought it would be funny to make the bad guy of the episode look a little like him.

u/Etheo

Eh, I don't know. I'm not a fan of the guy but I wouldn't be too judgy on that. Who knows what their family relationship is like? For all we know maybe the Dad did deserve it. Or didn't, w

u/SnabDedraterEdave

Thank you for actually answering the question for complete OOL-folks like me who don't even know who this clown is and what his relation is to this recent SKG movement.

u/aeschenkarnos

He raised that guy, so there’s some evidence.

u/CyberClawX

Coding needs structure though (specially nowadays, with many DLCs and patches). Well, it doesn't, but writing code by the skin of your pants will create enormous technical debt. You'll create

u/Pico144

Honestly as much as the codebase is dogshit, I don't agree with claims made by Coding Jesus that this won't ever be finished because of the codebase. It's a simple game, so while the codebase

u/zeldagold

I thought he doesn't have his code open on stream, and has config files for like Minecraft and such. It seems like coding reviewers have to go hunting to find examples of his actual coding

u/Tamerlechatlevrai

The problem with not spending any time on heartbound is that people paid to finance the development on Kickstarter, so abandoning the project is a bad look if not possibly illegal. I don't th

u/beachedwhale1945

Really ironic coming from a guy who made a short saying you need to spend more time with your grandparents before they die. Something like “If they have two years left and you call them once

u/SnabDedraterEdave

Thank you for actually answering the question for complete OOL-folks like me who don't even know who this clown is and what his relation is to this recent SKG movement.

u/aznanimedude

The first one even

u/Atrium41

He also never calls his dad Said he almost went a year without talking to him

u/kafaldsbylur

The proper way is indeed to separate the conversations from the code. You can make a generic conversation/event handler that handles picking the appropriate conversation based on the current

u/XenusParadox

Not OP, but a gamedev commenting for advice. What discipline(s) would you like to explore more deeply? e.g. game design, programming, or artistic expression with these tools? If you're no

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Ah, didn't know that part yet. I expect the algorithm will present it shortly.

u/TheOnly_Anti

Answer: The increased attention to him has drawn scrutiny over his past. This scrutiny and the anger from his opposition to SKG has made him the target of an online rage campaign.

u/platinum1004

There's no evidence Joeyray Hall was a terrible (or good) parent, so not going to speculate, as people turning out horrible isn't always evidence of bad parenting either. There is, however,

u/scalyblue

Heartbound does have a staggering amount of content from a certain point of view, but it’s not content that player is going to ever see. It has a branching system of dialog that offers choic

u/SonderEber

Did you know he’s a second generation Blizzard employee? Did you know he worked for Blizzard?!?!?! Guys!!! He worked for Blizzard!!!

u/NeviBevi

Oh, but he loses his mind if you point out he is a nepotism baby

u/zeldagold

I thought he doesn't have his code open on stream, and has config files for like Minecraft and such. It seems like coding reviewers have to go hunting to find examples of his actual coding

u/Pico144

We all have our online nicknames, even if he chooses one that he doesn't live up to, like Thor, I'm gonna respect that even though I despise the guy However I absolutely love the movement to

u/drfunkenstien014

For me, he stood out because I grew up with people like this. They’d always have to one-up you on everything, would make all sorts of excuses as to why it was never their fault, make constant

u/Tamerlechatlevrai

The problem with not spending any time on heartbound is that people paid to finance the development on Kickstarter, so abandoning the project is a bad look if not possibly illegal. I don't th

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

he also worked as a QA at blizzard, which isn't a considerably prestigious position either.

u/iTwango

His "just make games" and his advice on being/becoming a programmer/dev always rubbed me the wrong way, tbh. As someone who has legit education in computer sciences, it seemed either disingen

u/sgtfoleyistheman

I watched this guy on YouTube a few years ago. Some things he said sounded eloquent but they were all pretty shallow. Then He mentioned a few times how he worked QA at Amazon Games. I've be

u/Gazboolean

Yeah it’s fascinating to see a very fragile ego (in the most literal sense and not judgementally) in real time. There’s definitely some part of him that truly believes if he gives an inch eve

u/Atrium41

He also never calls his dad Said he almost went a year without talking to him

u/iTwango

His "just make games" and his advice on being/becoming a programmer/dev always rubbed me the wrong way, tbh. As someone who has legit education in computer sciences, it seemed either disingen

u/Far_Breakfast_5808

As a follow-up: as someone who had never heard of PirateSoftware before the SKG drama, and knowing very little about WoW, what happened during that WoW raid, why was that raid a big deal, and

u/Certesis

Answer: He's made a lot of contradictory statements, like saying that [he never talks about blizzard,](https://youtu.be/Y03L5KlXDLg) and saying that [he isn't a "nepo baby" and then describin

u/sgtfoleyistheman

I watched this guy on YouTube a few years ago. Some things he said sounded eloquent but they were all pretty shallow. Then He mentioned a few times how he worked QA at Amazon Games. I've be

u/RoutineCloud5993

His dad also helped South Park create Make Love Not Warcraft, then Trey and Matt thought it would be funny to make the bad guy of the episode look a little like him.

u/IHazMagics

The message is somewhat undercut and devalued when the person delivering tbat message does a lot of very public things that are against the spirit of his messages. Because im sure there aren

u/TheOnly_Anti

Answer: The increased attention to him has drawn scrutiny over his past. This scrutiny and the anger from his opposition to SKG has made him the target of an online rage campaign.

u/eatmygerms

Ya but did you know his dad worked for Blizzard /j

u/Gazboolean

At least that is a respectable position to take. He just won’t let go of it and continues to say he’s developing the game and that it’ll be released.

u/HibbletonFan

That’s not the brag he thinks it is. To me it sounds like, I couldn’t have gotten my job at Blizzard without my dad’s help.

u/Diet-Still

Oh a YouTuber influencer in tech/hacking/development that have 0 skill but talk a lot? *shocked face*

u/theB1ackSwan

I mean, I can say that's fair. He doesn't go by that name as far as I'm aware, and misnaming anyone is just antisocial behavior (when you do it on purpose)

u/SonderEber

The latest drama is apparently him paying one of his discord mods to buy bits on Twitch for his (Pirate) stream. Basically it has been claimed he manufactured a Twitch Hype Train.

u/Supermunch2000

There was a video where [Joeyray Hall was talking about a thing that happened at Blizzard](https://youtu.be/gcmcmkPmW6c?t=3055) and he was going to call him Jason but corrected himself and ca

u/sterling_mallory

Two I think. He published a self-help book that he wrote in one sitting overnight that became a best seller. "Wish it, Want it, Do it." Then he published his novel "Faster Than the Speed of L

u/ciaomeridian

Can we not call him Thor. Clowns name is Jason lol. Everything he says about himself is a lie.

u/Pico144

Mostly agreed, to clarify - heartbound is already 8 years in development, still in early access and has about 3 hours of content. Oh, and he lied last year on multiple occasions that the game

u/beachedwhale1945

Really ironic coming from a guy who made a short saying you need to spend more time with your grandparents before they die. Something like “If they have two years left and you call them once

u/Pyritedust

I have the same problem, I bought it in 2019 and I liked what was there, and was rather hopeful it would go on to be finished. It's one of the games that soured me on most early access titles

u/ThatGenericName2

It's funny to me that he absolutely acknowledges that the first time he was hired he only got the job because he was a nepo baby, but then tries to claim that the second time he was hired was

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Answer: he has been skyrocketing in popularity since 2023 or so. Acting like he’s this very wise, all knowing, very experienced developer, not in a pleasant way. Then he opposed SKG in such

u/DarkflowNZ

Reminds me of the possibly apocryphal story of the con board that featured a bunch of writers including George R. R. Martin and Stephen King. GRRM says something to the effect of "I don't kno

u/IHazMagics

Personally I think it goes deeper then that. When people say they are of a generation to a place, they say that because it connects them to a people. Him saying that connects him to a kind

u/aznanimedude

The first one even

u/IHazMagics

The message is somewhat undercut and devalued when the person delivering tbat message does a lot of very public things that are against the spirit of his messages. Because im sure there aren

u/OneTripleZero

The thing of it though, is that his advice to "just make games" *is* great advice, because you will always be better served (in an indie environment) actually doing work instead of endlessly

u/scalyblue

Heartbound does have a staggering amount of content from a certain point of view, but it’s not content that player is going to ever see. It has a branching system of dialog that offers choic

u/DarkflowNZ

The same way a writer should "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, but the point is you have to do it. There comes a point where no am

u/Atrium41

He also never calls his dad Said he almost went a year without talking to him

u/zeldagold

I thought he doesn't have his code open on stream, and has config files for like Minecraft and such. It seems like coding reviewers have to go hunting to find examples of his actual coding

u/its_an_armoire

Didn't he say he worked for the Department of Energy doing cyber security or something? Was that all BS?

u/Mr_ToDo

Oh goodness, that sounds just awful But now that we're here, what *is* the proper way to handle conversations where there's so many slight variations? I can imagine that if it's just pieces

u/theB1ackSwan

I mean, I can say that's fair. He doesn't go by that name as far as I'm aware, and misnaming anyone is just antisocial behavior (when you do it on purpose)

u/IHazMagics

The message is somewhat undercut and devalued when the person delivering tbat message does a lot of very public things that are against the spirit of his messages. Because im sure there aren

u/Eamonsieur

In Stephen King’s autobiography *On Writing*, he talks about how lots of fans come up to him and say they always wanted to be a writer, but when he asks them what they’ve written, none of the

u/OneTripleZero

The thing of it though, is that his advice to "just make games" *is* great advice, because you will always be better served (in an indie environment) actually doing work instead of endlessly

u/iTwango

His "just make games" and his advice on being/becoming a programmer/dev always rubbed me the wrong way, tbh. As someone who has legit education in computer sciences, it seemed either disingen

u/Jay_JWLH

Kind of reminds me of Brian from Family Guy. Stewie is always giving him crap, because Brian constantly sells himself as an avid book reader with high intelligence that is writing his own nov

u/PointBlue

No way Lmao. Imagine sucking on blizzards tits that you invoke multiple generations.

u/HibbletonFan

That’s not the brag he thinks it is. To me it sounds like, I couldn’t have gotten my job at Blizzard without my dad’s help.

u/engelthefallen

To add to what the others said, before his raid went south, we trashed others players for having a raid also result in deaths listing all the ways he would have been able to save that raid if

u/drfunkenstien014

For me, he stood out because I grew up with people like this. They’d always have to one-up you on everything, would make all sorts of excuses as to why it was never their fault, make constant

u/theBoyWonder_

His ego is probably what is holding him back from doing that. He probably wants to still be able to tout himself as a game dev but people will hold his failure to finish Heartbound over his h

u/talc25

The cutscenes were fire! Warcraft 3 was phenomenal

u/pe1uca

AFAIK his name is Jason Thor Hall, so if people refer to him in any of these names I'd say it should be fine. But no, he bans people calling him Jason.

