Golden Semiconductors: China's Breakthrough Beyond Silicon - Major Market Impact - Trend Spotting / Early Adopter Signals

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China Achieves Mass Production of ‘Golden Semiconductors’, paving the way to surpass silicon-based technology

Posted by u/upyoars•07/25/2025

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u/upyoars

> Chinese scientists have successfully developed a new technique for the **mass production** of high-quality “golden semiconductor” indium selenide, paving the way for a new generation of

u/garloid64

The US just defunded its entire research apparatus (previously the envy of the entire world) so you're not gonna be hearing much from them for the next 50 years, most likely.

u/resuwreckoning

Go back to the 1960’s and you’ll see the literal same type of posts about the Soviets. Even the Nobel prize economist Paul Samuelson predicted that the USSR would surpass the US in GDP….by 1

u/splerjg

I really can't wait till this AI hype train crashes and the tech conglomerates humbled. The hubris is just so much that I'd rather do away with all their tech comforts and live a 90s life.

u/auyemra

the US doesn't have to tell the world what it's doing to prove itself to the world.

u/Rightricket

Wow, China can really get shit done.

u/SublatedWissenschaft

For people who think they're the master race anointed by God to rule the world you Americans sure are insecure

u/yuxulu

Well, it has every sign of the .com bubble. 1. Huge insane company valuations that consist of a large % of total market value 2. Every company adds AI to their product reguardless of releva

u/_ryuujin_

thats just how tech is, its not exclusive to china. one breakthrough doesnt equal ready to release to the mass with a roi. i mean theres been multiple announcements that you can regrow tee

u/theartificialkid

Oh. What star are they going to commercialise it around?

u/LastMuel

This is most likely not a bubble. AI is currently powerful enough to give us better results than inept human beings. Pair that with rudimentary hardware and we have real problems with replaci

u/MerelyASimpleFan

Isn't Silicon popular because it is cheap, not because it is the best? Unless these materials can compete economically, I imagine it will mostly be used for niche applications.

u/Kardinal

They're definitely making progress. And the Chinese people are just as smart as Westerners. We have no inherent or birthright superiority in the West. We are all just people. Human beings are

u/_ryuujin_

thats just how tech is, its not exclusive to china. one breakthrough doesnt equal ready to release to the mass with a roi. i mean theres been multiple announcements that you can regrow tee

u/_ryuujin_

thats just how tech is, its not exclusive to china. one breakthrough doesnt equal ready to release to the mass with a roi. i mean theres been multiple announcements that you can regrow tee

u/yuxulu

Exactly. Internet did not go away with the .com bibble. AI will stay too. It will transform our lives. It just won't replace everything like many here clearly expect it to.

u/cjboffoli

Seeing as how the US has won the majority of Nobel prizes ever awarded, plenty of good advances come from the US.

u/West-Abalone-171

You're talking about a layer a few micron thick and <100mm^2 encased in epoxy and glass. You'd have to grind up thousands of computers and snort it to get a toxic dose. More relevant is

u/Maffioze

This title is misleading. They didn't achieve mass production, they achieve a scientific breakthrough that makes mass production a possibility. That doesn't mean they achieved mass production

u/yuxulu

Exactly. Internet did not go away with the .com bibble. AI will stay too. It will transform our lives. It just won't replace everything like many here clearly expect it to.

u/Nitroglycol204

Isn't iridium one of the rarest stable elements on the Periodic Table? Where are they going to get enough of it to replace all those silicon based chips?

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u/napkin41

I feel like all I’m hearing about on Reddit is China this, China that. I’m onto you China.

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/upyoars: --- > Chinese scientists have successfully developed a new technique for the **mass production** of high-quality “golden se

u/Neoliberal_Nightmare

They didn't say any of that, shitty media reported it that way after scientists made some break throughs which need more work. It's always that way. That's this whole sub really

u/Lev_Davidovich

The US has been a leader in science and research for the last few decades but that's beginning to change. The US used to be a brain drain on the rest of the world, the most talented scientist

u/Nitroglycol204

Isn't iridium one of the rarest stable elements on the Periodic Table? Where are they going to get enough of it to replace all those silicon based chips?

u/SublatedWissenschaft

Every American is deeply propagandized to believe American Exceptionalism to varying degrees. It is a core part of American mythology that is taught in schools and accepted as true by the gov

u/pikabu01

what are some good advances coming from the US?

u/jloverich

Mitochondrial bioreactors

u/Kingdom_Priest

This is the reason why the US will never be a leader ever again. You have half the country being so anti-intellectual, and the government actively dismantling the education system, whereas yo

u/ElectrikDonuts

WW2 really gave the US a complex. The power of our economy doesn't help for any level of modesty. And the complete absence of world view/understanding, Christian fundamentalism, and constan

u/weinsteinjin

Because China has more people than Europe and North America combined, and they are just as productive and innovative.

u/SublatedWissenschaft

Its cute you think you got a good education. You're denying American exceptionalism as a cultural force lol.

u/mxlun

If you take the dumbest of any population, this will be the case. It's just a fact that Americans are richer and have more time, so you end up with way more stupid people online from here. Bu

u/DarthMeow504

We are not our government, we are not one political faction or ideology. Many of us vehemently disagree with the same things you condemn, and oppose them to the degree we are able. And indivi

u/noblecheese

well, I hope you are right! :p But I've grown very pessimistic over the years

u/DadBodGeneral

you are in the wrong timeline. reddit was the most anti-china place on the internet before trump got into power. everyone was talking about how china was going to collapse soon.

u/SublatedWissenschaft

You are a fascist and ignorant society with no value. You don't get to wash your hands when you are a product of that society no matter how much of an "individual" you think you are.

u/SmokingLimone

>That is longer the case, China and to a lesser extent Europe, are now the brain drains Could we have a source for that. If this is based around Trump it's still too early to judge a tren

u/__Maximum__

The last time I checked, the productivity gap is still significant

u/auyemra

the US doesn't have to tell the world what it's doing to prove itself to the world.

u/Icyforgeaxe

It will crash and burn just like the early Internet did. Lots of dead small startups, a few big juggernauts coming out and changing the world. AI is still going to take over your everything.

u/VeganBaguette

Shitty website but this is the article in Science : https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adu3803

u/splerjg

I really can't wait till this AI hype train crashes and the tech conglomerates humbled. The hubris is just so much that I'd rather do away with all their tech comforts and live a 90s life.

u/Opposite-Cranberry76

"Acute oral toxicity Category 3 Acute Inhalation Toxicity - Dusts and Mists Category 3 Specific target organ toxicity - (repeated exposure) Category 2 Target Organs - Liver." "Very toxic to

u/irishhank

Better get used to it. Due to trumps great idea to kill science funding in the US, China will take the lead in advances in many fields.

u/mxlun

It's cute how full of hubris and condescending you're being. You are coming off like a narcissist who can't conceptualize the idea that people are individuals with their own thoughts and beli

u/Nitroglycol204

Oops. Though indium isn't that common either, is it?

u/Brinkster05

You mean due to China owning reddit. Its their propaganda machine now.

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u/Logical_Team6810

Tbf they've been talking about China's collapse for 20+ years. None of those predictions have come to pass.

u/Nitroglycol204

Isn't iridium one of the rarest stable elements on the Periodic Table? Where are they going to get enough of it to replace all those silicon based chips?

u/ptcounterpt

Thankfully, Trump has withdrawn America from any kind of scientific, technological, or medical investment, so he isn’t worried about an expensive international competition with China, Europe,

u/LastMuel

This is most likely not a bubble. AI is currently powerful enough to give us better results than inept human beings. Pair that with rudimentary hardware and we have real problems with replaci

u/simplesimonsaysno

I'll believe it when I see it. I hear so many stories of China's amazing technological advances. None of them come to fruition. Just China pumping out the propaganda as usual.

u/splerjg

I really can't wait till this AI hype train crashes and the tech conglomerates humbled. The hubris is just so much that I'd rather do away with all their tech comforts and live a 90s life.

u/Boreras

Cool but despite what the title says lightyears away from commercialisation.

u/VeganBaguette

Shitty website but this is the article in Science : https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adu3803

u/Cornflakes_91

its more than cadmium, mercury and silver but yeah, its not *that* abundant, but we also dont need that much of it by civilisational standardy

u/ashoka_akira

The real question is how long till they achieve mass production.

u/Kingdom_Priest

This is the reason why the US will never be a leader ever again. You have half the country being so anti-intellectual, and the government actively dismantling the education system, whereas yo

u/Livid_Zucchini_1625

good grief. one sees tech innovations from all over the world including the US. China happens to being incredible work which is only going to get better while the US is decimating its scien

u/noblecheese

I don't think the LLM's are for the consumers benefit even though it is marketed hard in that way. I mean it's a totally shit product for the majority of consumers and yet it is pushed very h

u/Kardinal

They're definitely making progress. And the Chinese people are just as smart as Westerners. We have no inherent or birthright superiority in the West. We are all just people. Human beings are

u/SublatedWissenschaft

You are a fascist and ignorant society with no value. You don't get to wash your hands when you are a product of that society no matter how much of an "individual" you think you are.

u/mxlun

Lol, who gave you that propaganda? I went to school here and got a well-rounded, robust education. You know, science, math, art. Not whatever you're talking about. The US is a huge place, ac

u/SmokingLimone

>That is longer the case, China and to a lesser extent Europe, are now the brain drains Could we have a source for that. If this is based around Trump it's still too early to judge a tren

u/banx7

Doesn't Tencent have a 11% share in reddit? Coincidence? I think not.

u/Anen-o-me

They figured out how to produce the perfect 1:1 crystal atomic ratio. But that's nothing like being able to grow single crystal silicons for silicon chips.

u/mxlun

If you take the dumbest of any population, this will be the case. It's just a fact that Americans are richer and have more time, so you end up with way more stupid people online from here. Bu

u/cjboffoli

Seeing as how the US has won the majority of Nobel prizes ever awarded, plenty of good advances come from the US.

u/mxlun

If you take the dumbest of any population, this will be the case. It's just a fact that Americans are richer and have more time, so you end up with way more stupid people online from here. Bu

u/ashoka_akira

The real question is how long till they achieve mass production.

u/VeganBaguette

Shitty website but this is the article in Science : https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adu3803

u/itisbutwhy

Will surpass? My guy, this is 2025. That ship has sailed.

u/noblecheese

I don't think the LLM's are for the consumers benefit even though it is marketed hard in that way. I mean it's a totally shit product for the majority of consumers and yet it is pushed very h

u/Altruistic_View_9347

The backbone of good AI is the nanochips made by TSMC. If thats gone or any of the thousands of supply chains are affected. Managing anything other than chatgpt 3 becomes hard or impossible

u/yuxulu

Bubble doesn't mean the tool is not powerful. It just mean it isn't bringing in the same economic value as expected. For example, emails are hundreds of times faster than sending a letter a

u/resuwreckoning

Go back to the 1960’s and you’ll see the literal same type of posts about the Soviets. Even the Nobel prize economist Paul Samuelson predicted that the USSR would surpass the US in GDP….by 1

u/ElectrikDonuts

That's cause everything coming out of the US is trump bullshit. You don't see any of the good advances the US is making via the news. And China is the opposite. They won't allow anything b

u/SublatedWissenschaft

For people who think they're the master race anointed by God to rule the world you Americans sure are insecure

u/mxlun

You think your average americans thinks like that? Like at all? You're the one who's been propagandized, lol. We're just people like you

u/Minute_Attempt3063

What in the last 3 years has come from the US that has benefited people? Other then LLMs, and billions of dollars (likely in the trillions now) in LLM training.

