Physical Product: Affordable Heritage-Style Outdoor/Bushcraft Backpack Line
Product/Service Opportunity Identified:
The user clearly struggles to find a backpack that meets a specific set of criteria: classic aesthetics, a size range of 25-45L (inferred from context and examples like the Savotta Jaakari M 30L), durability for outdoor and bushcraft use, and a budget significantly lower than premium brands like Karrimor SF or Fjällräven. They explicitly state that local stores don't stock such items, primarily offering "modern, bungee-cords-and-straps-hanging-everywhere type of packs." This points to an underserved market segment.
Specific Product Suggestion:
A new line of backpacks, tentatively named the "Pathfinder Heritage Series," designed to fill this market gap.
- Concept: Backpacks focusing on durable, traditional/classic designs with practical functionality for outdoor and bushcraft activities, offered at a mid-tier price point.
- Design & Aesthetics:
- Inspired by classic rucksack and refined military surplus aesthetics (e.g., simple, clean lines, robust construction).
- Materials: Heavy-duty canvas, high-denier nylon (e.g., 500D-1000D Cordura), or waxed cotton, with potential for leather accents on touchpoints or lash tabs.
- Colors: Muted, earthy tones (e.g., olive drab, coyote brown, forest green, charcoal).
- Avoidance of excessive external straps, brightly colored accents, or overly "technical" modern looks.
- Key Features:
- Core size offerings: e.g., 28L (daypack/everyday outdoor), 38L (overnighter/extended day trips).
- Comfortable and supportive carrying system (padded shoulder straps, sternum strap, optional simple hip belt).
- Main compartment with straightforward access (e.g., top-loading with drawcord and lid).
- Practical pockets: Lid pocket(s), robust side pockets (for water bottles or tools), potentially a front stash pocket.
- Subtle and functional external attachment points: e.g., discreet PALS webbing rows on sides or front, bottom lash straps for a bedroll or axe.
- Durability focus: Reinforced stitching, quality hardware (e.g., YKK zippers, robust buckles).
- Target Price Point: Positioned significantly below premium brands like Fjällräven or Karrimor SF, aiming for a retail price in the $120 - $190 USD range, making it accessible to users on a tighter budget who still value quality and classic design.
Expected Benefits:
- Addresses Unmet Demand: Directly serves customers seeking backpacks with traditional styling, durability, and practical features who find current market offerings either too expensive (premium heritage brands) or aesthetically unsuitable (modern technical packs).
- Value Proposition: Offers a strong balance of quality materials, thoughtful design, and functionality at a more accessible price point than high-end competitors.
- Niche Market Appeal: Targets outdoor enthusiasts, bushcrafters, hikers, and even everyday users who appreciate timeless, rugged aesthetics and reliability.
- Fills Retail Gap: Provides a product option that is currently difficult to find in local physical stores, making it well-suited for direct-to-consumer online sales and potentially for distribution through specialized independent outdoor retailers.
- Brand Differentiation: Establishes a brand focused on classic utility and value, distinguishing itself from both ultra-premium and mass-market budget brands.
Origin Reddit Post
r/bushcraft
Help me choose my new backpack please!
Posted by u/Equivalent_Page696•06/02/2025
I’ve been looking for a new backpack, I’ve posted before comparing a couple specific packs, but having gone down the rabbit hole, and visited a few more stores, I ‘think’ I’ve worked out what
Top Comments
u/Ok-Adeptness1554
Did you consider a Savotta Jaakari M or L ?
u/Comfortable_Fruit_45
I can only second that. Had mine for about 6 years now and it’s one the absolute best packs I own. It really is a ”can-do-it-all” pack. Bushcrafting, commuting to work, day hiking or a week l
u/Von_Lehmann
Are you in NZ? Maybe look at used options
u/Equivalent_Page696
That’s great to hear, I remember them having a great name when I was a teenager lugging a floppy, worn out frameless Alice pack 🤣
u/Equivalent_Page696
Actually I did come across those online some time ago, they look like great packs, thanks for reminding me! Like the Sabre, beyond the budget at the moment. I think when I have that sort of b
u/Equivalent_Page696
Thanks, yeah I think I’m leaning towards the Highlander at the moment.