u/Etheo

Eh, I don't know. I'm not a fan of the guy but I wouldn't be too judgy on that. Who knows what their family relationship is like? For all we know maybe the Dad did deserve it. Or didn't, w

u/Taira_Mai

He "roached" on a raid - on stream, his party was on a very difficult map where if you die you lose your character. His actions during the raid were bad enough (despite his claims of being a

u/engelthefallen

To add to what the others said, before his raid went south, we trashed others players for having a raid also result in deaths listing all the ways he would have been able to save that raid if

u/KeepSwinging

He really likes to cherry pick reality to his liking. Did the same thing by doing a collab with the roach covered trash man right after his twitch ban for racist comments by crying “we’re jus

u/SonderEber

No no no, he’s a second gen employee! /s He actually has said he’s a nepo baby.

u/bionicjoey

Proud nepo baby lol

u/SonderEber

No no no, he’s a second gen employee! /s He actually has said he’s a nepo baby.

u/IHazMagics

The message is somewhat undercut and devalued when the person delivering tbat message does a lot of very public things that are against the spirit of his messages. Because im sure there aren

u/platinum1004

You want to know what's worse? He treats his dad like absolute shit as well - [he forgot his dad's birthday, and when his dad calls him out on it, he doesn't even apologise (or even say happ

u/HibbletonFan

That’s not the brag he thinks it is. To me it sounds like, I couldn’t have gotten my job at Blizzard without my dad’s help.

u/Jay_JWLH

I've seen videos constructively criticizing his coding. For the very few times that any VOD's he has of him actually coding, the coding was done poorly using bad practices. Then you add all

u/Supermunch2000

There was a video where [Joeyray Hall was talking about a thing that happened at Blizzard](https://youtu.be/gcmcmkPmW6c?t=3055) and he was going to call him Jason but corrected himself and ca

u/iTwango

His "just make games" and his advice on being/becoming a programmer/dev always rubbed me the wrong way, tbh. As someone who has legit education in computer sciences, it seemed either disingen

u/kafaldsbylur

The proper way is indeed to separate the conversations from the code. You can make a generic conversation/event handler that handles picking the appropriate conversation based on the current

u/bionicjoey

Proud nepo baby lol

u/Gazboolean

Yeah it’s fascinating to see a very fragile ego (in the most literal sense and not judgementally) in real time. There’s definitely some part of him that truly believes if he gives an inch eve

u/KeepSwinging

He really likes to cherry pick reality to his liking. Did the same thing by doing a collab with the roach covered trash man right after his twitch ban for racist comments by crying “we’re jus

u/Diet-Still

Oh a YouTuber influencer in tech/hacking/development that have 0 skill but talk a lot? *shocked face*

u/Eamonsieur

In Stephen King’s autobiography *On Writing*, he talks about how lots of fans come up to him and say they always wanted to be a writer, but when he asks them what they’ve written, none of the

u/Gazboolean

Something worth knowing is they were playing Hardcore WoW Classic. The classic version of the game takes a lot of time to progress and the hardcore version of the game means if you die you do

u/talc25

The cutscenes were fire! Warcraft 3 was phenomenal

u/engelthefallen

To add to what the others said, before his raid went south, we trashed others players for having a raid also result in deaths listing all the ways he would have been able to save that raid if

u/SonderEber

No no no, he’s a second gen employee! /s He actually has said he’s a nepo baby.

u/Prasiatko

Isn't that known as a nepo hire?

u/Gazboolean

Answer: PirateSoftware has positioned himself as a professional in the game development space. The SKG stuff caused people to scrutinise his background and found it lacking from both a develo

u/OneTripleZero

The thing of it though, is that his advice to "just make games" *is* great advice, because you will always be better served (in an indie environment) actually doing work instead of endlessly

u/Prasiatko

Isn't that known as a nepo hire?

u/Goaliedude3919

He apparently forgot he said that, because now he claims not to be a nepo hire lol https://youtu.be/WzPAePAFl58?si=4_MY7_CZLZV3ZQGo

u/zeldagold

I thought he doesn't have his code open on stream, and has config files for like Minecraft and such. It seems like coding reviewers have to go hunting to find examples of his actual coding

u/iTwango

His "just make games" and his advice on being/becoming a programmer/dev always rubbed me the wrong way, tbh. As someone who has legit education in computer sciences, it seemed either disingen

u/RoutineCloud5993

His dad also helped South Park create Make Love Not Warcraft, then Trey and Matt thought it would be funny to make the bad guy of the episode look a little like him.

u/DarkflowNZ

Reminds me of the possibly apocryphal story of the con board that featured a bunch of writers including George R. R. Martin and Stephen King. GRRM says something to the effect of "I don't kno

u/Shadow-melder

Thanks for sharing about his dad, what little I've seen second-hand of this drama I never knew what he actually did. I immediately recognized the name from the character "Joey Ray" featured

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

even if his dad seserved it, Jason himself proved time and time again that he is a compulsive liar, an imposter and adorns himself with borrowed plumes

u/Diet-Still

Oh a YouTuber influencer in tech/hacking/development that have 0 skill but talk a lot? *shocked face*

u/aznanimedude

The first one even

u/lilahking

yeah, bro has multiple children. one kid turning out to be an asshole isn't on the parents. i should know, my parents are great and i suck

u/ciaomeridian

Can we not call him Thor. Clowns name is Jason lol. Everything he says about himself is a lie.

u/Tamerlechatlevrai

The problem with not spending any time on heartbound is that people paid to finance the development on Kickstarter, so abandoning the project is a bad look if not possibly illegal. I don't th

u/CyberClawX

Coding needs structure though (specially nowadays, with many DLCs and patches). Well, it doesn't, but writing code by the skin of your pants will create enormous technical debt. You'll create

u/platinum1004

There's no evidence Joeyray Hall was a terrible (or good) parent, so not going to speculate, as people turning out horrible isn't always evidence of bad parenting either. There is, however,

u/OneTripleZero

The thing of it though, is that his advice to "just make games" *is* great advice, because you will always be better served (in an indie environment) actually doing work instead of endlessly

u/ciaomeridian

Can we not call him Thor. Clowns name is Jason lol. Everything he says about himself is a lie.

u/Pyritedust

I have the same problem, I bought it in 2019 and I liked what was there, and was rather hopeful it would go on to be finished. It's one of the games that soured me on most early access titles

u/TheOnly_Anti

Answer: The increased attention to him has drawn scrutiny over his past. This scrutiny and the anger from his opposition to SKG has made him the target of an online rage campaign.

u/sterling_mallory

Two I think. He published a self-help book that he wrote in one sitting overnight that became a best seller. "Wish it, Want it, Do it." Then he published his novel "Faster Than the Speed of L

u/PewPewDesertRat

The instant he gave his take on VPNs, I knew he was a fraud. He’s just a contrarian that says whatever sounds good to him.

u/Etheo

Eh, I don't know. I'm not a fan of the guy but I wouldn't be too judgy on that. Who knows what their family relationship is like? For all we know maybe the Dad did deserve it. Or didn't, w

u/SpadeSage

Answer: PirateSoftware never knows when to back down is the short answer. The longer answer: PirateSoftware constantly makes small comments that when analyzed in a stream environment a

u/SnabDedraterEdave

Thank you for actually answering the question for complete OOL-folks like me who don't even know who this clown is and what his relation is to this recent SKG movement.

u/SonderEber

Did you know he’s a second generation Blizzard employee? Did you know he worked for Blizzard?!?!?! Guys!!! He worked for Blizzard!!!

u/t_sarkkinen

To add some detail: apparently the game is very much like Undertale, which is why some people are calling it an Undertale clone. The code is apparently very rudimentary too. It has also taken

u/theB1ackSwan

I mean, I can say that's fair. He doesn't go by that name as far as I'm aware, and misnaming anyone is just antisocial behavior (when you do it on purpose)

u/SpadeSage

Answer: PirateSoftware never knows when to back down is the short answer. The longer answer: PirateSoftware constantly makes small comments that when analyzed in a stream environment a

u/sgtfoleyistheman

I watched this guy on YouTube a few years ago. Some things he said sounded eloquent but they were all pretty shallow. Then He mentioned a few times how he worked QA at Amazon Games. I've be

u/Eamonsieur

In Stephen King’s autobiography *On Writing*, he talks about how lots of fans come up to him and say they always wanted to be a writer, but when he asks them what they’ve written, none of the

u/CyberClawX

Coding needs structure though (specially nowadays, with many DLCs and patches). Well, it doesn't, but writing code by the skin of your pants will create enormous technical debt. You'll create

u/Gazboolean

I played the game and was genuinely baffled about how incomplete it was. The worst part is I enjoyed what was there, as far as the story being told, but it being so incomplete was such a wast

u/PewPewDesertRat

The instant he gave his take on VPNs, I knew he was a fraud. He’s just a contrarian that says whatever sounds good to him.

u/Diet-Still

Oh a YouTuber influencer in tech/hacking/development that have 0 skill but talk a lot? *shocked face*

u/PewPewDesertRat

The instant he gave his take on VPNs, I knew he was a fraud. He’s just a contrarian that says whatever sounds good to him.

u/Jay_JWLH

Kind of reminds me of Brian from Family Guy. Stewie is always giving him crap, because Brian constantly sells himself as an avid book reader with high intelligence that is writing his own nov

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

even if his dad seserved it, Jason himself proved time and time again that he is a compulsive liar, an imposter and adorns himself with borrowed plumes

u/kafaldsbylur

The proper way is indeed to separate the conversations from the code. You can make a generic conversation/event handler that handles picking the appropriate conversation based on the current

u/LegoClaes

So brave for him to literally never talk about that too

u/Pico144

We all have our online nicknames, even if he chooses one that he doesn't live up to, like Thor, I'm gonna respect that even though I despise the guy However I absolutely love the movement to

u/platinum1004

You want to know what's worse? He treats his dad like absolute shit as well - [he forgot his dad's birthday, and when his dad calls him out on it, he doesn't even apologise (or even say happ

u/Gazboolean

Something worth knowing is they were playing Hardcore WoW Classic. The classic version of the game takes a lot of time to progress and the hardcore version of the game means if you die you do

u/CyberClawX

Coding needs structure though (specially nowadays, with many DLCs and patches). Well, it doesn't, but writing code by the skin of your pants will create enormous technical debt. You'll create

u/Whats-his-nuts

As someone trying to pick up game creation in my free time, what did you like and not like about this message? Follow up, any people/resources you could point me to to get better, especially

u/Eilavamp

He had a decent reputation before the wow incident, mostly because the most people really knew about him were his YouTube shorts. He went from obscurity to millions of twitch views in 2 month

u/SnabDedraterEdave

Thank you for actually answering the question for complete OOL-folks like me who don't even know who this clown is and what his relation is to this recent SKG movement.

u/NopileosX2

He is one of those people where you can see the Dunning-Kruger effect in action for basically everything he does. He somehow got himself to believe he is very smart about all the things he ta

u/ciaomeridian

Can we not call him Thor. Clowns name is Jason lol. Everything he says about himself is a lie.

u/TheSupr1

Oh, that was good!

