Gen Z Job Crisis: New Market for Skill-Based Learning & Support

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Gen Z is right about the job hunt—it really is worse than it was for millennials, with nearly 60% of fresh-faced grads frozen out of the workforce

Posted by u/upyoars•07/21/2025

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u/Kapowpow

I’m closer to 40 than 30

u/00rb

Don't listen to the AI boosterism. I think AI has the potential to change a lot but right now it's just potential and I don't think it's really speeding anything up. It's just regular layof

u/MrPreviz

In the strongest economy ever. This complacency cant keep going yall…

u/Skitz-Scarekrow

Because that moron voted for policies that got us here.

u/Lokan

That's the trap of "efficiency" -- every single piece must be producing something profitable at all times. It's equivalent to removing all the fat from a mammal, then acting surprise when the

u/Imallvol7

But it's still boomer policies holding us both back yet Gen z has decided to lean right?

u/kingkongsdingdong420

I was really surprised by the stat because the great recession was brutal. It makes more sense that its just propaganda that we all ate up without thinking

u/nothoughtsnosleep

Gen z men learn right and it's manosphere content causing it

u/kingkongsdingdong420

I was really surprised by the stat because the great recession was brutal. It makes more sense that its just propaganda that we all ate up without thinking

u/Imallvol7

But it's still boomer policies holding us both back yet Gen z has decided to lean right?

u/Kylo_Rens_8pack

Ah, Good luck to you fellow millennial.

u/Fried_out_Kombi

Article on the topic for those interested: https://qz.com/tech-layoffs-tax-code-trump-section-174-microsoft-meta-1851783502?utm_source=reddit.com

u/UAreTheHippopotamus

In tech I'm pretty worried about the future. Most companies aren't hiring many juniors and a lot of the ones that do get in probably rely too heavily on AI. Right now executives are getting r

u/themangastand

It's the billionaires Not sure why you want to blame your grandpa

u/bickid

"... WAS for millenials" Umm, millenials still have to find jobs.

u/Rapier4

I think that is the kind of phrasing many younger/average folks dislike too - "strong economy" & "strong market". Sure sure, for those wealthy people who own a lot of stock, this shit roc

u/Kapowpow

I’m closer to 40 than 30

u/Hendlton

That's how it is in pretty much every profession. IT was special because so few people had relevant degrees that companies had no choice. They hired anyone who could tell them what an if stat

u/RedCoffeeEyes

I'm a millennial and I'm still trying to find work related to my degree after graduating.

u/hagamablabla

Companies are just so short-sighted. They want their entire staff to be senior-level, but they refuse to train anyone to senior level and expect the market to just hand them a perfect candida

u/J0E_Blow

Oftentimes turbulent times do break nations. Compare an 1810s map of Europe to a 1946’s and then 2,000s. Countries aren’t impregnable everlasting entities-they're just an idea.

u/morpo

Omg yes. This group was asked in presumably May “Are you still looking for a job”, with which 58% responded yes. The closest corresponding question for prior groups was “When did you start

u/Jonny_Segment

It's like being in a group stuck on an island with a warehouse half full of food. People in authority are content to just keep eating from the warehouse, while clearly steps need to be taken

u/DragonArchaeologist

How does this make sense when the unemployment rate, at 4.1%, is below what economists consider full employment? Economists are telling us there are more job opening than there are applicants

u/MerkDoctor

It is the billionaires, propped up by Grandpa and uncle Richard voting in the most pro-billionaire candidates every election, Republican or Democrat, but obviously especially Republican.

u/Skitz-Scarekrow

Because that moron voted for policies that got us here.

u/3Dchaos777

“But when are you going to give me grand babies?!” - Boomers

u/OkMap3209

I've had multiple projects where I asked to hire fresh people to train on the team if we were struggling so much to hire experienced people. I was even willing to put the time in to train the

u/Bromlife

Oh you need a month off to recover from surgery? Weird coincidence, we don’t need your role anymore and you’re being made redundant.

u/usaaf

Because when they "calculate" that rate, they exclude anyone who has the hint of a job. Zero hour contract, and you maybe get 5 hours a week ? EMPLOYED. Part-time, but it barely covers your

u/Major_T_Pain

I was denied a job a McDonald's in 2009 bc they told me they didn't trust an Engineering grad would "stick around".... Like they were looking for long term employees at fucking McDonald's

u/bickid

"... WAS for millenials" Umm, millenials still have to find jobs.

u/CoolmanWilkins

I mean, its the same thing as the 1930s. We don't have the great depression but we have the same levels of economic inequality. Back then it seemed like the two choices were fascism and commu

u/zman0900

Repeatedly cutting education funding has certainly been helping things /s

u/Major_T_Pain

I was denied a job a McDonald's in 2009 bc they told me they didn't trust an Engineering grad would "stick around".... Like they were looking for long term employees at fucking McDonald's

u/Bynming

Yep. As a millennial, I try to hire them zoomers whenever I can. The difficulties they have with entering the workforce are overblown, many of us were just as inept if not worse when we start

u/nothoughtsnosleep

Gen z men learn right and it's manosphere content causing it

u/BloodOfJupiter

THANK YOU!! The percentages are extremely misleading, go look at how they asked 2 different groups, 2 different sets of questions

u/swancandle

Unfortunately I've noticed this too, particularly with younger gen-z. Poor social skills, a lack of initiative and problem-solving ability, lots of excuses as to why they can't or won't do so

u/Hendlton

That's how it is in pretty much every profession. IT was special because so few people had relevant degrees that companies had no choice. They hired anyone who could tell them what an if stat

u/zman0900

Repeatedly cutting education funding has certainly been helping things /s

u/zeth0s

It happened in Italy for millennials, due to 2008. By all statistics in Italy millennials had it worse than gen z. It isn't going well. Too many millennials did not have the chance to lear

u/blackheartedmonkey

I’m 39 and have never made more than $25/hr and having been let go like almost 2 years ago from that paid $23, I’m now making. $22 after 3 job changes. Even when I advocate that I have almost

u/SirVanyel

No, it's not. Manosphere BS has been around for a looong time and it hasn't taken hold like this. The global movement to the right is being supported by Gen Z because they're demanding change

u/DulceEtDecorumEst

>I feel bad for all the CS grads that got rug pulled. They did the safe thing and then whoops -- no jobs for you either. The safe thing is medicine, more specifically the procedural heavy

u/jspilly

sounds familiar. Whole generation stalled before it even started. Hard to build anything solid when the ground’s always shifting.

u/KanedaSyndrome

Agree 100 % - Elder millenial here. It's really looking to be some rough years ahead, I predicted this back when we saw chatGPT launch. I fear we're looking into what you describe, unraveli

u/wordwordnumberss

The source for 60% is a "poll" by KickResume, a business that sells resume editing services. Yea, I'd love to see their methodology on this one. This obviously is an article that exists to ma

u/ProdigalSkinFlutist

So, the twin metric to unemployment that any 20 year old undergrad econ student will tell you to look at is employment to population ratio [https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/EMRATIO](https:/

u/Snipero8

Not just in tech, several of my peers and I all noticed 3-5 years of experience type positions in engineering have seemingly vanished (they call them different titles at different companies,

u/morpo

Omg yes. This group was asked in presumably May “Are you still looking for a job”, with which 58% responded yes. The closest corresponding question for prior groups was “When did you start

u/Kapowpow

I’m closer to 40 than 30

u/Rapier4

I think that is the kind of phrasing many younger/average folks dislike too - "strong economy" & "strong market". Sure sure, for those wealthy people who own a lot of stock, this shit roc

u/ceelogreenicanth

I'd say Gen Z is more hungry for employment and less idealistic about employment than millennials. Gen Z I'd say does have some people that are quite incompetent and very confident which is a

u/Naraee

A lot of people don’t realize that part of the US tech labor crash in 2022 was due to some obscure tax code that no longer allowed corporations to write-off 100% of their US-based R&D cos

u/swancandle

Unfortunately I've noticed this too, particularly with younger gen-z. Poor social skills, a lack of initiative and problem-solving ability, lots of excuses as to why they can't or won't do so

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/upyoars: --- > Gen Z’s suspicion that the job hunt is harder than ever may be true—**about 58% of recent graduates are still looking

u/bickid

"... WAS for millenials" Umm, millenials still have to find jobs.

u/ceelogreenicanth

It's weird they are very enthusiastic but don't put any of it towards tasks. They talk a lot about self improvement but ask zero questions. I feel like I've gotten better getting older giving

u/OkMap3209

I've had multiple projects where I asked to hire fresh people to train on the team if we were struggling so much to hire experienced people. I was even willing to put the time in to train the

u/faithOver

This is going to turn out just fantastic for us all. Lets just have an entire generation locked out of the economy. I hate to be catastrophic but this is how societies unravel. You have

u/Naraee

A lot of people don’t realize that part of the US tech labor crash in 2022 was due to some obscure tax code that no longer allowed corporations to write-off 100% of their US-based R&D cos

u/morpo

Omg yes. This group was asked in presumably May “Are you still looking for a job”, with which 58% responded yes. The closest corresponding question for prior groups was “When did you start

u/Kapowpow

I’ve fully given up on dating. Much more peaceful to not even try.

u/soulstaz

It's the COVID generation. I have lots of friends and family in teaching. There's core social skill that they didn't learn because of 2 years of school from zoom. Basically, anyone that were

u/blackheartedmonkey

I’m 39 and have never made more than $25/hr and having been let go like almost 2 years ago from that paid $23, I’m now making. $22 after 3 job changes. Even when I advocate that I have almost

u/JamesTiberiusCrunk

No, millennials graduated into the 2008 financial crisis when unemployment hit 10%. The unemployment rate right now is 4.1%. It is not worse now than it was then.

u/usaaf

Because when they "calculate" that rate, they exclude anyone who has the hint of a job. Zero hour contract, and you maybe get 5 hours a week ? EMPLOYED. Part-time, but it barely covers your

u/doodlinghearsay

> It’s a huge hobby for us and we can spend 10 hours solving a difficult problem, because we can’t sleep until we have a good solution and **we are constantly doing side projects in our f

u/CoolmanWilkins

I mean, its the same thing as the 1930s. We don't have the great depression but we have the same levels of economic inequality. Back then it seemed like the two choices were fascism and commu

u/KanedaSyndrome

Agree 100 % - Elder millenial here. It's really looking to be some rough years ahead, I predicted this back when we saw chatGPT launch. I fear we're looking into what you describe, unraveli

u/DulceEtDecorumEst

>I feel bad for all the CS grads that got rug pulled. They did the safe thing and then whoops -- no jobs for you either. The safe thing is medicine, more specifically the procedural heavy

u/N_thanAU

Is it still the case where every single entry level job is hired as a temporary contractor?

u/Naraee

A lot of people don’t realize that part of the US tech labor crash in 2022 was due to some obscure tax code that no longer allowed corporations to write-off 100% of their US-based R&D cos

u/hobopwnzor

It took until my wife and I were 33 to achieve the level of stability that our parents had in their early 20's. So no wonder it took us so long to decide to have a kid!

u/SirVanyel

No, it's not. Manosphere BS has been around for a looong time and it hasn't taken hold like this. The global movement to the right is being supported by Gen Z because they're demanding change

u/JamesTiberiusCrunk

No, millennials graduated into the 2008 financial crisis when unemployment hit 10%. The unemployment rate right now is 4.1%. It is not worse now than it was then.

u/J0E_Blow

Oftentimes turbulent times do break nations. Compare an 1810s map of Europe to a 1946’s and then 2,000s. Countries aren’t impregnable everlasting entities-they're just an idea.

u/MrPreviz

In the strongest economy ever. This complacency cant keep going yall…

u/Bromlife

Oh you need a month off to recover from surgery? Weird coincidence, we don’t need your role anymore and you’re being made redundant.

u/Xechkos

I mean the relying on AI part is too real though. I am PhD student who does a bunch of TA work, and a lot of the students are using AI for coding. Like, they can understand what the AI writes

u/roygbivasaur

Food is going to be harder to get for unemployed Gen Z without SNAP

u/Kapowpow

I’ve fully given up on dating. Much more peaceful to not even try.

u/kingkongsdingdong420

I was really surprised by the stat because the great recession was brutal. It makes more sense that its just propaganda that we all ate up without thinking

u/themangastand

It's the billionaires Not sure why you want to blame your grandpa

u/ceelogreenicanth

It's weird they are very enthusiastic but don't put any of it towards tasks. They talk a lot about self improvement but ask zero questions. I feel like I've gotten better getting older giving

u/Xechkos

I mean the relying on AI part is too real though. I am PhD student who does a bunch of TA work, and a lot of the students are using AI for coding. Like, they can understand what the AI writes

u/faithOver

This is going to turn out just fantastic for us all. Lets just have an entire generation locked out of the economy. I hate to be catastrophic but this is how societies unravel. You have

u/CrashingAtom

This is one truly strange analogy.

u/soulstaz

It's the COVID generation. I have lots of friends and family in teaching. There's core social skill that they didn't learn because of 2 years of school from zoom. Basically, anyone that were

u/SirVanyel

No, it's not. Manosphere BS has been around for a looong time and it hasn't taken hold like this. The global movement to the right is being supported by Gen Z because they're demanding change

u/SirVanyel

No, it's not. Manosphere BS has been around for a looong time and it hasn't taken hold like this. The global movement to the right is being supported by Gen Z because they're demanding change

u/J0E_Blow

Oftentimes turbulent times do break nations. Compare an 1810s map of Europe to a 1946’s and then 2,000s. Countries aren’t impregnable everlasting entities-they're just an idea.

u/Skitz-Scarekrow

Because that moron voted for policies that got us here.

u/MerkDoctor

It is the billionaires, propped up by Grandpa and uncle Richard voting in the most pro-billionaire candidates every election, Republican or Democrat, but obviously especially Republican.

u/Kerlyle

Yeah, shits gonna get real by the 2030s. Feels like a perfect storm is coming, I just don't see how it will hold altogether.

u/Certain-Hat5152

It’s been trickling down since the 80s It’ll reach us some day

u/HeraldOfRick

Competing with 40 year olds for a McDonald’s/walmart job because there were no jobs was also super fun in 2008.

u/MrPreviz

In the strongest economy ever. This complacency cant keep going yall…

u/Fried_out_Kombi

Article on the topic for those interested: https://qz.com/tech-layoffs-tax-code-trump-section-174-microsoft-meta-1851783502?utm_source=reddit.com

u/Icy_Foundation3534

yo for real we are constantly in and out with little chance of any retirement or pension.

u/huehuehuehuehuuuu

People pull away from what their parents are doing in lean times. It’s a gut reaction, not based on logic. Hey at least this is just about jobs. With all the fires and floods and people kne

u/CaptainMagnets

Billionaires and their minions

u/MustGoOutside

Middle millennial here, graduated college in 08. Got super lucky and got a job. Had a hard time explaining the job market to my parents who didn't seem to understand that while I had one, man

u/DrShadowstrike

Averaging together millenials is going to give some strange results. The oldest millenials (who graduated before the crash) and the youngest millenials (who graduated after the recovery) had

u/huehuehuehuehuuuu

People pull away from what their parents are doing in lean times. It’s a gut reaction, not based on logic. Hey at least this is just about jobs. With all the fires and floods and people kne

u/Kapowpow

I’m closer to 40 than 30

u/Major_T_Pain

As an older millennial, I swear to God I just want to hug all these kids man, shit is so fucked for them it's crazy. Things have to change, We need New ideas. New economics.

u/soulstaz

It's the COVID generation. I have lots of friends and family in teaching. There's core social skill that they didn't learn because of 2 years of school from zoom. Basically, anyone that were

u/swancandle

Unfortunately I've noticed this too, particularly with younger gen-z. Poor social skills, a lack of initiative and problem-solving ability, lots of excuses as to why they can't or won't do so

u/dreamyduskywing

There’s no way it’s worse now than during the Great Recession when the unemployment rate then was roughly double today’s rate.

u/MrPreviz

In the strongest economy ever. This complacency cant keep going yall…

u/Icy_Foundation3534

yo for real we are constantly in and out with little chance of any retirement or pension.

u/00rb

Don't listen to the AI boosterism. I think AI has the potential to change a lot but right now it's just potential and I don't think it's really speeding anything up. It's just regular layof

u/Bynming

Yep. As a millennial, I try to hire them zoomers whenever I can. The difficulties they have with entering the workforce are overblown, many of us were just as inept if not worse when we start

u/hobopwnzor

It took until my wife and I were 33 to achieve the level of stability that our parents had in their early 20's. So no wonder it took us so long to decide to have a kid!

u/roygbivasaur

Food is going to be harder to get for unemployed Gen Z without SNAP

u/Kerlyle

Yeah, shits gonna get real by the 2030s. Feels like a perfect storm is coming, I just don't see how it will hold altogether.

u/HMNbean

Gen Z is a little older than the COVID generation. They were elder teens during covid, not little kids. By then you should know how to communicate, learn stuff etc. I can see the COVID aff

u/DragonArchaeologist

How does this make sense when the unemployment rate, at 4.1%, is below what economists consider full employment? Economists are telling us there are more job opening than there are applicants

u/-Tom-

All job postings are "entry level" (entry level to that company...) and they want that person to have 7-10 years of very specific experience to be able to hit the ground running. They basical

u/RedCoffeeEyes

I'm a millennial and I'm still trying to find work related to my degree after graduating.

u/Kylo_Rens_8pack

Ah, Good luck to you fellow millennial.

u/RedCoffeeEyes

I'm a millennial and I'm still trying to find work related to my degree after graduating.