u/Anen-o-me

They figured out how to produce the perfect 1:1 crystal atomic ratio. But that's nothing like being able to grow single crystal silicons for silicon chips.

u/__Maximum__

The last time I checked, the productivity gap is still significant

u/Valuable_Associate54

Normal country, 6-8 years, China, 1-3 years

u/resuwreckoning

That even acknowledging that the US does anything good is hard lmao.

u/mxlun

You think your average americans thinks like that? Like at all? You're the one who's been propagandized, lol. We're just people like you

u/Rightricket

Wow, China can really get shit done.

u/dervu

Yep, definitely not as close as nanosheet.

u/mxlun

You think your average americans thinks like that? Like at all? You're the one who's been propagandized, lol. We're just people like you

u/napkin41

I mean, I'm always engaging r/Futurology content, it seems frequent in here.

u/garloid64

The US just defunded its entire research apparatus (previously the envy of the entire world) so you're not gonna be hearing much from them for the next 50 years, most likely.

u/Kingdom_Priest

This is the reason why the US will never be a leader ever again. You have half the country being so anti-intellectual, and the government actively dismantling the education system, whereas yo

u/Livid_Zucchini_1625

selection bias

u/mxlun

Lol, who gave you that propaganda? I went to school here and got a well-rounded, robust education. You know, science, math, art. Not whatever you're talking about. The US is a huge place, ac

u/Minute_Attempt3063

I think the person I replied to deleted their message

u/mxlun

It's cute how full of hubris and condescending you're being. You are coming off like a narcissist who can't conceptualize the idea that people are individuals with their own thoughts and beli

u/immoralwalrus

Well, China is actually developing a lot of new tech so it'd be weird if this subreddit doesn't have Chinese content...

u/cogit2

I think the bigger issue is just how much rarer the elements are. We're talking going from silicon, with perhaps a sprinkling of Germaium depending on the process, the 8th most popular elemen

u/Anen-o-me

They figured out how to produce the perfect 1:1 crystal atomic ratio. But that's nothing like being able to grow single crystal silicons for silicon chips.

u/ElectrikDonuts

Well reddit is filled with Americans so you are definitely going to get a bias here But yes. Americans have basically no world view. Most prob can't even point out England on a map. And o

u/Livid_Zucchini_1625

what does that mean

u/Icyforgeaxe

I mean, I use it all the time for work. It's silly to blindly hate a tool.

u/simplesimonsaysno

I'll believe it when I see it. I hear so many stories of China's amazing technological advances. None of them come to fruition. Just China pumping out the propaganda as usual.

u/irishhank

Better get used to it. Due to trumps great idea to kill science funding in the US, China will take the lead in advances in many fields.

u/napkin41

I feel like all I’m hearing about on Reddit is China this, China that. I’m onto you China.

u/Nitroglycol204

Isn't iridium one of the rarest stable elements on the Periodic Table? Where are they going to get enough of it to replace all those silicon based chips?

u/Boreras

Cool but despite what the title says lightyears away from commercialisation.

u/Icyforgeaxe

It will crash and burn just like the early Internet did. Lots of dead small startups, a few big juggernauts coming out and changing the world. AI is still going to take over your everything.

u/mxlun

If you take the dumbest of any population, this will be the case. It's just a fact that Americans are richer and have more time, so you end up with way more stupid people online from here. Bu

u/Rightricket

Wow, China can really get shit done.

u/Fluffy_Blueberry7109

Next step: Embargo Taiwan so that the Americans blow up th TSMC.

u/jloverich

Mitochondrial bioreactors

u/danielv123

No, its because it works. The price of the materials don't matter that much, the expensive part is the tools to grow them into a single massive crystal and etch trillions of features into the

u/_ryuujin_

probably a higher than avg percentage, since wealthy and smart people from other countries pick the us as a place to migrate to. maybe not this very moment. but its alot more than avg.

u/VeganBaguette

Shitty website but this is the article in Science : https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adu3803

u/itisbutwhy

Will surpass? My guy, this is 2025. That ship has sailed.

u/Boreras

Cool but despite what the title says lightyears away from commercialisation.

u/Icyforgeaxe

I mean, I use it all the time for work. It's silly to blindly hate a tool.

u/upyoars

> Chinese scientists have successfully developed a new technique for the **mass production** of high-quality “golden semiconductor” indium selenide, paving the way for a new generation of

u/Lev_Davidovich

The US has been a leader in science and research for the last few decades but that's beginning to change. The US used to be a brain drain on the rest of the world, the most talented scientist

u/_ryuujin_

thats just how tech is, its not exclusive to china. one breakthrough doesnt equal ready to release to the mass with a roi. i mean theres been multiple announcements that you can regrow tee

u/resuwreckoning

Go back to the 1960’s and you’ll see the literal same type of posts about the Soviets. Even the Nobel prize economist Paul Samuelson predicted that the USSR would surpass the US in GDP….by 1

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/upyoars: --- > Chinese scientists have successfully developed a new technique for the **mass production** of high-quality “golden se

u/SXLightning

Only country willing to do anything, everyone else is stagnant

u/yuxulu

Exactly. Internet did not go away with the .com bibble. AI will stay too. It will transform our lives. It just won't replace everything like many here clearly expect it to.

u/irishhank

Better get used to it. Due to trumps great idea to kill science funding in the US, China will take the lead in advances in many fields.

u/resuwreckoning

Go back to the 1960’s and you’ll see the literal same type of posts about the Soviets. Even the Nobel prize economist Paul Samuelson predicted that the USSR would surpass the US in GDP….by 1

u/Livid_Zucchini_1625

selection bias

u/upyoars

> Chinese scientists have successfully developed a new technique for the **mass production** of high-quality “golden semiconductor” indium selenide, paving the way for a new generation of

u/DarthMeow504

We are not our government, we are not one political faction or ideology. Many of us vehemently disagree with the same things you condemn, and oppose them to the degree we are able. And indivi

u/SmokingLimone

>That is longer the case, China and to a lesser extent Europe, are now the brain drains Could we have a source for that. If this is based around Trump it's still too early to judge a tren

u/napkin41

I mean, I'm always engaging r/Futurology content, it seems frequent in here.

u/_chip

I hear you. It sounds good but turns out to be fluff pieces. China is so desperate to surpass the States sometimes it’s comical. And that’s that I have no personal issues against them.

u/resuwreckoning

Go back to the 1960’s and you’ll see the literal same type of posts about the Soviets. Even the Nobel prize economist Paul Samuelson predicted that the USSR would surpass the US in GDP….by 1

u/Maffioze

This title is misleading. They didn't achieve mass production, they achieve a scientific breakthrough that makes mass production a possibility. That doesn't mean they achieved mass production

u/yuxulu

That sounds similar to the .com bubble as well. Companies imagine every business be completely transformed and become 10x bigger. Sure, everything gets transformed. But the promised value did

u/yuxulu

Probably some iterative improvement of AI that makes it 1% better while demanding a billion more in funding.

u/SXLightning

Only country willing to do anything, everyone else is stagnant

u/Cornflakes_91

hence why its indium not iridium

u/MerelyASimpleFan

Isn't Silicon popular because it is cheap, not because it is the best? Unless these materials can compete economically, I imagine it will mostly be used for niche applications.

u/noblecheese

I don't think the LLM's are for the consumers benefit even though it is marketed hard in that way. I mean it's a totally shit product for the majority of consumers and yet it is pushed very h

u/yuxulu

Exactly. Internet did not go away with the .com bibble. AI will stay too. It will transform our lives. It just won't replace everything like many here clearly expect it to.

u/upyoars

> Chinese scientists have successfully developed a new technique for the **mass production** of high-quality “golden semiconductor” indium selenide, paving the way for a new generation of

u/resuwreckoning

If the answer here is “nothing”, then you need to recognize just how biased this place is.

u/auyemra

the US doesn't have to tell the world what it's doing to prove itself to the world.

u/noblecheese

well, I hope you are right! :p But I've grown very pessimistic over the years

u/mxlun

You think your average americans thinks like that? Like at all? You're the one who's been propagandized, lol. We're just people like you

u/ashoka_akira

The real question is how long till they achieve mass production.

u/Altruistic_View_9347

The backbone of good AI is the nanochips made by TSMC. If thats gone or any of the thousands of supply chains are affected. Managing anything other than chatgpt 3 becomes hard or impossible

u/pikabu01

what are some good advances coming from the US?

u/ElectrikDonuts

That's cause everything coming out of the US is trump bullshit. You don't see any of the good advances the US is making via the news. And China is the opposite. They won't allow anything b

u/VeganBaguette

Shitty website but this is the article in Science : https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adu3803

u/itisbutwhy

Will surpass? My guy, this is 2025. That ship has sailed.

u/Lev_Davidovich

The US has been a leader in science and research for the last few decades but that's beginning to change. The US used to be a brain drain on the rest of the world, the most talented scientist

u/garloid64

The US just defunded its entire research apparatus (previously the envy of the entire world) so you're not gonna be hearing much from them for the next 50 years, most likely.

u/danielv123

No, its because it works. The price of the materials don't matter that much, the expensive part is the tools to grow them into a single massive crystal and etch trillions of features into the

u/Livid_Zucchini_1625

selection bias

u/DadBodGeneral

you are in the wrong timeline. reddit was the most anti-china place on the internet before trump got into power. everyone was talking about how china was going to collapse soon.

u/Kingdom_Priest

This is the reason why the US will never be a leader ever again. You have half the country being so anti-intellectual, and the government actively dismantling the education system, whereas yo

u/SublatedWissenschaft

You are a fascist and ignorant society with no value. You don't get to wash your hands when you are a product of that society no matter how much of an "individual" you think you are.

u/noblecheese

I don't think the LLM's are for the consumers benefit even though it is marketed hard in that way. I mean it's a totally shit product for the majority of consumers and yet it is pushed very h

u/_ryuujin_

probably a higher than avg percentage, since wealthy and smart people from other countries pick the us as a place to migrate to. maybe not this very moment. but its alot more than avg.

u/SublatedWissenschaft

For people who think they're the master race anointed by God to rule the world you Americans sure are insecure

u/Livid_Zucchini_1625

good grief. one sees tech innovations from all over the world including the US. China happens to being incredible work which is only going to get better while the US is decimating its scien

u/immoralwalrus

You keep clicking, Reddit thinks you like China content, feeds you more China content. You think it's China conspiracy. Learn to train algorithms, seriously...

