Systemic Food Reform: Emerging Demand for Holistic Health Solutions

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Fighting the obesity crisis by fixing the food system

Posted by u/jhsu802701•07/22/2025

So much attention is being showered on current and future drugs as solutions to the obesity crisis. Diet culture is still pushing kooky schemes that sound like torture to me, such as documen

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u/Rockclimber88

Emotional manipulation advertisement should be banned. Coca cola is not a land of happiness with fluffy CGI characters. It's diabetes, obesity and cancer. Each advertisement of food should sh

u/-Ch4s3-

France has McDonalds, a lot of them 1600 in fact which is just a bit more than half as many per capita as the US. Also “market induced demand” is not a concept in economics. You might mean

u/necrosythe

This is one of those things that is true in aggregate, but any individual big player is going to be hard pressed to really care or see it as an improvement in their bottom line. Most things

u/CAWildKitty

They absolutely are rent seeking. The autoimmune mABs do nothing except mitigate symptoms at eye-watering costs along with a huge dose of negative side effects. The effectiveness rates are us

u/gredr

That sounds pretty healthy, but I assume you would agree that it's somewhat impractical for many people?

u/coolercolder

One very simple solution: replace all the soda with drinking water.

u/-Ch4s3-

With the exception of Ozempic the top grossing drugs [have nothing to do with obesity or lifestyle diseases](https://www.biospace.com/business/10-best-selling-drugs-of-2024-rake-in-billions-a

u/Rom2814

I agree with “fixing the food system” where we can but that’s not going to be a total fix and trying to fix it that way would impinge on civil liberties to the point of being (truly) fascist.

u/-Ch4s3-

With the exception of Ozempic the top grossing drugs [have nothing to do with obesity or lifestyle diseases](https://www.biospace.com/business/10-best-selling-drugs-of-2024-rake-in-billions-a

u/-Ch4s3-

The contribution of corn subsidies to a soda is less than 2¢ per bottle. People should really go look at the actual numbers before making sweeping claims about how to fix society. This sub i

u/D-Stecks

Because the real world is more complicated than Baby's First Economics Lesson.

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Ditto here! I think it's odd that for a society so obsessed with convenience, and for one where food television and instagram such a popular genre, why it is that we tolerate such lousy conve

u/-Ch4s3-

So food companies will sell anything you’ll buy, you see them moving to protein products now. Of the top 20 most profitable drugs last year only one, ozempic relates to lifestyle diseases. P

u/-Ch4s3-

Illness due to lifestyle diseases actually lowers economic productivity. The annual estimated cost of obesity in the US is $1.4tn. People miss a lot of work or become disabled due to these di

u/wright007

I just did a quick Google search of some documentaries on the topic, which there are plenty of. I've seen a handful of these and they are really educational. Below is a list of recommendation

u/Rockclimber88

Exactly. i.e. Nutella contains 58% sugar so the sticker would cover more than half of the jar. In beverages the sticker should be 3x as large because drinking diluted sugar is even worse than

u/-Ch4s3-

Ehh, people running large companies know they need to hire a lot of people and care a lot about healthcare costs because they pay for it. A lot of large companies will pay their employees to

u/-Ch4s3-

With the exception of Ozempic the top grossing drugs [have nothing to do with obesity or lifestyle diseases](https://www.biospace.com/business/10-best-selling-drugs-of-2024-rake-in-billions-a

u/-Ch4s3-

Which companies? How is it more profitable? Ad I explained elsewhere the most profitable drugs other than ozempic all have nothing to do with metabolic diseases.

u/borgenhaust

I'm allowed to use the definition of my choice, as are you. I still won't advocate for pica.

u/-Ch4s3-

So food companies will sell anything you’ll buy, you see them moving to protein products now. Of the top 20 most profitable drugs last year only one, ozempic relates to lifestyle diseases. P

u/Shinnyo

>Diet culture is still pushing kooky schemes that sound like torture to me, such as documenting every bite of food that you eat every day, starving yourself, restricting calories/carbs/poi

u/StepUpYourPuppyGame

The bastards keep feeding a seed oils because they are cheap and inexpensive. Sadly, the corporations don't care, but we all need to do a better job voting with our dollars.

u/wizzard419

Considering that this is a capitalist society... yeah the only solutions will be private enterprise backed. Take the problem with cattle ranching for example. US is spending billions for thin

u/Rom2814

Things that aren’t “whole” - prepared foods (e.g., frozen dinners), things with a list of 5+ ingredients, etc. We buy organic meat, fish, poultry and dairy (e.g., pasture raised, grass fed).

u/Rom2814

Things that aren’t “whole” - prepared foods (e.g., frozen dinners), things with a list of 5+ ingredients, etc. We buy organic meat, fish, poultry and dairy (e.g., pasture raised, grass fed).

u/SilverMedal4Life

I disagree, there's such a thing as 'market-induced demand'. If France was flooded with McDonald's and other fast food chains due to other economic reasons causing local resturaunts to close

u/borgenhaust

>organic meat, fish, poultry and dairy I've yet to see anyone consume inorganic versions of these.

u/CAWildKitty

This is disingenuous considering most of the drugs listed are biologics, or mABs and have been structured as injectable and given an insanely high price. Many of them, including Humira have t

u/wizzard419

Considering that this is a capitalist society... yeah the only solutions will be private enterprise backed. Take the problem with cattle ranching for example. US is spending billions for thin

u/Al-go-rithm

Teach people how to cook Add cooking class at school. To me it's shocking to see that the average American has no clue how to cook even the most basic dishes

u/SuperUnabsorbant

Both are bad, but HFCS is worse because of the higher ratio of unbound fructose that puts more strain on the liver. Fructose isn't readily metabolized by muscles in the way that glucose is.

u/PrivilegedPatriarchy

If there was a demand for "fresh", "healthy" food in these so-called food deserts, why wouldn't the grocery stores start stocking this food and make a boatload of money?

u/bouquetofashes

Everyone likes to demonize HFCS but it's only 5% more fructose than in sucrose? Like it's not actually appreciably worse than just... Sugar. I'm not agreeing that it should be put in everyt

u/james_the_wanderer

Density and a culinaru fetish for freshness.

u/OriginalCompetitive

Food deserts aside, for most people who live in reach of a typical grocery store, the “food system” works great. You can buy good healthy food at affordable prices. It’s just that most people

u/GoodTeletubby

What's wrong with fixing the food system is that making it possible for everyone to eat healthy will cut into companies profit margins, and healthy people will cut into medical and pharmaceut

u/StepUpYourPuppyGame

The bastards keep feeding a seed oils because they are cheap and inexpensive. Sadly, the corporations don't care, but we all need to do a better job voting with our dollars.

u/-Ch4s3-

Ehh, people running large companies know they need to hire a lot of people and care a lot about healthcare costs because they pay for it. A lot of large companies will pay their employees to

u/SilverMedal4Life

Believe what you want to believe, but it was not consumers who wanted high fructose corn syrup in their soft drinks instead of cane sugar.

u/-Ch4s3-

Listing documentaries you haven't watched isn't an argument.

u/grundar

> Pretty much any modern society and obviously an older one was way more active. [Research suggests otherwise:](https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/1m27xx8/a_new_study_suggests_that

u/-Ch4s3-

Listing documentaries you haven't watched isn't an argument.

u/Al-go-rithm

Teach people how to cook Add cooking class at school. To me it's shocking to see that the average American has no clue how to cook even the most basic dishes

u/SuperUnabsorbant

Both are bad, but HFCS is worse because of the higher ratio of unbound fructose that puts more strain on the liver. Fructose isn't readily metabolized by muscles in the way that glucose is.

u/gredr

> NO processed food What do you count as "processed"?

u/OnyZ1

> The bastards keep feeding a seed oils because they are cheap and inexpensive. Have only ever seen studies indicating that seed oils are innocuous--at least, not worse for you than any

u/Rockclimber88

Exactly. i.e. Nutella contains 58% sugar so the sticker would cover more than half of the jar. In beverages the sticker should be 3x as large because drinking diluted sugar is even worse than

u/Shinnyo

Like on cigarettes pack, they should put photos of the consequences of diabetes on heavily sugared product.

