Renovation Red Flags: When to Demolish and Start Over Your Bathroom Project

Okay, based on the analysis of the "Would it be better to start over?" post, here's a content idea:

Content Idea: "The Tipping Point: Knowing When to Tear Down and Start Fresh on Your DIY Project"

This content would tackle the common DIYer dilemma of inheriting or encountering a project (often started by someone else or an inexperienced past self) that is riddled with so many fundamental errors, code violations, and structural issues that trying to "fix" it would be more costly, time-consuming, and potentially dangerous than starting from scratch.

Why this could be popular:

  • Relatability: Many DIYers inherit projects or discover the previous owner cut corners.
  • Validation: It validates the gut feeling that something is "too far gone."
  • Actionable Guidance: Helps users make a difficult but often necessary decision.
  • Safety Focus: Highlights critical safety and code compliance issues.
  • Cost-Saving (Long-term): Explains how starting over can be cheaper than endless repairs on a flawed foundation.

Sample Creative Pitches/Angles:

  1. Title: "Is Your Reno a Write-Off? 7 Red Flags That Scream 'Start Over!'"

    • Angle: A listicle format identifying clear indicators like multiple code violations (e.g., sub-panels in bathrooms, improper wiring), compromised structural elements (e.g., drywall screws in joist hangers, notched supports), evidence of extensive water damage, or fundamentally flawed layouts that can't be easily rectified.
    • Keywords: "DIY red flags," "renovation mistakes," "when to demolish," "code violations home," "structural repair."
  2. Title: "The 'Grandpa Special': Navigating Inherited DIY Disasters & When to Call it Quits"

    • Angle: A more empathetic approach, acknowledging the emotional difficulty of undoing a family member's work or a previous owner's efforts. Focus on the objective decision-making process, emphasizing safety and long-term value over sentimentality when faced with dangerous or non-compliant work.
    • Keywords: "inherited home problems," "fixing previous owner's DIY," "bad contractor work," "renovation restart."
  3. Title: "ELI5: Why Patching Up a Bad Renovation Can Cost More Than Starting Fresh"

    • Angle: A simplified explanation of the cost-benefit analysis. Break down how trying to work around existing major flaws (e.g., an illegally placed sub-panel requiring rerouting everything, or poorly framed walls needing complete reframing) can lead to escalating costs, permit issues, and a compromised final product compared to a clean slate.
    • Keywords: "renovation cost-benefit," "DIY budget mistakes," "cheaper to demolish and rebuild," "ELI5 home repair."
  4. Title: "Code Breakers & Deal Breakers: A DIYer's Guide to Spotting Unsalvageable Renovation Work"

    • Angle: Focus specifically on common but critical code violations and structural mistakes that are almost always "deal-breakers" for a simple repair. Examples: sub-panels in wet zones, inadequate support beams, incorrect fasteners in structural components, improper venting.
    • Keywords: "NEC violations DIY," "building code red flags," "unsafe DIY," "when to hire a professional."

Target Audience:

  • New Homeowners: Especially those who bought fixer-uppers or "as-is" properties and are uncovering previous work.
  • Ambitious DIYers: Those tackling large-scale renovations or additions, particularly if they are taking over a partially completed project.
  • Family Members: Individuals like the OP who are stepping in to finish a project started by a relative, who may have lacked the correct knowledge or skills.
  • Budget-Conscious Renovators: People trying to save money but need to understand where cutting corners (or fixing previous corner-cutting) becomes counterproductive or dangerous.
  • Users searching for terms like: "is this up to code?", "fix previous owner's mess," "too many problems to fix house," "when is a renovation not worth it?"

Origin Reddit Post

r/diy

Would it be better to start over?

Posted by u/Biblikle06/04/2025
My grandpa has been working on this bathroom addition on the back of his house for a few years. now that I've moved in, I want to finish it out since I'll be living in the back. However he's