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u/simplesimonsaysno

I'll believe it when I see it. I hear so many stories of China's amazing technological advances. None of them come to fruition. Just China pumping out the propaganda as usual.

u/my_depravity_account

American insecurity is god damned hilarious. Literally cannot make any conversation about another country's success not immediately about themselves.

u/mxlun

It's cute how full of hubris and condescending you're being. You are coming off like a narcissist who can't conceptualize the idea that people are individuals with their own thoughts and beli

u/immoralwalrus

You keep clicking, Reddit thinks you like China content, feeds you more China content. You think it's China conspiracy. Learn to train algorithms, seriously...

u/Cornflakes_91

hence why its indium not iridium

u/DreamChaserSt

I also think AI might burst, with regards to slapping a chat function on everything and similar services. But AI itself will not go away, and after the burst, what remains will stick better t

u/SublatedWissenschaft

Every American is deeply propagandized to believe American Exceptionalism to varying degrees. It is a core part of American mythology that is taught in schools and accepted as true by the gov

u/splerjg

I really can't wait till this AI hype train crashes and the tech conglomerates humbled. The hubris is just so much that I'd rather do away with all their tech comforts and live a 90s life.

u/Kingdom_Priest

This is the reason why the US will never be a leader ever again. You have half the country being so anti-intellectual, and the government actively dismantling the education system, whereas yo

u/dervu

Yep, definitely not as close as nanosheet.

u/ashoka_akira

The real question is how long till they achieve mass production.

u/SXLightning

Only country willing to do anything, everyone else is stagnant

u/weinsteinjin

Because China has more people than Europe and North America combined, and they are just as productive and innovative.

u/Maffioze

This title is misleading. They didn't achieve mass production, they achieve a scientific breakthrough that makes mass production a possibility. That doesn't mean they achieved mass production

u/pikabu01

what are some good advances coming from the US?

u/ElectrikDonuts

WW2 really gave the US a complex. The power of our economy doesn't help for any level of modesty. And the complete absence of world view/understanding, Christian fundamentalism, and constan

u/DreamChaserSt

I also think AI might burst, with regards to slapping a chat function on everything and similar services. But AI itself will not go away, and after the burst, what remains will stick better t

u/noblecheese

well, I hope you are right! :p But I've grown very pessimistic over the years

u/SublatedWissenschaft

You are a fascist and ignorant society with no value. You don't get to wash your hands when you are a product of that society no matter how much of an "individual" you think you are.

u/irishhank

Better get used to it. Due to trumps great idea to kill science funding in the US, China will take the lead in advances in many fields.

u/noblecheese

I don't think the LLM's are for the consumers benefit even though it is marketed hard in that way. I mean it's a totally shit product for the majority of consumers and yet it is pushed very h

u/Icyforgeaxe

I mean, I use it all the time for work. It's silly to blindly hate a tool.

u/mxlun

It's cute how full of hubris and condescending you're being. You are coming off like a narcissist who can't conceptualize the idea that people are individuals with their own thoughts and beli

u/cogit2

I think the bigger issue is just how much rarer the elements are. We're talking going from silicon, with perhaps a sprinkling of Germaium depending on the process, the 8th most popular elemen

u/DadBodGeneral

you are in the wrong timeline. reddit was the most anti-china place on the internet before trump got into power. everyone was talking about how china was going to collapse soon.

u/Altruistic_View_9347

The backbone of good AI is the nanochips made by TSMC. If thats gone or any of the thousands of supply chains are affected. Managing anything other than chatgpt 3 becomes hard or impossible

u/ElectrikDonuts

WW2 really gave the US a complex. The power of our economy doesn't help for any level of modesty. And the complete absence of world view/understanding, Christian fundamentalism, and constan

u/reckless_avacado

yes and who owns reddit

u/DreamChaserSt

I also think AI might burst, with regards to slapping a chat function on everything and similar services. But AI itself will not go away, and after the burst, what remains will stick better t

u/Livid_Zucchini_1625

good grief. one sees tech innovations from all over the world including the US. China happens to being incredible work which is only going to get better while the US is decimating its scien

u/Cornflakes_91

its more than cadmium, mercury and silver but yeah, its not *that* abundant, but we also dont need that much of it by civilisational standardy

u/yuxulu

Exactly. Internet did not go away with the .com bibble. AI will stay too. It will transform our lives. It just won't replace everything like many here clearly expect it to.

u/yuxulu

Probably some iterative improvement of AI that makes it 1% better while demanding a billion more in funding.

u/Minute_Attempt3063

I think the person I replied to deleted their message

u/itisbutwhy

Will surpass? My guy, this is 2025. That ship has sailed.

u/garloid64

The US just defunded its entire research apparatus (previously the envy of the entire world) so you're not gonna be hearing much from them for the next 50 years, most likely.

u/dervu

Yep, definitely not as close as nanosheet.

u/resuwreckoning

If the answer here is “nothing”, then you need to recognize just how biased this place is.

u/Altruistic_View_9347

The backbone of good AI is the nanochips made by TSMC. If thats gone or any of the thousands of supply chains are affected. Managing anything other than chatgpt 3 becomes hard or impossible

u/SublatedWissenschaft

Every American is deeply propagandized to believe American Exceptionalism to varying degrees. It is a core part of American mythology that is taught in schools and accepted as true by the gov

u/Livid_Zucchini_1625

selection bias

u/mxlun

Lol, who gave you that propaganda? I went to school here and got a well-rounded, robust education. You know, science, math, art. Not whatever you're talking about. The US is a huge place, ac

u/upyoars

> Chinese scientists have successfully developed a new technique for the **mass production** of high-quality “golden semiconductor” indium selenide, paving the way for a new generation of

u/yuxulu

Bubble doesn't mean the tool is not powerful. It just mean it isn't bringing in the same economic value as expected. For example, emails are hundreds of times faster than sending a letter a

u/yuxulu

Probably some iterative improvement of AI that makes it 1% better while demanding a billion more in funding.

u/splerjg

I really can't wait till this AI hype train crashes and the tech conglomerates humbled. The hubris is just so much that I'd rather do away with all their tech comforts and live a 90s life.

u/simplesimonsaysno

I'll believe it when I see it. I hear so many stories of China's amazing technological advances. None of them come to fruition. Just China pumping out the propaganda as usual.

u/_ryuujin_

probably a higher than avg percentage, since wealthy and smart people from other countries pick the us as a place to migrate to. maybe not this very moment. but its alot more than avg.

u/Livid_Zucchini_1625

good grief. one sees tech innovations from all over the world including the US. China happens to being incredible work which is only going to get better while the US is decimating its scien

u/Maffioze

This title is misleading. They didn't achieve mass production, they achieve a scientific breakthrough that makes mass production a possibility. That doesn't mean they achieved mass production

u/Deciheximal144

Has anyone seen this term "golden semiconductor" in use before this month? I couldn't find anything, looks like brand new marketing.

u/upyoars

> Chinese scientists have successfully developed a new technique for the **mass production** of high-quality “golden semiconductor” indium selenide, paving the way for a new generation of

u/auyemra

the US doesn't have to tell the world what it's doing to prove itself to the world.

u/mxlun

You think your average americans thinks like that? Like at all? You're the one who's been propagandized, lol. We're just people like you

u/immoralwalrus

Well, China is actually developing a lot of new tech so it'd be weird if this subreddit doesn't have Chinese content...

u/reckless_avacado

yes and who owns reddit

u/SublatedWissenschaft

You are a fascist and ignorant society with no value. You don't get to wash your hands when you are a product of that society no matter how much of an "individual" you think you are.

u/KrissyKrave

Indium exposure: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6969551/#:~:text=Background,2013%20amendment%20in%20the%20regulations. Indium Selenide: https://www.fishersci.com/store/msds?partNu

u/Lev_Davidovich

The US has been a leader in science and research for the last few decades but that's beginning to change. The US used to be a brain drain on the rest of the world, the most talented scientist

u/mxlun

If you take the dumbest of any population, this will be the case. It's just a fact that Americans are richer and have more time, so you end up with way more stupid people online from here. Bu

u/Livid_Zucchini_1625

selection bias

u/yuxulu

Probably some iterative improvement of AI that makes it 1% better while demanding a billion more in funding.

u/_ryuujin_

thats just how tech is, its not exclusive to china. one breakthrough doesnt equal ready to release to the mass with a roi. i mean theres been multiple announcements that you can regrow tee

u/resuwreckoning

You probably choked when you said “including the US” lmao.

u/Nitroglycol204

Oops. Though indium isn't that common either, is it?

u/danielv123

No, its because it works. The price of the materials don't matter that much, the expensive part is the tools to grow them into a single massive crystal and etch trillions of features into the

u/Robot9004

Chinese scientist: we've developed a process that might improve efficacy by 2% here's the da- The news: CHINESE SCIENTISTS CURE SHITTY DISEASE COMING TO YOUR STORES SOON

u/theartificialkid

Oh. What star are they going to commercialise it around?

u/Kardinal

They're definitely making progress. And the Chinese people are just as smart as Westerners. We have no inherent or birthright superiority in the West. We are all just people. Human beings are

u/napkin41

I mean, I'm always engaging r/Futurology content, it seems frequent in here.

u/mxlun

It's cute how full of hubris and condescending you're being. You are coming off like a narcissist who can't conceptualize the idea that people are individuals with their own thoughts and beli

u/Cornflakes_91

hence why its indium not iridium

u/crevettexbenite

China was behind the West for a long time. And they genuinly worked to cure their fault. Still a lot to go, but they seem to not fuck their people like the West...

u/dervu

Yep, definitely not as close as nanosheet.

u/napkin41

I feel like all I’m hearing about on Reddit is China this, China that. I’m onto you China.

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/upyoars: --- > Chinese scientists have successfully developed a new technique for the **mass production** of high-quality “golden se

u/Cornflakes_91

hence why its indium not iridium

u/Cornflakes_91

hence why its indium not iridium

u/resuwreckoning

If the answer here is “nothing”, then you need to recognize just how biased this place is.

u/Minute_Attempt3063

What in the last 3 years has come from the US that has benefited people? Other then LLMs, and billions of dollars (likely in the trillions now) in LLM training.

u/Logical_Team6810

Tbf they've been talking about China's collapse for 20+ years. None of those predictions have come to pass.

u/Cornflakes_91

its more than cadmium, mercury and silver but yeah, its not *that* abundant, but we also dont need that much of it by civilisational standardy

u/SmokingLimone

>That is longer the case, China and to a lesser extent Europe, are now the brain drains Could we have a source for that. If this is based around Trump it's still too early to judge a tren

u/SmokingLimone

>That is longer the case, China and to a lesser extent Europe, are now the brain drains Could we have a source for that. If this is based around Trump it's still too early to judge a tren

u/Altruistic_View_9347

The backbone of good AI is the nanochips made by TSMC. If thats gone or any of the thousands of supply chains are affected. Managing anything other than chatgpt 3 becomes hard or impossible

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u/ElectrikDonuts

The tech above hasn't even benefited ppl either

u/yuxulu

Probably some iterative improvement of AI that makes it 1% better while demanding a billion more in funding.

u/noblecheese

yeah well exceptions always exist, I meant how it is used in a general way, as a source of information. It is very often wrong and if it becomes the norm to use it all the time it will reduce

u/weinsteinjin

Because China has more people than Europe and North America combined, and they are just as productive and innovative.

u/my_depravity_account

American insecurity is god damned hilarious. Literally cannot make any conversation about another country's success not immediately about themselves.

u/_chip

I hear you. It sounds good but turns out to be fluff pieces. China is so desperate to surpass the States sometimes it’s comical. And that’s that I have no personal issues against them.

u/immoralwalrus

You keep clicking, Reddit thinks you like China content, feeds you more China content. You think it's China conspiracy. Learn to train algorithms, seriously...