u/huehuehuehuehuuuu

It won’t be unavailable because of lack of money, but unavailable because of lack of food. Which is far far worse. Because at that point no amount of charity, sharing, loans, good governance,

u/themangastand

It's the billionaires Not sure why you want to blame your grandpa

u/00rb

Don't listen to the AI boosterism. I think AI has the potential to change a lot but right now it's just potential and I don't think it's really speeding anything up. It's just regular layof

u/Lokan

That's the trap of "efficiency" -- every single piece must be producing something profitable at all times. It's equivalent to removing all the fat from a mammal, then acting surprise when the

u/DulceEtDecorumEst

>I feel bad for all the CS grads that got rug pulled. They did the safe thing and then whoops -- no jobs for you either. The safe thing is medicine, more specifically the procedural heavy

u/SirVanyel

No, it's not. Manosphere BS has been around for a looong time and it hasn't taken hold like this. The global movement to the right is being supported by Gen Z because they're demanding change

u/SgtSprinkle

Got out of grad school I 2008. Took my modest savings and moved to Chicago. I used to wake up early and apply to 20-50ish jobs digitally. Then, I'd throw on a suit and just walk the streets

u/Skitz-Scarekrow

Because that moron voted for policies that got us here.

u/Kylo_Rens_8pack

Ah, Good luck to you fellow millennial.

u/upyoars

> Gen Z’s suspicion that the job hunt is harder than ever may be true—**about 58% of recent graduates are still looking for full-time work, compared to 25% of earlier graduates**, like mil

u/dreamyduskywing

There’s no way it’s worse now than during the Great Recession when the unemployment rate then was roughly double today’s rate.

u/00rb

Don't listen to the AI boosterism. I think AI has the potential to change a lot but right now it's just potential and I don't think it's really speeding anything up. It's just regular layof

u/Naraee

A lot of people don’t realize that part of the US tech labor crash in 2022 was due to some obscure tax code that no longer allowed corporations to write-off 100% of their US-based R&D cos

u/hewkii2

Because it’s including people who are not in the workforce: “The first included students about to graduate, recent graduates, and those who have been working for less than a year (referred t

u/ElectricSoapBox

I'm seeing this in tech too. I'm just trying to hang on as long as I can.

u/AgencyBasic3003

I also feel very bad for these people as I am working as an IT Manager. Even during the hype time I always told people to p not rush into an education, just because someone told you it would

u/Major_T_Pain

I was denied a job a McDonald's in 2009 bc they told me they didn't trust an Engineering grad would "stick around".... Like they were looking for long term employees at fucking McDonald's

u/wordwordnumberss

The source for 60% is a "poll" by KickResume, a business that sells resume editing services. Yea, I'd love to see their methodology on this one. This obviously is an article that exists to ma

u/Kylo_Rens_8pack

If I can offer some millennial advice, you have to try harder at relationships these days but it’s better to be the person who reaches out than the person who doesn’t. It’s not in my nature

u/Imallvol7

But it's still boomer policies holding us both back yet Gen z has decided to lean right?

u/morpo

Omg yes. This group was asked in presumably May “Are you still looking for a job”, with which 58% responded yes. The closest corresponding question for prior groups was “When did you start

u/UAreTheHippopotamus

In tech I'm pretty worried about the future. Most companies aren't hiring many juniors and a lot of the ones that do get in probably rely too heavily on AI. Right now executives are getting r

u/themangastand

It's the billionaires Not sure why you want to blame your grandpa

u/Jonny_Segment

It's like being in a group stuck on an island with a warehouse half full of food. People in authority are content to just keep eating from the warehouse, while clearly steps need to be taken

u/ray12370

Always has been for me. I've been in a cycle since I graduated of constantly getting hired as a contractor for a project, promises a full time role career the project finishes, and then getti

u/themangastand

It's the billionaires Not sure why you want to blame your grandpa

u/Lokan

That's the trap of "efficiency" -- every single piece must be producing something profitable at all times. It's equivalent to removing all the fat from a mammal, then acting surprise when the

u/zman0900

Repeatedly cutting education funding has certainly been helping things /s

u/HMNbean

Gen Z is a little older than the COVID generation. They were elder teens during covid, not little kids. By then you should know how to communicate, learn stuff etc. I can see the COVID aff

u/Wayss37

Real, made me realise that dealing with people is just stressful

u/AgencyBasic3003

I also feel very bad for these people as I am working as an IT Manager. Even during the hype time I always told people to p not rush into an education, just because someone told you it would

u/00rb

Don't listen to the AI boosterism. I think AI has the potential to change a lot but right now it's just potential and I don't think it's really speeding anything up. It's just regular layof

u/dreamyduskywing

There’s no way it’s worse now than during the Great Recession when the unemployment rate then was roughly double today’s rate.

u/MerkDoctor

It is the billionaires, propped up by Grandpa and uncle Richard voting in the most pro-billionaire candidates every election, Republican or Democrat, but obviously especially Republican.

u/Kapowpow

I’ve fully given up on dating. Much more peaceful to not even try.

u/ceelogreenicanth

It's weird they are very enthusiastic but don't put any of it towards tasks. They talk a lot about self improvement but ask zero questions. I feel like I've gotten better getting older giving

u/raven00x

Before the sec rules changed in 1982, companies reinvested money in training and development of workers. Since then the training budgets have only shrunk because manipulating the stock marke

u/doodlinghearsay

> It’s a huge hobby for us and we can spend 10 hours solving a difficult problem, because we can’t sleep until we have a good solution and **we are constantly doing side projects in our f

u/Knamakat

You serious? What group do you think overwhelming votes for policies that benefit these billionaires?

u/HeraldOfRick

Competing with 40 year olds for a McDonald’s/walmart job because there were no jobs was also super fun in 2008.

u/Nattekat

It's absolutely insane yea. I just happened to find a company that mainly focuses on fresh graduates as parttime job next to my study, and got a fulltime position after I graduated, but just

u/ceelogreenicanth

It's weird they are very enthusiastic but don't put any of it towards tasks. They talk a lot about self improvement but ask zero questions. I feel like I've gotten better getting older giving

u/Naraee

A lot of people don’t realize that part of the US tech labor crash in 2022 was due to some obscure tax code that no longer allowed corporations to write-off 100% of their US-based R&D cos

u/Lokan

That's the trap of "efficiency" -- every single piece must be producing something profitable at all times. It's equivalent to removing all the fat from a mammal, then acting surprise when the

u/nothoughtsnosleep

Gen z men learn right and it's manosphere content causing it

u/hobopwnzor

As a millennial it was worse for us than our parents and it's gonna be worse for you than it was for us. All downhill baby!

u/Kapowpow

I’ve fully given up on dating. Much more peaceful to not even try.

u/wordwordnumberss

The source for 60% is a "poll" by KickResume, a business that sells resume editing services. Yea, I'd love to see their methodology on this one. This obviously is an article that exists to ma

u/Xechkos

I mean the relying on AI part is too real though. I am PhD student who does a bunch of TA work, and a lot of the students are using AI for coding. Like, they can understand what the AI writes

u/hobopwnzor

It took until my wife and I were 33 to achieve the level of stability that our parents had in their early 20's. So no wonder it took us so long to decide to have a kid!

u/bickid

"... WAS for millenials" Umm, millenials still have to find jobs.

u/Rizza1122

We know! We're on your side gen z, it's the boomers who fucked all this shit we swear! We've only had a majority voting block between us the last couple of years. We were powerless to defeat

u/usaaf

Because when they "calculate" that rate, they exclude anyone who has the hint of a job. Zero hour contract, and you maybe get 5 hours a week ? EMPLOYED. Part-time, but it barely covers your

u/Naraee

A lot of people don’t realize that part of the US tech labor crash in 2022 was due to some obscure tax code that no longer allowed corporations to write-off 100% of their US-based R&D cos

u/Gubekochi

> I swear to God I just want to hug all these kids man, Never let your heart sour to that sentiment. The day we start hating on younger generations is the day we deserve to be placed in

u/Edward_TH

Trump is just a *failed* Berlusconi. Berlusconi was actually a billionaire with all his crime, no lies needed; also he was able to milk the country slowly enough to not make it collapse for d

u/Rapier4

I think that is the kind of phrasing many younger/average folks dislike too - "strong economy" & "strong market". Sure sure, for those wealthy people who own a lot of stock, this shit roc

u/Major_T_Pain

As an older millennial, I swear to God I just want to hug all these kids man, shit is so fucked for them it's crazy. Things have to change, We need New ideas. New economics.

u/faithOver

This is going to turn out just fantastic for us all. Lets just have an entire generation locked out of the economy. I hate to be catastrophic but this is how societies unravel. You have

u/DulceEtDecorumEst

>I feel bad for all the CS grads that got rug pulled. They did the safe thing and then whoops -- no jobs for you either. The safe thing is medicine, more specifically the procedural heavy

u/CoolmanWilkins

I mean, its the same thing as the 1930s. We don't have the great depression but we have the same levels of economic inequality. Back then it seemed like the two choices were fascism and commu

u/TehOwn

>The youth don't want more of the same. They want change, and the right is simply just more radical, so they *seem* to be more supportive of change. Yeah, the radical left have been crush

u/kingkongsdingdong420

I was really surprised by the stat because the great recession was brutal. It makes more sense that its just propaganda that we all ate up without thinking

u/TehOwn

>The youth don't want more of the same. They want change, and the right is simply just more radical, so they *seem* to be more supportive of change. Yeah, the radical left have been crush

u/ceelogreenicanth

It's weird they are very enthusiastic but don't put any of it towards tasks. They talk a lot about self improvement but ask zero questions. I feel like I've gotten better getting older giving

u/DragonArchaeologist

How does this make sense when the unemployment rate, at 4.1%, is below what economists consider full employment? Economists are telling us there are more job opening than there are applicants

u/Kylo_Rens_8pack

Ah, Good luck to you fellow millennial.

u/alternateme

> I know giving big corps tax breaks is not great Easier said than done, but: You hear all the times that 'companies have a legal responsibility to the share holders' - well change the ca

u/olearygreen

6% of my class had a job 6 months after graduation. Six percent. Nobody going to out-victim class of 2008 Millennials.

u/JonathanL73

Yeah if the system is so broken there no way to get a job, even if you have a degree, work hard etc. between ghost jobs, AI automation, massive income inequality guarantees civil unrest. Even

u/Icy_Foundation3534

yo for real we are constantly in and out with little chance of any retirement or pension.

u/Fried_out_Kombi

Article on the topic for those interested: https://qz.com/tech-layoffs-tax-code-trump-section-174-microsoft-meta-1851783502?utm_source=reddit.com

u/HeraldOfRick

Competing with 40 year olds for a McDonald’s/walmart job because there were no jobs was also super fun in 2008.

u/ninjewz

No one is willing to have anyone learn on the job/train anymore. That mid-level is just enough where they can demand higher pay but likely can't just take off running when moving to another c

u/usaaf

Because when they "calculate" that rate, they exclude anyone who has the hint of a job. Zero hour contract, and you maybe get 5 hours a week ? EMPLOYED. Part-time, but it barely covers your

u/swancandle

Unfortunately I've noticed this too, particularly with younger gen-z. Poor social skills, a lack of initiative and problem-solving ability, lots of excuses as to why they can't or won't do so

u/nothoughtsnosleep

The manosphere content has never been pushed this hard before. The internet of today is not the same Internet as even just 10 years ago. New accounts on YouTube are very quickly pushed into m

u/soulstaz

It's the COVID generation. I have lots of friends and family in teaching. There's core social skill that they didn't learn because of 2 years of school from zoom. Basically, anyone that were

u/ceelogreenicanth

I'd say Gen Z is more hungry for employment and less idealistic about employment than millennials. Gen Z I'd say does have some people that are quite incompetent and very confident which is a

u/DDOSBreakfast

The worst part of it is that the US has a better pool of talent compared to much of the world. People with tech skills flee Canada (among other countries) and we lose over half the graduates

u/J0E_Blow

Oftentimes turbulent times do break nations. Compare an 1810s map of Europe to a 1946’s and then 2,000s. Countries aren’t impregnable everlasting entities-they're just an idea.

u/3Dchaos777

“But when are you going to give me grand babies?!” - Boomers

u/TheSolarElite

That’s only a very minor piece of the pie. It’s mainly a result of 1. Right-wing extremism rising within almost all western developed democracies as a result of the stagnation of neoliberal

u/usaaf

Because when they "calculate" that rate, they exclude anyone who has the hint of a job. Zero hour contract, and you maybe get 5 hours a week ? EMPLOYED. Part-time, but it barely covers your

u/Fried_out_Kombi

Article on the topic for those interested: https://qz.com/tech-layoffs-tax-code-trump-section-174-microsoft-meta-1851783502?utm_source=reddit.com

u/huehuehuehuehuuuu

It won’t be unavailable because of lack of money, but unavailable because of lack of food. Which is far far worse. Because at that point no amount of charity, sharing, loans, good governance,

u/kingkongsdingdong420

I was really surprised by the stat because the great recession was brutal. It makes more sense that its just propaganda that we all ate up without thinking

u/olearygreen

6% of my class had a job 6 months after graduation. Six percent. Nobody going to out-victim class of 2008 Millennials.

u/-Tom-

All job postings are "entry level" (entry level to that company...) and they want that person to have 7-10 years of very specific experience to be able to hit the ground running. They basical

u/KanedaSyndrome

Agree 100 % - Elder millenial here. It's really looking to be some rough years ahead, I predicted this back when we saw chatGPT launch. I fear we're looking into what you describe, unraveli

u/Skitz-Scarekrow

Because that moron voted for policies that got us here.

u/Icy_Foundation3534

yo for real we are constantly in and out with little chance of any retirement or pension.

u/Rizza1122

We know! We're on your side gen z, it's the boomers who fucked all this shit we swear! We've only had a majority voting block between us the last couple of years. We were powerless to defeat

u/usaaf

Because when they "calculate" that rate, they exclude anyone who has the hint of a job. Zero hour contract, and you maybe get 5 hours a week ? EMPLOYED. Part-time, but it barely covers your

u/Bromlife

Oh you need a month off to recover from surgery? Weird coincidence, we don’t need your role anymore and you’re being made redundant.

u/SgtSprinkle

Got out of grad school I 2008. Took my modest savings and moved to Chicago. I used to wake up early and apply to 20-50ish jobs digitally. Then, I'd throw on a suit and just walk the streets

u/huehuehuehuehuuuu

People pull away from what their parents are doing in lean times. It’s a gut reaction, not based on logic. Hey at least this is just about jobs. With all the fires and floods and people kne

u/Icy_Foundation3534

yo for real we are constantly in and out with little chance of any retirement or pension.

u/DragonArchaeologist

How does this make sense when the unemployment rate, at 4.1%, is below what economists consider full employment? Economists are telling us there are more job opening than there are applicants

u/AgencyBasic3003

I also feel very bad for these people as I am working as an IT Manager. Even during the hype time I always told people to p not rush into an education, just because someone told you it would

u/Pert02

Then they do not understand it.

u/DulceEtDecorumEst

Payers will assume Radiologists are using AI tools and reimbursements will go down, radiologists will be expected to read more for less pay per study. Less radiologists are needed per hospita

u/Knamakat

You serious? What group do you think overwhelming votes for policies that benefit these billionaires?