u/Diet-Still

Oh a YouTuber influencer in tech/hacking/development that have 0 skill but talk a lot? *shocked face*

u/Gazboolean

Answer: PirateSoftware has positioned himself as a professional in the game development space. The SKG stuff caused people to scrutinise his background and found it lacking from both a develo

u/Jay_JWLH

Kind of reminds me of Brian from Family Guy. Stewie is always giving him crap, because Brian constantly sells himself as an avid book reader with high intelligence that is writing his own nov

u/Drithyin

Hacking isn’t coding, first off. Different skill set entirely. The rest is spot on.

u/Taira_Mai

He "roached" on a raid - on stream, his party was on a very difficult map where if you die you lose your character. His actions during the raid were bad enough (despite his claims of being a

u/Gazboolean

Something worth knowing is they were playing Hardcore WoW Classic. The classic version of the game takes a lot of time to progress and the hardcore version of the game means if you die you do

u/Gazboolean

Answer: PirateSoftware has positioned himself as a professional in the game development space. The SKG stuff caused people to scrutinise his background and found it lacking from both a develo

u/Hartastic

Totally agree with all of this and I want to be extra clear that I'm not excusing this bad implementation with what I say next. In a sense he can get away with these decisions up to a point

u/JacksUtterFailure

I agree with you BUT pirate software (though indie) claims to have 20 years in the game dev industry. Most people took that to mean that he was knowledgeable in the space when in reality it c

u/ConspicuouslyBland

No problem, If I can answer properly, I will. If you do programming, or would like to do it, some of those videos pointing out the things he does wrong, are very educational.

u/sterling_mallory

Two I think. He published a self-help book that he wrote in one sitting overnight that became a best seller. "Wish it, Want it, Do it." Then he published his novel "Faster Than the Speed of L

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

he also worked as a QA at blizzard, which isn't a considerably prestigious position either.

u/PorkChop007

Indeed, for many years they were the gold standard. I mean, back in 2009 the WotLK cinematic had a tremendous impact, it had a technical and narrative quality far beyond anything almost anyon

u/platinum1004

There's no evidence Joeyray Hall was a terrible (or good) parent, so not going to speculate, as people turning out horrible isn't always evidence of bad parenting either. There is, however,

u/Taira_Mai

He "roached" on a raid - on stream, his party was on a very difficult map where if you die you lose your character. His actions during the raid were bad enough (despite his claims of being a

u/iTwango

His "just make games" and his advice on being/becoming a programmer/dev always rubbed me the wrong way, tbh. As someone who has legit education in computer sciences, it seemed either disingen

u/SonderEber

Did you know he’s a second generation Blizzard employee? Did you know he worked for Blizzard?!?!?! Guys!!! He worked for Blizzard!!!

u/Hartastic

Totally agree with all of this and I want to be extra clear that I'm not excusing this bad implementation with what I say next. In a sense he can get away with these decisions up to a point

u/nikelaos117

His dad called him out on stream that he didn't even say happy birthday to him. And the last text he sent him was saying happy birthday to him last year. So not only did he not reach out to h

u/PorkChop007

Indeed, for many years they were the gold standard. I mean, back in 2009 the WotLK cinematic had a tremendous impact, it had a technical and narrative quality far beyond anything almost anyon

u/ThatGenericName2

It's funny to me that he absolutely acknowledges that the first time he was hired he only got the job because he was a nepo baby, but then tries to claim that the second time he was hired was

u/sgtfoleyistheman

I watched this guy on YouTube a few years ago. Some things he said sounded eloquent but they were all pretty shallow. Then He mentioned a few times how he worked QA at Amazon Games. I've be

u/Supermunch2000

There was a video where [Joeyray Hall was talking about a thing that happened at Blizzard](https://youtu.be/gcmcmkPmW6c?t=3055) and he was going to call him Jason but corrected himself and ca

u/DiasFlac42

It’s all been explained already, but it’s worth noting that Thor had previously derided other players that were playing Mages in similar situations and said that they could/should have done m

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

despite admitting it by himself in a stream, lmfao.

u/Gazboolean

I played the game and was genuinely baffled about how incomplete it was. The worst part is I enjoyed what was there, as far as the story being told, but it being so incomplete was such a wast

u/IHazMagics

The message is somewhat undercut and devalued when the person delivering tbat message does a lot of very public things that are against the spirit of his messages. Because im sure there aren

u/RoutineCloud5993

His dad also helped South Park create Make Love Not Warcraft, then Trey and Matt thought it would be funny to make the bad guy of the episode look a little like him.

u/talc25

The cutscenes were fire! Warcraft 3 was phenomenal

u/engelthefallen

To add to what the others said, before his raid went south, we trashed others players for having a raid also result in deaths listing all the ways he would have been able to save that raid if

u/Hartastic

100%. One of my least proud professional moments is coming to work one Monday, looking at some code and trying to figure out what the hell the developer was doing with it and why and, check

u/DiasFlac42

It’s all been explained already, but it’s worth noting that Thor had previously derided other players that were playing Mages in similar situations and said that they could/should have done m

u/SonderEber

The latest drama is apparently him paying one of his discord mods to buy bits on Twitch for his (Pirate) stream. Basically it has been claimed he manufactured a Twitch Hype Train.

u/RoutineCloud5993

His dad also helped South Park create Make Love Not Warcraft, then Trey and Matt thought it would be funny to make the bad guy of the episode look a little like him.

u/Supermunch2000

There was a video where [Joeyray Hall was talking about a thing that happened at Blizzard](https://youtu.be/gcmcmkPmW6c?t=3055) and he was going to call him Jason but corrected himself and ca

u/Eamonsieur

In Stephen King’s autobiography *On Writing*, he talks about how lots of fans come up to him and say they always wanted to be a writer, but when he asks them what they’ve written, none of the

u/IHazMagics

Personally I think it goes deeper then that. When people say they are of a generation to a place, they say that because it connects them to a people. Him saying that connects him to a kind

u/pe1uca

AFAIK his name is Jason Thor Hall, so if people refer to him in any of these names I'd say it should be fine. But no, he bans people calling him Jason.

u/Jay_JWLH

I've seen videos constructively criticizing his coding. For the very few times that any VOD's he has of him actually coding, the coding was done poorly using bad practices. Then you add all

u/talc25

The cutscenes were fire! Warcraft 3 was phenomenal

u/Hartastic

100%. One of my least proud professional moments is coming to work one Monday, looking at some code and trying to figure out what the hell the developer was doing with it and why and, check

u/XenusParadox

Not OP, but a gamedev commenting for advice. What discipline(s) would you like to explore more deeply? e.g. game design, programming, or artistic expression with these tools? If you're no

u/platinum1004

You want to know what's worse? He treats his dad like absolute shit as well - [he forgot his dad's birthday, and when his dad calls him out on it, he doesn't even apologise (or even say happ

u/OneTripleZero

The thing of it though, is that his advice to "just make games" *is* great advice, because you will always be better served (in an indie environment) actually doing work instead of endlessly

u/Hartastic

Totally agree with all of this and I want to be extra clear that I'm not excusing this bad implementation with what I say next. In a sense he can get away with these decisions up to a point

u/scalyblue

Heartbound does have a staggering amount of content from a certain point of view, but it’s not content that player is going to ever see. It has a branching system of dialog that offers choic

u/SonderEber

Did you know he’s a second generation Blizzard employee? Did you know he worked for Blizzard?!?!?! Guys!!! He worked for Blizzard!!!

u/AloneAddiction

His *dad* deserves every bit of praise coming to him because his cinematic abilities are excellent. I'd even go so far as to say Blizzard cinematics were the best in the game industry.

u/PointBlue

No way Lmao. Imagine sucking on blizzards tits that you invoke multiple generations.

u/iTwango

His "just make games" and his advice on being/becoming a programmer/dev always rubbed me the wrong way, tbh. As someone who has legit education in computer sciences, it seemed either disingen

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

he also worked as a QA at blizzard, which isn't a considerably prestigious position either.

u/Whats-his-nuts

As someone trying to pick up game creation in my free time, what did you like and not like about this message? Follow up, any people/resources you could point me to to get better, especially

u/Gazboolean

Answer: PirateSoftware has positioned himself as a professional in the game development space. The SKG stuff caused people to scrutinise his background and found it lacking from both a develo

u/sharfpang

> "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, In some cases. In others, not. The two species of writers, Plotters vs Pantsers. Plotter

u/ConspicuouslyBland

No problem, If I can answer properly, I will. If you do programming, or would like to do it, some of those videos pointing out the things he does wrong, are very educational.

u/ThatGenericName2

It's funny to me that he absolutely acknowledges that the first time he was hired he only got the job because he was a nepo baby, but then tries to claim that the second time he was hired was

u/SonderEber

No no no, he’s a second gen employee! /s He actually has said he’s a nepo baby.

u/Hartastic

100%. One of my least proud professional moments is coming to work one Monday, looking at some code and trying to figure out what the hell the developer was doing with it and why and, check

u/Shadow-melder

Thanks for sharing about his dad, what little I've seen second-hand of this drama I never knew what he actually did. I immediately recognized the name from the character "Joey Ray" featured

u/theBoyWonder_

His ego is probably what is holding him back from doing that. He probably wants to still be able to tout himself as a game dev but people will hold his failure to finish Heartbound over his h

u/Pico144

Mostly agreed, to clarify - heartbound is already 8 years in development, still in early access and has about 3 hours of content. Oh, and he lied last year on multiple occasions that the game

u/SnabDedraterEdave

Thank you for actually answering the question for complete OOL-folks like me who don't even know who this clown is and what his relation is to this recent SKG movement.

u/sterling_mallory

Two I think. He published a self-help book that he wrote in one sitting overnight that became a best seller. "Wish it, Want it, Do it." Then he published his novel "Faster Than the Speed of L

u/SonderEber

No no no, he’s a second gen employee! /s He actually has said he’s a nepo baby.

u/Jay_JWLH

Kind of reminds me of Brian from Family Guy. Stewie is always giving him crap, because Brian constantly sells himself as an avid book reader with high intelligence that is writing his own nov

u/drfunkenstien014

For me, he stood out because I grew up with people like this. They’d always have to one-up you on everything, would make all sorts of excuses as to why it was never their fault, make constant

u/Far_Breakfast_5808

As a follow-up: as someone who had never heard of PirateSoftware before the SKG drama, and knowing very little about WoW, what happened during that WoW raid, why was that raid a big deal, and

u/ThatGenericName2

It's funny to me that he absolutely acknowledges that the first time he was hired he only got the job because he was a nepo baby, but then tries to claim that the second time he was hired was

u/beachedwhale1945

Really ironic coming from a guy who made a short saying you need to spend more time with your grandparents before they die. Something like “If they have two years left and you call them once

u/Atrium41

He also never calls his dad Said he almost went a year without talking to him

u/project2501c

that explains who stole the breast milk.

u/sharfpang

> "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, In some cases. In others, not. The two species of writers, Plotters vs Pantsers. Plotter

u/Soul-Burn

He made a nice six figures from a single stream hype train... Which is now being scrutinized for fraud. Considering his coding style, I'd ve discouraged to continue as well.