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/upyoars: --- > Chinese scientists have successfully developed a new technique for the **mass production** of high-quality “golden se

u/SublatedWissenschaft

Its cute you think you got a good education. You're denying American exceptionalism as a cultural force lol.

u/yuxulu

Well, it has every sign of the .com bubble. 1. Huge insane company valuations that consist of a large % of total market value 2. Every company adds AI to their product reguardless of releva

u/resuwreckoning

You probably choked when you said “including the US” lmao.

u/cogit2

I think the bigger issue is just how much rarer the elements are. We're talking going from silicon, with perhaps a sprinkling of Germaium depending on the process, the 8th most popular elemen

u/Kardinal

They're definitely making progress. And the Chinese people are just as smart as Westerners. We have no inherent or birthright superiority in the West. We are all just people. Human beings are

u/jloverich

Mitochondrial bioreactors

u/theartificialkid

Oh. What star are they going to commercialise it around?

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u/my_depravity_account

American insecurity is god damned hilarious. Literally cannot make any conversation about another country's success not immediately about themselves.

u/napkin41

I feel like all I’m hearing about on Reddit is China this, China that. I’m onto you China.

u/SublatedWissenschaft

For people who think they're the master race anointed by God to rule the world you Americans sure are insecure

u/_chip

I hear you. It sounds good but turns out to be fluff pieces. China is so desperate to surpass the States sometimes it’s comical. And that’s that I have no personal issues against them.

u/yuxulu

Exactly. Internet did not go away with the .com bibble. AI will stay too. It will transform our lives. It just won't replace everything like many here clearly expect it to.

u/garloid64

The US just defunded its entire research apparatus (previously the envy of the entire world) so you're not gonna be hearing much from them for the next 50 years, most likely.

u/DarthMeow504

We are not our government, we are not one political faction or ideology. Many of us vehemently disagree with the same things you condemn, and oppose them to the degree we are able. And indivi

u/weinsteinjin

Because China has more people than Europe and North America combined, and they are just as productive and innovative.

u/cjboffoli

Seeing as how the US has won the majority of Nobel prizes ever awarded, plenty of good advances come from the US.

u/Bay_Visions

Their chips and western chips are both backdoored. This is why militaries have special supply chains, forges and supervision over the whole production process for their chips.

u/Anen-o-me

They figured out how to produce the perfect 1:1 crystal atomic ratio. But that's nothing like being able to grow single crystal silicons for silicon chips.

u/garloid64

The US just defunded its entire research apparatus (previously the envy of the entire world) so you're not gonna be hearing much from them for the next 50 years, most likely.

u/Nitroglycol204

Oops. Though indium isn't that common either, is it?

u/resuwreckoning

That even acknowledging that the US does anything good is hard lmao.

u/Rightricket

Wow, China can really get shit done.

u/napkin41

I mean, I'm always engaging r/Futurology content, it seems frequent in here.

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u/LastMuel

This is most likely not a bubble. AI is currently powerful enough to give us better results than inept human beings. Pair that with rudimentary hardware and we have real problems with replaci

u/Maffioze

This title is misleading. They didn't achieve mass production, they achieve a scientific breakthrough that makes mass production a possibility. That doesn't mean they achieved mass production

u/garloid64

The US just defunded its entire research apparatus (previously the envy of the entire world) so you're not gonna be hearing much from them for the next 50 years, most likely.

u/cogit2

I think the bigger issue is just how much rarer the elements are. We're talking going from silicon, with perhaps a sprinkling of Germaium depending on the process, the 8th most popular elemen

u/immoralwalrus

You keep clicking, Reddit thinks you like China content, feeds you more China content. You think it's China conspiracy. Learn to train algorithms, seriously...

u/MerelyASimpleFan

Isn't Silicon popular because it is cheap, not because it is the best? Unless these materials can compete economically, I imagine it will mostly be used for niche applications.

u/yuxulu

Exactly. Internet did not go away with the .com bibble. AI will stay too. It will transform our lives. It just won't replace everything like many here clearly expect it to.

u/weinsteinjin

Because China has more people than Europe and North America combined, and they are just as productive and innovative.

u/Logical_Team6810

Tbf they've been talking about China's collapse for 20+ years. None of those predictions have come to pass.

u/Minute_Attempt3063

I think the person I replied to deleted their message

u/KGB_cutony

Not disagreeing, but I feel like context is important here. Yes scientific news headlines are iffy, seems like cancer's being cured every week and flying car's just days away. We as consumer

u/SmokingLimone

Looking at how Trump is behaving and almost every international leader seems to be sucking up to him, I kinda get why.

u/my_depravity_account

American insecurity is god damned hilarious. Literally cannot make any conversation about another country's success not immediately about themselves.

u/Bay_Visions

Their chips and western chips are both backdoored. This is why militaries have special supply chains, forges and supervision over the whole production process for their chips.

u/Boreras

Cool but despite what the title says lightyears away from commercialisation.

u/reckless_avacado

yes and who owns reddit

u/ptcounterpt

Thankfully, Trump has withdrawn America from any kind of scientific, technological, or medical investment, so he isn’t worried about an expensive international competition with China, Europe,

u/ElectrikDonuts

Well reddit is filled with Americans so you are definitely going to get a bias here But yes. Americans have basically no world view. Most prob can't even point out England on a map. And o

u/napkin41

I mean, I'm always engaging r/Futurology content, it seems frequent in here.

u/Bay_Visions

Their chips and western chips are both backdoored. This is why militaries have special supply chains, forges and supervision over the whole production process for their chips.

u/Altruistic_View_9347

The backbone of good AI is the nanochips made by TSMC. If thats gone or any of the thousands of supply chains are affected. Managing anything other than chatgpt 3 becomes hard or impossible

u/cjboffoli

Seeing as how the US has won the majority of Nobel prizes ever awarded, plenty of good advances come from the US.

u/Logical_Team6810

Tbf they've been talking about China's collapse for 20+ years. None of those predictions have come to pass.

u/ElectrikDonuts

WW2 really gave the US a complex. The power of our economy doesn't help for any level of modesty. And the complete absence of world view/understanding, Christian fundamentalism, and constan

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/upyoars: --- > Chinese scientists have successfully developed a new technique for the **mass production** of high-quality “golden se

u/napkin41

I mean, I'm always engaging r/Futurology content, it seems frequent in here.

u/irishhank

Better get used to it. Due to trumps great idea to kill science funding in the US, China will take the lead in advances in many fields.

u/Kardinal

They're definitely making progress. And the Chinese people are just as smart as Westerners. We have no inherent or birthright superiority in the West. We are all just people. Human beings are

u/DarthMeow504

We are not our government, we are not one political faction or ideology. Many of us vehemently disagree with the same things you condemn, and oppose them to the degree we are able. And indivi

u/NonConRon

I think you know what nation is growing and which is crumbling. If you've been around at all. You've already witnessed it. China is not your enemy.

u/DadBodGeneral

you are in the wrong timeline. reddit was the most anti-china place on the internet before trump got into power. everyone was talking about how china was going to collapse soon.

u/Minute_Attempt3063

What in the last 3 years has come from the US that has benefited people? Other then LLMs, and billions of dollars (likely in the trillions now) in LLM training.

u/_ryuujin_

thats just how tech is, its not exclusive to china. one breakthrough doesnt equal ready to release to the mass with a roi. i mean theres been multiple announcements that you can regrow tee

u/cogit2

I think the bigger issue is just how much rarer the elements are. We're talking going from silicon, with perhaps a sprinkling of Germaium depending on the process, the 8th most popular elemen

u/Nitroglycol204

Isn't iridium one of the rarest stable elements on the Periodic Table? Where are they going to get enough of it to replace all those silicon based chips?

u/Icyforgeaxe

It will crash and burn just like the early Internet did. Lots of dead small startups, a few big juggernauts coming out and changing the world. AI is still going to take over your everything.

u/Minute_Attempt3063

What in the last 3 years has come from the US that has benefited people? Other then LLMs, and billions of dollars (likely in the trillions now) in LLM training.

u/SublatedWissenschaft

Its cute you think you got a good education. You're denying American exceptionalism as a cultural force lol.

u/DadBodGeneral

you are in the wrong timeline. reddit was the most anti-china place on the internet before trump got into power. everyone was talking about how china was going to collapse soon.

u/weinsteinjin

Because China has more people than Europe and North America combined, and they are just as productive and innovative.

u/reckless_avacado

yes and who owns reddit

u/itisbutwhy

Will surpass? My guy, this is 2025. That ship has sailed.

u/napkin41

I feel like all I’m hearing about on Reddit is China this, China that. I’m onto you China.

u/Livid_Zucchini_1625

good grief. one sees tech innovations from all over the world including the US. China happens to being incredible work which is only going to get better while the US is decimating its scien

u/noblecheese

well, I hope you are right! :p But I've grown very pessimistic over the years

u/noblecheese

I don't think the LLM's are for the consumers benefit even though it is marketed hard in that way. I mean it's a totally shit product for the majority of consumers and yet it is pushed very h

u/Kardinal

They're definitely making progress. And the Chinese people are just as smart as Westerners. We have no inherent or birthright superiority in the West. We are all just people. Human beings are

u/resuwreckoning

If the answer here is “nothing”, then you need to recognize just how biased this place is.

u/napkin41

I mean, I'm always engaging r/Futurology content, it seems frequent in here.

u/mxlun

If you take the dumbest of any population, this will be the case. It's just a fact that Americans are richer and have more time, so you end up with way more stupid people online from here. Bu

u/pikabu01

what are some good advances coming from the US?

u/jloverich

Mitochondrial bioreactors

u/theartificialkid

Oh. What star are they going to commercialise it around?

u/Livid_Zucchini_1625

what does that mean

u/my_depravity_account

American insecurity is god damned hilarious. Literally cannot make any conversation about another country's success not immediately about themselves.

u/Nitroglycol204

Oops. Though indium isn't that common either, is it?

u/jloverich

Mitochondrial bioreactors

u/Deciheximal144

Has anyone seen this term "golden semiconductor" in use before this month? I couldn't find anything, looks like brand new marketing.

u/Livid_Zucchini_1625

good grief. one sees tech innovations from all over the world including the US. China happens to being incredible work which is only going to get better while the US is decimating its scien

u/yuxulu

That sounds similar to the .com bubble as well. Companies imagine every business be completely transformed and become 10x bigger. Sure, everything gets transformed. But the promised value did

u/mxlun

It's cute how full of hubris and condescending you're being. You are coming off like a narcissist who can't conceptualize the idea that people are individuals with their own thoughts and beli

u/Cornflakes_91

hence why its indium not iridium

u/DadBodGeneral

you are in the wrong timeline. reddit was the most anti-china place on the internet before trump got into power. everyone was talking about how china was going to collapse soon.

u/my_depravity_account

American insecurity is god damned hilarious. Literally cannot make any conversation about another country's success not immediately about themselves.

u/yuxulu

Bubble doesn't mean the tool is not powerful. It just mean it isn't bringing in the same economic value as expected. For example, emails are hundreds of times faster than sending a letter a

u/mxlun

If you take the dumbest of any population, this will be the case. It's just a fact that Americans are richer and have more time, so you end up with way more stupid people online from here. Bu

u/ptcounterpt

Thankfully, Trump has withdrawn America from any kind of scientific, technological, or medical investment, so he isn’t worried about an expensive international competition with China, Europe,

u/pikabu01

what are some good advances coming from the US?

u/DarthMeow504

We are not our government, we are not one political faction or ideology. Many of us vehemently disagree with the same things you condemn, and oppose them to the degree we are able. And indivi

u/SublatedWissenschaft

Its cute you think you got a good education. You're denying American exceptionalism as a cultural force lol.

u/immoralwalrus

Well, China is actually developing a lot of new tech so it'd be weird if this subreddit doesn't have Chinese content...