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/upyoars: --- > Gen Z’s suspicion that the job hunt is harder than ever may be true—**about 58% of recent graduates are still looking

u/N_thanAU

Is it still the case where every single entry level job is hired as a temporary contractor?

u/zman0900

Repeatedly cutting education funding has certainly been helping things /s

u/Gubekochi

> I swear to God I just want to hug all these kids man, Never let your heart sour to that sentiment. The day we start hating on younger generations is the day we deserve to be placed in

u/-Tom-

All job postings are "entry level" (entry level to that company...) and they want that person to have 7-10 years of very specific experience to be able to hit the ground running. They basical

u/JamesTiberiusCrunk

No, millennials graduated into the 2008 financial crisis when unemployment hit 10%. The unemployment rate right now is 4.1%. It is not worse now than it was then.

u/Imallvol7

But it's still boomer policies holding us both back yet Gen z has decided to lean right?

u/hobopwnzor

As a millennial it was worse for us than our parents and it's gonna be worse for you than it was for us. All downhill baby!

u/Kylo_Rens_8pack

If I can offer some millennial advice, you have to try harder at relationships these days but it’s better to be the person who reaches out than the person who doesn’t. It’s not in my nature

u/upyoars

> Gen Z’s suspicion that the job hunt is harder than ever may be true—**about 58% of recent graduates are still looking for full-time work, compared to 25% of earlier graduates**, like mil

u/hewkii2

Because it’s including people who are not in the workforce: “The first included students about to graduate, recent graduates, and those who have been working for less than a year (referred t

u/ceelogreenicanth

I'd say Gen Z is more hungry for employment and less idealistic about employment than millennials. Gen Z I'd say does have some people that are quite incompetent and very confident which is a

u/Hendlton

That's how it is in pretty much every profession. IT was special because so few people had relevant degrees that companies had no choice. They hired anyone who could tell them what an if stat

u/zeth0s

It happened in Italy for millennials, due to 2008. By all statistics in Italy millennials had it worse than gen z. It isn't going well. Too many millennials did not have the chance to lear

u/nothoughtsnosleep

Gen z men learn right and it's manosphere content causing it

u/J0E_Blow

Oftentimes turbulent times do break nations. Compare an 1810s map of Europe to a 1946’s and then 2,000s. Countries aren’t impregnable everlasting entities-they're just an idea.

u/00rb

It's going to be real bad. I feel bad for all the CS grads that got rug pulled. They did the safe thing and then whoops -- no jobs for you either. Not to mention how bad the dating world i

u/CrashingAtom

This is one truly strange analogy.

u/haneulk7789

The article is talking mostly about people specifically looking for jobs after graduating college.

u/hagamablabla

Companies are just so short-sighted. They want their entire staff to be senior-level, but they refuse to train anyone to senior level and expect the market to just hand them a perfect candida

u/kingkongsdingdong420

I was really surprised by the stat because the great recession was brutal. It makes more sense that its just propaganda that we all ate up without thinking

u/Wayss37

Real, made me realise that dealing with people is just stressful

u/Snipero8

Not just in tech, several of my peers and I all noticed 3-5 years of experience type positions in engineering have seemingly vanished (they call them different titles at different companies,

u/Nattekat

It's absolutely insane yea. I just happened to find a company that mainly focuses on fresh graduates as parttime job next to my study, and got a fulltime position after I graduated, but just

u/CrashingAtom

This is one truly strange analogy.

u/Pert02

Then they do not understand it.

u/DragonArchaeologist

How does this make sense when the unemployment rate, at 4.1%, is below what economists consider full employment? Economists are telling us there are more job opening than there are applicants

u/Wayss37

Real, made me realise that dealing with people is just stressful

u/RedCoffeeEyes

I'm a millennial and I'm still trying to find work related to my degree after graduating.

u/Major_T_Pain

I was denied a job a McDonald's in 2009 bc they told me they didn't trust an Engineering grad would "stick around".... Like they were looking for long term employees at fucking McDonald's

u/HMNbean

Gen Z is a little older than the COVID generation. They were elder teens during covid, not little kids. By then you should know how to communicate, learn stuff etc. I can see the COVID aff

u/ProdigalSkinFlutist

So, the twin metric to unemployment that any 20 year old undergrad econ student will tell you to look at is employment to population ratio [https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/EMRATIO](https:/

u/Sarctoth

And when the food eventually runs out, it will be everyone elses fault.

u/doodlinghearsay

> It’s a huge hobby for us and we can spend 10 hours solving a difficult problem, because we can’t sleep until we have a good solution and **we are constantly doing side projects in our f

u/Major_T_Pain

I was denied a job a McDonald's in 2009 bc they told me they didn't trust an Engineering grad would "stick around".... Like they were looking for long term employees at fucking McDonald's

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/upyoars: --- > Gen Z’s suspicion that the job hunt is harder than ever may be true—**about 58% of recent graduates are still looking

u/TheSolarElite

That’s only a very minor piece of the pie. It’s mainly a result of 1. Right-wing extremism rising within almost all western developed democracies as a result of the stagnation of neoliberal

u/Bromlife

Oh you need a month off to recover from surgery? Weird coincidence, we don’t need your role anymore and you’re being made redundant.

u/Icy_Foundation3534

yo for real we are constantly in and out with little chance of any retirement or pension.

u/Wayss37

Real, made me realise that dealing with people is just stressful

u/N_thanAU

Is it still the case where every single entry level job is hired as a temporary contractor?

u/usaaf

Because when they "calculate" that rate, they exclude anyone who has the hint of a job. Zero hour contract, and you maybe get 5 hours a week ? EMPLOYED. Part-time, but it barely covers your

u/LineRex

As a millennial it's far worse now, even with a degree and closing in on a decade of experience, than it was when I was 18 or just after getting my degree lol. Navigating the listing boards i

u/Crypt33x

Yeah they refuse to train the next generation to their level and then retire without replacement. Whole infrastructure sector is suffering from this.

u/ProdigalSkinFlutist

So, the twin metric to unemployment that any 20 year old undergrad econ student will tell you to look at is employment to population ratio [https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/EMRATIO](https:/

u/swancandle

Unfortunately I've noticed this too, particularly with younger gen-z. Poor social skills, a lack of initiative and problem-solving ability, lots of excuses as to why they can't or won't do so

u/ElectricSoapBox

I'm seeing this in tech too. I'm just trying to hang on as long as I can.

u/nothoughtsnosleep

Gen z men learn right and it's manosphere content causing it

u/zman0900

Repeatedly cutting education funding has certainly been helping things /s

u/upyoars

> Gen Z’s suspicion that the job hunt is harder than ever may be true—**about 58% of recent graduates are still looking for full-time work, compared to 25% of earlier graduates**, like mil

u/Kerlyle

Yeah, shits gonna get real by the 2030s. Feels like a perfect storm is coming, I just don't see how it will hold altogether.

u/JonathanL73

Yeah if the system is so broken there no way to get a job, even if you have a degree, work hard etc. between ghost jobs, AI automation, massive income inequality guarantees civil unrest. Even

u/KanedaSyndrome

Agree 100 % - Elder millenial here. It's really looking to be some rough years ahead, I predicted this back when we saw chatGPT launch. I fear we're looking into what you describe, unraveli

u/Bynming

Yep. As a millennial, I try to hire them zoomers whenever I can. The difficulties they have with entering the workforce are overblown, many of us were just as inept if not worse when we start

u/Bynming

Yep. As a millennial, I try to hire them zoomers whenever I can. The difficulties they have with entering the workforce are overblown, many of us were just as inept if not worse when we start

u/itchylol742

stop calling out the misinformation, you're getting in the way of radicalization

u/Kapowpow

I’ve fully given up on dating. Much more peaceful to not even try.

u/zeth0s

It happened in Italy for millennials, due to 2008. By all statistics in Italy millennials had it worse than gen z. It isn't going well. Too many millennials did not have the chance to lear

u/-Tom-

All job postings are "entry level" (entry level to that company...) and they want that person to have 7-10 years of very specific experience to be able to hit the ground running. They basical

u/hewkii2

Because it’s including people who are not in the workforce: “The first included students about to graduate, recent graduates, and those who have been working for less than a year (referred t

u/SeeShark

Apt, though. No one wants to invest in the future of human capital.

u/hobopwnzor

As a millennial it was worse for us than our parents and it's gonna be worse for you than it was for us. All downhill baby!

u/ray12370

Always has been for me. I've been in a cycle since I graduated of constantly getting hired as a contractor for a project, promises a full time role career the project finishes, and then getti

u/swancandle

Unfortunately I've noticed this too, particularly with younger gen-z. Poor social skills, a lack of initiative and problem-solving ability, lots of excuses as to why they can't or won't do so

u/DrShadowstrike

Averaging together millenials is going to give some strange results. The oldest millenials (who graduated before the crash) and the youngest millenials (who graduated after the recovery) had

u/Jonny_Segment

It's like being in a group stuck on an island with a warehouse half full of food. People in authority are content to just keep eating from the warehouse, while clearly steps need to be taken

u/Rapier4

I think that is the kind of phrasing many younger/average folks dislike too - "strong economy" & "strong market". Sure sure, for those wealthy people who own a lot of stock, this shit roc

u/00rb

It's going to be real bad. I feel bad for all the CS grads that got rug pulled. They did the safe thing and then whoops -- no jobs for you either. Not to mention how bad the dating world i

u/DDOSBreakfast

The worst part of it is that the US has a better pool of talent compared to much of the world. People with tech skills flee Canada (among other countries) and we lose over half the graduates

u/-Tom-

All job postings are "entry level" (entry level to that company...) and they want that person to have 7-10 years of very specific experience to be able to hit the ground running. They basical

u/BloodOfJupiter

THANK YOU!! The percentages are extremely misleading, go look at how they asked 2 different groups, 2 different sets of questions

u/hobopwnzor

As a millennial it was worse for us than our parents and it's gonna be worse for you than it was for us. All downhill baby!

u/ray12370

Always has been for me. I've been in a cycle since I graduated of constantly getting hired as a contractor for a project, promises a full time role career the project finishes, and then getti

u/00rb

It's going to be real bad. I feel bad for all the CS grads that got rug pulled. They did the safe thing and then whoops -- no jobs for you either. Not to mention how bad the dating world i

u/Jonny_Segment

It's like being in a group stuck on an island with a warehouse half full of food. People in authority are content to just keep eating from the warehouse, while clearly steps need to be taken

u/Wayss37

Real, made me realise that dealing with people is just stressful

u/Kylo_Rens_8pack

If I can offer some millennial advice, you have to try harder at relationships these days but it’s better to be the person who reaches out than the person who doesn’t. It’s not in my nature

u/HMNbean

Gen Z is a little older than the COVID generation. They were elder teens during covid, not little kids. By then you should know how to communicate, learn stuff etc. I can see the COVID aff

u/blackheartedmonkey

I’m 39 and have never made more than $25/hr and having been let go like almost 2 years ago from that paid $23, I’m now making. $22 after 3 job changes. Even when I advocate that I have almost

u/AgencyBasic3003

I also feel very bad for these people as I am working as an IT Manager. Even during the hype time I always told people to p not rush into an education, just because someone told you it would

u/itchylol742

stop calling out the misinformation, you're getting in the way of radicalization

u/haneulk7789

The article is talking mostly about people specifically looking for jobs after graduating college.

u/Knamakat

You serious? What group do you think overwhelming votes for policies that benefit these billionaires?

u/LineRex

As a millennial it's far worse now, even with a degree and closing in on a decade of experience, than it was when I was 18 or just after getting my degree lol. Navigating the listing boards i

u/Naraee

A lot of people don’t realize that part of the US tech labor crash in 2022 was due to some obscure tax code that no longer allowed corporations to write-off 100% of their US-based R&D cos

u/usaaf

Because when they "calculate" that rate, they exclude anyone who has the hint of a job. Zero hour contract, and you maybe get 5 hours a week ? EMPLOYED. Part-time, but it barely covers your

u/Icy_Foundation3534

yo for real we are constantly in and out with little chance of any retirement or pension.

u/AgencyBasic3003

I also feel very bad for these people as I am working as an IT Manager. Even during the hype time I always told people to p not rush into an education, just because someone told you it would

u/Rizza1122

We know! We're on your side gen z, it's the boomers who fucked all this shit we swear! We've only had a majority voting block between us the last couple of years. We were powerless to defeat

u/Sarctoth

And when the food eventually runs out, it will be everyone elses fault.

u/00rb

Don't listen to the AI boosterism. I think AI has the potential to change a lot but right now it's just potential and I don't think it's really speeding anything up. It's just regular layof

u/renewambitions

There are a combination of factors contributing to this: The tax code allowing write-offs being changed in 2022 was devastating for US-based hiring, but there is also a genuine issue finding

u/DDOSBreakfast

The worst part of it is that the US has a better pool of talent compared to much of the world. People with tech skills flee Canada (among other countries) and we lose over half the graduates

u/blackheartedmonkey

I’m 39 and have never made more than $25/hr and having been let go like almost 2 years ago from that paid $23, I’m now making. $22 after 3 job changes. Even when I advocate that I have almost

u/olearygreen

6% of my class had a job 6 months after graduation. Six percent. Nobody going to out-victim class of 2008 Millennials.

u/JonathanL73

Yeah if the system is so broken there no way to get a job, even if you have a degree, work hard etc. between ghost jobs, AI automation, massive income inequality guarantees civil unrest. Even

u/renewambitions

There are a combination of factors contributing to this: The tax code allowing write-offs being changed in 2022 was devastating for US-based hiring, but there is also a genuine issue finding

u/ceelogreenicanth

It's weird they are very enthusiastic but don't put any of it towards tasks. They talk a lot about self improvement but ask zero questions. I feel like I've gotten better getting older giving

u/huehuehuehuehuuuu

It won’t be unavailable because of lack of money, but unavailable because of lack of food. Which is far far worse. Because at that point no amount of charity, sharing, loans, good governance,

u/TehOwn

>The youth don't want more of the same. They want change, and the right is simply just more radical, so they *seem* to be more supportive of change. Yeah, the radical left have been crush

u/DDOSBreakfast

The worst part of it is that the US has a better pool of talent compared to much of the world. People with tech skills flee Canada (among other countries) and we lose over half the graduates

u/Imallvol7

But it's still boomer policies holding us both back yet Gen z has decided to lean right?

u/OkMap3209

I've had multiple projects where I asked to hire fresh people to train on the team if we were struggling so much to hire experienced people. I was even willing to put the time in to train the

u/TheSolarElite

That’s only a very minor piece of the pie. It’s mainly a result of 1. Right-wing extremism rising within almost all western developed democracies as a result of the stagnation of neoliberal

u/TheSolarElite

That’s only a very minor piece of the pie. It’s mainly a result of 1. Right-wing extremism rising within almost all western developed democracies as a result of the stagnation of neoliberal

u/Bynming

Yep. As a millennial, I try to hire them zoomers whenever I can. The difficulties they have with entering the workforce are overblown, many of us were just as inept if not worse when we start

u/Hendlton

That's how it is in pretty much every profession. IT was special because so few people had relevant degrees that companies had no choice. They hired anyone who could tell them what an if stat

u/blackheartedmonkey

I’m 39 and have never made more than $25/hr and having been let go like almost 2 years ago from that paid $23, I’m now making. $22 after 3 job changes. Even when I advocate that I have almost

u/ElectricSoapBox

I'm seeing this in tech too. I'm just trying to hang on as long as I can.

u/J0E_Blow

Oftentimes turbulent times do break nations. Compare an 1810s map of Europe to a 1946’s and then 2,000s. Countries aren’t impregnable everlasting entities-they're just an idea.

u/Major_T_Pain

As an older millennial, I swear to God I just want to hug all these kids man, shit is so fucked for them it's crazy. Things have to change, We need New ideas. New economics.

u/Rizza1122

We know! We're on your side gen z, it's the boomers who fucked all this shit we swear! We've only had a majority voting block between us the last couple of years. We were powerless to defeat

u/00rb

It's going to be real bad. I feel bad for all the CS grads that got rug pulled. They did the safe thing and then whoops -- no jobs for you either. Not to mention how bad the dating world i

u/TheSolarElite

That’s only a very minor piece of the pie. It’s mainly a result of 1. Right-wing extremism rising within almost all western developed democracies as a result of the stagnation of neoliberal

u/Imallvol7

But it's still boomer policies holding us both back yet Gen z has decided to lean right?

u/raven00x

Before the sec rules changed in 1982, companies reinvested money in training and development of workers. Since then the training budgets have only shrunk because manipulating the stock marke

u/JonathanL73

Yeah if the system is so broken there no way to get a job, even if you have a degree, work hard etc. between ghost jobs, AI automation, massive income inequality guarantees civil unrest. Even

u/ninjewz

No one is willing to have anyone learn on the job/train anymore. That mid-level is just enough where they can demand higher pay but likely can't just take off running when moving to another c

u/zeth0s

It happened in Italy for millennials, due to 2008. By all statistics in Italy millennials had it worse than gen z. It isn't going well. Too many millennials did not have the chance to lear

u/Lokan

That's the trap of "efficiency" -- every single piece must be producing something profitable at all times. It's equivalent to removing all the fat from a mammal, then acting surprise when the

u/Wayss37

Real, made me realise that dealing with people is just stressful

u/-Tom-

All job postings are "entry level" (entry level to that company...) and they want that person to have 7-10 years of very specific experience to be able to hit the ground running. They basical

u/renewambitions

There are a combination of factors contributing to this: The tax code allowing write-offs being changed in 2022 was devastating for US-based hiring, but there is also a genuine issue finding

u/Ryboiii

Shit man the art and animation industry has basically been consisting of hobbyists and enthusiasts for the greater part of its lifespan. The AI thats being built now is solely relied on work

u/doodlinghearsay

> It’s a huge hobby for us and we can spend 10 hours solving a difficult problem, because we can’t sleep until we have a good solution and **we are constantly doing side projects in our f

u/Pert02

Then they do not understand it.

u/3Dchaos777

Yup. 33 is the new 23. Truly insane.

u/TheSolarElite

That’s only a very minor piece of the pie. It’s mainly a result of 1. Right-wing extremism rising within almost all western developed democracies as a result of the stagnation of neoliberal

u/kingkongsdingdong420

I was really surprised by the stat because the great recession was brutal. It makes more sense that its just propaganda that we all ate up without thinking

u/Skitz-Scarekrow

Because that moron voted for policies that got us here.

u/itchylol742

stop calling out the misinformation, you're getting in the way of radicalization

u/SgtSprinkle

Got out of grad school I 2008. Took my modest savings and moved to Chicago. I used to wake up early and apply to 20-50ish jobs digitally. Then, I'd throw on a suit and just walk the streets

u/hagamablabla

Companies are just so short-sighted. They want their entire staff to be senior-level, but they refuse to train anyone to senior level and expect the market to just hand them a perfect candida

u/LineRex

As a millennial it's far worse now, even with a degree and closing in on a decade of experience, than it was when I was 18 or just after getting my degree lol. Navigating the listing boards i

u/TehOwn

>The youth don't want more of the same. They want change, and the right is simply just more radical, so they *seem* to be more supportive of change. Yeah, the radical left have been crush

u/Legitimate_Page659

Radiology as a field won’t die out, but we’ll need fewer radiologists if AI makes a radiologist more efficient.

u/Knamakat

You serious? What group do you think overwhelming votes for policies that benefit these billionaires?

u/upyoars

> Gen Z’s suspicion that the job hunt is harder than ever may be true—**about 58% of recent graduates are still looking for full-time work, compared to 25% of earlier graduates**, like mil

u/EQBallzz

Let's be real. It's not just the kids. I'm old AF and I'm having similar problems. Buying a house was always just out of reach. Just laid off at 57. Too old to find anything close to what I w

u/3Dchaos777

Yup. 33 is the new 23. Truly insane.

u/olearygreen

6% of my class had a job 6 months after graduation. Six percent. Nobody going to out-victim class of 2008 Millennials.