Unfortunately none of these packs are in local stores to try on, I’ve visited plenty of different places over the past
u/Equivalent_Page696
I miss the days of being able to rummage through a surplus store… unfortunately all of the stores here have moved to online only, so no opportunity to pick the eyes out of the bargain bin lik
u/Equivalent_Page696
Yep, even schedule in visits to stores between jobs during the week, nothing but your modern, bungee-cords-and-straps-hanging-everywhere type of packs.
u/Alfiy_wolf
I’d go to the army surplus and buy a pack from them, a pack is one of the few things you definitely don’t need to buy new, get an ex army one, they are usually a good middle ground in quality
u/Alfiy_wolf
I’d go to the army surplus and buy a pack from them, a pack is one of the few things you definitely don’t need to buy new, get an ex army one, they are usually a good middle ground in quality
u/yomamasnamehere
Or for bushcraft the r/Savotta Kahakka 25 might be a good option as well. Personally I’m using Jääkäri L
u/LoneLy_Surfer
The highlander is good and you can add some MOLLE pouches (like for water, canteens etc) to it.
As others said, the best is to go to physical stores and test them to see what fits you best.
u/Equivalent_Page696
…and cooks dinner for you!
u/Ximmerino
What do you want to do with it?
u/Rocksteady2R
(A) paragraphs are a very important communication tool.
(B) paramilitary brands tend to be unnecessarily heavy, if durable. And super pricey.
(C) off-brand generic bags break far faster
u/Equivalent_Page696
Thanks, yeah I think I’m leaning towards the Highlander at the moment.
Unfortunately none of these packs are in local stores to try on, I’ve visited plenty of different places over the past
u/Equivalent_Page696
That’s great to hear, I remember them having a great name when I was a teenager lugging a floppy, worn out frameless Alice pack 🤣
u/Equivalent_Page696
Yep, even schedule in visits to stores between jobs during the week, nothing but your modern, bungee-cords-and-straps-hanging-everywhere type of packs.
u/Equivalent_Page696
…and cooks dinner for you!
u/wildmanheber
If the Kelty fits you, it's my recommendation. Pack fit and comfort is very important. If your pack isn't comfortable, you're trip won't be as good.
u/Bodhran777
I have 2 Kelty bags and have loved them. No fuss, plenty of storage, and comfortable. My current pack is the Asher 65, while the other older one is a Tornado 4000. The Tornado got dragged aro
u/Von_Lehmann
Get the Karrimor if that's your dream pack. Down the road you will probably buy it anyway and you wound up spending more money over the long term.
u/Equivalent_Page696
Actually I did come across those online some time ago, they look like great packs, thanks for reminding me! Like the Sabre, beyond the budget at the moment. I think when I have that sort of b
u/Sindrover
From your shortlist, I'm very happy with the Karrimor myself.
Though I've found that I still quite often take out my Savotta Jaakari S, simply because it's already spacious enough with two si
u/Bodhran777
I have 2 Kelty bags and have loved them. No fuss, plenty of storage, and comfortable. My current pack is the Asher 65, while the other older one is a Tornado 4000. The Tornado got dragged aro
u/Equivalent_Page696
That thought has definitely crossed my mind! But right now, having just relocated the whole family overseas and starting business from scratch, I cant stretch the budget to that. For referenc
u/Bodhran777
I have 2 Kelty bags and have loved them. No fuss, plenty of storage, and comfortable. My current pack is the Asher 65, while the other older one is a Tornado 4000. The Tornado got dragged aro
u/Von_Lehmann
Are you in NZ? Maybe look at used options
u/Sindrover
From your shortlist, I'm very happy with the Karrimor myself.
Though I've found that I still quite often take out my Savotta Jaakari S, simply because it's already spacious enough with two si
u/Swedischer
Depending on budget I'd take a look at the **Fjällräven Singi 48**. Great looking, comfy, modular with several different pouches and it will last you a lifetime.
u/Von_Lehmann
Get the Karrimor if that's your dream pack. Down the road you will probably buy it anyway and you wound up spending more money over the long term.
u/Swedischer
Depending on budget I'd take a look at the **Fjällräven Singi 48**. Great looking, comfy, modular with several different pouches and it will last you a lifetime.
u/Equivalent_Page696
That thought has definitely crossed my mind! But right now, having just relocated the whole family overseas and starting business from scratch, I cant stretch the budget to that. For referenc
u/Equivalent_Page696
That thought has definitely crossed my mind! But right now, having just relocated the whole family overseas and starting business from scratch, I cant stretch the budget to that. For referenc
u/Equivalent_Page696
That’s great to hear, I remember them having a great name when I was a teenager lugging a floppy, worn out frameless Alice pack 🤣
u/Sindrover
From your shortlist, I'm very happy with the Karrimor myself.