u/bouquetofashes

Iirc someone attempted that as an experiment -- they increased healthy affordable options for underserved communities and those options were still not chosen. Food deserts also only account

u/gongmiester

This is by far the best response. The problem for the vast majority of people isn’t the food itself but their choice to eat too much/the wrong food. Excersize certainly is part of the equat

u/pandaeye0

Not just eat less, merely asking people to waste less will result in big profit cut.

u/Chance_Act_6296

Man, -- while your head is in the right place, and I can see you're just asking questions, Basically.. With all respect to you as a person -- everything you just said is either incorrect or

u/wright007

I just did a quick Google search of some documentaries on the topic, which there are plenty of. I've seen a handful of these and they are really educational. Below is a list of recommendation

u/sandwichstealer

Walk into a store after you realize sugar is toxic.

u/Rom2814

Significance difference between meats that qualify as “organic” under the law in the US than meats that don’t. I used to think it was silly, but if you look at the nutritional content of, say

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

The other day I saw [this video exploring why Japan has such a low obesity rate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH6Wq4KWu7M). It think it has some very interesting insights, such as the pre

u/heybart

In America when you go out to eat, what are your healthy options Around where I am, maybe sushi and other ethnic food. Chain restaurants like cheesecake factory are pretty loaded with fat an

u/StepUpYourPuppyGame

The bastards keep feeding a seed oils because they are cheap and inexpensive. Sadly, the corporations don't care, but we all need to do a better job voting with our dollars.

u/borgenhaust

>organic meat, fish, poultry and dairy I've yet to see anyone consume inorganic versions of these.

u/borgenhaust

>organic meat, fish, poultry and dairy I've yet to see anyone consume inorganic versions of these.

u/heybart

In America when you go out to eat, what are your healthy options Around where I am, maybe sushi and other ethnic food. Chain restaurants like cheesecake factory are pretty loaded with fat an

u/Sprinklypoo

I think a lot of it is a culture of consumption. In a capitalist society (for instance) we are constantly pushed to consume. Even without food commercials, it seems like the idea would spre

u/wizzard419

Considering that this is a capitalist society... yeah the only solutions will be private enterprise backed. Take the problem with cattle ranching for example. US is spending billions for thin

u/Scorpio989

I know that's not a solution because I am overweight and haven't had soda since 2017. I don't drink anything other than water, maybe juice once or twice a month.

u/SilverMedal4Life

I'd adore it if my local 7/11 had half the stuff that Japan's ones do, instead of hot dogs that've been rolling since the last milennium and a bunch of prepackaged snack crap.

u/james_the_wanderer

Density and a culinaru fetish for freshness.

u/heybart

In America when you go out to eat, what are your healthy options Around where I am, maybe sushi and other ethnic food. Chain restaurants like cheesecake factory are pretty loaded with fat an

u/Rom2814

I agree with “fixing the food system” where we can but that’s not going to be a total fix and trying to fix it that way would impinge on civil liberties to the point of being (truly) fascist.

u/Shinnyo

Teach people about nutrition, it's crazy how we teach so much unimportant shit but nutrition somehow gets ignored. That's why in US or West world people get scammed by drinks like Prime or s

u/StepUpYourPuppyGame

The bastards keep feeding a seed oils because they are cheap and inexpensive. Sadly, the corporations don't care, but we all need to do a better job voting with our dollars.

u/Shinnyo

>Diet culture is still pushing kooky schemes that sound like torture to me, such as documenting every bite of food that you eat every day, starving yourself, restricting calories/carbs/poi

u/-Ch4s3-

I agree that corn subsidies should end, but they barely affect the final price of food.

u/-Ch4s3-

Dismissing the mitigation of symptoms of autoimmune diseases is some kind of take. What the fuck are you talking about? You can’t mitigate Type I diabetes or a number of types of later stage

u/GoodTeletubby

What's wrong with fixing the food system is that making it possible for everyone to eat healthy will cut into companies profit margins, and healthy people will cut into medical and pharmaceut

u/borgenhaust

I'm allowed to use the definition of my choice, as are you. I still won't advocate for pica.

u/suboptimus_maximus

Sedentism. America socially engineered its society around driving, subsidized automakers and socialized the costs of driving. If the only movement you do is waking from your recliner to you

u/PrivilegedPatriarchy

If there was a demand for "fresh", "healthy" food in these so-called food deserts, why wouldn't the grocery stores start stocking this food and make a boatload of money?

u/sandwichstealer

Walk into a store after you realize sugar is toxic.

u/borgenhaust

It's more that glucose can be processed by most of your body. Fructose is only processed by your liver that stores it as fat - the natural amount you'd get from just having a bit of fruit in

u/wright007

I just did a quick Google search of some documentaries on the topic, which there are plenty of. I've seen a handful of these and they are really educational. Below is a list of recommendation

u/SilverMedal4Life

I disagree, there's such a thing as 'market-induced demand'. If France was flooded with McDonald's and other fast food chains due to other economic reasons causing local resturaunts to close

u/Sprinklypoo

> yeah the only solutions will be private enterprise backed. The only funded / pushed solutions will be. We still have the possibility of changing our own habits personally. >end cor

u/StepUpYourPuppyGame

The bastards keep feeding a seed oils because they are cheap and inexpensive. Sadly, the corporations don't care, but we all need to do a better job voting with our dollars.

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Ditto here! I think it's odd that for a society so obsessed with convenience, and for one where food television and instagram such a popular genre, why it is that we tolerate such lousy conve

u/New-Tackle-3656

I have the suspicion that the obesity problem is not caused by food, but shifts in our metabolism, and often brought about by medicine. I have a hard time shifting my weight -- in either di

u/New-Tackle-3656

I have the suspicion that the obesity problem is not caused by food, but shifts in our metabolism, and often brought about by medicine. I have a hard time shifting my weight -- in either di

u/D-Stecks

Because the real world is more complicated than Baby's First Economics Lesson.

u/-Ch4s3-

Which companies? How is it more profitable? Ad I explained elsewhere the most profitable drugs other than ozempic all have nothing to do with metabolic diseases.

u/Globalboy70

It's not just junk food it's causing the issue it's real nutritious food like fruits and vegetables they've actually become less nutritious and more sugary over time. And climate change is go

u/-Ch4s3-

You definitely don’t read that. If you had you’d see that the portions that cover fructose are giving subjects beverages sweetened with 100% fructose, which is not something people encounter

u/CAWildKitty

They absolutely are rent seeking. The autoimmune mABs do nothing except mitigate symptoms at eye-watering costs along with a huge dose of negative side effects. The effectiveness rates are us

u/Sprinklypoo

I think a lot of it is a culture of consumption. In a capitalist society (for instance) we are constantly pushed to consume. Even without food commercials, it seems like the idea would spre

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

It's also not simply not growing up with it, it's the lousy quality of the healthy food they *can* access. If the only packaged salads, for example, are limp and musty-smelling, it doesn't ma

u/necrosythe

This is one of those things that is true in aggregate, but any individual big player is going to be hard pressed to really care or see it as an improvement in their bottom line. Most things

u/Chance_Act_6296

Man, -- while your head is in the right place, and I can see you're just asking questions, Basically.. With all respect to you as a person -- everything you just said is either incorrect or

u/Shinnyo

>Diet culture is still pushing kooky schemes that sound like torture to me, such as documenting every bite of food that you eat every day, starving yourself, restricting calories/carbs/poi

u/borgenhaust

>organic meat, fish, poultry and dairy I've yet to see anyone consume inorganic versions of these.

u/D-Stecks

Because the real world is more complicated than Baby's First Economics Lesson.

u/bouquetofashes

Everyone likes to demonize HFCS but it's only 5% more fructose than in sucrose? Like it's not actually appreciably worse than just... Sugar. I'm not agreeing that it should be put in everyt

u/SuperUnabsorbant

Both are bad, but HFCS is worse because of the higher ratio of unbound fructose that puts more strain on the liver. Fructose isn't readily metabolized by muscles in the way that glucose is.

u/OriginalCompetitive

Food deserts aside, for most people who live in reach of a typical grocery store, the “food system” works great. You can buy good healthy food at affordable prices. It’s just that most people

u/borgenhaust

I'm allowed to use the definition of my choice, as are you. I still won't advocate for pica.

u/SilverMedal4Life

I'd adore it if my local 7/11 had half the stuff that Japan's ones do, instead of hot dogs that've been rolling since the last milennium and a bunch of prepackaged snack crap.