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/upyoars: --- > Chinese scientists have successfully developed a new technique for the **mass production** of high-quality “golden se

u/crevettexbenite

China was behind the West for a long time. And they genuinly worked to cure their fault. Still a lot to go, but they seem to not fuck their people like the West...

u/Cornflakes_91

its more than cadmium, mercury and silver but yeah, its not *that* abundant, but we also dont need that much of it by civilisational standardy

u/Valuable_Associate54

Normal country, 6-8 years, China, 1-3 years

u/immoralwalrus

Well, China is actually developing a lot of new tech so it'd be weird if this subreddit doesn't have Chinese content...

u/Livid_Zucchini_1625

selection bias

u/Logical_Team6810

Tbf they've been talking about China's collapse for 20+ years. None of those predictions have come to pass.

u/SublatedWissenschaft

Its cute you think you got a good education. You're denying American exceptionalism as a cultural force lol.

u/Maffioze

This title is misleading. They didn't achieve mass production, they achieve a scientific breakthrough that makes mass production a possibility. That doesn't mean they achieved mass production

u/noblecheese

yeah well exceptions always exist, I meant how it is used in a general way, as a source of information. It is very often wrong and if it becomes the norm to use it all the time it will reduce

u/Valuable_Associate54

Normal country, 6-8 years, China, 1-3 years

u/ElectrikDonuts

Well reddit is filled with Americans so you are definitely going to get a bias here But yes. Americans have basically no world view. Most prob can't even point out England on a map. And o

u/_chip

I hear you. It sounds good but turns out to be fluff pieces. China is so desperate to surpass the States sometimes it’s comical. And that’s that I have no personal issues against them.

u/Nitroglycol204

Oops. Though indium isn't that common either, is it?

u/noblecheese

yeah well exceptions always exist, I meant how it is used in a general way, as a source of information. It is very often wrong and if it becomes the norm to use it all the time it will reduce

u/resuwreckoning

If the answer here is “nothing”, then you need to recognize just how biased this place is.

u/yuxulu

Bubble doesn't mean the tool is not powerful. It just mean it isn't bringing in the same economic value as expected. For example, emails are hundreds of times faster than sending a letter a

u/Maffioze

This title is misleading. They didn't achieve mass production, they achieve a scientific breakthrough that makes mass production a possibility. That doesn't mean they achieved mass production

u/danielv123

No, its because it works. The price of the materials don't matter that much, the expensive part is the tools to grow them into a single massive crystal and etch trillions of features into the

u/garloid64

The US just defunded its entire research apparatus (previously the envy of the entire world) so you're not gonna be hearing much from them for the next 50 years, most likely.

u/diasextra

Can you elaborate?

u/reckless_avacado

yes and who owns reddit

u/SublatedWissenschaft

Every American is deeply propagandized to believe American Exceptionalism to varying degrees. It is a core part of American mythology that is taught in schools and accepted as true by the gov

u/SmokingLimone

Looking at how Trump is behaving and almost every international leader seems to be sucking up to him, I kinda get why.

u/Nitroglycol204

Oops. Though indium isn't that common either, is it?

u/ashoka_akira

The real question is how long till they achieve mass production.

u/DreamChaserSt

I also think AI might burst, with regards to slapping a chat function on everything and similar services. But AI itself will not go away, and after the burst, what remains will stick better t

u/itisbutwhy

Will surpass? My guy, this is 2025. That ship has sailed.

u/Boreras

Cool but despite what the title says lightyears away from commercialisation.

u/Unique_Tap_8730

There are still advancements coming from the US. But with all the massive fusing cuts expect US scientific output to decrease in the coming years while china continues to progress.

u/Cornflakes_91

its more than cadmium, mercury and silver but yeah, its not *that* abundant, but we also dont need that much of it by civilisational standardy

u/Maffioze

This title is misleading. They didn't achieve mass production, they achieve a scientific breakthrough that makes mass production a possibility. That doesn't mean they achieved mass production

u/reckless_avacado

yes and who owns reddit

u/SXLightning

Only country willing to do anything, everyone else is stagnant

u/Unique_Tap_8730

There are still advancements coming from the US. But with all the massive fusing cuts expect US scientific output to decrease in the coming years while china continues to progress.

u/auyemra

the US doesn't have to tell the world what it's doing to prove itself to the world.

u/Kardinal

They're definitely making progress. And the Chinese people are just as smart as Westerners. We have no inherent or birthright superiority in the West. We are all just people. Human beings are

u/_ryuujin_

thats just how tech is, its not exclusive to china. one breakthrough doesnt equal ready to release to the mass with a roi. i mean theres been multiple announcements that you can regrow tee

u/ElectrikDonuts

Well reddit is filled with Americans so you are definitely going to get a bias here But yes. Americans have basically no world view. Most prob can't even point out England on a map. And o

u/Anen-o-me

They figured out how to produce the perfect 1:1 crystal atomic ratio. But that's nothing like being able to grow single crystal silicons for silicon chips.

u/Valuable_Associate54

Normal country, 6-8 years, China, 1-3 years

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/upyoars: --- > Chinese scientists have successfully developed a new technique for the **mass production** of high-quality “golden se

u/immoralwalrus

You keep clicking, Reddit thinks you like China content, feeds you more China content. You think it's China conspiracy. Learn to train algorithms, seriously...

u/immoralwalrus

Well, China is actually developing a lot of new tech so it'd be weird if this subreddit doesn't have Chinese content...

u/simplesimonsaysno

I'll believe it when I see it. I hear so many stories of China's amazing technological advances. None of them come to fruition. Just China pumping out the propaganda as usual.

u/mxlun

It's cute how full of hubris and condescending you're being. You are coming off like a narcissist who can't conceptualize the idea that people are individuals with their own thoughts and beli

u/jloverich

Mitochondrial bioreactors

u/SublatedWissenschaft

You are a fascist and ignorant society with no value. You don't get to wash your hands when you are a product of that society no matter how much of an "individual" you think you are.

u/Minute_Attempt3063

I think the person I replied to deleted their message

u/VeganBaguette

Shitty website but this is the article in Science : https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adu3803

u/yuxulu

Well, it has every sign of the .com bubble. 1. Huge insane company valuations that consist of a large % of total market value 2. Every company adds AI to their product reguardless of releva

u/__Maximum__

The last time I checked, the productivity gap is still significant

u/jloverich

Mitochondrial bioreactors

u/Valuable_Associate54

Normal country, 6-8 years, China, 1-3 years

u/SXLightning

Only country willing to do anything, everyone else is stagnant

u/yuxulu

That sounds similar to the .com bubble as well. Companies imagine every business be completely transformed and become 10x bigger. Sure, everything gets transformed. But the promised value did

u/KrissyKrave

What about long term exposure when it’s in every electronic device in our lives. What about when people begin throwing old devices out? I’m not saying it’s definitely going to be bad but I am

u/auyemra

the US doesn't have to tell the world what it's doing to prove itself to the world.

u/Minute_Attempt3063

I think the person I replied to deleted their message

u/SublatedWissenschaft

Every American is deeply propagandized to believe American Exceptionalism to varying degrees. It is a core part of American mythology that is taught in schools and accepted as true by the gov

u/yuxulu

Bubble doesn't mean the tool is not powerful. It just mean it isn't bringing in the same economic value as expected. For example, emails are hundreds of times faster than sending a letter a

u/itisbutwhy

Will surpass? My guy, this is 2025. That ship has sailed.

u/Logical_Team6810

Tbf they've been talking about China's collapse for 20+ years. None of those predictions have come to pass.

u/SmokingLimone

Looking at how Trump is behaving and almost every international leader seems to be sucking up to him, I kinda get why.

u/ElectrikDonuts

WW2 really gave the US a complex. The power of our economy doesn't help for any level of modesty. And the complete absence of world view/understanding, Christian fundamentalism, and constan

u/resuwreckoning

If the answer here is “nothing”, then you need to recognize just how biased this place is.

u/garloid64

The US just defunded its entire research apparatus (previously the envy of the entire world) so you're not gonna be hearing much from them for the next 50 years, most likely.

u/Anen-o-me

They figured out how to produce the perfect 1:1 crystal atomic ratio. But that's nothing like being able to grow single crystal silicons for silicon chips.

u/yuxulu

Bubble doesn't mean the tool is not powerful. It just mean it isn't bringing in the same economic value as expected. For example, emails are hundreds of times faster than sending a letter a

u/ElectrikDonuts

That's cause everything coming out of the US is trump bullshit. You don't see any of the good advances the US is making via the news. And China is the opposite. They won't allow anything b

u/jloverich

Mitochondrial bioreactors

u/simplesimonsaysno

I'll believe it when I see it. I hear so many stories of China's amazing technological advances. None of them come to fruition. Just China pumping out the propaganda as usual.

u/ptcounterpt

Thankfully, Trump has withdrawn America from any kind of scientific, technological, or medical investment, so he isn’t worried about an expensive international competition with China, Europe,

u/mxlun

Lol, who gave you that propaganda? I went to school here and got a well-rounded, robust education. You know, science, math, art. Not whatever you're talking about. The US is a huge place, ac

u/crevettexbenite

China was behind the West for a long time. And they genuinly worked to cure their fault. Still a lot to go, but they seem to not fuck their people like the West...

u/ElectrikDonuts

The tech above hasn't even benefited ppl either

u/noblecheese

well, I hope you are right! :p But I've grown very pessimistic over the years

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u/__Maximum__

The last time I checked, the productivity gap is still significant

u/Kingdom_Priest

This is the reason why the US will never be a leader ever again. You have half the country being so anti-intellectual, and the government actively dismantling the education system, whereas yo

u/Livid_Zucchini_1625

good grief. one sees tech innovations from all over the world including the US. China happens to being incredible work which is only going to get better while the US is decimating its scien

u/WalterWoodiaz

Btw most research that doesn’t mention the country on this subreddit is from the US lol

u/immoralwalrus

Well, China is actually developing a lot of new tech so it'd be weird if this subreddit doesn't have Chinese content...