Though I've found that I still quite often take out my Savotta Jaakari S, simply because it's already spacious enough with two si
u/Equivalent_Page696
That’s great to hear, I remember them having a great name when I was a teenager lugging a floppy, worn out frameless Alice pack 🤣
u/Swedischer
Depending on budget I'd take a look at the **Fjällräven Singi 48**. Great looking, comfy, modular with several different pouches and it will last you a lifetime.
u/Swedischer
Think the main culprit there is Australia itself. You can get it for half that price here in Europe. But sure, still an expensive backpack.
u/Equivalent_Page696
Have definitely been keeping a close eye on TradeMe and Marketplace etc, plenty of Ospreys and 85L tramping packs around, I’ve only see a handful of Kelty’s (other than baby-carriers) in the
u/Rocksteady2R
(A) paragraphs are a very important communication tool.
(B) paramilitary brands tend to be unnecessarily heavy, if durable. And super pricey.
(C) off-brand generic bags break far faster
u/johnsonb21
Visit a few camping stores and try a stack on
u/Equivalent_Page696
Yep, even schedule in visits to stores between jobs during the week, nothing but your modern, bungee-cords-and-straps-hanging-everywhere type of packs.
u/yomamasnamehere
Or for bushcraft the r/Savotta Kahakka 25 might be a good option as well. Personally I’m using Jääkäri L
u/wildmanheber
If the Kelty fits you, it's my recommendation. Pack fit and comfort is very important. If your pack isn't comfortable, you're trip won't be as good.
u/litreofstarlight
I just looked up the price of that and it's nearly AUD$700. For that price I hope it's indestructible and also fireproof.
u/Rocksteady2R
(A) paragraphs are a very important communication tool.
(B) paramilitary brands tend to be unnecessarily heavy, if durable. And super pricey.
(C) off-brand generic bags break far faster
u/Equivalent_Page696
Actually I did come across those online some time ago, they look like great packs, thanks for reminding me! Like the Sabre, beyond the budget at the moment. I think when I have that sort of b
u/Alfiy_wolf
I’d go to the army surplus and buy a pack from them, a pack is one of the few things you definitely don’t need to buy new, get an ex army one, they are usually a good middle ground in quality
u/LoneLy_Surfer
The highlander is good and you can add some MOLLE pouches (like for water, canteens etc) to it.
As others said, the best is to go to physical stores and test them to see what fits you best.
u/Alfiy_wolf
I’d go to the army surplus and buy a pack from them, a pack is one of the few things you definitely don’t need to buy new, get an ex army one, they are usually a good middle ground in quality
u/Equivalent_Page696
Actually I did come across those online some time ago, they look like great packs, thanks for reminding me! Like the Sabre, beyond the budget at the moment. I think when I have that sort of b
u/Rocksteady2R
(A) paragraphs are a very important communication tool.
(B) paramilitary brands tend to be unnecessarily heavy, if durable. And super pricey.
(C) off-brand generic bags break far faster
u/LoneLy_Surfer
The highlander is good and you can add some MOLLE pouches (like for water, canteens etc) to it.
As others said, the best is to go to physical stores and test them to see what fits you best.
u/Equivalent_Page696
Thanks, yeah I think I’m leaning towards the Highlander at the moment.
Unfortunately none of these packs are in local stores to try on, I’ve visited plenty of different places over the past
u/wildmanheber
If the Kelty fits you, it's my recommendation. Pack fit and comfort is very important. If your pack isn't comfortable, you're trip won't be as good.
u/wildmanheber
If the Kelty fits you, it's my recommendation. Pack fit and comfort is very important. If your pack isn't comfortable, you're trip won't be as good.
u/Swedischer
Depending on budget I'd take a look at the **Fjällräven Singi 48**. Great looking, comfy, modular with several different pouches and it will last you a lifetime.
u/yomamasnamehere
Or for bushcraft the r/Savotta Kahakka 25 might be a good option as well. Personally I’m using Jääkäri L
u/LoneLy_Surfer
The highlander is good and you can add some MOLLE pouches (like for water, canteens etc) to it.
As others said, the best is to go to physical stores and test them to see what fits you best.
u/Equivalent_Page696
Thanks, yeah I think I’m leaning towards the Highlander at the moment.
Unfortunately none of these packs are in local stores to try on, I’ve visited plenty of different places over the past
u/Equivalent_Page696
That thought has definitely crossed my mind! But right now, having just relocated the whole family overseas and starting business from scratch, I cant stretch the budget to that. For referenc
u/No-Airline-2024
Have you considered Helikon Tex Summit. It's a 40L pack, not overly tactical. The best part is the outer mesh storage system.
u/LoneLy_Surfer
The highlander is good and you can add some MOLLE pouches (like for water, canteens etc) to it.