u/-Ch4s3-

You definitely don’t read that. If you had you’d see that the portions that cover fructose are giving subjects beverages sweetened with 100% fructose, which is not something people encounter

u/-Ch4s3-

Illness due to lifestyle diseases actually lowers economic productivity. The annual estimated cost of obesity in the US is $1.4tn. People miss a lot of work or become disabled due to these di

u/wright007

Yeah, is worse for the county as a whole to have sick people, but is WAY more profitable for a select few companies that depend on such people eating themselves sick. The problem is that some

u/RoastMasterShawn

Yeah I definitely noticed in Japan I felt healthier even though I wasn't eating all healthy items. Was eating fried food, alcohol, ice cream, sugar etc. But I didn't feel as bloaty and tired

u/D-Stecks

Because the real world is more complicated than Baby's First Economics Lesson.

u/necrosythe

It's definitely a difficult, cyclical problem. Food desert usually in low income and/or sparse populated area. Those people lack the background (like not growing up with it) and funds for the

u/necrosythe

Exercise is definitely still an underrated part of the equation. Pretty much any modern society and obviously an older one was way more active. Therefore also having better muscle mass and BM

u/Rom2814

I agree with “fixing the food system” where we can but that’s not going to be a total fix and trying to fix it that way would impinge on civil liberties to the point of being (truly) fascist.

u/Al-go-rithm

Teach people how to cook Add cooking class at school. To me it's shocking to see that the average American has no clue how to cook even the most basic dishes

u/Rom2814

Things that aren’t “whole” - prepared foods (e.g., frozen dinners), things with a list of 5+ ingredients, etc. We buy organic meat, fish, poultry and dairy (e.g., pasture raised, grass fed).

u/bickid

Imagine instead of all the candy and chocolate bars, super markets would sell all kinds of "veggie snacks". I'm sure the food industry COULD create some great, super low calorie stuff IF it w

u/evilcherry1114

This is why the UK Greens got lambasted as loonies against working people when they backed the sugar tax

u/Occasion-Complete

One reason why SK has low obesity is because anorexia is rampant. Have checked out those kpop girls?

u/-Ch4s3-

Listing documentaries you haven't watched isn't an argument.

u/OnyZ1

> The bastards keep feeding a seed oils because they are cheap and inexpensive. Have only ever seen studies indicating that seed oils are innocuous--at least, not worse for you than any

u/gredr

That sounds pretty healthy, but I assume you would agree that it's somewhat impractical for many people?

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Ditto here! I think it's odd that for a society so obsessed with convenience, and for one where food television and instagram such a popular genre, why it is that we tolerate such lousy conve

u/wright007

I'm talking about systematic problems and corruption. Sure there are some companies that are helping, but there are many that are profiting off the problem, and actively engaged in making thi

u/wright007

Yeah, is worse for the county as a whole to have sick people, but is WAY more profitable for a select few companies that depend on such people eating themselves sick. The problem is that some

u/Rom2814

Yes and no. It’s cheaper than some options, more expensive than others. It does take time and effort, which will be a challenge for some too. It depends on what you make a priority as well.

u/Shinnyo

I cut soooo many calories by just doing that. I only drink water and coffee, my family is struggling with their weight but they drink so many sugary shit.

u/wizzard419

It likely would for the stuff used to make syrups, especially HFCS, animal feeds, etc. Sadly though, it would likely just be a regressive tax more than anything.

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

It's also not simply not growing up with it, it's the lousy quality of the healthy food they *can* access. If the only packaged salads, for example, are limp and musty-smelling, it doesn't ma

u/Rockclimber88

Exactly. i.e. Nutella contains 58% sugar so the sticker would cover more than half of the jar. In beverages the sticker should be 3x as large because drinking diluted sugar is even worse than

u/sandwichstealer

Walk into a store after you realize sugar is toxic.

u/pottedPlant_64

It’s too late. People are planning to be on weight loss drugs their whole lives.

u/wizzard419

True, you will (for now) have agency to change but at the same time the individual doing things doesn't really move the needle if they aren't a unified force. Sort of like the arguments again

u/RoastMasterShawn

Yeah I definitely noticed in Japan I felt healthier even though I wasn't eating all healthy items. Was eating fried food, alcohol, ice cream, sugar etc. But I didn't feel as bloaty and tired

u/OnyZ1

The economics of 'healthy' food quickly and cheaply available in the US doesn't work out, but I don't understand how it does in Japan, honestly. What do they have that we don't?

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

The other day I saw [this video exploring why Japan has such a low obesity rate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH6Wq4KWu7M). It think it has some very interesting insights, such as the pre

u/GoodTeletubby

What's wrong with fixing the food system is that making it possible for everyone to eat healthy will cut into companies profit margins, and healthy people will cut into medical and pharmaceut

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Classic tragedy of the commons. The negative externality affects everyone a tiny bit, but the profit that can be had is worth it to them.

u/sandwichstealer

Walk into a store after you realize sugar is toxic.

u/borgenhaust

>organic meat, fish, poultry and dairy I've yet to see anyone consume inorganic versions of these.

u/gongmiester

This is by far the best response. The problem for the vast majority of people isn’t the food itself but their choice to eat too much/the wrong food. Excersize certainly is part of the equat

u/-Ch4s3-

You definitely don’t read that. If you had you’d see that the portions that cover fructose are giving subjects beverages sweetened with 100% fructose, which is not something people encounter

u/-Ch4s3-

With the exception of Ozempic the top grossing drugs [have nothing to do with obesity or lifestyle diseases](https://www.biospace.com/business/10-best-selling-drugs-of-2024-rake-in-billions-a

u/Shinnyo

I cut soooo many calories by just doing that. I only drink water and coffee, my family is struggling with their weight but they drink so many sugary shit.

u/coolercolder

One very simple solution: replace all the soda with drinking water.

u/costafilh0

"It is easier to change one's beliefs than to change one's habits."

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

The other day I saw [this video exploring why Japan has such a low obesity rate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH6Wq4KWu7M). It think it has some very interesting insights, such as the pre

u/Globalboy70

It's not just junk food it's causing the issue it's real nutritious food like fruits and vegetables they've actually become less nutritious and more sugary over time. And climate change is go

u/StepUpYourPuppyGame

The bastards keep feeding a seed oils because they are cheap and inexpensive. Sadly, the corporations don't care, but we all need to do a better job voting with our dollars.

u/wizzard419

It likely would for the stuff used to make syrups, especially HFCS, animal feeds, etc. Sadly though, it would likely just be a regressive tax more than anything.

u/james_the_wanderer

Density and a culinaru fetish for freshness.

u/-Ch4s3-

How is it disingenuous? None of them are rent-seeking lifestyle disease other than maybe ozempic. If drug companies were primarily profiting off of people having lifestyle or dietary diseases

u/teethandteeth

I really hope GLP drugs give junk food makers a big ol' smack in the face.

u/necrosythe

It's definitely a difficult, cyclical problem. Food desert usually in low income and/or sparse populated area. Those people lack the background (like not growing up with it) and funds for the

u/OriginalCompetitive

Food deserts aside, for most people who live in reach of a typical grocery store, the “food system” works great. You can buy good healthy food at affordable prices. It’s just that most people

u/Rom2814

Significance difference between meats that qualify as “organic” under the law in the US than meats that don’t. I used to think it was silly, but if you look at the nutritional content of, say

u/Shinnyo

I cut soooo many calories by just doing that. I only drink water and coffee, my family is struggling with their weight but they drink so many sugary shit.

u/GoodTeletubby

What's wrong with fixing the food system is that making it possible for everyone to eat healthy will cut into companies profit margins, and healthy people will cut into medical and pharmaceut

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Why don't the economics work in the US? It does seem like they have a lot more convenience stores over there, but is that it? There must be more to it.

u/D-Stecks

Because the real world is more complicated than Baby's First Economics Lesson.

u/Rockclimber88

Emotional manipulation advertisement should be banned. Coca cola is not a land of happiness with fluffy CGI characters. It's diabetes, obesity and cancer. Each advertisement of food should sh

u/gredr

That sounds pretty healthy, but I assume you would agree that it's somewhat impractical for many people?