u/Gazboolean

Yeah it’s fascinating to see a very fragile ego (in the most literal sense and not judgementally) in real time. There’s definitely some part of him that truly believes if he gives an inch eve

u/messick

Wonder if his dad is embarrassed his son is spreading his secret shame all over town, lol. j/k, some of my best co-workers are former Blizzard engineers.

u/PointBlue

No way Lmao. Imagine sucking on blizzards tits that you invoke multiple generations.

u/Shadow-melder

Thanks for sharing about his dad, what little I've seen second-hand of this drama I never knew what he actually did. I immediately recognized the name from the character "Joey Ray" featured

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Answer: he has been skyrocketing in popularity since 2023 or so. Acting like he’s this very wise, all knowing, very experienced developer, not in a pleasant way. Then he opposed SKG in such

u/Mr_ToDo

Oh goodness, that sounds just awful But now that we're here, what *is* the proper way to handle conversations where there's so many slight variations? I can imagine that if it's just pieces

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Ah, didn't know that part yet. I expect the algorithm will present it shortly.

u/Prasiatko

Isn't that known as a nepo hire?

u/drfunkenstien014

For me, he stood out because I grew up with people like this. They’d always have to one-up you on everything, would make all sorts of excuses as to why it was never their fault, make constant

u/theB1ackSwan

I mean, I can say that's fair. He doesn't go by that name as far as I'm aware, and misnaming anyone is just antisocial behavior (when you do it on purpose)

u/PorkChop007

Indeed, for many years they were the gold standard. I mean, back in 2009 the WotLK cinematic had a tremendous impact, it had a technical and narrative quality far beyond anything almost anyon

u/eatmygerms

Ya but did you know his dad worked for Blizzard /j

u/Hartastic

Totally agree with all of this and I want to be extra clear that I'm not excusing this bad implementation with what I say next. In a sense he can get away with these decisions up to a point

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Answer: he has been skyrocketing in popularity since 2023 or so. Acting like he’s this very wise, all knowing, very experienced developer, not in a pleasant way. Then he opposed SKG in such

u/NopileosX2

He is one of those people where you can see the Dunning-Kruger effect in action for basically everything he does. He somehow got himself to believe he is very smart about all the things he ta

u/Diet-Still

Oh a YouTuber influencer in tech/hacking/development that have 0 skill but talk a lot? *shocked face*

u/Taira_Mai

He "roached" on a raid - on stream, his party was on a very difficult map where if you die you lose your character. His actions during the raid were bad enough (despite his claims of being a

u/sgtfoleyistheman

I watched this guy on YouTube a few years ago. Some things he said sounded eloquent but they were all pretty shallow. Then He mentioned a few times how he worked QA at Amazon Games. I've be

u/project2501c

that explains who stole the breast milk.

u/DiasFlac42

It’s all been explained already, but it’s worth noting that Thor had previously derided other players that were playing Mages in similar situations and said that they could/should have done m

u/Eamonsieur

In Stephen King’s autobiography *On Writing*, he talks about how lots of fans come up to him and say they always wanted to be a writer, but when he asks them what they’ve written, none of the

u/XenusParadox

Not OP, but a gamedev commenting for advice. What discipline(s) would you like to explore more deeply? e.g. game design, programming, or artistic expression with these tools? If you're no

u/Taira_Mai

Answer: His actions during a WOW raid and his vitriol directed at Stop Killing Games caused a lot of other Youtubers to dig into his past. He's been caught using his phone to solve puzzles o

u/KeepSwinging

He really likes to cherry pick reality to his liking. Did the same thing by doing a collab with the roach covered trash man right after his twitch ban for racist comments by crying “we’re jus

u/CyberClawX

Coding needs structure though (specially nowadays, with many DLCs and patches). Well, it doesn't, but writing code by the skin of your pants will create enormous technical debt. You'll create

u/LegoClaes

So brave for him to literally never talk about that too

u/kafaldsbylur

Indeed, but also on a longer timescale, what is one guy working alone effectively becomes a team project between guy-two-years-ago, guy-one-year-ago, guy-today, guy-one-year-from-now, etc. I

u/OneTripleZero

The thing of it though, is that his advice to "just make games" *is* great advice, because you will always be better served (in an indie environment) actually doing work instead of endlessly

u/HibbletonFan

That’s not the brag he thinks it is. To me it sounds like, I couldn’t have gotten my job at Blizzard without my dad’s help.

u/TeaAndS0da

His dad was also the template for the villain in Make Love Not Warcraft.

u/HibbletonFan

That’s not the brag he thinks it is. To me it sounds like, I couldn’t have gotten my job at Blizzard without my dad’s help.

u/Atrium41

He also never calls his dad Said he almost went a year without talking to him

u/project2501c

The milk?

u/platinum1004

You want to know what's worse? He treats his dad like absolute shit as well - [he forgot his dad's birthday, and when his dad calls him out on it, he doesn't even apologise (or even say happ

u/Eilavamp

He had a decent reputation before the wow incident, mostly because the most people really knew about him were his YouTube shorts. He went from obscurity to millions of twitch views in 2 month

u/Shadow-melder

Thanks for sharing about his dad, what little I've seen second-hand of this drama I never knew what he actually did. I immediately recognized the name from the character "Joey Ray" featured

u/Gazboolean

Yeah it’s fascinating to see a very fragile ego (in the most literal sense and not judgementally) in real time. There’s definitely some part of him that truly believes if he gives an inch eve

u/t_sarkkinen

To add some detail: apparently the game is very much like Undertale, which is why some people are calling it an Undertale clone. The code is apparently very rudimentary too. It has also taken

u/LegoClaes

So brave for him to literally never talk about that too

u/SonderEber

The latest drama is apparently him paying one of his discord mods to buy bits on Twitch for his (Pirate) stream. Basically it has been claimed he manufactured a Twitch Hype Train.

u/KeepSwinging

He really likes to cherry pick reality to his liking. Did the same thing by doing a collab with the roach covered trash man right after his twitch ban for racist comments by crying “we’re jus

u/Mr_ToDo

Oh goodness, that sounds just awful But now that we're here, what *is* the proper way to handle conversations where there's so many slight variations? I can imagine that if it's just pieces

u/LegoClaes

So brave for him to literally never talk about that too

u/CyberClawX

Coding needs structure though (specially nowadays, with many DLCs and patches). Well, it doesn't, but writing code by the skin of your pants will create enormous technical debt. You'll create

u/Gazboolean

Something worth knowing is they were playing Hardcore WoW Classic. The classic version of the game takes a lot of time to progress and the hardcore version of the game means if you die you do

u/Jay_JWLH

Kind of reminds me of Brian from Family Guy. Stewie is always giving him crap, because Brian constantly sells himself as an avid book reader with high intelligence that is writing his own nov

u/iTwango

His "just make games" and his advice on being/becoming a programmer/dev always rubbed me the wrong way, tbh. As someone who has legit education in computer sciences, it seemed either disingen

u/SonderEber

The latest drama is apparently him paying one of his discord mods to buy bits on Twitch for his (Pirate) stream. Basically it has been claimed he manufactured a Twitch Hype Train.

u/Gazboolean

Answer: PirateSoftware has positioned himself as a professional in the game development space. The SKG stuff caused people to scrutinise his background and found it lacking from both a develo

u/KeepSwinging

He really likes to cherry pick reality to his liking. Did the same thing by doing a collab with the roach covered trash man right after his twitch ban for racist comments by crying “we’re jus

u/DiasFlac42

It’s all been explained already, but it’s worth noting that Thor had previously derided other players that were playing Mages in similar situations and said that they could/should have done m

u/kafaldsbylur

The proper way is indeed to separate the conversations from the code. You can make a generic conversation/event handler that handles picking the appropriate conversation based on the current

u/aznanimedude

The first one even

u/theB1ackSwan

I mean, I can say that's fair. He doesn't go by that name as far as I'm aware, and misnaming anyone is just antisocial behavior (when you do it on purpose)

u/SnabDedraterEdave

Thank you for actually answering the question for complete OOL-folks like me who don't even know who this clown is and what his relation is to this recent SKG movement.

u/Pico144

Honestly as much as the codebase is dogshit, I don't agree with claims made by Coding Jesus that this won't ever be finished because of the codebase. It's a simple game, so while the codebase

u/SnabDedraterEdave

Thank you for actually answering the question for complete OOL-folks like me who don't even know who this clown is and what his relation is to this recent SKG movement.

u/RoutineCloud5993

His dad also helped South Park create Make Love Not Warcraft, then Trey and Matt thought it would be funny to make the bad guy of the episode look a little like him.

u/SonderEber

The latest drama is apparently him paying one of his discord mods to buy bits on Twitch for his (Pirate) stream. Basically it has been claimed he manufactured a Twitch Hype Train.

u/OneTripleZero

The thing of it though, is that his advice to "just make games" *is* great advice, because you will always be better served (in an indie environment) actually doing work instead of endlessly

u/Shadow-melder

Thanks for sharing about his dad, what little I've seen second-hand of this drama I never knew what he actually did. I immediately recognized the name from the character "Joey Ray" featured

u/platinum1004

[Yes, as Joeyray says so himself in his AMA.](https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/3xjjbr/ama_joeyray_hall/cy58gf1/)

u/theB1ackSwan

I mean, I can say that's fair. He doesn't go by that name as far as I'm aware, and misnaming anyone is just antisocial behavior (when you do it on purpose)

u/pe1uca

AFAIK his name is Jason Thor Hall, so if people refer to him in any of these names I'd say it should be fine. But no, he bans people calling him Jason.

u/HibbletonFan

That’s not the brag he thinks it is. To me it sounds like, I couldn’t have gotten my job at Blizzard without my dad’s help.

u/PorkChop007

Indeed, for many years they were the gold standard. I mean, back in 2009 the WotLK cinematic had a tremendous impact, it had a technical and narrative quality far beyond anything almost anyon

u/sharfpang

> "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, In some cases. In others, not. The two species of writers, Plotters vs Pantsers. Plotter

u/TheOnly_Anti

Answer: The increased attention to him has drawn scrutiny over his past. This scrutiny and the anger from his opposition to SKG has made him the target of an online rage campaign.

u/Shadow-melder

Thanks for sharing about his dad, what little I've seen second-hand of this drama I never knew what he actually did. I immediately recognized the name from the character "Joey Ray" featured

u/ciaomeridian

Can we not call him Thor. Clowns name is Jason lol. Everything he says about himself is a lie.

u/AloneAddiction

His *dad* deserves every bit of praise coming to him because his cinematic abilities are excellent. I'd even go so far as to say Blizzard cinematics were the best in the game industry.