As others said, the best is to go to physical stores and test them to see what fits you best.
u/Equivalent_Page696
I miss the days of being able to rummage through a surplus store… unfortunately all of the stores here have moved to online only, so no opportunity to pick the eyes out of the bargain bin lik
u/Equivalent_Page696
That’s great to hear, I remember them having a great name when I was a teenager lugging a floppy, worn out frameless Alice pack 🤣
u/johnsonb21
Visit a few camping stores and try a stack on
u/Rocksteady2R
(A) paragraphs are a very important communication tool.
(B) paramilitary brands tend to be unnecessarily heavy, if durable. And super pricey.
(C) off-brand generic bags break far faster
u/Equivalent_Page696
Yep, even schedule in visits to stores between jobs during the week, nothing but your modern, bungee-cords-and-straps-hanging-everywhere type of packs.
u/wildmanheber
If the Kelty fits you, it's my recommendation. Pack fit and comfort is very important. If your pack isn't comfortable, you're trip won't be as good.
u/Equivalent_Page696
…and cooks dinner for you!
u/johnsonb21
Visit a few camping stores and try a stack on
u/Alfiy_wolf
I’d go to the army surplus and buy a pack from them, a pack is one of the few things you definitely don’t need to buy new, get an ex army one, they are usually a good middle ground in quality
u/Bodhran777
I have 2 Kelty bags and have loved them. No fuss, plenty of storage, and comfortable. My current pack is the Asher 65, while the other older one is a Tornado 4000. The Tornado got dragged aro
u/johnsonb21
Visit a few camping stores and try a stack on
u/Von_Lehmann
Get the Karrimor if that's your dream pack. Down the road you will probably buy it anyway and you wound up spending more money over the long term.
u/Von_Lehmann
Are you in NZ? Maybe look at used options
u/Comfortable_Fruit_45
I can only second that. Had mine for about 6 years now and it’s one the absolute best packs I own. It really is a ”can-do-it-all” pack. Bushcrafting, commuting to work, day hiking or a week l
u/Ok-Adeptness1554
Did you consider a Savotta Jaakari M or L ?
u/Equivalent_Page696
That thought has definitely crossed my mind! But right now, having just relocated the whole family overseas and starting business from scratch, I cant stretch the budget to that. For referenc
u/Equivalent_Page696
Actually I did come across those online some time ago, they look like great packs, thanks for reminding me! Like the Sabre, beyond the budget at the moment. I think when I have that sort of b
u/Equivalent_Page696
That thought has definitely crossed my mind! But right now, having just relocated the whole family overseas and starting business from scratch, I cant stretch the budget to that. For referenc
u/LoneLy_Surfer
The highlander is good and you can add some MOLLE pouches (like for water, canteens etc) to it.
As others said, the best is to go to physical stores and test them to see what fits you best.
u/Equivalent_Page696
That thought has definitely crossed my mind! But right now, having just relocated the whole family overseas and starting business from scratch, I cant stretch the budget to that. For referenc
u/Equivalent_Page696
…and cooks dinner for you!
u/Equivalent_Page696
Have definitely been keeping a close eye on TradeMe and Marketplace etc, plenty of Ospreys and 85L tramping packs around, I’ve only see a handful of Kelty’s (other than baby-carriers) in the
u/litreofstarlight
I just looked up the price of that and it's nearly AUD$700. For that price I hope it's indestructible and also fireproof.
u/Sindrover
From your shortlist, I'm very happy with the Karrimor myself.
Though I've found that I still quite often take out my Savotta Jaakari S, simply because it's already spacious enough with two si
u/Von_Lehmann
Get the Karrimor if that's your dream pack. Down the road you will probably buy it anyway and you wound up spending more money over the long term.
u/Rocksteady2R
(A) paragraphs are a very important communication tool.
(B) paramilitary brands tend to be unnecessarily heavy, if durable. And super pricey.