u/Nattekat

It's absolutely insane yea. I just happened to find a company that mainly focuses on fresh graduates as parttime job next to my study, and got a fulltime position after I graduated, but just

u/DulceEtDecorumEst

>I feel bad for all the CS grads that got rug pulled. They did the safe thing and then whoops -- no jobs for you either. The safe thing is medicine, more specifically the procedural heavy

u/OkMap3209

I've had multiple projects where I asked to hire fresh people to train on the team if we were struggling so much to hire experienced people. I was even willing to put the time in to train the

u/Kapowpow

I’m closer to 40 than 30

u/N_thanAU

Is it still the case where every single entry level job is hired as a temporary contractor?

u/Rizza1122

We know! We're on your side gen z, it's the boomers who fucked all this shit we swear! We've only had a majority voting block between us the last couple of years. We were powerless to defeat

u/TheSolarElite

That’s only a very minor piece of the pie. It’s mainly a result of 1. Right-wing extremism rising within almost all western developed democracies as a result of the stagnation of neoliberal

u/BloodOfJupiter

THANK YOU!! The percentages are extremely misleading, go look at how they asked 2 different groups, 2 different sets of questions

u/Jonny_Segment

It's like being in a group stuck on an island with a warehouse half full of food. People in authority are content to just keep eating from the warehouse, while clearly steps need to be taken

u/SgtSprinkle

Got out of grad school I 2008. Took my modest savings and moved to Chicago. I used to wake up early and apply to 20-50ish jobs digitally. Then, I'd throw on a suit and just walk the streets

u/CrashingAtom

This is one truly strange analogy.

u/Pert02

Then they do not understand it.

u/J0E_Blow

Oftentimes turbulent times do break nations. Compare an 1810s map of Europe to a 1946’s and then 2,000s. Countries aren’t impregnable everlasting entities-they're just an idea.

u/Edward_TH

Trump is just a *failed* Berlusconi. Berlusconi was actually a billionaire with all his crime, no lies needed; also he was able to milk the country slowly enough to not make it collapse for d

u/alternateme

> I know giving big corps tax breaks is not great Easier said than done, but: You hear all the times that 'companies have a legal responsibility to the share holders' - well change the ca

u/olearygreen

6% of my class had a job 6 months after graduation. Six percent. Nobody going to out-victim class of 2008 Millennials.

u/Rizza1122

I'm saying that I believe them that everything continues to get shitter and harder every year. We gotta work together to shut out the boomers votes.

u/TheSolarElite

That’s only a very minor piece of the pie. It’s mainly a result of 1. Right-wing extremism rising within almost all western developed democracies as a result of the stagnation of neoliberal

u/Wayss37

Real, made me realise that dealing with people is just stressful

u/SirVanyel

No, it's not. Manosphere BS has been around for a looong time and it hasn't taken hold like this. The global movement to the right is being supported by Gen Z because they're demanding change

u/N_thanAU

Is it still the case where every single entry level job is hired as a temporary contractor?

u/Edward_TH

Trump is just a *failed* Berlusconi. Berlusconi was actually a billionaire with all his crime, no lies needed; also he was able to milk the country slowly enough to not make it collapse for d

u/bickid

"... WAS for millenials" Umm, millenials still have to find jobs.

u/Xechkos

I mean the relying on AI part is too real though. I am PhD student who does a bunch of TA work, and a lot of the students are using AI for coding. Like, they can understand what the AI writes

u/DragonArchaeologist

How does this make sense when the unemployment rate, at 4.1%, is below what economists consider full employment? Economists are telling us there are more job opening than there are applicants

u/SeeShark

Apt, though. No one wants to invest in the future of human capital.

u/TheSolarElite

That’s only a very minor piece of the pie. It’s mainly a result of 1. Right-wing extremism rising within almost all western developed democracies as a result of the stagnation of neoliberal

u/HMNbean

Gen Z is a little older than the COVID generation. They were elder teens during covid, not little kids. By then you should know how to communicate, learn stuff etc. I can see the COVID aff

u/olearygreen

6% of my class had a job 6 months after graduation. Six percent. Nobody going to out-victim class of 2008 Millennials.

u/Kylo_Rens_8pack

If I can offer some millennial advice, you have to try harder at relationships these days but it’s better to be the person who reaches out than the person who doesn’t. It’s not in my nature

u/faithOver

This is going to turn out just fantastic for us all. Lets just have an entire generation locked out of the economy. I hate to be catastrophic but this is how societies unravel. You have

u/Nattekat

It's absolutely insane yea. I just happened to find a company that mainly focuses on fresh graduates as parttime job next to my study, and got a fulltime position after I graduated, but just

u/3Dchaos777

Yup. 33 is the new 23. Truly insane.

u/Sarctoth

And when the food eventually runs out, it will be everyone elses fault.

u/HMNbean

Gen Z is a little older than the COVID generation. They were elder teens during covid, not little kids. By then you should know how to communicate, learn stuff etc. I can see the COVID aff

u/OkMap3209

I've had multiple projects where I asked to hire fresh people to train on the team if we were struggling so much to hire experienced people. I was even willing to put the time in to train the

u/EQBallzz

Let's be real. It's not just the kids. I'm old AF and I'm having similar problems. Buying a house was always just out of reach. Just laid off at 57. Too old to find anything close to what I w

u/Rapier4

I think that is the kind of phrasing many younger/average folks dislike too - "strong economy" & "strong market". Sure sure, for those wealthy people who own a lot of stock, this shit roc

u/itchylol742

stop calling out the misinformation, you're getting in the way of radicalization

u/nothoughtsnosleep

Gen z men learn right and it's manosphere content causing it

u/Pert02

Then they do not understand it.

u/morpo

Omg yes. This group was asked in presumably May “Are you still looking for a job”, with which 58% responded yes. The closest corresponding question for prior groups was “When did you start

u/Kylo_Rens_8pack

If I can offer some millennial advice, you have to try harder at relationships these days but it’s better to be the person who reaches out than the person who doesn’t. It’s not in my nature

u/everett640

Skeleton crews are killing like this are killing the economy. You need a couple of people on the team that don't really have anything to do, and have them constantly training. People leave, p

u/themangastand

It's the billionaires Not sure why you want to blame your grandpa

u/hobopwnzor

It took until my wife and I were 33 to achieve the level of stability that our parents had in their early 20's. So no wonder it took us so long to decide to have a kid!

u/haneulk7789

The article is talking mostly about people specifically looking for jobs after graduating college.

u/morpo

Omg yes. This group was asked in presumably May “Are you still looking for a job”, with which 58% responded yes. The closest corresponding question for prior groups was “When did you start

u/00rb

It's going to be real bad. I feel bad for all the CS grads that got rug pulled. They did the safe thing and then whoops -- no jobs for you either. Not to mention how bad the dating world i

u/huehuehuehuehuuuu

People pull away from what their parents are doing in lean times. It’s a gut reaction, not based on logic. Hey at least this is just about jobs. With all the fires and floods and people kne

u/DrShadowstrike

Averaging together millenials is going to give some strange results. The oldest millenials (who graduated before the crash) and the youngest millenials (who graduated after the recovery) had

u/ceelogreenicanth

I'd say Gen Z is more hungry for employment and less idealistic about employment than millennials. Gen Z I'd say does have some people that are quite incompetent and very confident which is a

u/SeeShark

Apt, though. No one wants to invest in the future of human capital.

u/ceelogreenicanth

It's weird they are very enthusiastic but don't put any of it towards tasks. They talk a lot about self improvement but ask zero questions. I feel like I've gotten better getting older giving

u/haneulk7789

The article is talking mostly about people specifically looking for jobs after graduating college.

u/DulceEtDecorumEst

>I feel bad for all the CS grads that got rug pulled. They did the safe thing and then whoops -- no jobs for you either. The safe thing is medicine, more specifically the procedural heavy

u/Kylo_Rens_8pack

Ah, Good luck to you fellow millennial.

u/Kylo_Rens_8pack

Ah, Good luck to you fellow millennial.

u/Xechkos

I mean the relying on AI part is too real though. I am PhD student who does a bunch of TA work, and a lot of the students are using AI for coding. Like, they can understand what the AI writes

u/jspilly

sounds familiar. Whole generation stalled before it even started. Hard to build anything solid when the ground’s always shifting.

u/BloodOfJupiter

THANK YOU!! The percentages are extremely misleading, go look at how they asked 2 different groups, 2 different sets of questions

u/SeeShark

Apt, though. No one wants to invest in the future of human capital.

u/SeeShark

Apt, though. No one wants to invest in the future of human capital.

u/SeeShark

Apt, though. No one wants to invest in the future of human capital.

u/hewkii2

Because it’s including people who are not in the workforce: “The first included students about to graduate, recent graduates, and those who have been working for less than a year (referred t

u/huehuehuehuehuuuu

People pull away from what their parents are doing in lean times. It’s a gut reaction, not based on logic. Hey at least this is just about jobs. With all the fires and floods and people kne

u/hobopwnzor

It took until my wife and I were 33 to achieve the level of stability that our parents had in their early 20's. So no wonder it took us so long to decide to have a kid!

u/BloodOfJupiter

THANK YOU!! The percentages are extremely misleading, go look at how they asked 2 different groups, 2 different sets of questions

u/dreamyduskywing

There’s no way it’s worse now than during the Great Recession when the unemployment rate then was roughly double today’s rate.

u/Pretend-Marsupial258

Yeah, but at least the billionaires got more tax credits so it all worked out.

u/zman0900

Repeatedly cutting education funding has certainly been helping things /s

u/hobopwnzor

It took until my wife and I were 33 to achieve the level of stability that our parents had in their early 20's. So no wonder it took us so long to decide to have a kid!

u/huehuehuehuehuuuu

People pull away from what their parents are doing in lean times. It’s a gut reaction, not based on logic. Hey at least this is just about jobs. With all the fires and floods and people kne

u/RedCoffeeEyes

I'm a millennial and I'm still trying to find work related to my degree after graduating.

u/Imallvol7

But it's still boomer policies holding us both back yet Gen z has decided to lean right?

u/hagamablabla

Companies are just so short-sighted. They want their entire staff to be senior-level, but they refuse to train anyone to senior level and expect the market to just hand them a perfect candida

u/Bynming

Yep. As a millennial, I try to hire them zoomers whenever I can. The difficulties they have with entering the workforce are overblown, many of us were just as inept if not worse when we start

u/Snipero8

Not just in tech, several of my peers and I all noticed 3-5 years of experience type positions in engineering have seemingly vanished (they call them different titles at different companies,

u/LineRex

As a millennial it's far worse now, even with a degree and closing in on a decade of experience, than it was when I was 18 or just after getting my degree lol. Navigating the listing boards i

u/3Dchaos777

“But when are you going to give me grand babies?!” - Boomers

u/3Dchaos777

Yup. 33 is the new 23. Truly insane.

u/MerkDoctor

It is the billionaires, propped up by Grandpa and uncle Richard voting in the most pro-billionaire candidates every election, Republican or Democrat, but obviously especially Republican.

u/Hendlton

That's how it is in pretty much every profession. IT was special because so few people had relevant degrees that companies had no choice. They hired anyone who could tell them what an if stat

u/Naraee

A lot of people don’t realize that part of the US tech labor crash in 2022 was due to some obscure tax code that no longer allowed corporations to write-off 100% of their US-based R&D cos

u/hewkii2

Because it’s including people who are not in the workforce: “The first included students about to graduate, recent graduates, and those who have been working for less than a year (referred t

u/UAreTheHippopotamus

In tech I'm pretty worried about the future. Most companies aren't hiring many juniors and a lot of the ones that do get in probably rely too heavily on AI. Right now executives are getting r

u/everett640

Skeleton crews are killing like this are killing the economy. You need a couple of people on the team that don't really have anything to do, and have them constantly training. People leave, p

u/Gubekochi

> I swear to God I just want to hug all these kids man, Never let your heart sour to that sentiment. The day we start hating on younger generations is the day we deserve to be placed in

u/hagamablabla

Companies are just so short-sighted. They want their entire staff to be senior-level, but they refuse to train anyone to senior level and expect the market to just hand them a perfect candida

u/nothoughtsnosleep

Gen z men learn right and it's manosphere content causing it

u/haneulk7789

The article is talking mostly about people specifically looking for jobs after graduating college.

u/doodlinghearsay

> It’s a huge hobby for us and we can spend 10 hours solving a difficult problem, because we can’t sleep until we have a good solution and **we are constantly doing side projects in our f

u/KanedaSyndrome

Agree 100 % - Elder millenial here. It's really looking to be some rough years ahead, I predicted this back when we saw chatGPT launch. I fear we're looking into what you describe, unraveli

u/AgencyBasic3003

I also feel very bad for these people as I am working as an IT Manager. Even during the hype time I always told people to p not rush into an education, just because someone told you it would

u/Snipero8

Not just in tech, several of my peers and I all noticed 3-5 years of experience type positions in engineering have seemingly vanished (they call them different titles at different companies,

u/Hendlton

That's how it is in pretty much every profession. IT was special because so few people had relevant degrees that companies had no choice. They hired anyone who could tell them what an if stat

u/Sarctoth

And when the food eventually runs out, it will be everyone elses fault.

u/CrashingAtom

This is one truly strange analogy.

u/Kapowpow

I’m closer to 40 than 30

u/ray12370

Always has been for me. I've been in a cycle since I graduated of constantly getting hired as a contractor for a project, promises a full time role career the project finishes, and then getti

u/Kapowpow

I’ve fully given up on dating. Much more peaceful to not even try.

u/AgencyBasic3003

I also feel very bad for these people as I am working as an IT Manager. Even during the hype time I always told people to p not rush into an education, just because someone told you it would

u/dreamyduskywing

There’s no way it’s worse now than during the Great Recession when the unemployment rate then was roughly double today’s rate.

u/Crypt33x

Yeah they refuse to train the next generation to their level and then retire without replacement. Whole infrastructure sector is suffering from this.

u/ninjewz

No one is willing to have anyone learn on the job/train anymore. That mid-level is just enough where they can demand higher pay but likely can't just take off running when moving to another c

u/Lokan

That's the trap of "efficiency" -- every single piece must be producing something profitable at all times. It's equivalent to removing all the fat from a mammal, then acting surprise when the

u/EQBallzz

Let's be real. It's not just the kids. I'm old AF and I'm having similar problems. Buying a house was always just out of reach. Just laid off at 57. Too old to find anything close to what I w

u/Kerlyle

Yeah, shits gonna get real by the 2030s. Feels like a perfect storm is coming, I just don't see how it will hold altogether.

u/swancandle

Unfortunately I've noticed this too, particularly with younger gen-z. Poor social skills, a lack of initiative and problem-solving ability, lots of excuses as to why they can't or won't do so

u/DrShadowstrike

Averaging together millenials is going to give some strange results. The oldest millenials (who graduated before the crash) and the youngest millenials (who graduated after the recovery) had

u/Kerlyle

Yeah, shits gonna get real by the 2030s. Feels like a perfect storm is coming, I just don't see how it will hold altogether.

u/LineRex

As a millennial it's far worse now, even with a degree and closing in on a decade of experience, than it was when I was 18 or just after getting my degree lol. Navigating the listing boards i

u/swancandle

Unfortunately I've noticed this too, particularly with younger gen-z. Poor social skills, a lack of initiative and problem-solving ability, lots of excuses as to why they can't or won't do so

u/upyoars

> Gen Z’s suspicion that the job hunt is harder than ever may be true—**about 58% of recent graduates are still looking for full-time work, compared to 25% of earlier graduates**, like mil

u/JamesTiberiusCrunk

No, millennials graduated into the 2008 financial crisis when unemployment hit 10%. The unemployment rate right now is 4.1%. It is not worse now than it was then.

u/everett640

Skeleton crews are killing like this are killing the economy. You need a couple of people on the team that don't really have anything to do, and have them constantly training. People leave, p

u/CaptainMagnets

Billionaires and their minions

u/faithOver

This is going to turn out just fantastic for us all. Lets just have an entire generation locked out of the economy. I hate to be catastrophic but this is how societies unravel. You have

u/everett640

Skeleton crews are killing like this are killing the economy. You need a couple of people on the team that don't really have anything to do, and have them constantly training. People leave, p

u/ElectricSoapBox

I'm seeing this in tech too. I'm just trying to hang on as long as I can.

u/CrashingAtom

This is one truly strange analogy.

u/zeth0s

It happened in Italy for millennials, due to 2008. By all statistics in Italy millennials had it worse than gen z. It isn't going well. Too many millennials did not have the chance to lear

u/Snipero8

Not just in tech, several of my peers and I all noticed 3-5 years of experience type positions in engineering have seemingly vanished (they call them different titles at different companies,

u/TehOwn

>The youth don't want more of the same. They want change, and the right is simply just more radical, so they *seem* to be more supportive of change. Yeah, the radical left have been crush

u/ceelogreenicanth

It's weird they are very enthusiastic but don't put any of it towards tasks. They talk a lot about self improvement but ask zero questions. I feel like I've gotten better getting older giving

u/ProdigalSkinFlutist

So, the twin metric to unemployment that any 20 year old undergrad econ student will tell you to look at is employment to population ratio [https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/EMRATIO](https:/

u/Jonny_Segment

It's like being in a group stuck on an island with a warehouse half full of food. People in authority are content to just keep eating from the warehouse, while clearly steps need to be taken

u/HeraldOfRick

Competing with 40 year olds for a McDonald’s/walmart job because there were no jobs was also super fun in 2008.

u/blackheartedmonkey

I’m 39 and have never made more than $25/hr and having been let go like almost 2 years ago from that paid $23, I’m now making. $22 after 3 job changes. Even when I advocate that I have almost

u/Major_T_Pain

As an older millennial, I swear to God I just want to hug all these kids man, shit is so fucked for them it's crazy. Things have to change, We need New ideas. New economics.