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Ditto here! I think it's odd that for a society so obsessed with convenience, and for one where food television and instagram such a popular genre, why it is that we tolerate such lousy conve

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

It's also not simply not growing up with it, it's the lousy quality of the healthy food they *can* access. If the only packaged salads, for example, are limp and musty-smelling, it doesn't ma

u/New-Tackle-3656

I have the suspicion that the obesity problem is not caused by food, but shifts in our metabolism, and often brought about by medicine. I have a hard time shifting my weight -- in either di

u/-Ch4s3-

Illness due to lifestyle diseases actually lowers economic productivity. The annual estimated cost of obesity in the US is $1.4tn. People miss a lot of work or become disabled due to these di

u/bouquetofashes

Iirc someone attempted that as an experiment -- they increased healthy affordable options for underserved communities and those options were still not chosen. Food deserts also only account

u/-Ch4s3-

Ehh, people running large companies know they need to hire a lot of people and care a lot about healthcare costs because they pay for it. A lot of large companies will pay their employees to

u/Shinnyo

Teach people about nutrition, it's crazy how we teach so much unimportant shit but nutrition somehow gets ignored. That's why in US or West world people get scammed by drinks like Prime or s

u/Rom2814

Significance difference between meats that qualify as “organic” under the law in the US than meats that don’t. I used to think it was silly, but if you look at the nutritional content of, say

u/-Ch4s3-

Which companies? How is it more profitable? Ad I explained elsewhere the most profitable drugs other than ozempic all have nothing to do with metabolic diseases.

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Why don't the economics work in the US? It does seem like they have a lot more convenience stores over there, but is that it? There must be more to it.

u/CAWildKitty

US ice cream usually has propylene glycol added which is a cheap way to make it smoother and to prevent ice crystals. Propylene glycol is a different version of ethylene glycol (antifreeze) t

u/-Ch4s3-

France has McDonalds, a lot of them 1600 in fact which is just a bit more than half as many per capita as the US. Also “market induced demand” is not a concept in economics. You might mean

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Classic tragedy of the commons. The negative externality affects everyone a tiny bit, but the profit that can be had is worth it to them.

u/necrosythe

This is one of those things that is true in aggregate, but any individual big player is going to be hard pressed to really care or see it as an improvement in their bottom line. Most things

u/wizzard419

Considering that this is a capitalist society... yeah the only solutions will be private enterprise backed. Take the problem with cattle ranching for example. US is spending billions for thin

u/violentdeepfart

Companies putting out ever more choices of unhealthy processed garbage is a factor. But everyone has a choice not to buy those things. They do anyway, even though they see themselves getting

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

The other day I saw [this video exploring why Japan has such a low obesity rate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH6Wq4KWu7M). It think it has some very interesting insights, such as the pre

u/Scorpio989

I know that's not a solution because I am overweight and haven't had soda since 2017. I don't drink anything other than water, maybe juice once or twice a month.

u/-Ch4s3-

I agree that corn subsidies should end, but they barely affect the final price of food.

u/necrosythe

It's definitely a difficult, cyclical problem. Food desert usually in low income and/or sparse populated area. Those people lack the background (like not growing up with it) and funds for the

u/Sprinklypoo

> yeah the only solutions will be private enterprise backed. The only funded / pushed solutions will be. We still have the possibility of changing our own habits personally. >end cor

u/SuperUnabsorbant

Both are bad, but HFCS is worse because of the higher ratio of unbound fructose that puts more strain on the liver. Fructose isn't readily metabolized by muscles in the way that glucose is.

u/wizzard419

True, you will (for now) have agency to change but at the same time the individual doing things doesn't really move the needle if they aren't a unified force. Sort of like the arguments again

u/Rom2814

Yes and no. It’s cheaper than some options, more expensive than others. It does take time and effort, which will be a challenge for some too. It depends on what you make a priority as well.

u/necrosythe

It's definitely a difficult, cyclical problem. Food desert usually in low income and/or sparse populated area. Those people lack the background (like not growing up with it) and funds for the

u/suboptimus_maximus

Sedentism. America socially engineered its society around driving, subsidized automakers and socialized the costs of driving. If the only movement you do is waking from your recliner to you

u/Shinnyo

Teach people about nutrition, it's crazy how we teach so much unimportant shit but nutrition somehow gets ignored. That's why in US or West world people get scammed by drinks like Prime or s

u/gredr

> NO processed food What do you count as "processed"?

u/violentdeepfart

Companies putting out ever more choices of unhealthy processed garbage is a factor. But everyone has a choice not to buy those things. They do anyway, even though they see themselves getting

u/-Ch4s3-

You definitely don’t read that. If you had you’d see that the portions that cover fructose are giving subjects beverages sweetened with 100% fructose, which is not something people encounter

u/Rom2814

Yes and no. It’s cheaper than some options, more expensive than others. It does take time and effort, which will be a challenge for some too. It depends on what you make a priority as well.

u/evilcherry1114

This is why the UK Greens got lambasted as loonies against working people when they backed the sugar tax

u/PrivilegedPatriarchy

If there was a demand for "fresh", "healthy" food in these so-called food deserts, why wouldn't the grocery stores start stocking this food and make a boatload of money?

u/wright007

Sure, I'll point out the obvious. The processed food and convenience food industry. The pharmaceutical industry. Which company specifically? Both *entire industries* benefits from the system

u/costafilh0

"It is easier to change one's beliefs than to change one's habits."

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

The other day I saw [this video exploring why Japan has such a low obesity rate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH6Wq4KWu7M). It think it has some very interesting insights, such as the pre

u/necrosythe

Exercise is definitely still an underrated part of the equation. Pretty much any modern society and obviously an older one was way more active. Therefore also having better muscle mass and BM

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Classic tragedy of the commons. The negative externality affects everyone a tiny bit, but the profit that can be had is worth it to them.

u/GoodTeletubby

What's wrong with fixing the food system is that making it possible for everyone to eat healthy will cut into companies profit margins, and healthy people will cut into medical and pharmaceut

u/RoastMasterShawn

Yeah I definitely noticed in Japan I felt healthier even though I wasn't eating all healthy items. Was eating fried food, alcohol, ice cream, sugar etc. But I didn't feel as bloaty and tired

u/-Ch4s3-

Which companies? How is it more profitable? Ad I explained elsewhere the most profitable drugs other than ozempic all have nothing to do with metabolic diseases.

u/grundar

> Pretty much any modern society and obviously an older one was way more active. [Research suggests otherwise:](https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/1m27xx8/a_new_study_suggests_that

u/-Ch4s3-

I agree that corn subsidies should end, but they barely affect the final price of food.

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Why don't the economics work in the US? It does seem like they have a lot more convenience stores over there, but is that it? There must be more to it.

u/Shinnyo

It's because you don't have the correct methods, I used to think like you. I tried losing weight 2 times by doing sports and it changed nothing. Yes, there's genetics and medicines that will

u/-Ch4s3-

How is it disingenuous? None of them are rent-seeking lifestyle disease other than maybe ozempic. If drug companies were primarily profiting off of people having lifestyle or dietary diseases

u/borgenhaust

I'm allowed to use the definition of my choice, as are you. I still won't advocate for pica.

u/sandwichstealer

Walk into a store after you realize sugar is toxic.

u/Rom2814

I agree with “fixing the food system” where we can but that’s not going to be a total fix and trying to fix it that way would impinge on civil liberties to the point of being (truly) fascist.