(C) off-brand generic bags break far faster
u/Swedischer
Depending on budget I'd take a look at the **Fjällräven Singi 48**. Great looking, comfy, modular with several different pouches and it will last you a lifetime.
u/litreofstarlight
I just looked up the price of that and it's nearly AUD$700. For that price I hope it's indestructible and also fireproof.
u/Swedischer
Depending on budget I'd take a look at the **Fjällräven Singi 48**. Great looking, comfy, modular with several different pouches and it will last you a lifetime.
u/litreofstarlight
I just looked up the price of that and it's nearly AUD$700. For that price I hope it's indestructible and also fireproof.
u/Equivalent_Page696
That thought has definitely crossed my mind! But right now, having just relocated the whole family overseas and starting business from scratch, I cant stretch the budget to that. For referenc
u/Equivalent_Page696
I miss the days of being able to rummage through a surplus store… unfortunately all of the stores here have moved to online only, so no opportunity to pick the eyes out of the bargain bin lik
u/johnsonb21
Visit a few camping stores and try a stack on
u/Equivalent_Page696
That thought has definitely crossed my mind! But right now, having just relocated the whole family overseas and starting business from scratch, I cant stretch the budget to that. For referenc
u/hooligan_bulldog_18
Remember, karrimor & karrimor SF aren't different.
The civi karrimor stuff is shite. The SF is best money can buy imo.
Personally, I need a big pack & use the British PLCE longbac
u/Ok-Adeptness1554
Did you consider a Savotta Jaakari M or L ?
u/Comfortable_Fruit_45
I can only second that. Had mine for about 6 years now and it’s one the absolute best packs I own. It really is a ”can-do-it-all” pack. Bushcrafting, commuting to work, day hiking or a week l
u/Equivalent_Page696
Yep, even schedule in visits to stores between jobs during the week, nothing but your modern, bungee-cords-and-straps-hanging-everywhere type of packs.
u/No-Airline-2024
Have you considered Helikon Tex Summit. It's a 40L pack, not overly tactical. The best part is the outer mesh storage system.
u/wildmanheber
If the Kelty fits you, it's my recommendation. Pack fit and comfort is very important. If your pack isn't comfortable, you're trip won't be as good.
u/Sindrover
From your shortlist, I'm very happy with the Karrimor myself.
Though I've found that I still quite often take out my Savotta Jaakari S, simply because it's already spacious enough with two si
u/Swedischer
Depending on budget I'd take a look at the **Fjällräven Singi 48**. Great looking, comfy, modular with several different pouches and it will last you a lifetime.
u/Bodhran777
I have 2 Kelty bags and have loved them. No fuss, plenty of storage, and comfortable. My current pack is the Asher 65, while the other older one is a Tornado 4000. The Tornado got dragged aro
u/Alfiy_wolf
I’d go to the army surplus and buy a pack from them, a pack is one of the few things you definitely don’t need to buy new, get an ex army one, they are usually a good middle ground in quality
u/Ximmerino
What do you want to do with it?
u/hooligan_bulldog_18
Remember, karrimor & karrimor SF aren't different.
The civi karrimor stuff is shite. The SF is best money can buy imo.
Personally, I need a big pack & use the British PLCE longbac
u/yomamasnamehere
Or for bushcraft the r/Savotta Kahakka 25 might be a good option as well. Personally I’m using Jääkäri L
u/hooligan_bulldog_18
Remember, karrimor & karrimor SF aren't different.
The civi karrimor stuff is shite. The SF is best money can buy imo.
Personally, I need a big pack & use the British PLCE longbac
u/Ok-Adeptness1554
Did you consider a Savotta Jaakari M or L ?
u/Ok-Adeptness1554
Did you consider a Savotta Jaakari M or L ?
u/Sindrover
From your shortlist, I'm very happy with the Karrimor myself.
Though I've found that I still quite often take out my Savotta Jaakari S, simply because it's already spacious enough with two si
u/Ximmerino
What do you want to do with it?
u/hooligan_bulldog_18
Remember, karrimor & karrimor SF aren't different.
The civi karrimor stuff is shite. The SF is best money can buy imo.
Personally, I need a big pack & use the British PLCE longbac
u/Ximmerino
What do you want to do with it?
u/Equivalent_Page696
I miss the days of being able to rummage through a surplus store… unfortunately all of the stores here have moved to online only, so no opportunity to pick the eyes out of the bargain bin lik
u/Comfortable_Fruit_45
I can only second that. Had mine for about 6 years now and it’s one the absolute best packs I own. It really is a ”can-do-it-all” pack. Bushcrafting, commuting to work, day hiking or a week l
u/Sindrover
From your shortlist, I'm very happy with the Karrimor myself.