u/CaptainMagnets

Billionaires and their minions

u/itchylol742

stop calling out the misinformation, you're getting in the way of radicalization

u/DrShadowstrike

Averaging together millenials is going to give some strange results. The oldest millenials (who graduated before the crash) and the youngest millenials (who graduated after the recovery) had

u/CoolmanWilkins

I mean, its the same thing as the 1930s. We don't have the great depression but we have the same levels of economic inequality. Back then it seemed like the two choices were fascism and commu

u/ceelogreenicanth

I'd say Gen Z is more hungry for employment and less idealistic about employment than millennials. Gen Z I'd say does have some people that are quite incompetent and very confident which is a

u/soulstaz

It's the COVID generation. I have lots of friends and family in teaching. There's core social skill that they didn't learn because of 2 years of school from zoom. Basically, anyone that were

u/Xechkos

I mean the relying on AI part is too real though. I am PhD student who does a bunch of TA work, and a lot of the students are using AI for coding. Like, they can understand what the AI writes

u/DrShadowstrike

Averaging together millenials is going to give some strange results. The oldest millenials (who graduated before the crash) and the youngest millenials (who graduated after the recovery) had

u/Fried_out_Kombi

Article on the topic for those interested: https://qz.com/tech-layoffs-tax-code-trump-section-174-microsoft-meta-1851783502?utm_source=reddit.com

u/Kapowpow

I’ve fully given up on dating. Much more peaceful to not even try.

u/00rb

It's going to be real bad. I feel bad for all the CS grads that got rug pulled. They did the safe thing and then whoops -- no jobs for you either. Not to mention how bad the dating world i

u/JonathanL73

Yeah if the system is so broken there no way to get a job, even if you have a degree, work hard etc. between ghost jobs, AI automation, massive income inequality guarantees civil unrest. Even

u/CoolmanWilkins

I mean, its the same thing as the 1930s. We don't have the great depression but we have the same levels of economic inequality. Back then it seemed like the two choices were fascism and commu

u/Crypt33x

Yeah they refuse to train the next generation to their level and then retire without replacement. Whole infrastructure sector is suffering from this.

u/Xechkos

I mean the relying on AI part is too real though. I am PhD student who does a bunch of TA work, and a lot of the students are using AI for coding. Like, they can understand what the AI writes

u/Wayss37

Real, made me realise that dealing with people is just stressful

u/3Dchaos777

Yup. 33 is the new 23. Truly insane.

u/hobopwnzor

As a millennial it was worse for us than our parents and it's gonna be worse for you than it was for us. All downhill baby!

u/kingkongsdingdong420

I was really surprised by the stat because the great recession was brutal. It makes more sense that its just propaganda that we all ate up without thinking

u/everett640

Skeleton crews are killing like this are killing the economy. You need a couple of people on the team that don't really have anything to do, and have them constantly training. People leave, p

u/huehuehuehuehuuuu

It won’t be unavailable because of lack of money, but unavailable because of lack of food. Which is far far worse. Because at that point no amount of charity, sharing, loans, good governance,

u/Hendlton

That's how it is in pretty much every profession. IT was special because so few people had relevant degrees that companies had no choice. They hired anyone who could tell them what an if stat

u/MerkDoctor

It is the billionaires, propped up by Grandpa and uncle Richard voting in the most pro-billionaire candidates every election, Republican or Democrat, but obviously especially Republican.

u/CaptainMagnets

Billionaires and their minions

u/Kylo_Rens_8pack

Ah, Good luck to you fellow millennial.

u/BloodOfJupiter

THANK YOU!! The percentages are extremely misleading, go look at how they asked 2 different groups, 2 different sets of questions

u/BloodOfJupiter

THANK YOU!! The percentages are extremely misleading, go look at how they asked 2 different groups, 2 different sets of questions

u/hagamablabla

Companies are just so short-sighted. They want their entire staff to be senior-level, but they refuse to train anyone to senior level and expect the market to just hand them a perfect candida

u/Major_T_Pain

I was denied a job a McDonald's in 2009 bc they told me they didn't trust an Engineering grad would "stick around".... Like they were looking for long term employees at fucking McDonald's

u/huehuehuehuehuuuu

People pull away from what their parents are doing in lean times. It’s a gut reaction, not based on logic. Hey at least this is just about jobs. With all the fires and floods and people kne

u/zman0900

Repeatedly cutting education funding has certainly been helping things /s

u/everett640

Skeleton crews are killing like this are killing the economy. You need a couple of people on the team that don't really have anything to do, and have them constantly training. People leave, p

u/MrPreviz

In the strongest economy ever. This complacency cant keep going yall…

u/TehOwn

>The youth don't want more of the same. They want change, and the right is simply just more radical, so they *seem* to be more supportive of change. Yeah, the radical left have been crush

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/upyoars: --- > Gen Z’s suspicion that the job hunt is harder than ever may be true—**about 58% of recent graduates are still looking

u/bickid

"... WAS for millenials" Umm, millenials still have to find jobs.

u/zeth0s

It happened in Italy for millennials, due to 2008. By all statistics in Italy millennials had it worse than gen z. It isn't going well. Too many millennials did not have the chance to lear

u/Gubekochi

> I swear to God I just want to hug all these kids man, Never let your heart sour to that sentiment. The day we start hating on younger generations is the day we deserve to be placed in

u/RedCoffeeEyes

I'm a millennial and I'm still trying to find work related to my degree after graduating.

u/DrShadowstrike

Averaging together millenials is going to give some strange results. The oldest millenials (who graduated before the crash) and the youngest millenials (who graduated after the recovery) had

u/HeraldOfRick

Competing with 40 year olds for a McDonald’s/walmart job because there were no jobs was also super fun in 2008.

u/CaptainMagnets

Billionaires and their minions

u/wordwordnumberss

The source for 60% is a "poll" by KickResume, a business that sells resume editing services. Yea, I'd love to see their methodology on this one. This obviously is an article that exists to ma

u/soulstaz

It's the COVID generation. I have lots of friends and family in teaching. There's core social skill that they didn't learn because of 2 years of school from zoom. Basically, anyone that were

u/Knamakat

You serious? What group do you think overwhelming votes for policies that benefit these billionaires?

u/Pert02

Then they do not understand it.

u/jspilly

sounds familiar. Whole generation stalled before it even started. Hard to build anything solid when the ground’s always shifting.

u/zeth0s

It happened in Italy for millennials, due to 2008. By all statistics in Italy millennials had it worse than gen z. It isn't going well. Too many millennials did not have the chance to lear

u/3Dchaos777

“But when are you going to give me grand babies?!” - Boomers

u/bickid

"... WAS for millenials" Umm, millenials still have to find jobs.

u/HMNbean

Gen Z is a little older than the COVID generation. They were elder teens during covid, not little kids. By then you should know how to communicate, learn stuff etc. I can see the COVID aff

u/Edward_TH

Trump is just a *failed* Berlusconi. Berlusconi was actually a billionaire with all his crime, no lies needed; also he was able to milk the country slowly enough to not make it collapse for d

u/usaaf

Because when they "calculate" that rate, they exclude anyone who has the hint of a job. Zero hour contract, and you maybe get 5 hours a week ? EMPLOYED. Part-time, but it barely covers your

u/raven00x

Before the sec rules changed in 1982, companies reinvested money in training and development of workers. Since then the training budgets have only shrunk because manipulating the stock marke

u/SgtSprinkle

Got out of grad school I 2008. Took my modest savings and moved to Chicago. I used to wake up early and apply to 20-50ish jobs digitally. Then, I'd throw on a suit and just walk the streets

u/RedCoffeeEyes

I'm a millennial and I'm still trying to find work related to my degree after graduating.

u/huehuehuehuehuuuu

It won’t be unavailable because of lack of money, but unavailable because of lack of food. Which is far far worse. Because at that point no amount of charity, sharing, loans, good governance,

u/DragonArchaeologist

How does this make sense when the unemployment rate, at 4.1%, is below what economists consider full employment? Economists are telling us there are more job opening than there are applicants

u/upyoars

> Gen Z’s suspicion that the job hunt is harder than ever may be true—**about 58% of recent graduates are still looking for full-time work, compared to 25% of earlier graduates**, like mil

u/00rb

Don't listen to the AI boosterism. I think AI has the potential to change a lot but right now it's just potential and I don't think it's really speeding anything up. It's just regular layof

u/ninjewz

No one is willing to have anyone learn on the job/train anymore. That mid-level is just enough where they can demand higher pay but likely can't just take off running when moving to another c

u/itchylol742

stop calling out the misinformation, you're getting in the way of radicalization

u/huehuehuehuehuuuu

It won’t be unavailable because of lack of money, but unavailable because of lack of food. Which is far far worse. Because at that point no amount of charity, sharing, loans, good governance,

u/Gubekochi

> I swear to God I just want to hug all these kids man, Never let your heart sour to that sentiment. The day we start hating on younger generations is the day we deserve to be placed in

u/trouzy

The numbers suggest elder millennials had it worse from the pure finding a job perspective during the Great Recession. However, gen z is massively under employed now comparatively. A bach

u/LineRex

As a millennial it's far worse now, even with a degree and closing in on a decade of experience, than it was when I was 18 or just after getting my degree lol. Navigating the listing boards i

u/DrShadowstrike

Averaging together millenials is going to give some strange results. The oldest millenials (who graduated before the crash) and the youngest millenials (who graduated after the recovery) had

u/HMNbean

Gen Z is a little older than the COVID generation. They were elder teens during covid, not little kids. By then you should know how to communicate, learn stuff etc. I can see the COVID aff

u/BloodOfJupiter

THANK YOU!! The percentages are extremely misleading, go look at how they asked 2 different groups, 2 different sets of questions

u/hobopwnzor

It took until my wife and I were 33 to achieve the level of stability that our parents had in their early 20's. So no wonder it took us so long to decide to have a kid!

u/Imallvol7

But it's still boomer policies holding us both back yet Gen z has decided to lean right?

u/CrashingAtom

This is one truly strange analogy.

u/Fried_out_Kombi

Article on the topic for those interested: https://qz.com/tech-layoffs-tax-code-trump-section-174-microsoft-meta-1851783502?utm_source=reddit.com

u/roygbivasaur

Food is going to be harder to get for unemployed Gen Z without SNAP

u/TehOwn

>The youth don't want more of the same. They want change, and the right is simply just more radical, so they *seem* to be more supportive of change. Yeah, the radical left have been crush

u/Kerlyle

Yeah, shits gonna get real by the 2030s. Feels like a perfect storm is coming, I just don't see how it will hold altogether.

u/N_thanAU

Is it still the case where every single entry level job is hired as a temporary contractor?

u/Bynming

Yep. As a millennial, I try to hire them zoomers whenever I can. The difficulties they have with entering the workforce are overblown, many of us were just as inept if not worse when we start

u/Imallvol7

But it's still boomer policies holding us both back yet Gen z has decided to lean right?

u/HeraldOfRick

Competing with 40 year olds for a McDonald’s/walmart job because there were no jobs was also super fun in 2008.

u/themangastand

It's the billionaires Not sure why you want to blame your grandpa

u/MrPreviz

In the strongest economy ever. This complacency cant keep going yall…

u/LineRex

As a millennial it's far worse now, even with a degree and closing in on a decade of experience, than it was when I was 18 or just after getting my degree lol. Navigating the listing boards i

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/upyoars: --- > Gen Z’s suspicion that the job hunt is harder than ever may be true—**about 58% of recent graduates are still looking

u/kingkongsdingdong420

I was really surprised by the stat because the great recession was brutal. It makes more sense that its just propaganda that we all ate up without thinking

u/Fried_out_Kombi

Article on the topic for those interested: https://qz.com/tech-layoffs-tax-code-trump-section-174-microsoft-meta-1851783502?utm_source=reddit.com

u/ProdigalSkinFlutist

So, the twin metric to unemployment that any 20 year old undergrad econ student will tell you to look at is employment to population ratio [https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/EMRATIO](https:/

u/ElectricSoapBox

I'm seeing this in tech too. I'm just trying to hang on as long as I can.

u/Edward_TH

Trump is just a *failed* Berlusconi. Berlusconi was actually a billionaire with all his crime, no lies needed; also he was able to milk the country slowly enough to not make it collapse for d

u/Kylo_Rens_8pack

Ah, Good luck to you fellow millennial.

u/CaptainMagnets

Billionaires and their minions

u/JonathanL73

Yeah if the system is so broken there no way to get a job, even if you have a degree, work hard etc. between ghost jobs, AI automation, massive income inequality guarantees civil unrest. Even

u/wordwordnumberss

The source for 60% is a "poll" by KickResume, a business that sells resume editing services. Yea, I'd love to see their methodology on this one. This obviously is an article that exists to ma

u/SirVanyel

No, it's not. Manosphere BS has been around for a looong time and it hasn't taken hold like this. The global movement to the right is being supported by Gen Z because they're demanding change

u/DragonArchaeologist

How does this make sense when the unemployment rate, at 4.1%, is below what economists consider full employment? Economists are telling us there are more job opening than there are applicants

u/ray12370

Always has been for me. I've been in a cycle since I graduated of constantly getting hired as a contractor for a project, promises a full time role career the project finishes, and then getti

u/huehuehuehuehuuuu

It won’t be unavailable because of lack of money, but unavailable because of lack of food. Which is far far worse. Because at that point no amount of charity, sharing, loans, good governance,

u/hobopwnzor

As a millennial it was worse for us than our parents and it's gonna be worse for you than it was for us. All downhill baby!

u/-Tom-

All job postings are "entry level" (entry level to that company...) and they want that person to have 7-10 years of very specific experience to be able to hit the ground running. They basical

u/CoolmanWilkins

I mean, its the same thing as the 1930s. We don't have the great depression but we have the same levels of economic inequality. Back then it seemed like the two choices were fascism and commu

u/00rb

It's going to be real bad. I feel bad for all the CS grads that got rug pulled. They did the safe thing and then whoops -- no jobs for you either. Not to mention how bad the dating world i

u/jspilly

sounds familiar. Whole generation stalled before it even started. Hard to build anything solid when the ground’s always shifting.

u/HeraldOfRick

Competing with 40 year olds for a McDonald’s/walmart job because there were no jobs was also super fun in 2008.

u/alternateme

> I know giving big corps tax breaks is not great Easier said than done, but: You hear all the times that 'companies have a legal responsibility to the share holders' - well change the ca

u/UAreTheHippopotamus

In tech I'm pretty worried about the future. Most companies aren't hiring many juniors and a lot of the ones that do get in probably rely too heavily on AI. Right now executives are getting r

u/roygbivasaur

Food is going to be harder to get for unemployed Gen Z without SNAP

u/Skitz-Scarekrow

Because that moron voted for policies that got us here.

u/HeraldOfRick

Competing with 40 year olds for a McDonald’s/walmart job because there were no jobs was also super fun in 2008.

u/renewambitions

There are a combination of factors contributing to this: The tax code allowing write-offs being changed in 2022 was devastating for US-based hiring, but there is also a genuine issue finding

u/TheSolarElite

That’s only a very minor piece of the pie. It’s mainly a result of 1. Right-wing extremism rising within almost all western developed democracies as a result of the stagnation of neoliberal

u/UAreTheHippopotamus

In tech I'm pretty worried about the future. Most companies aren't hiring many juniors and a lot of the ones that do get in probably rely too heavily on AI. Right now executives are getting r

u/JamesTiberiusCrunk

No, millennials graduated into the 2008 financial crisis when unemployment hit 10%. The unemployment rate right now is 4.1%. It is not worse now than it was then.

u/MerkDoctor

It is the billionaires, propped up by Grandpa and uncle Richard voting in the most pro-billionaire candidates every election, Republican or Democrat, but obviously especially Republican.

u/itchylol742

stop calling out the misinformation, you're getting in the way of radicalization

u/nothoughtsnosleep

Gen z men learn right and it's manosphere content causing it

u/wordwordnumberss

The source for 60% is a "poll" by KickResume, a business that sells resume editing services. Yea, I'd love to see their methodology on this one. This obviously is an article that exists to ma

u/roygbivasaur

Food is going to be harder to get for unemployed Gen Z without SNAP

u/JonathanL73

Yeah if the system is so broken there no way to get a job, even if you have a degree, work hard etc. between ghost jobs, AI automation, massive income inequality guarantees civil unrest. Even

u/Kapowpow

I’ve fully given up on dating. Much more peaceful to not even try.

u/-Tom-

All job postings are "entry level" (entry level to that company...) and they want that person to have 7-10 years of very specific experience to be able to hit the ground running. They basical

u/N_thanAU

Is it still the case where every single entry level job is hired as a temporary contractor?

u/ElectricSoapBox

I'm seeing this in tech too. I'm just trying to hang on as long as I can.

u/AgencyBasic3003

I also feel very bad for these people as I am working as an IT Manager. Even during the hype time I always told people to p not rush into an education, just because someone told you it would

u/HMNbean

Gen Z is a little older than the COVID generation. They were elder teens during covid, not little kids. By then you should know how to communicate, learn stuff etc. I can see the COVID aff

u/wordwordnumberss

The source for 60% is a "poll" by KickResume, a business that sells resume editing services. Yea, I'd love to see their methodology on this one. This obviously is an article that exists to ma

u/Crypt33x

Yeah they refuse to train the next generation to their level and then retire without replacement. Whole infrastructure sector is suffering from this.