u/Pyritedust

I have the same problem, I bought it in 2019 and I liked what was there, and was rather hopeful it would go on to be finished. It's one of the games that soured me on most early access titles

u/KeepSwinging

He really likes to cherry pick reality to his liking. Did the same thing by doing a collab with the roach covered trash man right after his twitch ban for racist comments by crying “we’re jus

u/Far_Breakfast_5808

As a follow-up: as someone who had never heard of PirateSoftware before the SKG drama, and knowing very little about WoW, what happened during that WoW raid, why was that raid a big deal, and

u/platinum1004

You want to know what's worse? He treats his dad like absolute shit as well - [he forgot his dad's birthday, and when his dad calls him out on it, he doesn't even apologise (or even say happ

u/Gazboolean

Answer: PirateSoftware has positioned himself as a professional in the game development space. The SKG stuff caused people to scrutinise his background and found it lacking from both a develo

u/drfunkenstien014

For me, he stood out because I grew up with people like this. They’d always have to one-up you on everything, would make all sorts of excuses as to why it was never their fault, make constant

u/zeldagold

I thought he doesn't have his code open on stream, and has config files for like Minecraft and such. It seems like coding reviewers have to go hunting to find examples of his actual coding

u/aeschenkarnos

He raised that guy, so there’s some evidence.

u/platinum1004

There's no evidence Joeyray Hall was a terrible (or good) parent, so not going to speculate, as people turning out horrible isn't always evidence of bad parenting either. There is, however,

u/SnabDedraterEdave

Thank you for actually answering the question for complete OOL-folks like me who don't even know who this clown is and what his relation is to this recent SKG movement.

u/Far_Breakfast_5808

As a follow-up: as someone who had never heard of PirateSoftware before the SKG drama, and knowing very little about WoW, what happened during that WoW raid, why was that raid a big deal, and

u/bangmykock

Its not his behavior but his inability to take accountability for his mistakes.

u/XenusParadox

Not OP, but a gamedev commenting for advice. What discipline(s) would you like to explore more deeply? e.g. game design, programming, or artistic expression with these tools? If you're no

u/KeepSwinging

He really likes to cherry pick reality to his liking. Did the same thing by doing a collab with the roach covered trash man right after his twitch ban for racist comments by crying “we’re jus

u/engelthefallen

To add to what the others said, before his raid went south, we trashed others players for having a raid also result in deaths listing all the ways he would have been able to save that raid if

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Answer: he has been skyrocketing in popularity since 2023 or so. Acting like he’s this very wise, all knowing, very experienced developer, not in a pleasant way. Then he opposed SKG in such

u/ThatGenericName2

It's funny to me that he absolutely acknowledges that the first time he was hired he only got the job because he was a nepo baby, but then tries to claim that the second time he was hired was

u/aeschenkarnos

He raised that guy, so there’s some evidence.

u/engelthefallen

To add to what the others said, before his raid went south, we trashed others players for having a raid also result in deaths listing all the ways he would have been able to save that raid if

u/Gazboolean

Answer: PirateSoftware has positioned himself as a professional in the game development space. The SKG stuff caused people to scrutinise his background and found it lacking from both a develo

u/SpadeSage

Answer: PirateSoftware never knows when to back down is the short answer. The longer answer: PirateSoftware constantly makes small comments that when analyzed in a stream environment a

u/Eamonsieur

In Stephen King’s autobiography *On Writing*, he talks about how lots of fans come up to him and say they always wanted to be a writer, but when he asks them what they’ve written, none of the

u/SnabDedraterEdave

Thank you for actually answering the question for complete OOL-folks like me who don't even know who this clown is and what his relation is to this recent SKG movement.

u/theBoyWonder_

His ego is probably what is holding him back from doing that. He probably wants to still be able to tout himself as a game dev but people will hold his failure to finish Heartbound over his h

u/IHazMagics

The message is somewhat undercut and devalued when the person delivering tbat message does a lot of very public things that are against the spirit of his messages. Because im sure there aren

u/Gazboolean

Something worth knowing is they were playing Hardcore WoW Classic. The classic version of the game takes a lot of time to progress and the hardcore version of the game means if you die you do

u/SnabDedraterEdave

Thank you for actually answering the question for complete OOL-folks like me who don't even know who this clown is and what his relation is to this recent SKG movement.

u/OneTripleZero

The thing of it though, is that his advice to "just make games" *is* great advice, because you will always be better served (in an indie environment) actually doing work instead of endlessly

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Answer: he has been skyrocketing in popularity since 2023 or so. Acting like he’s this very wise, all knowing, very experienced developer, not in a pleasant way. Then he opposed SKG in such

u/platinum1004

There's no evidence Joeyray Hall was a terrible (or good) parent, so not going to speculate, as people turning out horrible isn't always evidence of bad parenting either. There is, however,

u/scalyblue

Heartbound does have a staggering amount of content from a certain point of view, but it’s not content that player is going to ever see. It has a branching system of dialog that offers choic

u/Jay_JWLH

I've seen videos constructively criticizing his coding. For the very few times that any VOD's he has of him actually coding, the coding was done poorly using bad practices. Then you add all

u/TheOnly_Anti

Answer: The increased attention to him has drawn scrutiny over his past. This scrutiny and the anger from his opposition to SKG has made him the target of an online rage campaign.

u/eatmygerms

Ya but did you know his dad worked for Blizzard /j

u/SonderEber

The latest drama is apparently him paying one of his discord mods to buy bits on Twitch for his (Pirate) stream. Basically it has been claimed he manufactured a Twitch Hype Train.

u/aznanimedude

The first one even

u/SonderEber

The latest drama is apparently him paying one of his discord mods to buy bits on Twitch for his (Pirate) stream. Basically it has been claimed he manufactured a Twitch Hype Train.

u/beachedwhale1945

Really ironic coming from a guy who made a short saying you need to spend more time with your grandparents before they die. Something like “If they have two years left and you call them once

u/NopileosX2

He is one of those people where you can see the Dunning-Kruger effect in action for basically everything he does. He somehow got himself to believe he is very smart about all the things he ta

u/pe1uca

AFAIK his name is Jason Thor Hall, so if people refer to him in any of these names I'd say it should be fine. But no, he bans people calling him Jason.

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Ah, didn't know that part yet. I expect the algorithm will present it shortly.

u/vlladonxxx

I can really relate to that. For instance, I'm a second generation father. Don't have my own kids as of yet, but my father does.

u/TheSupr1

Oh, that was good!

u/beachedwhale1945

Really ironic coming from a guy who made a short saying you need to spend more time with your grandparents before they die. Something like “If they have two years left and you call them once

u/Whats-his-nuts

As someone trying to pick up game creation in my free time, what did you like and not like about this message? Follow up, any people/resources you could point me to to get better, especially

u/vlladonxxx

I can really relate to that. For instance, I'm a second generation father. Don't have my own kids as of yet, but my father does.

u/eatmygerms

Ya but did you know his dad worked for Blizzard /j

u/Pico144

We all have our online nicknames, even if he chooses one that he doesn't live up to, like Thor, I'm gonna respect that even though I despise the guy However I absolutely love the movement to

u/Jay_JWLH

I've seen videos constructively criticizing his coding. For the very few times that any VOD's he has of him actually coding, the coding was done poorly using bad practices. Then you add all

u/boat_

I know it's silly to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point, but I wouldn't blame him if he just came out and said that he makes more money from streaming and doesn't have the drive

u/Tamerlechatlevrai

The problem with not spending any time on heartbound is that people paid to finance the development on Kickstarter, so abandoning the project is a bad look if not possibly illegal. I don't th

u/Gazboolean

Yeah it’s fascinating to see a very fragile ego (in the most literal sense and not judgementally) in real time. There’s definitely some part of him that truly believes if he gives an inch eve

u/kafaldsbylur

Indeed, but also on a longer timescale, what is one guy working alone effectively becomes a team project between guy-two-years-ago, guy-one-year-ago, guy-today, guy-one-year-from-now, etc. I

u/PointBlue

No way Lmao. Imagine sucking on blizzards tits that you invoke multiple generations.

u/sharfpang

> "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, In some cases. In others, not. The two species of writers, Plotters vs Pantsers. Plotter

u/NopileosX2

He is one of those people where you can see the Dunning-Kruger effect in action for basically everything he does. He somehow got himself to believe he is very smart about all the things he ta

u/Pyritedust

I have the same problem, I bought it in 2019 and I liked what was there, and was rather hopeful it would go on to be finished. It's one of the games that soured me on most early access titles

u/Shadow-melder

Thanks for sharing about his dad, what little I've seen second-hand of this drama I never knew what he actually did. I immediately recognized the name from the character "Joey Ray" featured

u/nikelaos117

His dad called him out on stream that he didn't even say happy birthday to him. And the last text he sent him was saying happy birthday to him last year. So not only did he not reach out to h

u/project2501c

The milk?

u/scalyblue

Heartbound does have a staggering amount of content from a certain point of view, but it’s not content that player is going to ever see. It has a branching system of dialog that offers choic

u/iTwango

His "just make games" and his advice on being/becoming a programmer/dev always rubbed me the wrong way, tbh. As someone who has legit education in computer sciences, it seemed either disingen

u/Eamonsieur

In Stephen King’s autobiography *On Writing*, he talks about how lots of fans come up to him and say they always wanted to be a writer, but when he asks them what they’ve written, none of the

u/TeaAndS0da

His dad was also the template for the villain in Make Love Not Warcraft.

u/vlladonxxx

I can really relate to that. For instance, I'm a second generation father. Don't have my own kids as of yet, but my father does.

u/IHazMagics

Oh that's not even the most cringe. When referring to his dad and Blizzard he now refers to himself as "the first second gen Blizzard employee" which is just so cloying and needy.

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

despite admitting it by himself in a stream, lmfao.

u/TheOnly_Anti

Answer: The increased attention to him has drawn scrutiny over his past. This scrutiny and the anger from his opposition to SKG has made him the target of an online rage campaign.

u/t_sarkkinen

To add some detail: apparently the game is very much like Undertale, which is why some people are calling it an Undertale clone. The code is apparently very rudimentary too. It has also taken

u/DiasFlac42

It’s all been explained already, but it’s worth noting that Thor had previously derided other players that were playing Mages in similar situations and said that they could/should have done m

u/Atrium41

He also never calls his dad Said he almost went a year without talking to him

u/Far_Breakfast_5808

As a follow-up: as someone who had never heard of PirateSoftware before the SKG drama, and knowing very little about WoW, what happened during that WoW raid, why was that raid a big deal, and

u/SnabDedraterEdave

Thank you for actually answering the question for complete OOL-folks like me who don't even know who this clown is and what his relation is to this recent SKG movement.