Though I've found that I still quite often take out my Savotta Jaakari S, simply because it's already spacious enough with two si
u/yomamasnamehere
Or for bushcraft the r/Savotta Kahakka 25 might be a good option as well. Personally I’m using Jääkäri L
u/Equivalent_Page696
I miss the days of being able to rummage through a surplus store… unfortunately all of the stores here have moved to online only, so no opportunity to pick the eyes out of the bargain bin lik
u/Equivalent_Page696
That’s great to hear, I remember them having a great name when I was a teenager lugging a floppy, worn out frameless Alice pack 🤣
u/Equivalent_Page696
Yep, even schedule in visits to stores between jobs during the week, nothing but your modern, bungee-cords-and-straps-hanging-everywhere type of packs.
u/Ximmerino
What do you want to do with it?
u/Equivalent_Page696
Actually I did come across those online some time ago, they look like great packs, thanks for reminding me! Like the Sabre, beyond the budget at the moment. I think when I have that sort of b
u/Von_Lehmann
Are you in NZ? Maybe look at used options
u/Bodhran777
I have 2 Kelty bags and have loved them. No fuss, plenty of storage, and comfortable. My current pack is the Asher 65, while the other older one is a Tornado 4000. The Tornado got dragged aro
u/wildmanheber
If the Kelty fits you, it's my recommendation. Pack fit and comfort is very important. If your pack isn't comfortable, you're trip won't be as good.
u/No-Airline-2024
Have you considered Helikon Tex Summit. It's a 40L pack, not overly tactical. The best part is the outer mesh storage system.
u/litreofstarlight
I just looked up the price of that and it's nearly AUD$700. For that price I hope it's indestructible and also fireproof.
u/No-Airline-2024
Have you considered Helikon Tex Summit. It's a 40L pack, not overly tactical. The best part is the outer mesh storage system.
u/Von_Lehmann
Get the Karrimor if that's your dream pack. Down the road you will probably buy it anyway and you wound up spending more money over the long term.
u/Bodhran777
I have 2 Kelty bags and have loved them. No fuss, plenty of storage, and comfortable. My current pack is the Asher 65, while the other older one is a Tornado 4000. The Tornado got dragged aro
u/yomamasnamehere
Or for bushcraft the r/Savotta Kahakka 25 might be a good option as well. Personally I’m using Jääkäri L
u/Equivalent_Page696
I miss the days of being able to rummage through a surplus store… unfortunately all of the stores here have moved to online only, so no opportunity to pick the eyes out of the bargain bin lik
u/Ok-Adeptness1554
Did you consider a Savotta Jaakari M or L ?
u/hooligan_bulldog_18
Remember, karrimor & karrimor SF aren't different.
The civi karrimor stuff is shite. The SF is best money can buy imo.
Personally, I need a big pack & use the British PLCE longbac
u/LoneLy_Surfer
The highlander is good and you can add some MOLLE pouches (like for water, canteens etc) to it.
As others said, the best is to go to physical stores and test them to see what fits you best.
u/Bodhran777
I have 2 Kelty bags and have loved them. No fuss, plenty of storage, and comfortable. My current pack is the Asher 65, while the other older one is a Tornado 4000. The Tornado got dragged aro
u/Ok-Adeptness1554
Did you consider a Savotta Jaakari M or L ?
u/Rocksteady2R
(A) paragraphs are a very important communication tool.
(B) paramilitary brands tend to be unnecessarily heavy, if durable. And super pricey.
(C) off-brand generic bags break far faster
u/Von_Lehmann
I'm not in NZ. But if it was me, I would get an osprey. Best value for money packs out there.
I use Hill People Gear though, but those are more expensive and hard to find used
u/Sindrover
From your shortlist, I'm very happy with the Karrimor myself.
Though I've found that I still quite often take out my Savotta Jaakari S, simply because it's already spacious enough with two si
u/yomamasnamehere
Or for bushcraft the r/Savotta Kahakka 25 might be a good option as well. Personally I’m using Jääkäri L
u/Equivalent_Page696
Thanks, yeah I think I’m leaning towards the Highlander at the moment.
Unfortunately none of these packs are in local stores to try on, I’ve visited plenty of different places over the past
u/Von_Lehmann
Get the Karrimor if that's your dream pack. Down the road you will probably buy it anyway and you wound up spending more money over the long term.
u/Rocksteady2R
(A) paragraphs are a very important communication tool.
(B) paramilitary brands tend to be unnecessarily heavy, if durable. And super pricey.