u/themangastand

It's the billionaires Not sure why you want to blame your grandpa

u/Xechkos

I mean the relying on AI part is too real though. I am PhD student who does a bunch of TA work, and a lot of the students are using AI for coding. Like, they can understand what the AI writes

u/OkMap3209

I've had multiple projects where I asked to hire fresh people to train on the team if we were struggling so much to hire experienced people. I was even willing to put the time in to train the

u/zeth0s

It happened in Italy for millennials, due to 2008. By all statistics in Italy millennials had it worse than gen z. It isn't going well. Too many millennials did not have the chance to lear

u/DulceEtDecorumEst

>I feel bad for all the CS grads that got rug pulled. They did the safe thing and then whoops -- no jobs for you either. The safe thing is medicine, more specifically the procedural heavy

u/swancandle

Unfortunately I've noticed this too, particularly with younger gen-z. Poor social skills, a lack of initiative and problem-solving ability, lots of excuses as to why they can't or won't do so

u/SgtSprinkle

Got out of grad school I 2008. Took my modest savings and moved to Chicago. I used to wake up early and apply to 20-50ish jobs digitally. Then, I'd throw on a suit and just walk the streets

u/upyoars

> Gen Z’s suspicion that the job hunt is harder than ever may be true—**about 58% of recent graduates are still looking for full-time work, compared to 25% of earlier graduates**, like mil

u/Bromlife

Oh you need a month off to recover from surgery? Weird coincidence, we don’t need your role anymore and you’re being made redundant.

u/DulceEtDecorumEst

>I feel bad for all the CS grads that got rug pulled. They did the safe thing and then whoops -- no jobs for you either. The safe thing is medicine, more specifically the procedural heavy

u/SeeShark

Apt, though. No one wants to invest in the future of human capital.

u/MerkDoctor

It is the billionaires, propped up by Grandpa and uncle Richard voting in the most pro-billionaire candidates every election, Republican or Democrat, but obviously especially Republican.

u/roygbivasaur

Food is going to be harder to get for unemployed Gen Z without SNAP

u/MustGoOutside

Middle millennial here, graduated college in 08. Got super lucky and got a job. Had a hard time explaining the job market to my parents who didn't seem to understand that while I had one, man

u/Wayss37

Real, made me realise that dealing with people is just stressful

u/3Dchaos777

“But when are you going to give me grand babies?!” - Boomers

u/Icy_Foundation3534

yo for real we are constantly in and out with little chance of any retirement or pension.

u/J0E_Blow

Oftentimes turbulent times do break nations. Compare an 1810s map of Europe to a 1946’s and then 2,000s. Countries aren’t impregnable everlasting entities-they're just an idea.

u/SeeShark

Apt, though. No one wants to invest in the future of human capital.

u/Imallvol7

But it's still boomer policies holding us both back yet Gen z has decided to lean right?

u/daynomate

The context is as new graduates. As it was for millennials when in the same stage of life / age bracket.

u/N_thanAU

Is it still the case where every single entry level job is hired as a temporary contractor?

u/3Dchaos777

Yup. 33 is the new 23. Truly insane.

u/renewambitions

There are a combination of factors contributing to this: The tax code allowing write-offs being changed in 2022 was devastating for US-based hiring, but there is also a genuine issue finding

u/faithOver

This is going to turn out just fantastic for us all. Lets just have an entire generation locked out of the economy. I hate to be catastrophic but this is how societies unravel. You have

u/Kapowpow

I’m closer to 40 than 30

u/3Dchaos777

“But when are you going to give me grand babies?!” - Boomers

u/Knamakat

You serious? What group do you think overwhelming votes for policies that benefit these billionaires?

u/Bromlife

Oh you need a month off to recover from surgery? Weird coincidence, we don’t need your role anymore and you’re being made redundant.

u/wordwordnumberss

The source for 60% is a "poll" by KickResume, a business that sells resume editing services. Yea, I'd love to see their methodology on this one. This obviously is an article that exists to ma

u/haneulk7789

The article is talking mostly about people specifically looking for jobs after graduating college.

u/alternateme

> I know giving big corps tax breaks is not great Easier said than done, but: You hear all the times that 'companies have a legal responsibility to the share holders' - well change the ca

u/Crypt33x

Yeah they refuse to train the next generation to their level and then retire without replacement. Whole infrastructure sector is suffering from this.

u/Fried_out_Kombi

Article on the topic for those interested: https://qz.com/tech-layoffs-tax-code-trump-section-174-microsoft-meta-1851783502?utm_source=reddit.com

u/AgencyBasic3003

I also feel very bad for these people as I am working as an IT Manager. Even during the hype time I always told people to p not rush into an education, just because someone told you it would

u/ninjewz

No one is willing to have anyone learn on the job/train anymore. That mid-level is just enough where they can demand higher pay but likely can't just take off running when moving to another c

u/usaaf

Because when they "calculate" that rate, they exclude anyone who has the hint of a job. Zero hour contract, and you maybe get 5 hours a week ? EMPLOYED. Part-time, but it barely covers your

u/renewambitions

There are a combination of factors contributing to this: The tax code allowing write-offs being changed in 2022 was devastating for US-based hiring, but there is also a genuine issue finding

u/Crypt33x

Yeah they refuse to train the next generation to their level and then retire without replacement. Whole infrastructure sector is suffering from this.

u/themangastand

It's the billionaires Not sure why you want to blame your grandpa

u/ElectricSoapBox

I'm seeing this in tech too. I'm just trying to hang on as long as I can.

u/ads7w6

I don't want to get into an argument of who had it worse because it is unimportant but the numbers show that 2010 was worse for recent college grads than it is now. The unemployment rate for

u/Nattekat

It's absolutely insane yea. I just happened to find a company that mainly focuses on fresh graduates as parttime job next to my study, and got a fulltime position after I graduated, but just

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/upyoars: --- > Gen Z’s suspicion that the job hunt is harder than ever may be true—**about 58% of recent graduates are still looking

u/JamesTiberiusCrunk

No, millennials graduated into the 2008 financial crisis when unemployment hit 10%. The unemployment rate right now is 4.1%. It is not worse now than it was then.

u/Knamakat

You serious? What group do you think overwhelming votes for policies that benefit these billionaires?

u/upyoars

> Gen Z’s suspicion that the job hunt is harder than ever may be true—**about 58% of recent graduates are still looking for full-time work, compared to 25% of earlier graduates**, like mil

u/bickid

"... WAS for millenials" Umm, millenials still have to find jobs.

u/Pert02

Then they do not understand it.

u/hewkii2

Because it’s including people who are not in the workforce: “The first included students about to graduate, recent graduates, and those who have been working for less than a year (referred t

u/Rapier4

I think that is the kind of phrasing many younger/average folks dislike too - "strong economy" & "strong market". Sure sure, for those wealthy people who own a lot of stock, this shit roc

u/Kylo_Rens_8pack

If I can offer some millennial advice, you have to try harder at relationships these days but it’s better to be the person who reaches out than the person who doesn’t. It’s not in my nature

u/Sarctoth

And when the food eventually runs out, it will be everyone elses fault.

u/godisanelectricolive

What you’re describing isn’t really the radical left though, no matter what the media says. The fact the media describe fairly moderate reformists as “radicals” is a sign that Overton window

u/haneulk7789

The article is talking mostly about people specifically looking for jobs after graduating college.

u/3Dchaos777

Yup. 33 is the new 23. Truly insane.

u/Snipero8

Not just in tech, several of my peers and I all noticed 3-5 years of experience type positions in engineering have seemingly vanished (they call them different titles at different companies,

u/OkMap3209

I've had multiple projects where I asked to hire fresh people to train on the team if we were struggling so much to hire experienced people. I was even willing to put the time in to train the

u/hobopwnzor

As a millennial it was worse for us than our parents and it's gonna be worse for you than it was for us. All downhill baby!

u/DulceEtDecorumEst

>I feel bad for all the CS grads that got rug pulled. They did the safe thing and then whoops -- no jobs for you either. The safe thing is medicine, more specifically the procedural heavy

u/ninjewz

No one is willing to have anyone learn on the job/train anymore. That mid-level is just enough where they can demand higher pay but likely can't just take off running when moving to another c

u/soulstaz

It's the COVID generation. I have lots of friends and family in teaching. There's core social skill that they didn't learn because of 2 years of school from zoom. Basically, anyone that were

u/UAreTheHippopotamus

In tech I'm pretty worried about the future. Most companies aren't hiring many juniors and a lot of the ones that do get in probably rely too heavily on AI. Right now executives are getting r

u/Gubekochi

> I swear to God I just want to hug all these kids man, Never let your heart sour to that sentiment. The day we start hating on younger generations is the day we deserve to be placed in

u/Nattekat

It's absolutely insane yea. I just happened to find a company that mainly focuses on fresh graduates as parttime job next to my study, and got a fulltime position after I graduated, but just

u/CaptainMagnets

Billionaires and their minions

u/doodlinghearsay

> It’s a huge hobby for us and we can spend 10 hours solving a difficult problem, because we can’t sleep until we have a good solution and **we are constantly doing side projects in our f

u/Snipero8

Not just in tech, several of my peers and I all noticed 3-5 years of experience type positions in engineering have seemingly vanished (they call them different titles at different companies,

u/SirVanyel

No, it's not. Manosphere BS has been around for a looong time and it hasn't taken hold like this. The global movement to the right is being supported by Gen Z because they're demanding change

u/Snipero8

Not just in tech, several of my peers and I all noticed 3-5 years of experience type positions in engineering have seemingly vanished (they call them different titles at different companies,

u/Major_T_Pain

As an older millennial, I swear to God I just want to hug all these kids man, shit is so fucked for them it's crazy. Things have to change, We need New ideas. New economics.

u/roygbivasaur

Food is going to be harder to get for unemployed Gen Z without SNAP

u/Rizza1122

We know! We're on your side gen z, it's the boomers who fucked all this shit we swear! We've only had a majority voting block between us the last couple of years. We were powerless to defeat

u/3Dchaos777

Yup. 33 is the new 23. Truly insane.

u/renewambitions

There are a combination of factors contributing to this: The tax code allowing write-offs being changed in 2022 was devastating for US-based hiring, but there is also a genuine issue finding

u/everett640

Skeleton crews are killing like this are killing the economy. You need a couple of people on the team that don't really have anything to do, and have them constantly training. People leave, p

u/hobopwnzor

As a millennial it was worse for us than our parents and it's gonna be worse for you than it was for us. All downhill baby!

u/jspilly

sounds familiar. Whole generation stalled before it even started. Hard to build anything solid when the ground’s always shifting.

u/Knamakat

You serious? What group do you think overwhelming votes for policies that benefit these billionaires?

u/N_thanAU

Is it still the case where every single entry level job is hired as a temporary contractor?

u/EQBallzz

Let's be real. It's not just the kids. I'm old AF and I'm having similar problems. Buying a house was always just out of reach. Just laid off at 57. Too old to find anything close to what I w

u/KanedaSyndrome

Agree 100 % - Elder millenial here. It's really looking to be some rough years ahead, I predicted this back when we saw chatGPT launch. I fear we're looking into what you describe, unraveli

u/faithOver

This is going to turn out just fantastic for us all. Lets just have an entire generation locked out of the economy. I hate to be catastrophic but this is how societies unravel. You have

u/LineRex

As a millennial it's far worse now, even with a degree and closing in on a decade of experience, than it was when I was 18 or just after getting my degree lol. Navigating the listing boards i

u/CoolmanWilkins

I mean, its the same thing as the 1930s. We don't have the great depression but we have the same levels of economic inequality. Back then it seemed like the two choices were fascism and commu

u/hewkii2

Because it’s including people who are not in the workforce: “The first included students about to graduate, recent graduates, and those who have been working for less than a year (referred t

u/Naraee

A lot of people don’t realize that part of the US tech labor crash in 2022 was due to some obscure tax code that no longer allowed corporations to write-off 100% of their US-based R&D cos

u/Sarctoth

And when the food eventually runs out, it will be everyone elses fault.

u/TehOwn

>The youth don't want more of the same. They want change, and the right is simply just more radical, so they *seem* to be more supportive of change. Yeah, the radical left have been crush

u/olearygreen

6% of my class had a job 6 months after graduation. Six percent. Nobody going to out-victim class of 2008 Millennials.

u/ElectricSoapBox

I'm seeing this in tech too. I'm just trying to hang on as long as I can.

u/CaptainMagnets

Billionaires and their minions

u/Crypt33x

Yeah they refuse to train the next generation to their level and then retire without replacement. Whole infrastructure sector is suffering from this.

u/EQBallzz

Let's be real. It's not just the kids. I'm old AF and I'm having similar problems. Buying a house was always just out of reach. Just laid off at 57. Too old to find anything close to what I w

u/OkMap3209

I've had multiple projects where I asked to hire fresh people to train on the team if we were struggling so much to hire experienced people. I was even willing to put the time in to train the

u/Major_T_Pain

As an older millennial, I swear to God I just want to hug all these kids man, shit is so fucked for them it's crazy. Things have to change, We need New ideas. New economics.

u/3Dchaos777

Yup. 33 is the new 23. Truly insane.

u/Sarctoth

And when the food eventually runs out, it will be everyone elses fault.

u/hagamablabla

Companies are just so short-sighted. They want their entire staff to be senior-level, but they refuse to train anyone to senior level and expect the market to just hand them a perfect candida

u/DragonArchaeologist

How does this make sense when the unemployment rate, at 4.1%, is below what economists consider full employment? Economists are telling us there are more job opening than there are applicants

u/hobopwnzor

It took until my wife and I were 33 to achieve the level of stability that our parents had in their early 20's. So no wonder it took us so long to decide to have a kid!

u/MrPreviz

In the strongest economy ever. This complacency cant keep going yall…

u/CrashingAtom

This is one truly strange analogy.

u/CoolmanWilkins

I mean, its the same thing as the 1930s. We don't have the great depression but we have the same levels of economic inequality. Back then it seemed like the two choices were fascism and commu

u/itchylol742

stop calling out the misinformation, you're getting in the way of radicalization

u/00rb

It's going to be real bad. I feel bad for all the CS grads that got rug pulled. They did the safe thing and then whoops -- no jobs for you either. Not to mention how bad the dating world i

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/upyoars: --- > Gen Z’s suspicion that the job hunt is harder than ever may be true—**about 58% of recent graduates are still looking

u/OkMap3209

I've had multiple projects where I asked to hire fresh people to train on the team if we were struggling so much to hire experienced people. I was even willing to put the time in to train the

u/upyoars

> Gen Z’s suspicion that the job hunt is harder than ever may be true—**about 58% of recent graduates are still looking for full-time work, compared to 25% of earlier graduates**, like mil

u/Silegna

The unemployment rate doesn’t take into account people who stopped looking, or those who have a few years looking.

u/JamesTiberiusCrunk

No, millennials graduated into the 2008 financial crisis when unemployment hit 10%. The unemployment rate right now is 4.1%. It is not worse now than it was then.

u/ceelogreenicanth

It's weird they are very enthusiastic but don't put any of it towards tasks. They talk a lot about self improvement but ask zero questions. I feel like I've gotten better getting older giving

u/huehuehuehuehuuuu

People pull away from what their parents are doing in lean times. It’s a gut reaction, not based on logic. Hey at least this is just about jobs. With all the fires and floods and people kne

u/00rb

Don't listen to the AI boosterism. I think AI has the potential to change a lot but right now it's just potential and I don't think it's really speeding anything up. It's just regular layof

u/zman0900

Repeatedly cutting education funding has certainly been helping things /s

u/jspilly

sounds familiar. Whole generation stalled before it even started. Hard to build anything solid when the ground’s always shifting.

u/JamesTiberiusCrunk

No, millennials graduated into the 2008 financial crisis when unemployment hit 10%. The unemployment rate right now is 4.1%. It is not worse now than it was then.

u/dreamyduskywing

There’s no way it’s worse now than during the Great Recession when the unemployment rate then was roughly double today’s rate.

u/zeth0s

It happened in Italy for millennials, due to 2008. By all statistics in Italy millennials had it worse than gen z. It isn't going well. Too many millennials did not have the chance to lear

u/3Dchaos777

“But when are you going to give me grand babies?!” - Boomers

u/Major_T_Pain

As an older millennial, I swear to God I just want to hug all these kids man, shit is so fucked for them it's crazy. Things have to change, We need New ideas. New economics.

u/everett640

Skeleton crews are killing like this are killing the economy. You need a couple of people on the team that don't really have anything to do, and have them constantly training. People leave, p

u/bickid

"... WAS for millenials" Umm, millenials still have to find jobs.

u/CoolmanWilkins

I mean, its the same thing as the 1930s. We don't have the great depression but we have the same levels of economic inequality. Back then it seemed like the two choices were fascism and commu

u/SeeShark

Apt, though. No one wants to invest in the future of human capital.

u/CaptainMagnets

Billionaires and their minions

u/Jonny_Segment

It's like being in a group stuck on an island with a warehouse half full of food. People in authority are content to just keep eating from the warehouse, while clearly steps need to be taken

u/MrPreviz

In the strongest economy ever. This complacency cant keep going yall…

u/Gubekochi

> I swear to God I just want to hug all these kids man, Never let your heart sour to that sentiment. The day we start hating on younger generations is the day we deserve to be placed in

u/zeth0s

It happened in Italy for millennials, due to 2008. By all statistics in Italy millennials had it worse than gen z. It isn't going well. Too many millennials did not have the chance to lear

u/Major_T_Pain

As an older millennial, I swear to God I just want to hug all these kids man, shit is so fucked for them it's crazy. Things have to change, We need New ideas. New economics.