Top Comments

u/hijinks
That door infringes on the sub panel against code . Also you should never put a sub panel in a bathroom.
u/Biblikle
Yeah my grandpa's always hiring the lowest bidder and tries to do most of the work himself. Having only one hand makes some things difficult so he's always cheaping out, cutting corners, and
u/grimmash
I have general rule for projects: If it is easier to point out the few things done right as opposed a sea of things done wrong, you are probably better off starting over from the beginning.
u/Biblikle
That's what I thought. Appreciate the confirmation and advice.
u/Bigfamei
It would be better to strip it down. Get a chance to make notes along the way and reboot.
u/ntyperteasy
There's a lot of scary looking details in your photos. Clearly you understand a lot of this is sub-standard and has to go. Probably is simpler for you to start over rather than struggle to
u/Biblikle
Appreciate it much. I've been sitting on this for a good while because of all the extra labor and fixes that I was planning to do. It looks like the general consensus is a fresh start which I
u/Stiggalicious
Drywall screws in the joist hangers? Ummm, yeah that’s a red flag. Toilet will absolutely have to go, and it makes zero sense to have it installed before a completed and painted drywall unles
u/Quasar103
No code compliance there, me think it would cost more to keep patching the patches than to start over, you can salvage some of the materials when you rebuild it. A tear down would not be a t
u/ntyperteasy
There's a lot of scary looking details in your photos. Clearly you understand a lot of this is sub-standard and has to go. Probably is simpler for you to start over rather than struggle to
u/TheRook21
It's already in your head what the problems are, why spend time trying to work with and struggle with those problems. When it makes more sense to do a good job first
u/GeriatricSquid
I’d start over if it won’t kill your grandpa: - window framing is wrong -door framing is wrong: no cripples above the door, weight above the door is resting ON the door frame instead of a ja
u/hijinks
That door infringes on the sub panel against code . Also you should never put a sub panel in a bathroom.
u/Biblikle
Yeah the toilet was installed because it was the closet toilet for us instead of having to walk all the way inside the house. (My grandpa has a big property.)
u/Biblikle
Yeah the toilet was installed because it was the closet toilet for us instead of having to walk all the way inside the house. (My grandpa has a big property.)
u/satchmo64
since it's just a bathroom, and there are way too many issues you need to just take it all down and start over. use the 2x4s for walls and 2x6 for ceiling and you can make a small cut on t
u/Flolania
You are right, thanks for the information.
u/Biblikle
Thank you for the info. I had a feeling it was against code but it's better to be sure.
u/Stiggalicious
Drywall screws in the joist hangers? Ummm, yeah that’s a red flag. Toilet will absolutely have to go, and it makes zero sense to have it installed before a completed and painted drywall unles
u/Flolania
I don't think there is anything stopping someone from putting a sub panel in the bathroom, so you could just move the panel over and be fine.
u/Ldglc3
Holy Shit.
u/Biblikle
Thank you for the info. I had a feeling it was against code but it's better to be sure.
u/oneluckyguytx
You have quite the remodel of the addition on your hands. For that I am sorry people that pretend to know and don’t, should not take compensation for something they know very little about. If
u/Daxem_302
Just lean on a wall, any wall. Preferably outside so you may run away from the impending fireball. Optionally, let squirrels move in, it will be down in a week. Or back a truck into it. Set i
u/ymmypand
Not sure where OP is located, but NEC 240.24(e) says you can’t put any overcurrent protection devices in a bathroom. So I guess you could put the panel in there, but you wouldn’t be allowed t
u/Bigfamei
It would be better to strip it down. Get a chance to make notes along the way and reboot.
u/Low-Rent-9351
The roof is built wrong. The ceiling joists should be on the wall and tie the ends of the rafters together. Typically, a permit build requires engineering approval on rafters and other roof
u/TheOnlyBliebervik
I guess it's been working for him so far
u/Canadian_Friends
I'm with you. Evidently, the only plan the previous contractors had was to spend the deposit and stiff the old guy.
u/Canadian_Friends
I'm with you. Evidently, the only plan the previous contractors had was to spend the deposit and stiff the old guy.
u/bbrian7
That’s a definitive statement.Looks more like homeowner didn’t comprehend what a general contractor does. And thought it would be simple and save money
u/AlienPrimate
Having joist hangers for the ceiling joists is already a red flag. Just set them on top of the wall like a normal person.
u/Stiggalicious
Condensation will rust that box out SO fast. Even if there’s no code saying you can’t, it’s a really dumb thing to do.
u/BoogerGloves
PVC shower plumbing 😵‍💫
u/ride5150
Im a structural engineer. You can use deeper joists and notch the ends so they land on top of the top plates, and the bottoms match the existing joists (rip them so they are flush with existi
u/Biblikle
That's what I thought. Appreciate the confirmation and advice.
u/Pungentpelosi123
This looks like some teenagers were building a clubhouse.
u/Biblikle
Being in New Mexico, we don't get a lot of rain so I was thinking about installing the sub panel outside but I wasn't sure how. I'll more than likely hire an electrician (an actual electricia

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