(C) off-brand generic bags break far faster
u/Equivalent_Page696
I miss the days of being able to rummage through a surplus store… unfortunately all of the stores here have moved to online only, so no opportunity to pick the eyes out of the bargain bin lik
u/Comfortable_Fruit_45
I can only second that. Had mine for about 6 years now and it’s one the absolute best packs I own. It really is a ”can-do-it-all” pack. Bushcrafting, commuting to work, day hiking or a week l
u/litreofstarlight
I just looked up the price of that and it's nearly AUD$700. For that price I hope it's indestructible and also fireproof.
u/litreofstarlight
I just looked up the price of that and it's nearly AUD$700. For that price I hope it's indestructible and also fireproof.
u/Equivalent_Page696
That’s great to hear, I remember them having a great name when I was a teenager lugging a floppy, worn out frameless Alice pack 🤣
u/johnsonb21
Visit a few camping stores and try a stack on
u/Comfortable_Fruit_45
I can only second that. Had mine for about 6 years now and it’s one the absolute best packs I own. It really is a ”can-do-it-all” pack. Bushcrafting, commuting to work, day hiking or a week l
u/Alfiy_wolf
I’d go to the army surplus and buy a pack from them, a pack is one of the few things you definitely don’t need to buy new, get an ex army one, they are usually a good middle ground in quality
u/Snow_Wolfe
Came here to plug Savotta. jäkääri M is a 30L pack, great day pack. I have the Kanramus 40L for longer treks, also an amazing pack and worth the price. Check out Savotta OP, varusteleka.com s
u/Equivalent_Page696
I miss the days of being able to rummage through a surplus store… unfortunately all of the stores here have moved to online only, so no opportunity to pick the eyes out of the bargain bin lik
u/Von_Lehmann
Are you in NZ? Maybe look at used options
u/Von_Lehmann
Are you in NZ? Maybe look at used options
u/hooligan_bulldog_18
Remember, karrimor & karrimor SF aren't different.
The civi karrimor stuff is shite. The SF is best money can buy imo.
Personally, I need a big pack & use the British PLCE longbac
u/No-Airline-2024
Have you considered Helikon Tex Summit. It's a 40L pack, not overly tactical. The best part is the outer mesh storage system.
u/Ximmerino
What do you want to do with it?
u/Equivalent_Page696
Thanks, yeah I think I’m leaning towards the Highlander at the moment.
Unfortunately none of these packs are in local stores to try on, I’ve visited plenty of different places over the past
u/Alfiy_wolf
I’d go to the army surplus and buy a pack from them, a pack is one of the few things you definitely don’t need to buy new, get an ex army one, they are usually a good middle ground in quality
u/Ok-Adeptness1554
Did you consider a Savotta Jaakari M or L ?
u/Equivalent_Page696
…and cooks dinner for you!
u/Swedischer
Depending on budget I'd take a look at the **Fjällräven Singi 48**. Great looking, comfy, modular with several different pouches and it will last you a lifetime.
u/Equivalent_Page696
Thanks, yeah I think I’m leaning towards the Highlander at the moment.
Unfortunately none of these packs are in local stores to try on, I’ve visited plenty of different places over the past
u/Equivalent_Page696
Yep, even schedule in visits to stores between jobs during the week, nothing but your modern, bungee-cords-and-straps-hanging-everywhere type of packs.
u/Ximmerino
What do you want to do with it?
u/yomamasnamehere
Or for bushcraft the r/Savotta Kahakka 25 might be a good option as well. Personally I’m using Jääkäri L
u/LoneLy_Surfer
The highlander is good and you can add some MOLLE pouches (like for water, canteens etc) to it.
As others said, the best is to go to physical stores and test them to see what fits you best.
u/LoneLy_Surfer
The highlander is good and you can add some MOLLE pouches (like for water, canteens etc) to it.
As others said, the best is to go to physical stores and test them to see what fits you best.
u/Equivalent_Page696
Yep, even schedule in visits to stores between jobs during the week, nothing but your modern, bungee-cords-and-straps-hanging-everywhere type of packs.
u/johnsonb21
Visit a few camping stores and try a stack on
u/Von_Lehmann
Get the Karrimor if that's your dream pack. Down the road you will probably buy it anyway and you wound up spending more money over the long term.
u/Von_Lehmann
Are you in NZ? Maybe look at used options
u/litreofstarlight
I just looked up the price of that and it's nearly AUD$700. For that price I hope it's indestructible and also fireproof.
u/johnsonb21
Visit a few camping stores and try a stack on
u/Equivalent_Page696
…and cooks dinner for you!
u/yomamasnamehere
Or for bushcraft the r/Savotta Kahakka 25 might be a good option as well. Personally I’m using Jääkäri L
u/Ok-Adeptness1554
Did you consider a Savotta Jaakari M or L ?
u/hooligan_bulldog_18
Remember, karrimor & karrimor SF aren't different.