u/Logical_Team6810

Tbf they've been talking about China's collapse for 20+ years. None of those predictions have come to pass.

u/DreamChaserSt

I also think AI might burst, with regards to slapping a chat function on everything and similar services. But AI itself will not go away, and after the burst, what remains will stick better t

u/ElectrikDonuts

The tech above hasn't even benefited ppl either

u/DarthMeow504

We are not our government, we are not one political faction or ideology. Many of us vehemently disagree with the same things you condemn, and oppose them to the degree we are able. And indivi

u/noblecheese

I don't think the LLM's are for the consumers benefit even though it is marketed hard in that way. I mean it's a totally shit product for the majority of consumers and yet it is pushed very h

u/ElectrikDonuts

That's cause everything coming out of the US is trump bullshit. You don't see any of the good advances the US is making via the news. And China is the opposite. They won't allow anything b

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u/theartificialkid

Oh. What star are they going to commercialise it around?

u/Valuable_Associate54

Normal country, 6-8 years, China, 1-3 years

u/Nitroglycol204

Isn't iridium one of the rarest stable elements on the Periodic Table? Where are they going to get enough of it to replace all those silicon based chips?

u/napkin41

I feel like all I’m hearing about on Reddit is China this, China that. I’m onto you China.

u/upyoars

> Chinese scientists have successfully developed a new technique for the **mass production** of high-quality “golden semiconductor” indium selenide, paving the way for a new generation of

u/ashoka_akira

The real question is how long till they achieve mass production.

u/cjboffoli

Seeing as how the US has won the majority of Nobel prizes ever awarded, plenty of good advances come from the US.

u/__Maximum__

The last time I checked, the productivity gap is still significant

u/SublatedWissenschaft

For people who think they're the master race anointed by God to rule the world you Americans sure are insecure

u/DadBodGeneral

you are in the wrong timeline. reddit was the most anti-china place on the internet before trump got into power. everyone was talking about how china was going to collapse soon.

u/irishhank

Better get used to it. Due to trumps great idea to kill science funding in the US, China will take the lead in advances in many fields.

u/Altruistic_View_9347

The backbone of good AI is the nanochips made by TSMC. If thats gone or any of the thousands of supply chains are affected. Managing anything other than chatgpt 3 becomes hard or impossible

u/irishhank

Better get used to it. Due to trumps great idea to kill science funding in the US, China will take the lead in advances in many fields.

u/Minute_Attempt3063

I think the person I replied to deleted their message

u/ElectrikDonuts

The tech above hasn't even benefited ppl either

u/SXLightning

Only country willing to do anything, everyone else is stagnant

u/_chip

I hear you. It sounds good but turns out to be fluff pieces. China is so desperate to surpass the States sometimes it’s comical. And that’s that I have no personal issues against them.

u/auyemra

the US doesn't have to tell the world what it's doing to prove itself to the world.

u/resuwreckoning

If the answer here is “nothing”, then you need to recognize just how biased this place is.

u/JustinTheCheetah

It's mostly bullshit anyway. Remember how they said they cured diabetes? And then they had stable fusion? They make these wild claims every week then go radio silent. Then about a week later

u/Cornflakes_91

hence why its indium not iridium

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u/ElectrikDonuts

That's cause everything coming out of the US is trump bullshit. You don't see any of the good advances the US is making via the news. And China is the opposite. They won't allow anyone bad

u/splerjg

I really can't wait till this AI hype train crashes and the tech conglomerates humbled. The hubris is just so much that I'd rather do away with all their tech comforts and live a 90s life.

u/ElectrikDonuts

Well reddit is filled with Americans so you are definitely going to get a bias here But yes. Americans have basically no world view. Most prob can't even point out England on a map. And o

u/simplesimonsaysno

I'll believe it when I see it. I hear so many stories of China's amazing technological advances. None of them come to fruition. Just China pumping out the propaganda as usual.

u/JFSOCC

yeah they stole that information from ASML here in the Netherlands.

u/weinsteinjin

Because China has more people than Europe and North America combined, and they are just as productive and innovative.

u/pikabu01

what are some good advances coming from the US?

u/mxlun

You think your average americans thinks like that? Like at all? You're the one who's been propagandized, lol. We're just people like you

u/SXLightning

Only country willing to do anything, everyone else is stagnant

u/Bay_Visions

Their chips and western chips are both backdoored. This is why militaries have special supply chains, forges and supervision over the whole production process for their chips.

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u/MerelyASimpleFan

Isn't Silicon popular because it is cheap, not because it is the best? Unless these materials can compete economically, I imagine it will mostly be used for niche applications.

u/yuxulu

That sounds similar to the .com bubble as well. Companies imagine every business be completely transformed and become 10x bigger. Sure, everything gets transformed. But the promised value did

u/pikabu01

what are some good advances coming from the US?

u/yuxulu

Well, it has every sign of the .com bubble. 1. Huge insane company valuations that consist of a large % of total market value 2. Every company adds AI to their product reguardless of releva

u/Altruistic_View_9347

The backbone of good AI is the nanochips made by TSMC. If thats gone or any of the thousands of supply chains are affected. Managing anything other than chatgpt 3 becomes hard or impossible

u/NonConRon

1. Capitalism is listening to every word. 2. Capitalism is protected by fascism. Capitalism actively funds fascism. 3. If I were a party member I would also monitor these systems. [Liter

u/itisbutwhy

Will surpass? My guy, this is 2025. That ship has sailed.

u/Minute_Attempt3063

What in the last 3 years has come from the US that has benefited people? Other then LLMs, and billions of dollars (likely in the trillions now) in LLM training.

u/_ryuujin_

probably a higher than avg percentage, since wealthy and smart people from other countries pick the us as a place to migrate to. maybe not this very moment. but its alot more than avg.

u/danielv123

No, its because it works. The price of the materials don't matter that much, the expensive part is the tools to grow them into a single massive crystal and etch trillions of features into the

u/irishhank

Better get used to it. Due to trumps great idea to kill science funding in the US, China will take the lead in advances in many fields.

u/Nitroglycol204

Oops. Though indium isn't that common either, is it?

u/cogit2

I think the bigger issue is just how much rarer the elements are. We're talking going from silicon, with perhaps a sprinkling of Germaium depending on the process, the 8th most popular elemen

u/SmokingLimone

Looking at how Trump is behaving and almost every international leader seems to be sucking up to him, I kinda get why.

u/theartificialkid

Oh. What star are they going to commercialise it around?

u/napkin41

I feel like all I’m hearing about on Reddit is China this, China that. I’m onto you China.

u/__Maximum__

The last time I checked, the productivity gap is still significant

u/Lev_Davidovich

The US has been a leader in science and research for the last few decades but that's beginning to change. The US used to be a brain drain on the rest of the world, the most talented scientist

u/mxlun

Lol, who gave you that propaganda? I went to school here and got a well-rounded, robust education. You know, science, math, art. Not whatever you're talking about. The US is a huge place, ac

u/SublatedWissenschaft

Every American is deeply propagandized to believe American Exceptionalism to varying degrees. It is a core part of American mythology that is taught in schools and accepted as true by the gov

u/yuxulu

That sounds similar to the .com bubble as well. Companies imagine every business be completely transformed and become 10x bigger. Sure, everything gets transformed. But the promised value did

u/cogit2

I think the bigger issue is just how much rarer the elements are. We're talking going from silicon, with perhaps a sprinkling of Germaium depending on the process, the 8th most popular elemen

u/my_depravity_account

American insecurity is god damned hilarious. Literally cannot make any conversation about another country's success not immediately about themselves.

u/Boreras

Cool but despite what the title says lightyears away from commercialisation.

u/Lev_Davidovich

The US has been a leader in science and research for the last few decades but that's beginning to change. The US used to be a brain drain on the rest of the world, the most talented scientist

u/DarthMeow504

We are not our government, we are not one political faction or ideology. Many of us vehemently disagree with the same things you condemn, and oppose them to the degree we are able. And indivi

u/upyoars

> Chinese scientists have successfully developed a new technique for the **mass production** of high-quality “golden semiconductor” indium selenide, paving the way for a new generation of

u/Valuable_Associate54

Normal country, 6-8 years, China, 1-3 years

u/crevettexbenite

China was behind the West for a long time. And they genuinly worked to cure their fault. Still a lot to go, but they seem to not fuck their people like the West...

u/ElectrikDonuts

Well reddit is filled with Americans so you are definitely going to get a bias here But yes. Americans have basically no world view. Most prob can't even point out England on a map. And o

u/MerelyASimpleFan

Isn't Silicon popular because it is cheap, not because it is the best? Unless these materials can compete economically, I imagine it will mostly be used for niche applications.

u/Boreras

Cool but despite what the title says lightyears away from commercialisation.

u/cjboffoli

Seeing as how the US has won the majority of Nobel prizes ever awarded, plenty of good advances come from the US.

u/crevettexbenite

China was behind the West for a long time. And they genuinly worked to cure their fault. Still a lot to go, but they seem to not fuck their people like the West...

u/noblecheese

yeah well exceptions always exist, I meant how it is used in a general way, as a source of information. It is very often wrong and if it becomes the norm to use it all the time it will reduce

u/napkin41

I feel like all I’m hearing about on Reddit is China this, China that. I’m onto you China.

u/_ryuujin_

probably a higher than avg percentage, since wealthy and smart people from other countries pick the us as a place to migrate to. maybe not this very moment. but its alot more than avg.

u/splerjg

I really can't wait till this AI hype train crashes and the tech conglomerates humbled. The hubris is just so much that I'd rather do away with all their tech comforts and live a 90s life.

u/ptcounterpt

Thankfully, Trump has withdrawn America from any kind of scientific, technological, or medical investment, so he isn’t worried about an expensive international competition with China, Europe,

u/napkin41

I mean, I'm always engaging r/Futurology content, it seems frequent in here.

u/noblecheese

yeah well exceptions always exist, I meant how it is used in a general way, as a source of information. It is very often wrong and if it becomes the norm to use it all the time it will reduce

u/VeganBaguette

Shitty website but this is the article in Science : https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adu3803

u/ElectrikDonuts

That's cause everything coming out of the US is trump bullshit. You don't see any of the good advances the US is making via the news. And China is the opposite. They won't allow anything b

u/SublatedWissenschaft

Its cute you think you got a good education. You're denying American exceptionalism as a cultural force lol.

u/Nitroglycol204

Oops. Though indium isn't that common either, is it?

u/SublatedWissenschaft

You are a fascist and ignorant society with no value. You don't get to wash your hands when you are a product of that society no matter how much of an "individual" you think you are.

