u/HarrieSeaward
Without legally binding written agreements, it sounds like the people involved were roleplaying “company.”
The “CEO” sounds like an abusive, egotistical idiot, and your life is better off wi
u/IamNotMike25
It was an unpaid job also? Just verbal agreement for equity?
u/justdoitbro_
That sounds like a seriously rough experience, man.
I read a case study where a toxic founder's behavior was linked to early-stage stress and pressure. It's not an excuse, but it kinda expla
u/Tricky-Musician5238
Not really. It’s in the Bay. But I am surprised there are actually similar stories lol. But this CEO we had to deal with probably was the worst we had ever seen in our lives by unanimous cons
u/theredhype
What are you talking about? What property?
u/HarrieSeaward
Without legally binding written agreements, it sounds like the people involved were roleplaying “company.”
The “CEO” sounds like an abusive, egotistical idiot, and your life is better off wi
u/hungrynyc
Potential investors won’t dismiss this as “hallucinating a court case.” OP wasn’t compensated, he’s due compensation, courts will agree.
Legal battles are never guaranteed but the idea that
u/ivalm
ok, so sounds like an advisor, makes sense. board would imply they have some control.
anyways, sounds like a complete mess. Non-founders shouldn't be pitching a pre-funding company.
u/Tricky-Musician5238
To be honest, I don't think there are any board members in a strictly legal sense. None of my coworkers has officially signed any contracts since day one. The CEO just had a preliminary agree
u/theredhype
I’m just correcting you very clearly, so other readers don’t get confused.
u/Tricky-Musician5238
That’s why I quitted after giving the founder an ultimatum he should have everything written as a legally binding contract which he refused straight away
u/ivalm
ok, so I understand better, this is some pre-funding company but it already has a board that is not just co-founders? How does that even happen? How do employees who are not officers have acc
u/idempotent_dev
It’s not truly clear if OP actually did any meaningful work that the company valued. Their technical background is of no interest to company and their connections made to CEO possibly didn’t
u/datlankydude
Wait what? You're pitching to the VCs? What is your role? Only the CEO/founder should be pitching to VCs. Story keeps getting weirder.
u/mikedmoyer
You should try the Slicing Pie formula for your next attempt! It will help you avoid a lot of these problems....
u/theredhype
I wasn't asking what intellectual property is.
I was asking where in OP's post you see any evidence of it.
u/Tricky-Musician5238
To be honest, I don't think there are any board members in a strictly legal sense. None of my coworkers has officially signed any contracts since day one. The CEO just had a preliminary agree
u/Tricky-Musician5238
Fair question. I didn't write core code, and I'm not claiming ownership of the product. My background is technical, but I was repeatedly steered away from doing any actual engineering work. I
u/datlankydude
Wait what? You're pitching to the VCs? What is your role? Only the CEO/founder should be pitching to VCs. Story keeps getting weirder.
u/datlankydude
Huh? Your role became “pitching”? Pitching what? Do you mean it became sales? Your company had no employment agreements but it had board members with power?
This story is very odd.
u/Tricky-Musician5238
Exactly, I and the other coworker (who has several VC experience) noticed the problem very early on, but the CEO was too delusional and was confident that he could raise few millions within a
u/LemmyUserOnReddit
Verbal contracts are legally binding in most cases, though they can be hard to prove
u/hungrynyc
OP said he's technical. Code is IP. Even if he never wrote a line of code, there is virtually no judge who would believe that IP wasn't contributed given the details OP mentioned.
u/hungrynyc
That's probably true, but if OP isn't aware of this, he should be.
u/Tricky-Musician5238
Pitching to the VCs. More like a hard sale unfortunately.
u/Tricky-Musician5238
Would love to hear more about the story if you don’t mind sharing
u/Tricky-Musician5238
It was unpaid since the very beginning, and there's no official contract even for the intern. But the CEO is making us work full-time all the time.
u/youre__
Looks like a lot of drama and you've traveled a tough road. A couple things come to mind that's not necessarily specific to your situation, but just the reality of the startup world.
1. The
u/julian88888888
If the startup is even remotely competent, they would’ve made OP sign a copyright assignment as part of any offer letter.
If they literally had no paperwork whatsoever. The start up isn’t w
u/Tricky-Musician5238
Not really. It’s in the Bay. But I am surprised there are actually similar stories lol. But this CEO we had to deal with probably was the worst we had ever seen in our lives by unanimous cons
u/mauriciocap
If the CEO behaves as described I'm afraid soon there will be no company to pay for it
u/Tricky-Musician5238
Pitching to the VCs. More like a hard sale unfortunately.
u/ParfaitRude229
Jesus bro this is a mess. Also I recently heard of a similar story. Sounds like you’re in over your head OP. Lemmie guess is it the startup from San Diego.
u/theredhype
Compensation is a completely separate issue from intellectual property.