The civi karrimor stuff is shite. The SF is best money can buy imo.
Personally, I need a big pack & use the British PLCE longbac
u/Swedischer
Depending on budget I'd take a look at the **Fjällräven Singi 48**. Great looking, comfy, modular with several different pouches and it will last you a lifetime.
u/Equivalent_Page696
…and cooks dinner for you!
u/Equivalent_Page696
I miss the days of being able to rummage through a surplus store… unfortunately all of the stores here have moved to online only, so no opportunity to pick the eyes out of the bargain bin lik
u/hooligan_bulldog_18
Remember, karrimor & karrimor SF aren't different.
The civi karrimor stuff is shite. The SF is best money can buy imo.
Personally, I need a big pack & use the British PLCE longbac
u/Von_Lehmann
Are you in NZ? Maybe look at used options
u/Equivalent_Page696
Actually I did come across those online some time ago, they look like great packs, thanks for reminding me! Like the Sabre, beyond the budget at the moment. I think when I have that sort of b
u/hooligan_bulldog_18
Remember, karrimor & karrimor SF aren't different.
The civi karrimor stuff is shite. The SF is best money can buy imo.
Personally, I need a big pack & use the British PLCE longbac
u/Equivalent_Page696
Actually I did come across those online some time ago, they look like great packs, thanks for reminding me! Like the Sabre, beyond the budget at the moment. I think when I have that sort of b
u/litreofstarlight
I just looked up the price of that and it's nearly AUD$700. For that price I hope it's indestructible and also fireproof.
u/No-Airline-2024
Have you considered Helikon Tex Summit. It's a 40L pack, not overly tactical. The best part is the outer mesh storage system.
u/Von_Lehmann
Get the Karrimor if that's your dream pack. Down the road you will probably buy it anyway and you wound up spending more money over the long term.
u/Ximmerino
What do you want to do with it?
u/Von_Lehmann
Get the Karrimor if that's your dream pack. Down the road you will probably buy it anyway and you wound up spending more money over the long term.
u/Equivalent_Page696
Actually I did come across those online some time ago, they look like great packs, thanks for reminding me! Like the Sabre, beyond the budget at the moment. I think when I have that sort of b
u/wildmanheber
If the Kelty fits you, it's my recommendation. Pack fit and comfort is very important. If your pack isn't comfortable, you're trip won't be as good.
u/Equivalent_Page696
Thanks, yeah I think I’m leaning towards the Highlander at the moment.
Unfortunately none of these packs are in local stores to try on, I’ve visited plenty of different places over the past
u/No-Airline-2024
Have you considered Helikon Tex Summit. It's a 40L pack, not overly tactical. The best part is the outer mesh storage system.
u/Equivalent_Page696
That’s great to hear, I remember them having a great name when I was a teenager lugging a floppy, worn out frameless Alice pack 🤣
u/Equivalent_Page696
…and cooks dinner for you!
u/Equivalent_Page696
That’s great to hear, I remember them having a great name when I was a teenager lugging a floppy, worn out frameless Alice pack 🤣
u/Von_Lehmann
Are you in NZ? Maybe look at used options
u/Equivalent_Page696
…and cooks dinner for you!
u/Comfortable_Fruit_45
I can only second that. Had mine for about 6 years now and it’s one the absolute best packs I own. It really is a ”can-do-it-all” pack. Bushcrafting, commuting to work, day hiking or a week l
u/No-Airline-2024
Have you considered Helikon Tex Summit. It's a 40L pack, not overly tactical. The best part is the outer mesh storage system.
u/Equivalent_Page696
Yep, even schedule in visits to stores between jobs during the week, nothing but your modern, bungee-cords-and-straps-hanging-everywhere type of packs.
u/Equivalent_Page696
Thanks, yeah I think I’m leaning towards the Highlander at the moment.
Unfortunately none of these packs are in local stores to try on, I’ve visited plenty of different places over the past
u/Sindrover
From your shortlist, I'm very happy with the Karrimor myself.
Though I've found that I still quite often take out my Savotta Jaakari S, simply because it's already spacious enough with two si
u/johnsonb21
Visit a few camping stores and try a stack on
u/Alfiy_wolf
I’d go to the army surplus and buy a pack from them, a pack is one of the few things you definitely don’t need to buy new, get an ex army one, they are usually a good middle ground in quality
u/Bodhran777
I have 2 Kelty bags and have loved them. No fuss, plenty of storage, and comfortable. My current pack is the Asher 65, while the other older one is a Tornado 4000. The Tornado got dragged aro