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Why don't the economics work in the US? It does seem like they have a lot more convenience stores over there, but is that it? There must be more to it.

u/Chance_Act_6296

Man, -- while your head is in the right place, and I can see you're just asking questions, Basically.. With all respect to you as a person -- everything you just said is either incorrect or

u/bickid

Imagine instead of all the candy and chocolate bars, super markets would sell all kinds of "veggie snacks". I'm sure the food industry COULD create some great, super low calorie stuff IF it w

u/Rom2814

Things that aren’t “whole” - prepared foods (e.g., frozen dinners), things with a list of 5+ ingredients, etc. We buy organic meat, fish, poultry and dairy (e.g., pasture raised, grass fed).

u/pandaeye0

Not just eat less, merely asking people to waste less will result in big profit cut.

u/Rockclimber88

Emotional manipulation advertisement should be banned. Coca cola is not a land of happiness with fluffy CGI characters. It's diabetes, obesity and cancer. Each advertisement of food should sh

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Ditto here! I think it's odd that for a society so obsessed with convenience, and for one where food television and instagram such a popular genre, why it is that we tolerate such lousy conve

u/necrosythe

Exercise is definitely still an underrated part of the equation. Pretty much any modern society and obviously an older one was way more active. Therefore also having better muscle mass and BM

u/-Ch4s3-

The contribution of corn subsidies to a soda is less than 2¢ per bottle. People should really go look at the actual numbers before making sweeping claims about how to fix society. This sub i

u/Shinnyo

Like on cigarettes pack, they should put photos of the consequences of diabetes on heavily sugared product.

u/gredr

That sounds pretty healthy, but I assume you would agree that it's somewhat impractical for many people?

u/odent999

Lay person, non-expert here. The real food lack in food deserts is likely due to the loss of mom-and-pop grocers to large centralized chains. Their sourcing of fresh produce from nearby far

u/OnyZ1

> The bastards keep feeding a seed oils because they are cheap and inexpensive. Have only ever seen studies indicating that seed oils are innocuous--at least, not worse for you than any

u/borgenhaust

I'm allowed to use the definition of my choice, as are you. I still won't advocate for pica.

u/gredr

> NO processed food What do you count as "processed"?

u/Sprinklypoo

I think a lot of it is a culture of consumption. In a capitalist society (for instance) we are constantly pushed to consume. Even without food commercials, it seems like the idea would spre

u/pandaeye0

Not just eat less, merely asking people to waste less will result in big profit cut.

u/Occasion-Complete

One reason why SK has low obesity is because anorexia is rampant. Have checked out those kpop girls?

u/Shinnyo

>Diet culture is still pushing kooky schemes that sound like torture to me, such as documenting every bite of food that you eat every day, starving yourself, restricting calories/carbs/poi

u/wright007

Yeah, is worse for the county as a whole to have sick people, but is WAY more profitable for a select few companies that depend on such people eating themselves sick. The problem is that some

u/Sprinklypoo

I think a lot of it is a culture of consumption. In a capitalist society (for instance) we are constantly pushed to consume. Even without food commercials, it seems like the idea would spre

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Why don't the economics work in the US? It does seem like they have a lot more convenience stores over there, but is that it? There must be more to it.

u/SilverMedal4Life

Believe what you want to believe, but it was not consumers who wanted high fructose corn syrup in their soft drinks instead of cane sugar.

u/Al-go-rithm

Teach people how to cook Add cooking class at school. To me it's shocking to see that the average American has no clue how to cook even the most basic dishes

u/D-Stecks

Because the real world is more complicated than Baby's First Economics Lesson.

u/wizzard419

Considering that this is a capitalist society... yeah the only solutions will be private enterprise backed. Take the problem with cattle ranching for example. US is spending billions for thin

u/-Ch4s3-

High fructose corn syrup and table sugar are nearly identical and metabolized the same way. [Here’s a meta-analysis](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9551185/ ) of all of the best rel

u/Shinnyo

>Diet culture is still pushing kooky schemes that sound like torture to me, such as documenting every bite of food that you eat every day, starving yourself, restricting calories/carbs/poi

u/-Ch4s3-

The contribution of corn subsidies to a soda is less than 2¢ per bottle. People should really go look at the actual numbers before making sweeping claims about how to fix society. This sub i

u/costafilh0

"It is easier to change one's beliefs than to change one's habits."

u/-Ch4s3-

The contribution of corn subsidies to a soda is less than 2¢ per bottle. People should really go look at the actual numbers before making sweeping claims about how to fix society. This sub i

u/Globalboy70

It's not just junk food it's causing the issue it's real nutritious food like fruits and vegetables they've actually become less nutritious and more sugary over time. And climate change is go

u/D-Stecks

Because the real world is more complicated than Baby's First Economics Lesson.

u/Shinnyo

Teach people about nutrition, it's crazy how we teach so much unimportant shit but nutrition somehow gets ignored. That's why in US or West world people get scammed by drinks like Prime or s

u/sandwichstealer

Walk into a store after you realize sugar is toxic.

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

The other day I saw [this video exploring why Japan has such a low obesity rate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH6Wq4KWu7M). It think it has some very interesting insights, such as the pre

u/wright007

Yeah, is worse for the county as a whole to have sick people, but is WAY more profitable for a select few companies that depend on such people eating themselves sick. The problem is that some

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Ditto here! I think it's odd that for a society so obsessed with convenience, and for one where food television and instagram such a popular genre, why it is that we tolerate such lousy conve

u/RoastMasterShawn

Yeah I definitely noticed in Japan I felt healthier even though I wasn't eating all healthy items. Was eating fried food, alcohol, ice cream, sugar etc. But I didn't feel as bloaty and tired

u/wright007

Sure, I'll point out the obvious. The processed food and convenience food industry. The pharmaceutical industry. Which company specifically? Both *entire industries* benefits from the system

u/Shinnyo

Like on cigarettes pack, they should put photos of the consequences of diabetes on heavily sugared product.

u/bouquetofashes

Iirc someone attempted that as an experiment -- they increased healthy affordable options for underserved communities and those options were still not chosen. Food deserts also only account

u/wizzard419

True, you will (for now) have agency to change but at the same time the individual doing things doesn't really move the needle if they aren't a unified force. Sort of like the arguments again

u/-Ch4s3-

High fructose corn syrup and table sugar are nearly identical and metabolized the same way. [Here’s a meta-analysis](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9551185/ ) of all of the best rel

u/OnyZ1

> The bastards keep feeding a seed oils because they are cheap and inexpensive. Have only ever seen studies indicating that seed oils are innocuous--at least, not worse for you than any

u/heybart

In America when you go out to eat, what are your healthy options Around where I am, maybe sushi and other ethnic food. Chain restaurants like cheesecake factory are pretty loaded with fat an

u/sandwichstealer

Walk into a store after you realize sugar is toxic.

u/-Ch4s3-

So food companies will sell anything you’ll buy, you see them moving to protein products now. Of the top 20 most profitable drugs last year only one, ozempic relates to lifestyle diseases. P

u/gredr

> NO processed food What do you count as "processed"?

u/necrosythe

It's definitely a difficult, cyclical problem. Food desert usually in low income and/or sparse populated area. Those people lack the background (like not growing up with it) and funds for the

u/-Ch4s3-

With the exception of Ozempic the top grossing drugs [have nothing to do with obesity or lifestyle diseases](https://www.biospace.com/business/10-best-selling-drugs-of-2024-rake-in-billions-a

u/-Ch4s3-

Listing documentaries you haven't watched isn't an argument.

u/Rockclimber88

Exactly. i.e. Nutella contains 58% sugar so the sticker would cover more than half of the jar. In beverages the sticker should be 3x as large because drinking diluted sugar is even worse than

u/New-Tackle-3656

I have the suspicion that the obesity problem is not caused by food, but shifts in our metabolism, and often brought about by medicine. I have a hard time shifting my weight -- in either di

u/borgenhaust

>organic meat, fish, poultry and dairy I've yet to see anyone consume inorganic versions of these.

u/odent999

Lay person, non-expert here. The real food lack in food deserts is likely due to the loss of mom-and-pop grocers to large centralized chains. Their sourcing of fresh produce from nearby far

u/borgenhaust

It's more that glucose can be processed by most of your body. Fructose is only processed by your liver that stores it as fat - the natural amount you'd get from just having a bit of fruit in

u/borgenhaust

I'm allowed to use the definition of my choice, as are you. I still won't advocate for pica.