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

even if his dad seserved it, Jason himself proved time and time again that he is a compulsive liar, an imposter and adorns himself with borrowed plumes

u/Hartastic

100%. One of my least proud professional moments is coming to work one Monday, looking at some code and trying to figure out what the hell the developer was doing with it and why and, check

u/Pico144

Mostly agreed, to clarify - heartbound is already 8 years in development, still in early access and has about 3 hours of content. Oh, and he lied last year on multiple occasions that the game

u/LSF604

I didn't watch him much, but I never saw any claims of being good at programming. Iirc he talked about cheat detection and community relations as far as his work went

u/Pico144

Mostly agreed, to clarify - heartbound is already 8 years in development, still in early access and has about 3 hours of content. Oh, and he lied last year on multiple occasions that the game

u/Gazboolean

Answer: PirateSoftware has positioned himself as a professional in the game development space. The SKG stuff caused people to scrutinise his background and found it lacking from both a develo

u/sgtfoleyistheman

I watched this guy on YouTube a few years ago. Some things he said sounded eloquent but they were all pretty shallow. Then He mentioned a few times how he worked QA at Amazon Games. I've be

u/TheSupr1

Oh, that was good!

u/kafaldsbylur

Indeed, but also on a longer timescale, what is one guy working alone effectively becomes a team project between guy-two-years-ago, guy-one-year-ago, guy-today, guy-one-year-from-now, etc. I

u/theBoyWonder_

His ego is probably what is holding him back from doing that. He probably wants to still be able to tout himself as a game dev but people will hold his failure to finish Heartbound over his h

u/PorkChop007

Indeed, for many years they were the gold standard. I mean, back in 2009 the WotLK cinematic had a tremendous impact, it had a technical and narrative quality far beyond anything almost anyon

u/AnticipateMe

If you take a look at *all* of his game dev category streams on twitch from the past. Every single one he does nothing. Maybe he scrolls up and down and changes some values, but I've never fo

u/Certesis

Answer: He's made a lot of contradictory statements, like saying that [he never talks about blizzard,](https://youtu.be/Y03L5KlXDLg) and saying that [he isn't a "nepo baby" and then describin

u/sharfpang

> "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, In some cases. In others, not. The two species of writers, Plotters vs Pantsers. Plotter

u/talc25

The cutscenes were fire! Warcraft 3 was phenomenal

u/ciaomeridian

Can we not call him Thor. Clowns name is Jason lol. Everything he says about himself is a lie.

u/vlladonxxx

I can really relate to that. For instance, I'm a second generation father. Don't have my own kids as of yet, but my father does.

u/lilahking

yeah, bro has multiple children. one kid turning out to be an asshole isn't on the parents. i should know, my parents are great and i suck

u/Pico144

We've heard his voice outside of his stream, for instance when receiving streamer awards. He has a decent voice and it definitely seems to have gone deeper since the old clip where he was a

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

even if his dad seserved it, Jason himself proved time and time again that he is a compulsive liar, an imposter and adorns himself with borrowed plumes

u/Hartastic

100%. One of my least proud professional moments is coming to work one Monday, looking at some code and trying to figure out what the hell the developer was doing with it and why and, check

u/platinum1004

There's no evidence Joeyray Hall was a terrible (or good) parent, so not going to speculate, as people turning out horrible isn't always evidence of bad parenting either. There is, however,

u/Shadow-melder

Thanks for sharing about his dad, what little I've seen second-hand of this drama I never knew what he actually did. I immediately recognized the name from the character "Joey Ray" featured

u/Pico144

We all have our online nicknames, even if he chooses one that he doesn't live up to, like Thor, I'm gonna respect that even though I despise the guy However I absolutely love the movement to

u/Taira_Mai

He "roached" on a raid - on stream, his party was on a very difficult map where if you die you lose your character. His actions during the raid were bad enough (despite his claims of being a

u/AnticipateMe

If you take a look at *all* of his game dev category streams on twitch from the past. Every single one he does nothing. Maybe he scrolls up and down and changes some values, but I've never fo

u/Eamonsieur

In Stephen King’s autobiography *On Writing*, he talks about how lots of fans come up to him and say they always wanted to be a writer, but when he asks them what they’ve written, none of the

u/Hartastic

But like anything else in life, there are degrees to these things. There's a gulf between a professional chef who went to culinary school and an amateur just cooking dinners for their family

u/messick

Wonder if his dad is embarrassed his son is spreading his secret shame all over town, lol. j/k, some of my best co-workers are former Blizzard engineers.

u/Soul-Burn

He made a nice six figures from a single stream hype train... Which is now being scrutinized for fraud. Considering his coding style, I'd ve discouraged to continue as well.

u/Gazboolean

At least that is a respectable position to take. He just won’t let go of it and continues to say he’s developing the game and that it’ll be released.

u/boat_

I know it's silly to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point, but I wouldn't blame him if he just came out and said that he makes more money from streaming and doesn't have the drive

u/project2501c

The milk?

u/SonderEber

No no no, he’s a second gen employee! /s He actually has said he’s a nepo baby.

u/iTwango

His "just make games" and his advice on being/becoming a programmer/dev always rubbed me the wrong way, tbh. As someone who has legit education in computer sciences, it seemed either disingen

u/HibbletonFan

That’s not the brag he thinks it is. To me it sounds like, I couldn’t have gotten my job at Blizzard without my dad’s help.

u/Far_Breakfast_5808

As a follow-up: as someone who had never heard of PirateSoftware before the SKG drama, and knowing very little about WoW, what happened during that WoW raid, why was that raid a big deal, and

u/Eilavamp

He had a decent reputation before the wow incident, mostly because the most people really knew about him were his YouTube shorts. He went from obscurity to millions of twitch views in 2 month

u/Supermunch2000

There was a video where [Joeyray Hall was talking about a thing that happened at Blizzard](https://youtu.be/gcmcmkPmW6c?t=3055) and he was going to call him Jason but corrected himself and ca

u/sharfpang

> "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, In some cases. In others, not. The two species of writers, Plotters vs Pantsers. Plotter

u/ConspicuouslyBland

No problem, If I can answer properly, I will. If you do programming, or would like to do it, some of those videos pointing out the things he does wrong, are very educational.

u/NeviBevi

Oh, but he loses his mind if you point out he is a nepotism baby

u/Atrium41

He also never calls his dad Said he almost went a year without talking to him

u/KeepSwinging

He really likes to cherry pick reality to his liking. Did the same thing by doing a collab with the roach covered trash man right after his twitch ban for racist comments by crying “we’re jus

u/Taira_Mai

He "roached" on a raid - on stream, his party was on a very difficult map where if you die you lose your character. His actions during the raid were bad enough (despite his claims of being a

u/Eamonsieur

In Stephen King’s autobiography *On Writing*, he talks about how lots of fans come up to him and say they always wanted to be a writer, but when he asks them what they’ve written, none of the

u/kafaldsbylur

Indeed, but also on a longer timescale, what is one guy working alone effectively becomes a team project between guy-two-years-ago, guy-one-year-ago, guy-today, guy-one-year-from-now, etc. I

u/CyberClawX

Coding needs structure though (specially nowadays, with many DLCs and patches). Well, it doesn't, but writing code by the skin of your pants will create enormous technical debt. You'll create

u/ThatGenericName2

It's funny to me that he absolutely acknowledges that the first time he was hired he only got the job because he was a nepo baby, but then tries to claim that the second time he was hired was

u/DarkflowNZ

Reminds me of the possibly apocryphal story of the con board that featured a bunch of writers including George R. R. Martin and Stephen King. GRRM says something to the effect of "I don't kno

u/aznanimedude

The first one even

u/TeaAndS0da

His dad was also the template for the villain in Make Love Not Warcraft.

u/TheOnly_Anti

Answer: The increased attention to him has drawn scrutiny over his past. This scrutiny and the anger from his opposition to SKG has made him the target of an online rage campaign.

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

despite admitting it by himself in a stream, lmfao.

u/scalyblue

Heartbound does have a staggering amount of content from a certain point of view, but it’s not content that player is going to ever see. It has a branching system of dialog that offers choic

u/IHazMagics

Oh that's not even the most cringe. When referring to his dad and Blizzard he now refers to himself as "the first second gen Blizzard employee" which is just so cloying and needy.

u/Gazboolean

Something worth knowing is they were playing Hardcore WoW Classic. The classic version of the game takes a lot of time to progress and the hardcore version of the game means if you die you do

u/Taira_Mai

He "roached" on a raid - on stream, his party was on a very difficult map where if you die you lose your character. His actions during the raid were bad enough (despite his claims of being a

u/Eamonsieur

In Stephen King’s autobiography *On Writing*, he talks about how lots of fans come up to him and say they always wanted to be a writer, but when he asks them what they’ve written, none of the

u/beachedwhale1945

Really ironic coming from a guy who made a short saying you need to spend more time with your grandparents before they die. Something like “If they have two years left and you call them once

u/platinum1004

You want to know what's worse? He treats his dad like absolute shit as well - [he forgot his dad's birthday, and when his dad calls him out on it, he doesn't even apologise (or even say happ

u/TheSupr1

Oh, that was good!

u/Etheo

Eh, I don't know. I'm not a fan of the guy but I wouldn't be too judgy on that. Who knows what their family relationship is like? For all we know maybe the Dad did deserve it. Or didn't, w

u/Gazboolean

Yeah it’s fascinating to see a very fragile ego (in the most literal sense and not judgementally) in real time. There’s definitely some part of him that truly believes if he gives an inch eve

u/nikelaos117

His dad called him out on stream that he didn't even say happy birthday to him. And the last text he sent him was saying happy birthday to him last year. So not only did he not reach out to h

u/Gazboolean

I played the game and was genuinely baffled about how incomplete it was. The worst part is I enjoyed what was there, as far as the story being told, but it being so incomplete was such a wast

u/IHazMagics

Personally I think it goes deeper then that. When people say they are of a generation to a place, they say that because it connects them to a people. Him saying that connects him to a kind

u/Goaliedude3919

He apparently forgot he said that, because now he claims not to be a nepo hire lol https://youtu.be/WzPAePAFl58?si=4_MY7_CZLZV3ZQGo

u/NeviBevi

Oh, but he loses his mind if you point out he is a nepotism baby

u/platinum1004

[Yes, as Joeyray says so himself in his AMA.](https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/3xjjbr/ama_joeyray_hall/cy58gf1/)

u/Shadow-melder

Thanks for sharing about his dad, what little I've seen second-hand of this drama I never knew what he actually did. I immediately recognized the name from the character "Joey Ray" featured

u/project2501c

that explains who stole the breast milk.

u/IHazMagics

The message is somewhat undercut and devalued when the person delivering tbat message does a lot of very public things that are against the spirit of his messages. Because im sure there aren

u/eatmygerms

Ya but did you know his dad worked for Blizzard /j

u/KeepSwinging

He really likes to cherry pick reality to his liking. Did the same thing by doing a collab with the roach covered trash man right after his twitch ban for racist comments by crying “we’re jus

u/kafaldsbylur

The proper way is indeed to separate the conversations from the code. You can make a generic conversation/event handler that handles picking the appropriate conversation based on the current

u/Jay_JWLH

I've seen videos constructively criticizing his coding. For the very few times that any VOD's he has of him actually coding, the coding was done poorly using bad practices. Then you add all

u/Gazboolean

Something worth knowing is they were playing Hardcore WoW Classic. The classic version of the game takes a lot of time to progress and the hardcore version of the game means if you die you do

u/kafaldsbylur

Indeed, but also on a longer timescale, what is one guy working alone effectively becomes a team project between guy-two-years-ago, guy-one-year-ago, guy-today, guy-one-year-from-now, etc. I

u/drfunkenstien014

For me, he stood out because I grew up with people like this. They’d always have to one-up you on everything, would make all sorts of excuses as to why it was never their fault, make constant

u/IHazMagics

The message is somewhat undercut and devalued when the person delivering tbat message does a lot of very public things that are against the spirit of his messages. Because im sure there aren

u/NopileosX2

He is one of those people where you can see the Dunning-Kruger effect in action for basically everything he does. He somehow got himself to believe he is very smart about all the things he ta

u/Certesis

Answer: He's made a lot of contradictory statements, like saying that [he never talks about blizzard,](https://youtu.be/Y03L5KlXDLg) and saying that [he isn't a "nepo baby" and then describin

u/boat_

I know it's silly to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point, but I wouldn't blame him if he just came out and said that he makes more money from streaming and doesn't have the drive

u/TheOnly_Anti

Answer: The increased attention to him has drawn scrutiny over his past. This scrutiny and the anger from his opposition to SKG has made him the target of an online rage campaign.