We have no idea what OPs verbal agreement was around compensation and equity, so we can’t discuss it properly. There
u/Tricky-Musician5238
Would love to hear more about the story if you don’t mind sharing
u/ivalm
ok, so I understand better, this is some pre-funding company but it already has a board that is not just co-founders? How does that even happen? How do employees who are not officers have acc
u/dontich
Yeah pre funding startups can be complete chaos lol
u/Tricky-Musician5238
That’s exactly why I quitted the very moment when founder refused to have anything documented
u/idempotent_dev
It’s not truly clear if OP actually did any meaningful work that the company valued. Their technical background is of no interest to company and their connections made to CEO possibly didn’t
u/theredhype
How many months were you working on this startup officially?
How did you manage to spend a full time amount of time on it?
My guess is you attended a lot of meetings?
u/idempotent_dev
It’s not truly clear if OP actually did any meaningful work that the company valued. Their technical background is of no interest to company and their connections made to CEO possibly didn’t
u/Worldly_Chemist_6183
Also curious. Luckily I did my research, almost got groomed into a very exploitative startup
u/Tricky-Musician5238
For around 2-3 months. We spent every weekday working closely together in a coffee shop, grinding data, making presentations, recording pitches, and sorting out the list of VCs we would reach
u/Tricky-Musician5238
To be honest, I don't think there are any board members in a strictly legal sense. None of my coworkers has officially signed any contracts since day one. The CEO just had a preliminary agree
u/Worldly_Chemist_6183
Also curious. Luckily I did my research, almost got groomed into a very exploitative startup
u/hungrynyc
You obviously contributed Intellectual Property that you are still the owner of unless you formally assigned it to the company. This means you will likely win in court should you sue for an o
u/grady-teske
Working without a contract is startup suicide. Verbal promises mean absolutely nothing when things go sideways and founders show their true colors. Always get equity and compensation in writi
u/ivalm
ok, so sounds like an advisor, makes sense. board would imply they have some control.
anyways, sounds like a complete mess. Non-founders shouldn't be pitching a pre-funding company.
u/Tricky-Musician5238
That’s exactly why I quitted the very moment when founder refused to have anything documented
u/grady-teske
Working without a contract is startup suicide. Verbal promises mean absolutely nothing when things go sideways and founders show their true colors. Always get equity and compensation in writi
u/dontich
Yeah pre funding startups can be complete chaos lol
u/hungrynyc
Intellectual Property. It's the law regarding ownership of ideas, ideas that you own unless you assign that ownership to someone else, which is what occurs when you formally sign documents wi
u/ParfaitRude229
Jesus bro this is a mess. Also I recently heard of a similar story. Sounds like you’re in over your head OP. Lemmie guess is it the startup from San Diego.
u/justdoitbro_
That sounds like a seriously rough experience, man.
I read a case study where a toxic founder's behavior was linked to early-stage stress and pressure. It's not an excuse, but it kinda expla
u/Tricky-Musician5238
It was unpaid since the very beginning, and there's no official contract even for the intern. But the CEO is making us work full-time all the time.
u/mauriciocap
Indeed, the VC funded startup model may not be the best. The pressure for a quick exit with high returns plays against quality, sustainability, and thus clients interestests.
u/idempotent_dev
Couldn’t agree more.
u/datlankydude
Huh? Your role became “pitching”? Pitching what? Do you mean it became sales? Your company had no employment agreements but it had board members with power?
This story is very odd.
u/mikedmoyer
You should try the Slicing Pie formula for your next attempt! It will help you avoid a lot of these problems....
u/IamNotMike25
It was an unpaid job also? Just verbal agreement for equity?
u/youre__
Looks like a lot of drama and you've traveled a tough road. A couple things come to mind that's not necessarily specific to your situation, but just the reality of the startup world.
1. The
u/ivalm
ok, so sounds like an advisor, makes sense. board would imply they have some control.
anyways, sounds like a complete mess. Non-founders shouldn't be pitching a pre-funding company.
u/awwhorseshit
Problem number 1. You didn’t have anything documented. Enormous risk of “fuck-you-over”… and then guess what.
u/Tricky-Musician5238
That’s why I quitted after giving the founder an ultimatum he should have everything written as a legally binding contract which he refused straight away
u/Tricky-Musician5238
Nah. We haven't touched the products for a month since kickstarted our seed round fundraising. All people were told to work on the same pitch for a few weeks, which is completely unnecessary
u/LemmyUserOnReddit
Verbal contracts are legally binding in most cases, though they can be hard to prove
u/awwhorseshit
Problem number 1. You didn’t have anything documented. Enormous risk of “fuck-you-over”… and then guess what.
u/hungrynyc
I’m letting OP know that if he contributed intellectual property he has a claim. You seem very upset by that.
u/ivalm
ok, so I understand better, this is some pre-funding company but it already has a board that is not just co-founders? How does that even happen? How do employees who are not officers have acc
u/theredhype
Absolute nonsense. You’re hallucinating a court case.
OP does not mention actually doing any technical work. Only that their background is technical. They even mentioned that they were deni