u/Nattekat

It's absolutely insane yea. I just happened to find a company that mainly focuses on fresh graduates as parttime job next to my study, and got a fulltime position after I graduated, but just

u/Bynming

Yep. As a millennial, I try to hire them zoomers whenever I can. The difficulties they have with entering the workforce are overblown, many of us were just as inept if not worse when we start

u/Gubekochi

> I swear to God I just want to hug all these kids man, Never let your heart sour to that sentiment. The day we start hating on younger generations is the day we deserve to be placed in

u/SirVanyel

Yep, because the radical left is mostly just "the bare minimum to not be a dick to your peers" these days. Even the alt right has trans people drawing all their rule 34 furry shit for them to

u/Lokan

That's the trap of "efficiency" -- every single piece must be producing something profitable at all times. It's equivalent to removing all the fat from a mammal, then acting surprise when the

u/Major_T_Pain

I was denied a job a McDonald's in 2009 bc they told me they didn't trust an Engineering grad would "stick around".... Like they were looking for long term employees at fucking McDonald's

u/ProdigalSkinFlutist

So, the twin metric to unemployment that any 20 year old undergrad econ student will tell you to look at is employment to population ratio [https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/EMRATIO](https:/

u/Crypt33x

Yeah they refuse to train the next generation to their level and then retire without replacement. Whole infrastructure sector is suffering from this.

u/Rizza1122

We know! We're on your side gen z, it's the boomers who fucked all this shit we swear! We've only had a majority voting block between us the last couple of years. We were powerless to defeat

u/soulstaz

It's the COVID generation. I have lots of friends and family in teaching. There's core social skill that they didn't learn because of 2 years of school from zoom. Basically, anyone that were

u/ProdigalSkinFlutist

So, the twin metric to unemployment that any 20 year old undergrad econ student will tell you to look at is employment to population ratio [https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/EMRATIO](https:/

u/Kylo_Rens_8pack

Ah, Good luck to you fellow millennial.

u/Crypt33x

Yeah they refuse to train the next generation to their level and then retire without replacement. Whole infrastructure sector is suffering from this.

u/TehOwn

>The youth don't want more of the same. They want change, and the right is simply just more radical, so they *seem* to be more supportive of change. Yeah, the radical left have been crush

u/Rapier4

I think that is the kind of phrasing many younger/average folks dislike too - "strong economy" & "strong market". Sure sure, for those wealthy people who own a lot of stock, this shit roc

u/jspilly

sounds familiar. Whole generation stalled before it even started. Hard to build anything solid when the ground’s always shifting.

u/3Dchaos777

Yup. 33 is the new 23. Truly insane.

u/Whiterabbit--

radiology won't die out. it is undergoing going rapid changes as doctors are training AI systems. its more revolutionary than dying. keep up with the technology and its an exciting field.

u/Rizza1122

We know! We're on your side gen z, it's the boomers who fucked all this shit we swear! We've only had a majority voting block between us the last couple of years. We were powerless to defeat

u/nothoughtsnosleep

The manosphere content has never been pushed this hard before. The internet of today is not the same Internet as even just 10 years ago. New accounts on YouTube are very quickly pushed into m

u/3Dchaos777

“But when are you going to give me grand babies?!” - Boomers

u/CrashingAtom

This is one truly strange analogy.

u/Major_T_Pain

As an older millennial, I swear to God I just want to hug all these kids man, shit is so fucked for them it's crazy. Things have to change, We need New ideas. New economics.

u/huehuehuehuehuuuu

People pull away from what their parents are doing in lean times. It’s a gut reaction, not based on logic. Hey at least this is just about jobs. With all the fires and floods and people kne

u/hagamablabla

Companies are just so short-sighted. They want their entire staff to be senior-level, but they refuse to train anyone to senior level and expect the market to just hand them a perfect candida

u/Nattekat

It's absolutely insane yea. I just happened to find a company that mainly focuses on fresh graduates as parttime job next to my study, and got a fulltime position after I graduated, but just

u/MrPreviz

In the strongest economy ever. This complacency cant keep going yall…

u/Edward_TH

Trump is just a *failed* Berlusconi. Berlusconi was actually a billionaire with all his crime, no lies needed; also he was able to milk the country slowly enough to not make it collapse for d

u/Kylo_Rens_8pack

If I can offer some millennial advice, you have to try harder at relationships these days but it’s better to be the person who reaches out than the person who doesn’t. It’s not in my nature

u/roygbivasaur

Food is going to be harder to get for unemployed Gen Z without SNAP

u/TehOwn

>The youth don't want more of the same. They want change, and the right is simply just more radical, so they *seem* to be more supportive of change. Yeah, the radical left have been crush

u/huehuehuehuehuuuu

People pull away from what their parents are doing in lean times. It’s a gut reaction, not based on logic. Hey at least this is just about jobs. With all the fires and floods and people kne

u/hobopwnzor

As a millennial it was worse for us than our parents and it's gonna be worse for you than it was for us. All downhill baby!

u/huehuehuehuehuuuu

It won’t be unavailable because of lack of money, but unavailable because of lack of food. Which is far far worse. Because at that point no amount of charity, sharing, loans, good governance,

u/Gubekochi

> I swear to God I just want to hug all these kids man, Never let your heart sour to that sentiment. The day we start hating on younger generations is the day we deserve to be placed in

u/Jonny_Segment

It's like being in a group stuck on an island with a warehouse half full of food. People in authority are content to just keep eating from the warehouse, while clearly steps need to be taken

u/Bynming

Yep. As a millennial, I try to hire them zoomers whenever I can. The difficulties they have with entering the workforce are overblown, many of us were just as inept if not worse when we start

u/Jonny_Segment

It's like being in a group stuck on an island with a warehouse half full of food. People in authority are content to just keep eating from the warehouse, while clearly steps need to be taken

u/soulstaz

It's the COVID generation. I have lots of friends and family in teaching. There's core social skill that they didn't learn because of 2 years of school from zoom. Basically, anyone that were

u/raven00x

Before the sec rules changed in 1982, companies reinvested money in training and development of workers. Since then the training budgets have only shrunk because manipulating the stock marke

u/Hendlton

That's how it is in pretty much every profession. IT was special because so few people had relevant degrees that companies had no choice. They hired anyone who could tell them what an if stat

u/ceelogreenicanth

I'd say Gen Z is more hungry for employment and less idealistic about employment than millennials. Gen Z I'd say does have some people that are quite incompetent and very confident which is a

u/SgtSprinkle

Got out of grad school I 2008. Took my modest savings and moved to Chicago. I used to wake up early and apply to 20-50ish jobs digitally. Then, I'd throw on a suit and just walk the streets

u/everett640

Skeleton crews are killing like this are killing the economy. You need a couple of people on the team that don't really have anything to do, and have them constantly training. People leave, p

u/swancandle

Unfortunately I've noticed this too, particularly with younger gen-z. Poor social skills, a lack of initiative and problem-solving ability, lots of excuses as to why they can't or won't do so

u/nothoughtsnosleep

Gen z men learn right and it's manosphere content causing it

u/-Tom-

All job postings are "entry level" (entry level to that company...) and they want that person to have 7-10 years of very specific experience to be able to hit the ground running. They basical

u/Nattekat

It's absolutely insane yea. I just happened to find a company that mainly focuses on fresh graduates as parttime job next to my study, and got a fulltime position after I graduated, but just

u/EQBallzz

Let's be real. It's not just the kids. I'm old AF and I'm having similar problems. Buying a house was always just out of reach. Just laid off at 57. Too old to find anything close to what I w

u/ElectricSoapBox

I'm seeing this in tech too. I'm just trying to hang on as long as I can.

u/Snipero8

Not just in tech, several of my peers and I all noticed 3-5 years of experience type positions in engineering have seemingly vanished (they call them different titles at different companies,

u/ninjewz

No one is willing to have anyone learn on the job/train anymore. That mid-level is just enough where they can demand higher pay but likely can't just take off running when moving to another c

u/Kapowpow

I’ve fully given up on dating. Much more peaceful to not even try.

u/00rb

It's going to be real bad. I feel bad for all the CS grads that got rug pulled. They did the safe thing and then whoops -- no jobs for you either. Not to mention how bad the dating world i

u/DrShadowstrike

Averaging together millenials is going to give some strange results. The oldest millenials (who graduated before the crash) and the youngest millenials (who graduated after the recovery) had

u/Sarctoth

And when the food eventually runs out, it will be everyone elses fault.

u/EQBallzz

Let's be real. It's not just the kids. I'm old AF and I'm having similar problems. Buying a house was always just out of reach. Just laid off at 57. Too old to find anything close to what I w

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/upyoars: --- > Gen Z’s suspicion that the job hunt is harder than ever may be true—**about 58% of recent graduates are still looking

u/JamesTiberiusCrunk

No, millennials graduated into the 2008 financial crisis when unemployment hit 10%. The unemployment rate right now is 4.1%. It is not worse now than it was then.

u/ninjewz

No one is willing to have anyone learn on the job/train anymore. That mid-level is just enough where they can demand higher pay but likely can't just take off running when moving to another c

u/Kylo_Rens_8pack

If I can offer some millennial advice, you have to try harder at relationships these days but it’s better to be the person who reaches out than the person who doesn’t. It’s not in my nature

u/jspilly

sounds familiar. Whole generation stalled before it even started. Hard to build anything solid when the ground’s always shifting.

u/hewkii2

Because it’s including people who are not in the workforce: “The first included students about to graduate, recent graduates, and those who have been working for less than a year (referred t

u/Icy_Foundation3534

yo for real we are constantly in and out with little chance of any retirement or pension.

u/dreamyduskywing

There’s no way it’s worse now than during the Great Recession when the unemployment rate then was roughly double today’s rate.

u/olearygreen

6% of my class had a job 6 months after graduation. Six percent. Nobody going to out-victim class of 2008 Millennials.

u/Kapowpow

I’m closer to 40 than 30

u/MerkDoctor

It is the billionaires, propped up by Grandpa and uncle Richard voting in the most pro-billionaire candidates every election, Republican or Democrat, but obviously especially Republican.

u/UAreTheHippopotamus

In tech I'm pretty worried about the future. Most companies aren't hiring many juniors and a lot of the ones that do get in probably rely too heavily on AI. Right now executives are getting r

u/haneulk7789

The article is talking mostly about people specifically looking for jobs after graduating college.

u/DDOSBreakfast

The worst part of it is that the US has a better pool of talent compared to much of the world. People with tech skills flee Canada (among other countries) and we lose over half the graduates

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/upyoars: --- > Gen Z’s suspicion that the job hunt is harder than ever may be true—**about 58% of recent graduates are still looking

u/Kapowpow

I’m closer to 40 than 30

u/J0E_Blow

Keep in mind Americans had been suffering for years under Hoover and the Great Depression before FDR was able to come to power.

u/SgtSprinkle

Got out of grad school I 2008. Took my modest savings and moved to Chicago. I used to wake up early and apply to 20-50ish jobs digitally. Then, I'd throw on a suit and just walk the streets

u/ninjewz

No one is willing to have anyone learn on the job/train anymore. That mid-level is just enough where they can demand higher pay but likely can't just take off running when moving to another c

u/ads7w6

I don't want to get into an argument of who had it worse because it is unimportant but the numbers show that 2010 was worse for recent college grads than it is now. The unemployment rate for

u/Kapowpow

I’m closer to 40 than 30

u/Icy_Foundation3534

yo for real we are constantly in and out with little chance of any retirement or pension.

u/Kylo_Rens_8pack

Ah, Good luck to you fellow millennial.

u/raven00x

Before the sec rules changed in 1982, companies reinvested money in training and development of workers. Since then the training budgets have only shrunk because manipulating the stock marke

u/everett640

Skeleton crews are killing like this are killing the economy. You need a couple of people on the team that don't really have anything to do, and have them constantly training. People leave, p

u/SgtSprinkle

Got out of grad school I 2008. Took my modest savings and moved to Chicago. I used to wake up early and apply to 20-50ish jobs digitally. Then, I'd throw on a suit and just walk the streets

u/ray12370

Always has been for me. I've been in a cycle since I graduated of constantly getting hired as a contractor for a project, promises a full time role career the project finishes, and then getti

u/Edward_TH

Trump is just a *failed* Berlusconi. Berlusconi was actually a billionaire with all his crime, no lies needed; also he was able to milk the country slowly enough to not make it collapse for d

u/Edward_TH

Trump is just a *failed* Berlusconi. Berlusconi was actually a billionaire with all his crime, no lies needed; also he was able to milk the country slowly enough to not make it collapse for d

u/doodlinghearsay

> It’s a huge hobby for us and we can spend 10 hours solving a difficult problem, because we can’t sleep until we have a good solution and **we are constantly doing side projects in our f

u/nothoughtsnosleep

Gen z men learn right and it's manosphere content causing it

u/faithOver

This is going to turn out just fantastic for us all. Lets just have an entire generation locked out of the economy. I hate to be catastrophic but this is how societies unravel. You have

u/hewkii2

Because it’s including people who are not in the workforce: “The first included students about to graduate, recent graduates, and those who have been working for less than a year (referred t

u/morpo

Omg yes. This group was asked in presumably May “Are you still looking for a job”, with which 58% responded yes. The closest corresponding question for prior groups was “When did you start

u/Rizza1122

We know! We're on your side gen z, it's the boomers who fucked all this shit we swear! We've only had a majority voting block between us the last couple of years. We were powerless to defeat

u/themangastand

It's the billionaires Not sure why you want to blame your grandpa

u/haneulk7789

The article is talking mostly about people specifically looking for jobs after graduating college.

u/HMNbean

Gen Z is a little older than the COVID generation. They were elder teens during covid, not little kids. By then you should know how to communicate, learn stuff etc. I can see the COVID aff

u/Pert02

Then they do not understand it.

u/Pretend-Marsupial258

Yeah, but at least the billionaires got more tax credits so it all worked out.

u/KanedaSyndrome

Those that don't own portfolios of appreciating assets will have to move into subsistence farming villages and live off the land as medieval farmers

u/3Dchaos777

“But when are you going to give me grand babies?!” - Boomers

u/Kerlyle

Yeah, shits gonna get real by the 2030s. Feels like a perfect storm is coming, I just don't see how it will hold altogether.

u/JonathanL73

Yeah if the system is so broken there no way to get a job, even if you have a degree, work hard etc. between ghost jobs, AI automation, massive income inequality guarantees civil unrest. Even

u/jspilly

sounds familiar. Whole generation stalled before it even started. Hard to build anything solid when the ground’s always shifting.

u/ray12370

Always has been for me. I've been in a cycle since I graduated of constantly getting hired as a contractor for a project, promises a full time role career the project finishes, and then getti

u/morpo

Omg yes. This group was asked in presumably May “Are you still looking for a job”, with which 58% responded yes. The closest corresponding question for prior groups was “When did you start

u/JonathanL73

Yeah if the system is so broken there no way to get a job, even if you have a degree, work hard etc. between ghost jobs, AI automation, massive income inequality guarantees civil unrest. Even

u/UAreTheHippopotamus

In tech I'm pretty worried about the future. Most companies aren't hiring many juniors and a lot of the ones that do get in probably rely too heavily on AI. Right now executives are getting r

u/Skitz-Scarekrow

Because that moron voted for policies that got us here.

u/Major_T_Pain

As an older millennial, I swear to God I just want to hug all these kids man, shit is so fucked for them it's crazy. Things have to change, We need New ideas. New economics.

u/itchylol742

stop calling out the misinformation, you're getting in the way of radicalization

u/UAreTheHippopotamus

In tech I'm pretty worried about the future. Most companies aren't hiring many juniors and a lot of the ones that do get in probably rely too heavily on AI. Right now executives are getting r

u/jspilly

sounds familiar. Whole generation stalled before it even started. Hard to build anything solid when the ground’s always shifting.

u/haneulk7789

The article is talking mostly about people specifically looking for jobs after graduating college.

u/HeraldOfRick

Competing with 40 year olds for a McDonald’s/walmart job because there were no jobs was also super fun in 2008.

u/ProdigalSkinFlutist

So, the twin metric to unemployment that any 20 year old undergrad econ student will tell you to look at is employment to population ratio [https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/EMRATIO](https:/

u/Nattekat

It's absolutely insane yea. I just happened to find a company that mainly focuses on fresh graduates as parttime job next to my study, and got a fulltime position after I graduated, but just

u/bickid

"... WAS for millenials" Umm, millenials still have to find jobs.

u/huehuehuehuehuuuu

It won’t be unavailable because of lack of money, but unavailable because of lack of food. Which is far far worse. Because at that point no amount of charity, sharing, loans, good governance,

u/blackheartedmonkey

I’m 39 and have never made more than $25/hr and having been let go like almost 2 years ago from that paid $23, I’m now making. $22 after 3 job changes. Even when I advocate that I have almost

u/ray12370

Always has been for me. I've been in a cycle since I graduated of constantly getting hired as a contractor for a project, promises a full time role career the project finishes, and then getti

u/doodlinghearsay

> It’s a huge hobby for us and we can spend 10 hours solving a difficult problem, because we can’t sleep until we have a good solution and **we are constantly doing side projects in our f

u/BloodOfJupiter

THANK YOU!! The percentages are extremely misleading, go look at how they asked 2 different groups, 2 different sets of questions

u/DIYThrowaway01

I recently hired 2 Gen X men. I never quite knew what 'functional illiteracy' was until now. Like they can read instructions, but can't follow them. They can write things that I can read,

u/SirVanyel

No, it's not. Manosphere BS has been around for a looong time and it hasn't taken hold like this. The global movement to the right is being supported by Gen Z because they're demanding change

u/itchylol742

stop calling out the misinformation, you're getting in the way of radicalization

u/blackheartedmonkey

I’m 39 and have never made more than $25/hr and having been let go like almost 2 years ago from that paid $23, I’m now making. $22 after 3 job changes. Even when I advocate that I have almost

u/ceelogreenicanth

I'd say Gen Z is more hungry for employment and less idealistic about employment than millennials. Gen Z I'd say does have some people that are quite incompetent and very confident which is a

u/olearygreen

6% of my class had a job 6 months after graduation. Six percent. Nobody going to out-victim class of 2008 Millennials.