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/upyoars: --- > Chinese scientists have successfully developed a new technique for the **mass production** of high-quality “golden se

u/Lev_Davidovich

The US has been a leader in science and research for the last few decades but that's beginning to change. The US used to be a brain drain on the rest of the world, the most talented scientist

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u/Rightricket

Wow, China can really get shit done.

u/noblecheese

well, I hope you are right! :p But I've grown very pessimistic over the years

u/SublatedWissenschaft

For people who think they're the master race anointed by God to rule the world you Americans sure are insecure

u/ElectrikDonuts

The tech above hasn't even benefited ppl either

u/crevettexbenite

China was behind the West for a long time. And they genuinly worked to cure their fault. Still a lot to go, but they seem to not fuck their people like the West...

u/_chip

I hear you. It sounds good but turns out to be fluff pieces. China is so desperate to surpass the States sometimes it’s comical. And that’s that I have no personal issues against them.

u/_ryuujin_

probably a higher than avg percentage, since wealthy and smart people from other countries pick the us as a place to migrate to. maybe not this very moment. but its alot more than avg.

u/LastMuel

This is most likely not a bubble. AI is currently powerful enough to give us better results than inept human beings. Pair that with rudimentary hardware and we have real problems with replaci

u/yuxulu

Well, it has every sign of the .com bubble. 1. Huge insane company valuations that consist of a large % of total market value 2. Every company adds AI to their product reguardless of releva

u/Bay_Visions

Their chips and western chips are both backdoored. This is why militaries have special supply chains, forges and supervision over the whole production process for their chips.

u/Unique_Tap_8730

There are still advancements coming from the US. But with all the massive fusing cuts expect US scientific output to decrease in the coming years while china continues to progress.

u/FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/upyoars: --- > Chinese scientists have successfully developed a new technique for the **mass production** of high-quality “golden se

u/dervu

Yep, definitely not as close as nanosheet.

u/Lev_Davidovich

The US has been a leader in science and research for the last few decades but that's beginning to change. The US used to be a brain drain on the rest of the world, the most talented scientist

u/Futurology-ModTeam

Your post was removed. Low effort.

u/Kingdom_Priest

This is the reason why the US will never be a leader ever again. You have half the country being so anti-intellectual, and the government actively dismantling the education system, whereas yo

u/Altruistic_View_9347

The backbone of good AI is the nanochips made by TSMC. If thats gone or any of the thousands of supply chains are affected. Managing anything other than chatgpt 3 becomes hard or impossible

u/yuxulu

Bubble doesn't mean the tool is not powerful. It just mean it isn't bringing in the same economic value as expected. For example, emails are hundreds of times faster than sending a letter a

u/yuxulu

Well, it has every sign of the .com bubble. 1. Huge insane company valuations that consist of a large % of total market value 2. Every company adds AI to their product reguardless of releva

u/Logical_Team6810

Tbf they've been talking about China's collapse for 20+ years. None of those predictions have come to pass.

u/VeganBaguette

Shitty website but this is the article in Science : https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adu3803

u/Anen-o-me

They figured out how to produce the perfect 1:1 crystal atomic ratio. But that's nothing like being able to grow single crystal silicons for silicon chips.

u/pikabu01

what are some good advances coming from the US?

u/DadBodGeneral

you are in the wrong timeline. reddit was the most anti-china place on the internet before trump got into power. everyone was talking about how china was going to collapse soon.

u/MerelyASimpleFan

Isn't Silicon popular because it is cheap, not because it is the best? Unless these materials can compete economically, I imagine it will mostly be used for niche applications.

u/ElectrikDonuts

That's cause everything coming out of the US is trump bullshit. You don't see any of the good advances the US is making via the news. And China is the opposite. They won't allow anything b

u/upyoars

> Chinese scientists have successfully developed a new technique for the **mass production** of high-quality “golden semiconductor” indium selenide, paving the way for a new generation of

u/yuxulu

Probably some iterative improvement of AI that makes it 1% better while demanding a billion more in funding.

u/SublatedWissenschaft

For people who think they're the master race anointed by God to rule the world you Americans sure are insecure

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u/Unique_Tap_8730

There are still advancements coming from the US. But with all the massive fusing cuts expect US scientific output to decrease in the coming years while china continues to progress.

u/yuxulu

Probably some iterative improvement of AI that makes it 1% better while demanding a billion more in funding.

u/theartificialkid

Oh. What star are they going to commercialise it around?

u/DadBodGeneral

you are in the wrong timeline. reddit was the most anti-china place on the internet before trump got into power. everyone was talking about how china was going to collapse soon.

u/yuxulu

That sounds similar to the .com bubble as well. Companies imagine every business be completely transformed and become 10x bigger. Sure, everything gets transformed. But the promised value did

u/noblecheese

well, I hope you are right! :p But I've grown very pessimistic over the years

u/mxlun

You think your average americans thinks like that? Like at all? You're the one who's been propagandized, lol. We're just people like you

u/_ryuujin_

probably a higher than avg percentage, since wealthy and smart people from other countries pick the us as a place to migrate to. maybe not this very moment. but its alot more than avg.

u/Minute_Attempt3063

What in the last 3 years has come from the US that has benefited people? Other then LLMs, and billions of dollars (likely in the trillions now) in LLM training.

u/Cornflakes_91

hence why its indium not iridium

u/SublatedWissenschaft

You are a fascist and ignorant society with no value. You don't get to wash your hands when you are a product of that society no matter how much of an "individual" you think you are.

u/my_depravity_account

American insecurity is god damned hilarious. Literally cannot make any conversation about another country's success not immediately about themselves.

u/cjboffoli

Seeing as how the US has won the majority of Nobel prizes ever awarded, plenty of good advances come from the US.

u/SublatedWissenschaft

Its cute you think you got a good education. You're denying American exceptionalism as a cultural force lol.

u/Kardinal

They're definitely making progress. And the Chinese people are just as smart as Westerners. We have no inherent or birthright superiority in the West. We are all just people. Human beings are

u/ElectrikDonuts

WW2 really gave the US a complex. The power of our economy doesn't help for any level of modesty. And the complete absence of world view/understanding, Christian fundamentalism, and constan

u/ashoka_akira

The real question is how long till they achieve mass production.

u/mxlun

If you take the dumbest of any population, this will be the case. It's just a fact that Americans are richer and have more time, so you end up with way more stupid people online from here. Bu

u/Livid_Zucchini_1625

good grief. one sees tech innovations from all over the world including the US. China happens to being incredible work which is only going to get better while the US is decimating its scien

u/SublatedWissenschaft

Every American is deeply propagandized to believe American Exceptionalism to varying degrees. It is a core part of American mythology that is taught in schools and accepted as true by the gov

u/_ryuujin_

probably a higher than avg percentage, since wealthy and smart people from other countries pick the us as a place to migrate to. maybe not this very moment. but its alot more than avg.

u/resuwreckoning

Go back to the 1960’s and you’ll see the literal same type of posts about the Soviets. Even the Nobel prize economist Paul Samuelson predicted that the USSR would surpass the US in GDP….by 1

u/Unique_Tap_8730

There are still advancements coming from the US. But with all the massive fusing cuts expect US scientific output to decrease in the coming years while china continues to progress.

u/pikabu01

what are some good advances coming from the US?

u/Unique_Tap_8730

There are still advancements coming from the US. But with all the massive fusing cuts expect US scientific output to decrease in the coming years while china continues to progress.

u/ElectrikDonuts

That's cause everything coming out of the US is trump bullshit. You don't see any of the good advances the US is making via the news. And China is the opposite. They won't allow anything b

u/mxlun

Lol, who gave you that propaganda? I went to school here and got a well-rounded, robust education. You know, science, math, art. Not whatever you're talking about. The US is a huge place, ac

u/cogit2

I think the bigger issue is just how much rarer the elements are. We're talking going from silicon, with perhaps a sprinkling of Germaium depending on the process, the 8th most popular elemen

u/Livid_Zucchini_1625

selection bias

u/ElectrikDonuts

The tech above hasn't even benefited ppl either

u/mxlun

Lol, who gave you that propaganda? I went to school here and got a well-rounded, robust education. You know, science, math, art. Not whatever you're talking about. The US is a huge place, ac

u/Livid_Zucchini_1625

selection bias

u/Cornflakes_91

its more than cadmium, mercury and silver but yeah, its not *that* abundant, but we also dont need that much of it by civilisational standardy

u/reckless_avacado

yes and who owns reddit

u/yuxulu

Well, it has every sign of the .com bubble. 1. Huge insane company valuations that consist of a large % of total market value 2. Every company adds AI to their product reguardless of releva

u/Minute_Attempt3063

What in the last 3 years has come from the US that has benefited people? Other then LLMs, and billions of dollars (likely in the trillions now) in LLM training.

u/DarthMeow504

We are not our government, we are not one political faction or ideology. Many of us vehemently disagree with the same things you condemn, and oppose them to the degree we are able. And indivi

u/MerelyASimpleFan

Isn't Silicon popular because it is cheap, not because it is the best? Unless these materials can compete economically, I imagine it will mostly be used for niche applications.

u/mxlun

Lol, who gave you that propaganda? I went to school here and got a well-rounded, robust education. You know, science, math, art. Not whatever you're talking about. The US is a huge place, ac

u/noblecheese

well, I hope you are right! :p But I've grown very pessimistic over the years

u/SmokingLimone

Looking at how Trump is behaving and almost every international leader seems to be sucking up to him, I kinda get why.

u/crevettexbenite

China was behind the West for a long time. And they genuinly worked to cure their fault. Still a lot to go, but they seem to not fuck their people like the West...

u/yuxulu

Well, it has every sign of the .com bubble. 1. Huge insane company valuations that consist of a large % of total market value 2. Every company adds AI to their product reguardless of releva

u/__Maximum__

The last time I checked, the productivity gap is still significant

u/VeganBaguette

Shitty website but this is the article in Science : https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adu3803

u/hoodywolfu

China has another level in terms of development and innovations.

u/LastMuel

This is most likely not a bubble. AI is currently powerful enough to give us better results than inept human beings. Pair that with rudimentary hardware and we have real problems with replaci

u/yuxulu

That sounds similar to the .com bubble as well. Companies imagine every business be completely transformed and become 10x bigger. Sure, everything gets transformed. But the promised value did

u/Boreras

Cool but despite what the title says lightyears away from commercialisation.

u/Valuable_Associate54

Normal country, 6-8 years, China, 1-3 years

u/Brinkster05

Congrats on working in medical research. That means nothing in this context. Never said the self implosion was not real. That does not mean there have not been changes in algorithmic data des

u/ElectrikDonuts

WW2 really gave the US a complex. The power of our economy doesn't help for any level of modesty. And the complete absence of world view/understanding, Christian fundamentalism, and constan

u/LastMuel

This is most likely not a bubble. AI is currently powerful enough to give us better results than inept human beings. Pair that with rudimentary hardware and we have real problems with replaci

u/LastMuel

This is most likely not a bubble. AI is currently powerful enough to give us better results than inept human beings. Pair that with rudimentary hardware and we have real problems with replaci

u/ElectrikDonuts

That's cause everything coming out of the US is trump bullshit. You don't see any of the good advances the US is making via the news. And China is the opposite. They won't allow anything b

u/crevettexbenite

China was behind the West for a long time. And they genuinly worked to cure their fault. Still a lot to go, but they seem to not fuck their people like the West...