u/LSF604

The way game engines are these days, you don't have to know how to be a good programmer to make a game if you aren't doing anything too crazy. His code was indeed shitty, but he's the only on

u/talc25

The cutscenes were fire! Warcraft 3 was phenomenal

u/IHazMagics

Oh that's not even the most cringe. When referring to his dad and Blizzard he now refers to himself as "the first second gen Blizzard employee" which is just so cloying and needy.

u/NopileosX2

He is one of those people where you can see the Dunning-Kruger effect in action for basically everything he does. He somehow got himself to believe he is very smart about all the things he ta

u/SonderEber

Did you know he’s a second generation Blizzard employee? Did you know he worked for Blizzard?!?!?! Guys!!! He worked for Blizzard!!!

u/ThatGenericName2

It's funny to me that he absolutely acknowledges that the first time he was hired he only got the job because he was a nepo baby, but then tries to claim that the second time he was hired was

u/eatmygerms

Ya but did you know his dad worked for Blizzard /j

u/zeldagold

I thought he doesn't have his code open on stream, and has config files for like Minecraft and such. It seems like coding reviewers have to go hunting to find examples of his actual coding

u/KuroShiroTaka

Yeah, if that one stream with the therapist (Healthy Gamers IIRC) was any indication, it sounds like the reasons he refused to apologize or own up is cus he sees that as showing weakness or s

u/engelthefallen

To add to what the others said, before his raid went south, we trashed others players for having a raid also result in deaths listing all the ways he would have been able to save that raid if

u/vlladonxxx

I can really relate to that. For instance, I'm a second generation father. Don't have my own kids as of yet, but my father does.

u/eatmygerms

Ya but did you know his dad worked for Blizzard /j

u/DarkflowNZ

The same way a writer should "just write books". It's obviously a lot more complicated than those three words make it seem, but the point is you have to do it. There comes a point where no am

u/bionicjoey

Proud nepo baby lol

u/HibbletonFan

That’s not the brag he thinks it is. To me it sounds like, I couldn’t have gotten my job at Blizzard without my dad’s help.

u/boat_

I know it's silly to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point, but I wouldn't blame him if he just came out and said that he makes more money from streaming and doesn't have the drive

u/PointBlue

No way Lmao. Imagine sucking on blizzards tits that you invoke multiple generations.

u/vlladonxxx

I can really relate to that. For instance, I'm a second generation father. Don't have my own kids as of yet, but my father does.

u/IHazMagics

Personally I think it goes deeper then that. When people say they are of a generation to a place, they say that because it connects them to a people. Him saying that connects him to a kind

u/Goaliedude3919

He apparently forgot he said that, because now he claims not to be a nepo hire lol https://youtu.be/WzPAePAFl58?si=4_MY7_CZLZV3ZQGo

u/zeldagold

I thought he doesn't have his code open on stream, and has config files for like Minecraft and such. It seems like coding reviewers have to go hunting to find examples of his actual coding

u/TeaAndS0da

His dad was also the template for the villain in Make Love Not Warcraft.

u/NeviBevi

Oh, but he loses his mind if you point out he is a nepotism baby

u/aeschenkarnos

He raised that guy, so there’s some evidence.

u/vlladonxxx

I can really relate to that. For instance, I'm a second generation father. Don't have my own kids as of yet, but my father does.

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

despite admitting it by himself in a stream, lmfao.

u/Etheo

Eh, I don't know. I'm not a fan of the guy but I wouldn't be too judgy on that. Who knows what their family relationship is like? For all we know maybe the Dad did deserve it. Or didn't, w

u/project2501c

The milk?

u/Atrium41

He also never calls his dad Said he almost went a year without talking to him

u/Gazboolean

At least that is a respectable position to take. He just won’t let go of it and continues to say he’s developing the game and that it’ll be released.

u/Gazboolean

Something worth knowing is they were playing Hardcore WoW Classic. The classic version of the game takes a lot of time to progress and the hardcore version of the game means if you die you do

u/pe1uca

AFAIK his name is Jason Thor Hall, so if people refer to him in any of these names I'd say it should be fine. But no, he bans people calling him Jason.

u/TheOnly_Anti

Answer: The increased attention to him has drawn scrutiny over his past. This scrutiny and the anger from his opposition to SKG has made him the target of an online rage campaign.

u/PorkChop007

Indeed, for many years they were the gold standard. I mean, back in 2009 the WotLK cinematic had a tremendous impact, it had a technical and narrative quality far beyond anything almost anyon

u/sgtfoleyistheman

I watched this guy on YouTube a few years ago. Some things he said sounded eloquent but they were all pretty shallow. Then He mentioned a few times how he worked QA at Amazon Games. I've be

u/Shadow-melder

Thanks for sharing about his dad, what little I've seen second-hand of this drama I never knew what he actually did. I immediately recognized the name from the character "Joey Ray" featured

u/Certesis

Answer: He's made a lot of contradictory statements, like saying that [he never talks about blizzard,](https://youtu.be/Y03L5KlXDLg) and saying that [he isn't a "nepo baby" and then describin

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

he also worked as a QA at blizzard, which isn't a considerably prestigious position either.

u/aeschenkarnos

He raised that guy, so there’s some evidence.

u/Far_Breakfast_5808

As a follow-up: as someone who had never heard of PirateSoftware before the SKG drama, and knowing very little about WoW, what happened during that WoW raid, why was that raid a big deal, and

u/drfunkenstien014

For me, he stood out because I grew up with people like this. They’d always have to one-up you on everything, would make all sorts of excuses as to why it was never their fault, make constant

u/bionicjoey

Proud nepo baby lol

u/Eamonsieur

In Stephen King’s autobiography *On Writing*, he talks about how lots of fans come up to him and say they always wanted to be a writer, but when he asks them what they’ve written, none of the

u/lilahking

yeah, bro has multiple children. one kid turning out to be an asshole isn't on the parents. i should know, my parents are great and i suck

u/ConspicuouslyBland

No problem, If I can answer properly, I will. If you do programming, or would like to do it, some of those videos pointing out the things he does wrong, are very educational.

u/SpadeSage

Answer: PirateSoftware never knows when to back down is the short answer. The longer answer: PirateSoftware constantly makes small comments that when analyzed in a stream environment a

u/pe1uca

AFAIK his name is Jason Thor Hall, so if people refer to him in any of these names I'd say it should be fine. But no, he bans people calling him Jason.

u/AloneAddiction

His *dad* deserves every bit of praise coming to him because his cinematic abilities are excellent. I'd even go so far as to say Blizzard cinematics were the best in the game industry.

u/NopileosX2

He is one of those people where you can see the Dunning-Kruger effect in action for basically everything he does. He somehow got himself to believe he is very smart about all the things he ta

u/HibbletonFan

That’s not the brag he thinks it is. To me it sounds like, I couldn’t have gotten my job at Blizzard without my dad’s help.

u/PorkChop007

Indeed, for many years they were the gold standard. I mean, back in 2009 the WotLK cinematic had a tremendous impact, it had a technical and narrative quality far beyond anything almost anyon

u/Gazboolean

Answer: PirateSoftware has positioned himself as a professional in the game development space. The SKG stuff caused people to scrutinise his background and found it lacking from both a develo

u/platinum1004

There's no evidence Joeyray Hall was a terrible (or good) parent, so not going to speculate, as people turning out horrible isn't always evidence of bad parenting either. There is, however,

u/GodOD400

Answer: He's reddit and youtube's whipping boy. He became really popular and then there was the WoW controversy and the Stop Killing Games controversy. And since hate = clicks it becomes real

u/Tamerlechatlevrai

The problem with not spending any time on heartbound is that people paid to finance the development on Kickstarter, so abandoning the project is a bad look if not possibly illegal. I don't th

u/Taira_Mai

Answer: His actions during a WOW raid and his vitriol directed at Stop Killing Games caused a lot of other Youtubers to dig into his past. He's been caught using his phone to solve puzzles o

u/bionicjoey

Proud nepo baby lol

u/SnabDedraterEdave

Thank you for actually answering the question for complete OOL-folks like me who don't even know who this clown is and what his relation is to this recent SKG movement.

u/DarkflowNZ

Reminds me of the possibly apocryphal story of the con board that featured a bunch of writers including George R. R. Martin and Stephen King. GRRM says something to the effect of "I don't kno

u/Etheo

Eh, I don't know. I'm not a fan of the guy but I wouldn't be too judgy on that. Who knows what their family relationship is like? For all we know maybe the Dad did deserve it. Or didn't, w

u/ThatGenericName2

It's funny to me that he absolutely acknowledges that the first time he was hired he only got the job because he was a nepo baby, but then tries to claim that the second time he was hired was

u/Certesis

Answer: He's made a lot of contradictory statements, like saying that [he never talks about blizzard,](https://youtu.be/Y03L5KlXDLg) and saying that [he isn't a "nepo baby" and then describin

u/AloneAddiction

His *dad* deserves every bit of praise coming to him because his cinematic abilities are excellent. I'd even go so far as to say Blizzard cinematics were the best in the game industry.

u/ConspicuouslyBland

No problem, If I can answer properly, I will. If you do programming, or would like to do it, some of those videos pointing out the things he does wrong, are very educational.

u/Far_Breakfast_5808

As a follow-up: as someone who had never heard of PirateSoftware before the SKG drama, and knowing very little about WoW, what happened during that WoW raid, why was that raid a big deal, and

u/Jay_JWLH

Kind of reminds me of Brian from Family Guy. Stewie is always giving him crap, because Brian constantly sells himself as an avid book reader with high intelligence that is writing his own nov

u/Certesis

Answer: He's made a lot of contradictory statements, like saying that [he never talks about blizzard,](https://youtu.be/Y03L5KlXDLg) and saying that [he isn't a "nepo baby" and then describin

u/SonderEber

No no no, he’s a second gen employee! /s He actually has said he’s a nepo baby.