u/Naraee

A lot of people don’t realize that part of the US tech labor crash in 2022 was due to some obscure tax code that no longer allowed corporations to write-off 100% of their US-based R&D cos

u/Bynming

Yep. As a millennial, I try to hire them zoomers whenever I can. The difficulties they have with entering the workforce are overblown, many of us were just as inept if not worse when we start

u/faithOver

This is going to turn out just fantastic for us all. Lets just have an entire generation locked out of the economy. I hate to be catastrophic but this is how societies unravel. You have

u/dreamyduskywing

There’s no way it’s worse now than during the Great Recession when the unemployment rate then was roughly double today’s rate.

u/Lokan

That's the trap of "efficiency" -- every single piece must be producing something profitable at all times. It's equivalent to removing all the fat from a mammal, then acting surprise when the

u/DulceEtDecorumEst

>I feel bad for all the CS grads that got rug pulled. They did the safe thing and then whoops -- no jobs for you either. The safe thing is medicine, more specifically the procedural heavy

u/blackheartedmonkey

I’m 39 and have never made more than $25/hr and having been let go like almost 2 years ago from that paid $23, I’m now making. $22 after 3 job changes. Even when I advocate that I have almost

u/DrShadowstrike

Averaging together millenials is going to give some strange results. The oldest millenials (who graduated before the crash) and the youngest millenials (who graduated after the recovery) had

u/hagamablabla

Companies are just so short-sighted. They want their entire staff to be senior-level, but they refuse to train anyone to senior level and expect the market to just hand them a perfect candida

u/Kerlyle

Yeah, shits gonna get real by the 2030s. Feels like a perfect storm is coming, I just don't see how it will hold altogether.

u/00rb

Don't listen to the AI boosterism. I think AI has the potential to change a lot but right now it's just potential and I don't think it's really speeding anything up. It's just regular layof

u/DragonArchaeologist

How does this make sense when the unemployment rate, at 4.1%, is below what economists consider full employment? Economists are telling us there are more job opening than there are applicants

u/ceelogreenicanth

I'd say Gen Z is more hungry for employment and less idealistic about employment than millennials. Gen Z I'd say does have some people that are quite incompetent and very confident which is a

u/MrPreviz

In the strongest economy ever. This complacency cant keep going yall…

u/zman0900

Repeatedly cutting education funding has certainly been helping things /s

u/hewkii2

Because it’s including people who are not in the workforce: “The first included students about to graduate, recent graduates, and those who have been working for less than a year (referred t

u/J0E_Blow

Oftentimes turbulent times do break nations. Compare an 1810s map of Europe to a 1946’s and then 2,000s. Countries aren’t impregnable everlasting entities-they're just an idea.

u/ceelogreenicanth

I'd say Gen Z is more hungry for employment and less idealistic about employment than millennials. Gen Z I'd say does have some people that are quite incompetent and very confident which is a

u/hobopwnzor

It took until my wife and I were 33 to achieve the level of stability that our parents had in their early 20's. So no wonder it took us so long to decide to have a kid!

u/renewambitions

There are a combination of factors contributing to this: The tax code allowing write-offs being changed in 2022 was devastating for US-based hiring, but there is also a genuine issue finding

u/faithOver

This is going to turn out just fantastic for us all. Lets just have an entire generation locked out of the economy. I hate to be catastrophic but this is how societies unravel. You have

u/Fried_out_Kombi

Article on the topic for those interested: https://qz.com/tech-layoffs-tax-code-trump-section-174-microsoft-meta-1851783502?utm_source=reddit.com

u/00rb

It's going to be real bad. I feel bad for all the CS grads that got rug pulled. They did the safe thing and then whoops -- no jobs for you either. Not to mention how bad the dating world i

u/OkMap3209

I've had multiple projects where I asked to hire fresh people to train on the team if we were struggling so much to hire experienced people. I was even willing to put the time in to train the

u/UAreTheHippopotamus

In tech I'm pretty worried about the future. Most companies aren't hiring many juniors and a lot of the ones that do get in probably rely too heavily on AI. Right now executives are getting r

u/MerkDoctor

It is the billionaires, propped up by Grandpa and uncle Richard voting in the most pro-billionaire candidates every election, Republican or Democrat, but obviously especially Republican.

u/Pert02

Then they do not understand it.

u/DDOSBreakfast

The worst part of it is that the US has a better pool of talent compared to much of the world. People with tech skills flee Canada (among other countries) and we lose over half the graduates

u/ceelogreenicanth

I'd say Gen Z is more hungry for employment and less idealistic about employment than millennials. Gen Z I'd say does have some people that are quite incompetent and very confident which is a

u/Gubekochi

> I swear to God I just want to hug all these kids man, Never let your heart sour to that sentiment. The day we start hating on younger generations is the day we deserve to be placed in

u/MerkDoctor

It is the billionaires, propped up by Grandpa and uncle Richard voting in the most pro-billionaire candidates every election, Republican or Democrat, but obviously especially Republican.

u/soulstaz

It's the COVID generation. I have lots of friends and family in teaching. There's core social skill that they didn't learn because of 2 years of school from zoom. Basically, anyone that were

u/CaptainMagnets

Billionaires and their minions

u/hobopwnzor

As a millennial it was worse for us than our parents and it's gonna be worse for you than it was for us. All downhill baby!

u/ProdigalSkinFlutist

So, the twin metric to unemployment that any 20 year old undergrad econ student will tell you to look at is employment to population ratio [https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/EMRATIO](https:/

u/DDOSBreakfast

The worst part of it is that the US has a better pool of talent compared to much of the world. People with tech skills flee Canada (among other countries) and we lose over half the graduates

u/EQBallzz

Let's be real. It's not just the kids. I'm old AF and I'm having similar problems. Buying a house was always just out of reach. Just laid off at 57. Too old to find anything close to what I w

u/HeraldOfRick

Competing with 40 year olds for a McDonald’s/walmart job because there were no jobs was also super fun in 2008.

u/Pert02

Then they do not understand it.

u/ninjewz

No one is willing to have anyone learn on the job/train anymore. That mid-level is just enough where they can demand higher pay but likely can't just take off running when moving to another c

u/N_thanAU

Is it still the case where every single entry level job is hired as a temporary contractor?

u/alternateme

> I know giving big corps tax breaks is not great Easier said than done, but: You hear all the times that 'companies have a legal responsibility to the share holders' - well change the ca

u/olearygreen

6% of my class had a job 6 months after graduation. Six percent. Nobody going to out-victim class of 2008 Millennials.

u/Rizza1122

We know! We're on your side gen z, it's the boomers who fucked all this shit we swear! We've only had a majority voting block between us the last couple of years. We were powerless to defeat

u/Rapier4

I think that is the kind of phrasing many younger/average folks dislike too - "strong economy" & "strong market". Sure sure, for those wealthy people who own a lot of stock, this shit roc

u/hobopwnzor

It took until my wife and I were 33 to achieve the level of stability that our parents had in their early 20's. So no wonder it took us so long to decide to have a kid!

u/Xechkos

I mean the relying on AI part is too real though. I am PhD student who does a bunch of TA work, and a lot of the students are using AI for coding. Like, they can understand what the AI writes

u/raven00x

Before the sec rules changed in 1982, companies reinvested money in training and development of workers. Since then the training budgets have only shrunk because manipulating the stock marke

u/Kylo_Rens_8pack

If I can offer some millennial advice, you have to try harder at relationships these days but it’s better to be the person who reaches out than the person who doesn’t. It’s not in my nature

u/DDOSBreakfast

The worst part of it is that the US has a better pool of talent compared to much of the world. People with tech skills flee Canada (among other countries) and we lose over half the graduates

u/LineRex

As a millennial it's far worse now, even with a degree and closing in on a decade of experience, than it was when I was 18 or just after getting my degree lol. Navigating the listing boards i

u/KanedaSyndrome

Agree 100 % - Elder millenial here. It's really looking to be some rough years ahead, I predicted this back when we saw chatGPT launch. I fear we're looking into what you describe, unraveli

u/ray12370

Always has been for me. I've been in a cycle since I graduated of constantly getting hired as a contractor for a project, promises a full time role career the project finishes, and then getti

u/raven00x

Before the sec rules changed in 1982, companies reinvested money in training and development of workers. Since then the training budgets have only shrunk because manipulating the stock marke

u/CrashingAtom

This is one truly strange analogy.

u/renewambitions

There are a combination of factors contributing to this: The tax code allowing write-offs being changed in 2022 was devastating for US-based hiring, but there is also a genuine issue finding

u/CoolmanWilkins

I mean, its the same thing as the 1930s. We don't have the great depression but we have the same levels of economic inequality. Back then it seemed like the two choices were fascism and commu

u/Bromlife

Oh you need a month off to recover from surgery? Weird coincidence, we don’t need your role anymore and you’re being made redundant.

u/AgencyBasic3003

I also feel very bad for these people as I am working as an IT Manager. Even during the hype time I always told people to p not rush into an education, just because someone told you it would

u/ElectricSoapBox

I'm seeing this in tech too. I'm just trying to hang on as long as I can.

u/J0E_Blow

Oftentimes turbulent times do break nations. Compare an 1810s map of Europe to a 1946’s and then 2,000s. Countries aren’t impregnable everlasting entities-they're just an idea.

u/KanedaSyndrome

Agree 100 % - Elder millenial here. It's really looking to be some rough years ahead, I predicted this back when we saw chatGPT launch. I fear we're looking into what you describe, unraveli

u/wordwordnumberss

The source for 60% is a "poll" by KickResume, a business that sells resume editing services. Yea, I'd love to see their methodology on this one. This obviously is an article that exists to ma

u/EQBallzz

Let's be real. It's not just the kids. I'm old AF and I'm having similar problems. Buying a house was always just out of reach. Just laid off at 57. Too old to find anything close to what I w

u/morpo

Omg yes. This group was asked in presumably May “Are you still looking for a job”, with which 58% responded yes. The closest corresponding question for prior groups was “When did you start

u/Skitz-Scarekrow

Because that moron voted for policies that got us here.

u/00rb

Don't listen to the AI boosterism. I think AI has the potential to change a lot but right now it's just potential and I don't think it's really speeding anything up. It's just regular layof

u/Wayss37

Real, made me realise that dealing with people is just stressful

u/zman0900

Repeatedly cutting education funding has certainly been helping things /s

u/Snipero8

Not just in tech, several of my peers and I all noticed 3-5 years of experience type positions in engineering have seemingly vanished (they call them different titles at different companies,

u/Jonny_Segment

It's like being in a group stuck on an island with a warehouse half full of food. People in authority are content to just keep eating from the warehouse, while clearly steps need to be taken

u/dreamyduskywing

There’s no way it’s worse now than during the Great Recession when the unemployment rate then was roughly double today’s rate.

u/Kylo_Rens_8pack

If I can offer some millennial advice, you have to try harder at relationships these days but it’s better to be the person who reaches out than the person who doesn’t. It’s not in my nature

u/Kapowpow

I’ve fully given up on dating. Much more peaceful to not even try.

u/KanedaSyndrome

Agree 100 % - Elder millenial here. It's really looking to be some rough years ahead, I predicted this back when we saw chatGPT launch. I fear we're looking into what you describe, unraveli

u/wordwordnumberss

The source for 60% is a "poll" by KickResume, a business that sells resume editing services. Yea, I'd love to see their methodology on this one. This obviously is an article that exists to ma

u/raven00x

Before the sec rules changed in 1982, companies reinvested money in training and development of workers. Since then the training budgets have only shrunk because manipulating the stock marke

u/Major_T_Pain

I was denied a job a McDonald's in 2009 bc they told me they didn't trust an Engineering grad would "stick around".... Like they were looking for long term employees at fucking McDonald's

u/RedCoffeeEyes

I'm a millennial and I'm still trying to find work related to my degree after graduating.

u/Major_T_Pain

I was denied a job a McDonald's in 2009 bc they told me they didn't trust an Engineering grad would "stick around".... Like they were looking for long term employees at fucking McDonald's

u/upyoars

> Gen Z’s suspicion that the job hunt is harder than ever may be true—**about 58% of recent graduates are still looking for full-time work, compared to 25% of earlier graduates**, like mil

u/Whiterabbit--

medieval farmers didn't own their land,. they just farmed the land for other people.

u/raven00x

Before the sec rules changed in 1982, companies reinvested money in training and development of workers. Since then the training budgets have only shrunk because manipulating the stock marke

u/Hendlton

That's how it is in pretty much every profession. IT was special because so few people had relevant degrees that companies had no choice. They hired anyone who could tell them what an if stat

u/Bromlife

Oh you need a month off to recover from surgery? Weird coincidence, we don’t need your role anymore and you’re being made redundant.

u/SeeShark

Apt, though. No one wants to invest in the future of human capital.

u/alternateme

> I know giving big corps tax breaks is not great Easier said than done, but: You hear all the times that 'companies have a legal responsibility to the share holders' - well change the ca

u/Skitz-Scarekrow

Because that moron voted for policies that got us here.

u/KanedaSyndrome

Agree 100 % - Elder millenial here. It's really looking to be some rough years ahead, I predicted this back when we saw chatGPT launch. I fear we're looking into what you describe, unraveli

u/ray12370

Always has been for me. I've been in a cycle since I graduated of constantly getting hired as a contractor for a project, promises a full time role career the project finishes, and then getti

u/roygbivasaur

Food is going to be harder to get for unemployed Gen Z without SNAP

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/upyoars: --- > Gen Z’s suspicion that the job hunt is harder than ever may be true—**about 58% of recent graduates are still looking

u/roygbivasaur

Food is going to be harder to get for unemployed Gen Z without SNAP

u/huehuehuehuehuuuu

It won’t be unavailable because of lack of money, but unavailable because of lack of food. Which is far far worse. Because at that point no amount of charity, sharing, loans, good governance,

u/doodlinghearsay

> It’s a huge hobby for us and we can spend 10 hours solving a difficult problem, because we can’t sleep until we have a good solution and **we are constantly doing side projects in our f

u/LineRex

As a millennial it's far worse now, even with a degree and closing in on a decade of experience, than it was when I was 18 or just after getting my degree lol. Navigating the listing boards i

u/kingkongsdingdong420

I was really surprised by the stat because the great recession was brutal. It makes more sense that its just propaganda that we all ate up without thinking

u/Edward_TH

Trump is just a *failed* Berlusconi. Berlusconi was actually a billionaire with all his crime, no lies needed; also he was able to milk the country slowly enough to not make it collapse for d

u/Rapier4

I think that is the kind of phrasing many younger/average folks dislike too - "strong economy" & "strong market". Sure sure, for those wealthy people who own a lot of stock, this shit roc

u/ProdigalSkinFlutist

So, the twin metric to unemployment that any 20 year old undergrad econ student will tell you to look at is employment to population ratio [https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/EMRATIO](https:/

u/SirVanyel

No, it's not. Manosphere BS has been around for a looong time and it hasn't taken hold like this. The global movement to the right is being supported by Gen Z because they're demanding change

u/BloodOfJupiter

THANK YOU!! The percentages are extremely misleading, go look at how they asked 2 different groups, 2 different sets of questions

u/JonathanL73

Yeah if the system is so broken there no way to get a job, even if you have a degree, work hard etc. between ghost jobs, AI automation, massive income inequality guarantees civil unrest. Even

u/JamesTiberiusCrunk

No, millennials graduated into the 2008 financial crisis when unemployment hit 10%. The unemployment rate right now is 4.1%. It is not worse now than it was then.

u/Kerlyle

Yeah, shits gonna get real by the 2030s. Feels like a perfect storm is coming, I just don't see how it will hold altogether.

u/hagamablabla

Companies are just so short-sighted. They want their entire staff to be senior-level, but they refuse to train anyone to senior level and expect the market to just hand them a perfect candida

u/3Dchaos777

“But when are you going to give me grand babies?!” - Boomers

u/ceelogreenicanth

It's weird they are very enthusiastic but don't put any of it towards tasks. They talk a lot about self improvement but ask zero questions. I feel like I've gotten better getting older giving

u/alternateme

> I know giving big corps tax breaks is not great Easier said than done, but: You hear all the times that 'companies have a legal responsibility to the share holders' - well change the ca

u/Knamakat

You serious? What group do you think overwhelming votes for policies that benefit these billionaires?

u/Knamakat

You serious? What group do you think overwhelming votes for policies that benefit these billionaires?

u/SgtSprinkle

Got out of grad school I 2008. Took my modest savings and moved to Chicago. I used to wake up early and apply to 20-50ish jobs digitally. Then, I'd throw on a suit and just walk the streets

u/EQBallzz

Let's be real. It's not just the kids. I'm old AF and I'm having similar problems. Buying a house was always just out of reach. Just laid off at 57. Too old to find anything close to what I w

u/Kerlyle

Yeah, shits gonna get real by the 2030s. Feels like a perfect storm is coming, I just don't see how it will hold altogether.

u/Major_T_Pain

I was denied a job a McDonald's in 2009 bc they told me they didn't trust an Engineering grad would "stick around".... Like they were looking for long term employees at fucking McDonald's

u/doodlinghearsay

> It’s a huge hobby for us and we can spend 10 hours solving a difficult problem, because we can’t sleep until we have a good solution and **we are constantly doing side projects in our f

u/Lokan

That's the trap of "efficiency" -- every single piece must be producing something profitable at all times. It's equivalent to removing all the fat from a mammal, then acting surprise when the

u/Xechkos

I mean the relying on AI part is too real though. I am PhD student who does a bunch of TA work, and a lot of the students are using AI for coding. Like, they can understand what the AI writes

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Gen Z is right about the job hunt—it really is worse than it was for millennials, with nearly 60% of fresh-faced grads frozen out of the workforce

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