u/LastMuel

This is most likely not a bubble. AI is currently powerful enough to give us better results than inept human beings. Pair that with rudimentary hardware and we have real problems with replaci

u/noblecheese

I don't think the LLM's are for the consumers benefit even though it is marketed hard in that way. I mean it's a totally shit product for the majority of consumers and yet it is pushed very h

u/Anen-o-me

They figured out how to produce the perfect 1:1 crystal atomic ratio. But that's nothing like being able to grow single crystal silicons for silicon chips.

u/_ryuujin_

thats just how tech is, its not exclusive to china. one breakthrough doesnt equal ready to release to the mass with a roi. i mean theres been multiple announcements that you can regrow tee

u/immoralwalrus

Well, China is actually developing a lot of new tech so it'd be weird if this subreddit doesn't have Chinese content...

u/ElectrikDonuts

WW2 really gave the US a complex. The power of our economy doesn't help for any level of modesty. And the complete absence of world view/understanding, Christian fundamentalism, and constan

u/yuxulu

Probably some iterative improvement of AI that makes it 1% better while demanding a billion more in funding.

u/resuwreckoning

If the answer here is “nothing”, then you need to recognize just how biased this place is.

u/cogit2

I think the bigger issue is just how much rarer the elements are. We're talking going from silicon, with perhaps a sprinkling of Germaium depending on the process, the 8th most popular elemen

u/Nitroglycol204

Isn't iridium one of the rarest stable elements on the Periodic Table? Where are they going to get enough of it to replace all those silicon based chips?

u/yuxulu

Probably some iterative improvement of AI that makes it 1% better while demanding a billion more in funding.

u/Minute_Attempt3063

I think the person I replied to deleted their message

u/SmokingLimone

Looking at how Trump is behaving and almost every international leader seems to be sucking up to him, I kinda get why.

u/mxlun

It's cute how full of hubris and condescending you're being. You are coming off like a narcissist who can't conceptualize the idea that people are individuals with their own thoughts and beli

u/mxlun

You think your average americans thinks like that? Like at all? You're the one who's been propagandized, lol. We're just people like you

u/theartificialkid

Oh. What star are they going to commercialise it around?

u/dervu

Yep, definitely not as close as nanosheet.

u/reckless_avacado

yes and who owns reddit

u/weinsteinjin

Because China has more people than Europe and North America combined, and they are just as productive and innovative.

u/SublatedWissenschaft

Its cute you think you got a good education. You're denying American exceptionalism as a cultural force lol.

u/DreamChaserSt

I also think AI might burst, with regards to slapping a chat function on everything and similar services. But AI itself will not go away, and after the burst, what remains will stick better t

u/splerjg

I really can't wait till this AI hype train crashes and the tech conglomerates humbled. The hubris is just so much that I'd rather do away with all their tech comforts and live a 90s life.

u/Bay_Visions

Their chips and western chips are both backdoored. This is why militaries have special supply chains, forges and supervision over the whole production process for their chips.

u/ElectrikDonuts

The tech above hasn't even benefited ppl either

u/yuxulu

Well, it has every sign of the .com bubble. 1. Huge insane company valuations that consist of a large % of total market value 2. Every company adds AI to their product reguardless of releva

u/ElectrikDonuts

Well reddit is filled with Americans so you are definitely going to get a bias here But yes. Americans have basically no world view. Most prob can't even point out England on a map. And o

u/ashoka_akira

The real question is how long till they achieve mass production.

u/napkin41

I feel like all I’m hearing about on Reddit is China this, China that. I’m onto you China.

u/Bay_Visions

Their chips and western chips are both backdoored. This is why militaries have special supply chains, forges and supervision over the whole production process for their chips.

u/ElectrikDonuts

The tech above hasn't even benefited ppl either

u/SXLightning

Only country willing to do anything, everyone else is stagnant

u/__Maximum__

The last time I checked, the productivity gap is still significant

u/cjboffoli

Seeing as how the US has won the majority of Nobel prizes ever awarded, plenty of good advances come from the US.

u/dervu

Yep, definitely not as close as nanosheet.

u/dervu

Yep, definitely not as close as nanosheet.

u/Unique_Tap_8730

There are still advancements coming from the US. But with all the massive fusing cuts expect US scientific output to decrease in the coming years while china continues to progress.

u/danielv123

No, its because it works. The price of the materials don't matter that much, the expensive part is the tools to grow them into a single massive crystal and etch trillions of features into the

u/__Maximum__

The last time I checked, the productivity gap is still significant

u/prelsi

Plus, the bots

u/ptcounterpt

Thankfully, Trump has withdrawn America from any kind of scientific, technological, or medical investment, so he isn’t worried about an expensive international competition with China, Europe,

u/Cornflakes_91

its more than cadmium, mercury and silver but yeah, its not *that* abundant, but we also dont need that much of it by civilisational standardy

u/Nitroglycol204

Isn't iridium one of the rarest stable elements on the Periodic Table? Where are they going to get enough of it to replace all those silicon based chips?

u/noblecheese

yeah well exceptions always exist, I meant how it is used in a general way, as a source of information. It is very often wrong and if it becomes the norm to use it all the time it will reduce

u/Boreras

Cool but despite what the title says lightyears away from commercialisation.

u/Minute_Attempt3063

What in the last 3 years has come from the US that has benefited people? Other then LLMs, and billions of dollars (likely in the trillions now) in LLM training.

u/yuxulu

Bubble doesn't mean the tool is not powerful. It just mean it isn't bringing in the same economic value as expected. For example, emails are hundreds of times faster than sending a letter a

u/MerelyASimpleFan

Isn't Silicon popular because it is cheap, not because it is the best? Unless these materials can compete economically, I imagine it will mostly be used for niche applications.

u/West-Abalone-171

Selenium is an essential nutrient and indium is non-toxic enough you can chew it like gum. If you ate an entire cpu every day you wouldn't reach the recommended minimum intake. Freaking out

u/Kingdom_Priest

This is the reason why the US will never be a leader ever again. You have half the country being so anti-intellectual, and the government actively dismantling the education system, whereas yo

u/_chip

I hear you. It sounds good but turns out to be fluff pieces. China is so desperate to surpass the States sometimes it’s comical. And that’s that I have no personal issues against them.

u/splerjg

I really can't wait till this AI hype train crashes and the tech conglomerates humbled. The hubris is just so much that I'd rather do away with all their tech comforts and live a 90s life.

u/danielv123

No, its because it works. The price of the materials don't matter that much, the expensive part is the tools to grow them into a single massive crystal and etch trillions of features into the

u/Maffioze

This title is misleading. They didn't achieve mass production, they achieve a scientific breakthrough that makes mass production a possibility. That doesn't mean they achieved mass production

u/immoralwalrus

You keep clicking, Reddit thinks you like China content, feeds you more China content. You think it's China conspiracy. Learn to train algorithms, seriously...

u/West-Abalone-171

Yes, that comes under the "grinding thousands of them up and snorting them" category. Vitamin D is toxic at much lower doses, but I don't see you losing your mind at the idea of a few microg

u/SmokingLimone

>That is longer the case, China and to a lesser extent Europe, are now the brain drains Could we have a source for that. If this is based around Trump it's still too early to judge a tren

u/yuxulu

Exactly. Internet did not go away with the .com bibble. AI will stay too. It will transform our lives. It just won't replace everything like many here clearly expect it to.

u/immoralwalrus

You keep clicking, Reddit thinks you like China content, feeds you more China content. You think it's China conspiracy. Learn to train algorithms, seriously...

u/Cornflakes_91

its more than cadmium, mercury and silver but yeah, its not *that* abundant, but we also dont need that much of it by civilisational standardy

u/resuwreckoning

Go back to the 1960’s and you’ll see the literal same type of posts about the Soviets. Even the Nobel prize economist Paul Samuelson predicted that the USSR would surpass the US in GDP….by 1

u/weinsteinjin

Because China has more people than Europe and North America combined, and they are just as productive and innovative.

u/SublatedWissenschaft

For people who think they're the master race anointed by God to rule the world you Americans sure are insecure

u/DreamChaserSt

I also think AI might burst, with regards to slapping a chat function on everything and similar services. But AI itself will not go away, and after the burst, what remains will stick better t

u/DreamChaserSt

I also think AI might burst, with regards to slapping a chat function on everything and similar services. But AI itself will not go away, and after the burst, what remains will stick better t

u/SublatedWissenschaft

Every American is deeply propagandized to believe American Exceptionalism to varying degrees. It is a core part of American mythology that is taught in schools and accepted as true by the gov

u/MerelyASimpleFan

Isn't Silicon popular because it is cheap, not because it is the best? Unless these materials can compete economically, I imagine it will mostly be used for niche applications.

u/my_depravity_account

American insecurity is god damned hilarious. Literally cannot make any conversation about another country's success not immediately about themselves.

u/immoralwalrus

You keep clicking, Reddit thinks you like China content, feeds you more China content. You think it's China conspiracy. Learn to train algorithms, seriously...

u/Minute_Attempt3063

I think the person I replied to deleted their message

u/Unique_Tap_8730

There are still advancements coming from the US. But with all the massive fusing cuts expect US scientific output to decrease in the coming years while china continues to progress.

u/simplesimonsaysno

I'll believe it when I see it. I hear so many stories of China's amazing technological advances. None of them come to fruition. Just China pumping out the propaganda as usual.

u/ptcounterpt

Thankfully, Trump has withdrawn America from any kind of scientific, technological, or medical investment, so he isn’t worried about an expensive international competition with China, Europe,

u/noblecheese

yeah well exceptions always exist, I meant how it is used in a general way, as a source of information. It is very often wrong and if it becomes the norm to use it all the time it will reduce

u/_chip

I hear you. It sounds good but turns out to be fluff pieces. China is so desperate to surpass the States sometimes it’s comical. And that’s that I have no personal issues against them.

u/danielv123

No, its because it works. The price of the materials don't matter that much, the expensive part is the tools to grow them into a single massive crystal and etch trillions of features into the

u/immoralwalrus

Well, China is actually developing a lot of new tech so it'd be weird if this subreddit doesn't have Chinese content...

u/resuwreckoning

Go back to the 1960’s and you’ll see the literal same type of posts about the Soviets. Even the Nobel prize economist Paul Samuelson predicted that the USSR would surpass the US in GDP….by 1

u/ElectrikDonuts

Well reddit is filled with Americans so you are definitely going to get a bias here But yes. Americans have basically no world view. Most prob can't even point out England on a map. And o

u/Silver_Atractic

Hey, friend, China is a country that spies on its own civilians' lives. We shouldn't idolise the country without nuance

u/noblecheese

yeah well exceptions always exist, I meant how it is used in a general way, as a source of information. It is very often wrong and if it becomes the norm to use it all the time it will reduce

u/yuxulu

That sounds similar to the .com bubble as well. Companies imagine every business be completely transformed and become 10x bigger. Sure, everything gets transformed. But the promised value did

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