u/Pyritedust

I have the same problem, I bought it in 2019 and I liked what was there, and was rather hopeful it would go on to be finished. It's one of the games that soured me on most early access titles

u/Eilavamp

He had a decent reputation before the wow incident, mostly because the most people really knew about him were his YouTube shorts. He went from obscurity to millions of twitch views in 2 month

u/sterling_mallory

Two I think. He published a self-help book that he wrote in one sitting overnight that became a best seller. "Wish it, Want it, Do it." Then he published his novel "Faster Than the Speed of L

u/SonderEber

No no no, he’s a second gen employee! /s He actually has said he’s a nepo baby.

u/IHazMagics

The message is somewhat undercut and devalued when the person delivering tbat message does a lot of very public things that are against the spirit of his messages. Because im sure there aren

u/Pico144

Mostly agreed, to clarify - heartbound is already 8 years in development, still in early access and has about 3 hours of content. Oh, and he lied last year on multiple occasions that the game

u/AloneAddiction

His *dad* deserves every bit of praise coming to him because his cinematic abilities are excellent. I'd even go so far as to say Blizzard cinematics were the best in the game industry.

u/messick

Wonder if his dad is embarrassed his son is spreading his secret shame all over town, lol. j/k, some of my best co-workers are former Blizzard engineers.

u/TheSupr1

Oh, that was good!

u/TeaAndS0da

His dad was also the template for the villain in Make Love Not Warcraft.

u/Pico144

Mostly agreed, to clarify - heartbound is already 8 years in development, still in early access and has about 3 hours of content. Oh, and he lied last year on multiple occasions that the game

u/Goaliedude3919

He apparently forgot he said that, because now he claims not to be a nepo hire lol https://youtu.be/WzPAePAFl58?si=4_MY7_CZLZV3ZQGo

u/SonderEber

The latest drama is apparently him paying one of his discord mods to buy bits on Twitch for his (Pirate) stream. Basically it has been claimed he manufactured a Twitch Hype Train.

u/NeviBevi

Oh, but he loses his mind if you point out he is a nepotism baby

u/nikelaos117

His dad called him out on stream that he didn't even say happy birthday to him. And the last text he sent him was saying happy birthday to him last year. So not only did he not reach out to h

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

despite admitting it by himself in a stream, lmfao.

u/Hartastic

100%. One of my least proud professional moments is coming to work one Monday, looking at some code and trying to figure out what the hell the developer was doing with it and why and, check

u/Gazboolean

I played the game and was genuinely baffled about how incomplete it was. The worst part is I enjoyed what was there, as far as the story being told, but it being so incomplete was such a wast

u/drfunkenstien014

For me, he stood out because I grew up with people like this. They’d always have to one-up you on everything, would make all sorts of excuses as to why it was never their fault, make constant

u/bionicjoey

Proud nepo baby lol

u/Goaliedude3919

He apparently forgot he said that, because now he claims not to be a nepo hire lol https://youtu.be/WzPAePAFl58?si=4_MY7_CZLZV3ZQGo

u/PointBlue

No way Lmao. Imagine sucking on blizzards tits that you invoke multiple generations.

u/IHazMagics

Oh that's not even the most cringe. When referring to his dad and Blizzard he now refers to himself as "the first second gen Blizzard employee" which is just so cloying and needy.

u/Gazboolean

I played the game and was genuinely baffled about how incomplete it was. The worst part is I enjoyed what was there, as far as the story being told, but it being so incomplete was such a wast

u/aznanimedude

The first one even

u/CyberClawX

Coding needs structure though (specially nowadays, with many DLCs and patches). Well, it doesn't, but writing code by the skin of your pants will create enormous technical debt. You'll create

u/Soul-Burn

He made a nice six figures from a single stream hype train... Which is now being scrutinized for fraud. Considering his coding style, I'd ve discouraged to continue as well.

u/engelthefallen

To add to what the others said, before his raid went south, we trashed others players for having a raid also result in deaths listing all the ways he would have been able to save that raid if

u/Hartastic

Totally agree with all of this and I want to be extra clear that I'm not excusing this bad implementation with what I say next. In a sense he can get away with these decisions up to a point

u/CardiologistMain7237

The guy is a narcissist. Plain and simple. He denies objective reality if it damages his ego or image. Which is sad, because when he started, people saw him as a kind of "Bob Ross of indie g

u/t_sarkkinen

To add some detail: apparently the game is very much like Undertale, which is why some people are calling it an Undertale clone. The code is apparently very rudimentary too. It has also taken

u/Jay_JWLH

Kind of reminds me of Brian from Family Guy. Stewie is always giving him crap, because Brian constantly sells himself as an avid book reader with high intelligence that is writing his own nov

u/NeviBevi

Oh, but he loses his mind if you point out he is a nepotism baby

u/ThatGenericName2

It's funny to me that he absolutely acknowledges that the first time he was hired he only got the job because he was a nepo baby, but then tries to claim that the second time he was hired was

u/DiasFlac42

It’s all been explained already, but it’s worth noting that Thor had previously derided other players that were playing Mages in similar situations and said that they could/should have done m

u/IHazMagics

Personally I think it goes deeper then that. When people say they are of a generation to a place, they say that because it connects them to a people. Him saying that connects him to a kind

u/zeldagold

I thought he doesn't have his code open on stream, and has config files for like Minecraft and such. It seems like coding reviewers have to go hunting to find examples of his actual coding

u/bionicjoey

Proud nepo baby lol

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

even if his dad seserved it, Jason himself proved time and time again that he is a compulsive liar, an imposter and adorns himself with borrowed plumes

u/talc25

The cutscenes were fire! Warcraft 3 was phenomenal

u/TeaAndS0da

His dad was also the template for the villain in Make Love Not Warcraft.

u/Jay_JWLH

Kind of reminds me of Brian from Family Guy. Stewie is always giving him crap, because Brian constantly sells himself as an avid book reader with high intelligence that is writing his own nov

u/SnabDedraterEdave

Thank you for actually answering the question for complete OOL-folks like me who don't even know who this clown is and what his relation is to this recent SKG movement.

u/IHazMagics

Oh that's not even the most cringe. When referring to his dad and Blizzard he now refers to himself as "the first second gen Blizzard employee" which is just so cloying and needy.

u/Far_Breakfast_5808

As a follow-up: as someone who had never heard of PirateSoftware before the SKG drama, and knowing very little about WoW, what happened during that WoW raid, why was that raid a big deal, and

u/project2501c

The milk?

u/ZombieJasus

That wouldn't make it any better, as he raised money for the game from Kickstarter almost a decade ago, and has sold many copies in steam early access. He owes a complete game to all the peop

u/pe1uca

AFAIK his name is Jason Thor Hall, so if people refer to him in any of these names I'd say it should be fine. But no, he bans people calling him Jason.

u/ConspicuouslyBland

Ah, didn't know that part yet. I expect the algorithm will present it shortly.

u/platinum1004

[Yes, as Joeyray says so himself in his AMA.](https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/3xjjbr/ama_joeyray_hall/cy58gf1/)

u/Shadow-melder

Thanks for sharing about his dad, what little I've seen second-hand of this drama I never knew what he actually did. I immediately recognized the name from the character "Joey Ray" featured

u/Pico144

Honestly as much as the codebase is dogshit, I don't agree with claims made by Coding Jesus that this won't ever be finished because of the codebase. It's a simple game, so while the codebase

u/Goaliedude3919

He apparently forgot he said that, because now he claims not to be a nepo hire lol https://youtu.be/WzPAePAFl58?si=4_MY7_CZLZV3ZQGo

u/ciaomeridian

Can we not call him Thor. Clowns name is Jason lol. Everything he says about himself is a lie.

u/talc25

The cutscenes were fire! Warcraft 3 was phenomenal

u/TheSupr1

Oh, that was good!

u/IHazMagics

Personally I think it goes deeper then that. When people say they are of a generation to a place, they say that because it connects them to a people. Him saying that connects him to a kind

u/nikelaos117

His dad called him out on stream that he didn't even say happy birthday to him. And the last text he sent him was saying happy birthday to him last year. So not only did he not reach out to h

u/project2501c

The milk?

u/Gazboolean

Something worth knowing is they were playing Hardcore WoW Classic. The classic version of the game takes a lot of time to progress and the hardcore version of the game means if you die you do

u/drfunkenstien014

For me, he stood out because I grew up with people like this. They’d always have to one-up you on everything, would make all sorts of excuses as to why it was never their fault, make constant

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

he also worked as a QA at blizzard, which isn't a considerably prestigious position either.

u/messick

Wonder if his dad is embarrassed his son is spreading his secret shame all over town, lol. j/k, some of my best co-workers are former Blizzard engineers.

u/DiasFlac42

It’s all been explained already, but it’s worth noting that Thor had previously derided other players that were playing Mages in similar situations and said that they could/should have done m

u/Soul-Burn

He made a nice six figures from a single stream hype train... Which is now being scrutinized for fraud. Considering his coding style, I'd ve discouraged to continue as well.

u/Jay_JWLH

Kind of reminds me of Brian from Family Guy. Stewie is always giving him crap, because Brian constantly sells himself as an avid book reader with high intelligence that is writing his own nov

u/TheOnly_Anti

Answer: The increased attention to him has drawn scrutiny over his past. This scrutiny and the anger from his opposition to SKG has made him the target of an online rage campaign.

u/Goaliedude3919

He apparently forgot he said that, because now he claims not to be a nepo hire lol https://youtu.be/WzPAePAFl58?si=4_MY7_CZLZV3ZQGo

u/ThatGenericName2

It's funny to me that he absolutely acknowledges that the first time he was hired he only got the job because he was a nepo baby, but then tries to claim that the second time he was hired was

u/vlladonxxx

I can really relate to that. For instance, I'm a second generation father. Don't have my own kids as of yet, but my father does.

u/Goaliedude3919

He apparently forgot he said that, because now he claims not to be a nepo hire lol https://youtu.be/WzPAePAFl58?si=4_MY7_CZLZV3ZQGo

u/Pico144

Mostly agreed, to clarify - heartbound is already 8 years in development, still in early access and has about 3 hours of content. Oh, and he lied last year on multiple occasions that the game

u/EinMuffin

Ah I see that makes sense. Everybody said he admitted to being a nepo baby but nobody showed any proof. So thank you.

u/kafaldsbylur

Indeed, but also on a longer timescale, what is one guy working alone effectively becomes a team project between guy-two-years-ago, guy-one-year-ago, guy-today, guy-one-year-from-now, etc. I

u/Mr_ToDo

Oh goodness, that sounds just awful But now that we're here, what *is* the proper way to handle conversations where there's so many slight variations? I can imagine that if it's just pieces

u/Eilavamp

He had a decent reputation before the wow incident, mostly because the most people really knew about him were his YouTube shorts. He went from obscurity to millions of twitch views in 2 month

u/IHazMagics

Oh that's not even the most cringe. When referring to his dad and Blizzard he now refers to himself as "the first second gen Blizzard employee" which is just so cloying and needy.

u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner

he also worked as a QA at blizzard, which isn't a considerably prestigious position either.

u/RoutineCloud5993

His dad also helped South Park create Make Love Not Warcraft, then Trey and Matt thought it would be funny to make the bad guy of the episode look a little like him.

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