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

It's also not simply not growing up with it, it's the lousy quality of the healthy food they *can* access. If the only packaged salads, for example, are limp and musty-smelling, it doesn't ma

u/bouquetofashes

Iirc someone attempted that as an experiment -- they increased healthy affordable options for underserved communities and those options were still not chosen. Food deserts also only account

u/grundar

> Pretty much any modern society and obviously an older one was way more active. [Research suggests otherwise:](https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/1m27xx8/a_new_study_suggests_that

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Ditto here! I think it's odd that for a society so obsessed with convenience, and for one where food television and instagram such a popular genre, why it is that we tolerate such lousy conve

u/Shinnyo

I cut soooo many calories by just doing that. I only drink water and coffee, my family is struggling with their weight but they drink so many sugary shit.

u/wright007

I'm talking about systematic problems and corruption. Sure there are some companies that are helping, but there are many that are profiting off the problem, and actively engaged in making thi

u/-Ch4s3-

The contribution of corn subsidies to a soda is less than 2¢ per bottle. People should really go look at the actual numbers before making sweeping claims about how to fix society. This sub i

u/Rom2814

Significance difference between meats that qualify as “organic” under the law in the US than meats that don’t. I used to think it was silly, but if you look at the nutritional content of, say

u/gongmiester

This is by far the best response. The problem for the vast majority of people isn’t the food itself but their choice to eat too much/the wrong food. Excersize certainly is part of the equat

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Classic tragedy of the commons. The negative externality affects everyone a tiny bit, but the profit that can be had is worth it to them.

u/Rockclimber88

They are both bad but HFCS is worse. It's about the speed of absorption. HFCS goes straight into the bloodstream. Replacing it with sugar wouldn't help because lots of sugar is still very bad

u/violentdeepfart

Companies putting out ever more choices of unhealthy processed garbage is a factor. But everyone has a choice not to buy those things. They do anyway, even though they see themselves getting

u/Rockclimber88

They are both bad but HFCS is worse. It's about the speed of absorption. HFCS goes straight into the bloodstream. Replacing it with sugar wouldn't help because lots of sugar is still very bad

u/coolercolder

One very simple solution: replace all the soda with drinking water.

u/CAWildKitty

US ice cream usually has propylene glycol added which is a cheap way to make it smoother and to prevent ice crystals. Propylene glycol is a different version of ethylene glycol (antifreeze) t

u/violentdeepfart

Companies putting out ever more choices of unhealthy processed garbage is a factor. But everyone has a choice not to buy those things. They do anyway, even though they see themselves getting

u/wizzard419

Considering that this is a capitalist society... yeah the only solutions will be private enterprise backed. Take the problem with cattle ranching for example. US is spending billions for thin

u/Globalboy70

It's not just junk food it's causing the issue it's real nutritious food like fruits and vegetables they've actually become less nutritious and more sugary over time. And climate change is go

u/SniffingDelphi

Another reason the end corn subsidies (just found out about) corn sweat.

u/CAWildKitty

They absolutely are rent seeking. The autoimmune mABs do nothing except mitigate symptoms at eye-watering costs along with a huge dose of negative side effects. The effectiveness rates are us

u/-Ch4s3-

High fructose corn syrup and table sugar are nearly identical and metabolized the same way. [Here’s a meta-analysis](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9551185/ ) of all of the best rel

u/james_the_wanderer

Density and a culinaru fetish for freshness.

u/wright007

I just did a quick Google search of some documentaries on the topic, which there are plenty of. I've seen a handful of these and they are really educational. Below is a list of recommendation

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

It's also not simply not growing up with it, it's the lousy quality of the healthy food they *can* access. If the only packaged salads, for example, are limp and musty-smelling, it doesn't ma

u/Scorpio989

I know that's not a solution because I am overweight and haven't had soda since 2017. I don't drink anything other than water, maybe juice once or twice a month.

u/Rom2814

Things that aren’t “whole” - prepared foods (e.g., frozen dinners), things with a list of 5+ ingredients, etc. We buy organic meat, fish, poultry and dairy (e.g., pasture raised, grass fed).

u/violentdeepfart

Companies putting out ever more choices of unhealthy processed garbage is a factor. But everyone has a choice not to buy those things. They do anyway, even though they see themselves getting

u/SilverMedal4Life

Believe what you want to believe, but it was not consumers who wanted high fructose corn syrup in their soft drinks instead of cane sugar.

u/SilverMedal4Life

Believe what you want to believe, but it was not consumers who wanted high fructose corn syrup in their soft drinks instead of cane sugar.

u/Shinnyo

It's because you don't have the correct methods, I used to think like you. I tried losing weight 2 times by doing sports and it changed nothing. Yes, there's genetics and medicines that will

u/SilverMedal4Life

I'd adore it if my local 7/11 had half the stuff that Japan's ones do, instead of hot dogs that've been rolling since the last milennium and a bunch of prepackaged snack crap.

u/Rom2814

I agree with “fixing the food system” where we can but that’s not going to be a total fix and trying to fix it that way would impinge on civil liberties to the point of being (truly) fascist.

u/SuperUnabsorbant

Both are bad, but HFCS is worse because of the higher ratio of unbound fructose that puts more strain on the liver. Fructose isn't readily metabolized by muscles in the way that glucose is.

u/violentdeepfart

Companies putting out ever more choices of unhealthy processed garbage is a factor. But everyone has a choice not to buy those things. They do anyway, even though they see themselves getting

u/necrosythe

It's definitely a difficult, cyclical problem. Food desert usually in low income and/or sparse populated area. Those people lack the background (like not growing up with it) and funds for the

u/necrosythe

Exercise is definitely still an underrated part of the equation. Pretty much any modern society and obviously an older one was way more active. Therefore also having better muscle mass and BM

u/-Ch4s3-

The contribution of corn subsidies to a soda is less than 2¢ per bottle. People should really go look at the actual numbers before making sweeping claims about how to fix society. This sub i

u/james_the_wanderer

Density and a culinaru fetish for freshness.

u/suboptimus_maximus

Sedentism. America socially engineered its society around driving, subsidized automakers and socialized the costs of driving. If the only movement you do is waking from your recliner to you

u/wizzard419

It likely would for the stuff used to make syrups, especially HFCS, animal feeds, etc. Sadly though, it would likely just be a regressive tax more than anything.

u/wright007

Sure, I'll point out the obvious. The processed food and convenience food industry. The pharmaceutical industry. Which company specifically? Both *entire industries* benefits from the system

u/Globalboy70

It's not just junk food it's causing the issue it's real nutritious food like fruits and vegetables they've actually become less nutritious and more sugary over time. And climate change is go

u/Rom2814

Yes and no. It’s cheaper than some options, more expensive than others. It does take time and effort, which will be a challenge for some too. It depends on what you make a priority as well.

u/SilverMedal4Life

Believe what you want to believe, but it was not consumers who wanted high fructose corn syrup in their soft drinks instead of cane sugar.

u/SilverMedal4Life

I'd adore it if my local 7/11 had half the stuff that Japan's ones do, instead of hot dogs that've been rolling since the last milennium and a bunch of prepackaged snack crap.

u/-Ch4s3-

Dismissing the mitigation of symptoms of autoimmune diseases is some kind of take. What the fuck are you talking about? You can’t mitigate Type I diabetes or a number of types of later stage

u/james_the_wanderer

Density and a culinaru fetish for freshness.

u/evilcherry1114

This is why the UK Greens got lambasted as loonies against working people when they backed the sugar tax

u/New-Tackle-3656

I have the suspicion that the obesity problem is not caused by food, but shifts in our metabolism, and often brought about by medicine. I have a hard time shifting my weight -- in either di

u/pottedPlant_64

It’s too late. People are planning to be on weight loss drugs their whole lives.

u/wizzard419

It likely would for the stuff used to make syrups, especially HFCS, animal feeds, etc. Sadly though, it would likely just be a regressive tax more than anything.

u/necrosythe

This is one of those things that is true in aggregate, but any individual big player is going to be hard pressed to really care or see it as an improvement in their bottom line. Most things

u/teethandteeth

I really hope GLP drugs give junk food makers a big ol' smack in the face.

u/-Ch4s3-

Ehh, people running large companies know they need to hire a lot of people and care a lot about healthcare costs because they pay for it. A lot of large companies will pay their employees to

u/Sprinklypoo

> yeah the only solutions will be private enterprise backed. The only funded / pushed solutions will be. We still have the possibility of changing our own habits personally. >end cor

u/pandaeye0

Not just eat less, merely asking people to waste less will result in big profit cut.

u/Chance_Act_6296

Man, -- while your head is in the right place, and I can see you're just asking questions, Basically.. With all respect to you as a person -- everything you just said is either incorrect or

u/pandaeye0

Not just eat less, merely asking people to waste less will result in big profit cut.

u/teethandteeth

I really hope GLP drugs give junk food makers a big ol' smack in the face.

u/odent999

Lay person, non-expert here. The real food lack in food deserts is likely due to the loss of mom-and-pop grocers to large centralized chains. Their sourcing of fresh produce from nearby far

u/bouquetofashes

Iirc someone attempted that as an experiment -- they increased healthy affordable options for underserved communities and those options were still not chosen. Food deserts also only account

u/Rockclimber88

They are both bad but HFCS is worse. It's about the speed of absorption. HFCS goes straight into the bloodstream. Replacing it with sugar wouldn't help because lots of sugar is still very bad

u/wright007

I'm talking about systematic problems and corruption. Sure there are some companies that are helping, but there are many that are profiting off the problem, and actively engaged in making thi

u/wizzard419

True, you will (for now) have agency to change but at the same time the individual doing things doesn't really move the needle if they aren't a unified force. Sort of like the arguments again

u/Rockclimber88

Emotional manipulation advertisement should be banned. Coca cola is not a land of happiness with fluffy CGI characters. It's diabetes, obesity and cancer. Each advertisement of food should sh

u/Rom2814

Yes and no. It’s cheaper than some options, more expensive than others. It does take time and effort, which will be a challenge for some too. It depends on what you make a priority as well.

u/Rom2814

Things that aren’t “whole” - prepared foods (e.g., frozen dinners), things with a list of 5+ ingredients, etc. We buy organic meat, fish, poultry and dairy (e.g., pasture raised, grass fed).

u/-Ch4s3-

So food companies will sell anything you’ll buy, you see them moving to protein products now. Of the top 20 most profitable drugs last year only one, ozempic relates to lifestyle diseases. P

u/Shinnyo

Teach people about nutrition, it's crazy how we teach so much unimportant shit but nutrition somehow gets ignored. That's why in US or West world people get scammed by drinks like Prime or s

u/SilverMedal4Life

Believe what you want to believe, but it was not consumers who wanted high fructose corn syrup in their soft drinks instead of cane sugar.

u/pottedPlant_64

It’s too late. People are planning to be on weight loss drugs their whole lives.

u/pottedPlant_64

It’s too late. People are planning to be on weight loss drugs their whole lives.

u/-Ch4s3-

I agree that corn subsidies should end, but they barely affect the final price of food.

u/SilverMedal4Life

I disagree, there's such a thing as 'market-induced demand'. If France was flooded with McDonald's and other fast food chains due to other economic reasons causing local resturaunts to close

u/Sprinklypoo

> yeah the only solutions will be private enterprise backed. The only funded / pushed solutions will be. We still have the possibility of changing our own habits personally. >end cor

u/bouquetofashes

Iirc someone attempted that as an experiment -- they increased healthy affordable options for underserved communities and those options were still not chosen. Food deserts also only account

u/-Ch4s3-

Ehh, people running large companies know they need to hire a lot of people and care a lot about healthcare costs because they pay for it. A lot of large companies will pay their employees to

u/-Ch4s3-

Illness due to lifestyle diseases actually lowers economic productivity. The annual estimated cost of obesity in the US is $1.4tn. People miss a lot of work or become disabled due to these di

u/teethandteeth

I really hope GLP drugs give junk food makers a big ol' smack in the face.

u/Scorpio989

I know that's not a solution because I am overweight and haven't had soda since 2017. I don't drink anything other than water, maybe juice once or twice a month.

u/Shinnyo

Like on cigarettes pack, they should put photos of the consequences of diabetes on heavily sugared product.

u/New-Tackle-3656

I have the suspicion that the obesity problem is not caused by food, but shifts in our metabolism, and often brought about by medicine. I have a hard time shifting my weight -- in either di

u/-Ch4s3-

Listing documentaries you haven't watched isn't an argument.

u/borgenhaust

It's more that glucose can be processed by most of your body. Fructose is only processed by your liver that stores it as fat - the natural amount you'd get from just having a bit of fruit in

u/wright007

Yeah, is worse for the county as a whole to have sick people, but is WAY more profitable for a select few companies that depend on such people eating themselves sick. The problem is that some

u/SuperUnabsorbant

Both are bad, but HFCS is worse because of the higher ratio of unbound fructose that puts more strain on the liver. Fructose isn't readily metabolized by muscles in the way that glucose is.

u/-Ch4s3-

> I'm talking about systematic problems and corruption. Like what specifically? Give us an example. > Sure there are some companies that are helping, but there are many that are profi

u/-Ch4s3-

Ehh, people running large companies know they need to hire a lot of people and care a lot about healthcare costs because they pay for it. A lot of large companies will pay their employees to

u/necrosythe

Exercise is definitely still an underrated part of the equation. Pretty much any modern society and obviously an older one was way more active. Therefore also having better muscle mass and BM

u/SuperUnabsorbant

Both are bad, but HFCS is worse because of the higher ratio of unbound fructose that puts more strain on the liver. Fructose isn't readily metabolized by muscles in the way that glucose is.

u/-Ch4s3-

How is it disingenuous? None of them are rent-seeking lifestyle disease other than maybe ozempic. If drug companies were primarily profiting off of people having lifestyle or dietary diseases

u/necrosythe

Exercise is definitely still an underrated part of the equation. Pretty much any modern society and obviously an older one was way more active. Therefore also having better muscle mass and BM

u/Rockclimber88

Emotional manipulation advertisement should be banned. Coca cola is not a land of happiness with fluffy CGI characters. It's diabetes, obesity and cancer. Each advertisement of food should sh

u/CAWildKitty

US ice cream usually has propylene glycol added which is a cheap way to make it smoother and to prevent ice crystals. Propylene glycol is a different version of ethylene glycol (antifreeze) t

u/Rockclimber88

Emotional manipulation advertisement should be banned. Coca cola is not a land of happiness with fluffy CGI characters. It's diabetes, obesity and cancer. Each advertisement of food should sh

u/gredr

> NO processed food What do you count as "processed"?

u/teethandteeth

I really hope GLP drugs give junk food makers a big ol' smack in the face.

u/gongmiester

This is by far the best response. The problem for the vast majority of people isn’t the food itself but their choice to eat too much/the wrong food. Excersize certainly is part of the equat

u/borgenhaust

It's more that glucose can be processed by most of your body. Fructose is only processed by your liver that stores it as fat - the natural amount you'd get from just having a bit of fruit in

u/odent999

Lay person, non-expert here. The real food lack in food deserts is likely due to the loss of mom-and-pop grocers to large centralized chains. Their sourcing of fresh produce from nearby far

u/SuperUnabsorbant

Both are bad, but HFCS is worse because of the higher ratio of unbound fructose that puts more strain on the liver. Fructose isn't readily metabolized by muscles in the way that glucose is.

u/OriginalCompetitive

Food deserts aside, for most people who live in reach of a typical grocery store, the “food system” works great. You can buy good healthy food at affordable prices. It’s just that most people

u/Rockclimber88

Emotional manipulation advertisement should be banned. Coca cola is not a land of happiness with fluffy CGI characters. It's diabetes, obesity and cancer. Each advertisement of food should sh

u/-Ch4s3-

With the exception of Ozempic the top grossing drugs [have nothing to do with obesity or lifestyle diseases](https://www.biospace.com/business/10-best-selling-drugs-of-2024-rake-in-billions-a

u/Globalboy70

It's not just junk food it's causing the issue it's real nutritious food like fruits and vegetables they've actually become less nutritious and more sugary over time. And climate change is go

u/Rockclimber88

Exactly. i.e. Nutella contains 58% sugar so the sticker would cover more than half of the jar. In beverages the sticker should be 3x as large because drinking diluted sugar is even worse than

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Classic tragedy of the commons. The negative externality affects everyone a tiny bit, but the profit that can be had is worth it to them.

u/-Ch4s3-

France has McDonalds, a lot of them 1600 in fact which is just a bit more than half as many per capita as the US. Also “market induced demand” is not a concept in economics. You might mean

u/RoastMasterShawn

Yeah I definitely noticed in Japan I felt healthier even though I wasn't eating all healthy items. Was eating fried food, alcohol, ice cream, sugar etc. But I didn't feel as bloaty and tired

u/-Ch4s3-

I agree that corn subsidies should end, but they barely affect the final price of food.

u/-Ch4s3-

France has McDonalds, a lot of them 1600 in fact which is just a bit more than half as many per capita as the US. Also “market induced demand” is not a concept in economics. You might mean

u/Rockclimber88

They are both bad but HFCS is worse. It's about the speed of absorption. HFCS goes straight into the bloodstream. Replacing it with sugar wouldn't help because lots of sugar is still very bad

u/costafilh0

"It is easier to change one's beliefs than to change one's habits."

u/wright007

Sure, I'll point out the obvious. The processed food and convenience food industry. The pharmaceutical industry. Which company specifically? Both *entire industries* benefits from the system

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

It's also not simply not growing up with it, it's the lousy quality of the healthy food they *can* access. If the only packaged salads, for example, are limp and musty-smelling, it doesn't ma

u/RoastMasterShawn

Yeah I definitely noticed in Japan I felt healthier even though I wasn't eating all healthy items. Was eating fried food, alcohol, ice cream, sugar etc. But I didn't feel as bloaty and tired

u/-Ch4s3-

Ehh, people running large companies know they need to hire a lot of people and care a lot about healthcare costs because they pay for it. A lot of large companies will pay their employees to

u/StepUpYourPuppyGame

The bastards keep feeding a seed oils because they are cheap and inexpensive. Sadly, the corporations don't care, but we all need to do a better job voting with our dollars.

u/Rockclimber88

They are both bad but HFCS is worse. It's about the speed of absorption. HFCS goes straight into the bloodstream. Replacing it with sugar wouldn't help because lots of sugar is still very bad

u/Occasion-Complete

One reason why SK has low obesity is because anorexia is rampant. Have checked out those kpop girls?

u/wright007

I'm talking about systematic problems and corruption. Sure there are some companies that are helping, but there are many that are profiting off the problem, and actively engaged in making thi

u/Shinnyo

I cut soooo many calories by just doing that. I only drink water and coffee, my family is struggling with their weight but they drink so many sugary shit.

u/wizzard419

It likely would for the stuff used to make syrups, especially HFCS, animal feeds, etc. Sadly though, it would likely just be a regressive tax more than anything.

u/Occasion-Complete

One reason why SK has low obesity is because anorexia is rampant. Have checked out those kpop girls?

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Ditto here! I think it's odd that for a society so obsessed with convenience, and for one where food television and instagram such a popular genre, why it is that we tolerate such lousy conve

u/wright007

Sure, I'll point out the obvious. The processed food and convenience food industry. The pharmaceutical industry. Which company specifically? Both *entire industries* benefits from the system

u/necrosythe

Exercise is definitely still an underrated part of the equation. Pretty much any modern society and obviously an older one was way more active. Therefore also having better muscle mass and BM

u/evilcherry1114

This is why the UK Greens got lambasted as loonies against working people when they backed the sugar tax

u/Shinnyo

Teach people about nutrition, it's crazy how we teach so much unimportant shit but nutrition somehow gets ignored. That's why in US or West world people get scammed by drinks like Prime or s

u/RoastMasterShawn

Yeah I definitely noticed in Japan I felt healthier even though I wasn't eating all healthy items. Was eating fried food, alcohol, ice cream, sugar etc. But I didn't feel as bloaty and tired

u/pottedPlant_64

It’s too late. People are planning to be on weight loss drugs their whole lives.

u/-Ch4s3-

You definitely don’t read that. If you had you’d see that the portions that cover fructose are giving subjects beverages sweetened with 100% fructose, which is not something people encounter

u/Rockclimber88

Exactly. i.e. Nutella contains 58% sugar so the sticker would cover more than half of the jar. In beverages the sticker should be 3x as large because drinking diluted sugar is even worse than

u/suboptimus_maximus

Sedentism. America socially engineered its society around driving, subsidized automakers and socialized the costs of driving. If the only movement you do is waking from your recliner to you

u/SilverMedal4Life

I'd adore it if my local 7/11 had half the stuff that Japan's ones do, instead of hot dogs that've been rolling since the last milennium and a bunch of prepackaged snack crap.

u/SilverMedal4Life

I disagree, there's such a thing as 'market-induced demand'. If France was flooded with McDonald's and other fast food chains due to other economic reasons causing local resturaunts to close

u/bouquetofashes

Everyone likes to demonize HFCS but it's only 5% more fructose than in sucrose? Like it's not actually appreciably worse than just... Sugar. I'm not agreeing that it should be put in everyt

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

It's also not simply not growing up with it, it's the lousy quality of the healthy food they *can* access. If the only packaged salads, for example, are limp and musty-smelling, it doesn't ma

u/OnyZ1

The economics of 'healthy' food quickly and cheaply available in the US doesn't work out, but I don't understand how it does in Japan, honestly. What do they have that we don't?

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Classic tragedy of the commons. The negative externality affects everyone a tiny bit, but the profit that can be had is worth it to them.

u/gredr

That sounds pretty healthy, but I assume you would agree that it's somewhat impractical for many people?

u/-Ch4s3-

France has McDonalds, a lot of them 1600 in fact which is just a bit more than half as many per capita as the US. Also “market induced demand” is not a concept in economics. You might mean

u/odent999

Lay person, non-expert here. The real food lack in food deserts is likely due to the loss of mom-and-pop grocers to large centralized chains. Their sourcing of fresh produce from nearby far

u/-Ch4s3-

High fructose corn syrup and table sugar are nearly identical and metabolized the same way. [Here’s a meta-analysis](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9551185/ ) of all of the best rel

u/pandaeye0

Not just eat less, merely asking people to waste less will result in big profit cut.

u/pottedPlant_64

It’s too late. People are planning to be on weight loss drugs their whole lives.

u/wright007

I just did a quick Google search of some documentaries on the topic, which there are plenty of. I've seen a handful of these and they are really educational. Below is a list of recommendation

u/CAWildKitty

This is disingenuous considering most of the drugs listed are biologics, or mABs and have been structured as injectable and given an insanely high price. Many of them, including Humira have t

u/-Ch4s3-

So food companies will sell anything you’ll buy, you see them moving to protein products now. Of the top 20 most profitable drugs last year only one, ozempic relates to lifestyle diseases. P

u/Globalboy70

It's not just junk food it's causing the issue it's real nutritious food like fruits and vegetables they've actually become less nutritious and more sugary over time. And climate change is go

u/borgenhaust

>organic meat, fish, poultry and dairy I've yet to see anyone consume inorganic versions of these.

u/bickid

Imagine instead of all the candy and chocolate bars, super markets would sell all kinds of "veggie snacks". I'm sure the food industry COULD create some great, super low calorie stuff IF it w

u/Occasion-Complete

One reason why SK has low obesity is because anorexia is rampant. Have checked out those kpop girls?

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Why don't the economics work in the US? It does seem like they have a lot more convenience stores over there, but is that it? There must be more to it.

u/necrosythe

Exercise is definitely still an underrated part of the equation. Pretty much any modern society and obviously an older one was way more active. Therefore also having better muscle mass and BM

u/Shinnyo

I cut soooo many calories by just doing that. I only drink water and coffee, my family is struggling with their weight but they drink so many sugary shit.

u/Shinnyo

>Diet culture is still pushing kooky schemes that sound like torture to me, such as documenting every bite of food that you eat every day, starving yourself, restricting calories/carbs/poi

u/Sprinklypoo

> yeah the only solutions will be private enterprise backed. The only funded / pushed solutions will be. We still have the possibility of changing our own habits personally. >end cor

u/pottedPlant_64

It’s too late. People are planning to be on weight loss drugs their whole lives.

u/borgenhaust

It's more that glucose can be processed by most of your body. Fructose is only processed by your liver that stores it as fat - the natural amount you'd get from just having a bit of fruit in

u/Rockclimber88

Exactly. i.e. Nutella contains 58% sugar so the sticker would cover more than half of the jar. In beverages the sticker should be 3x as large because drinking diluted sugar is even worse than

u/pottedPlant_64

It’s too late. People are planning to be on weight loss drugs their whole lives.

u/Rockclimber88

Emotional manipulation advertisement should be banned. Coca cola is not a land of happiness with fluffy CGI characters. It's diabetes, obesity and cancer. Each advertisement of food should sh

u/bickid

Imagine instead of all the candy and chocolate bars, super markets would sell all kinds of "veggie snacks". I'm sure the food industry COULD create some great, super low calorie stuff IF it w

u/costafilh0

"It is easier to change one's beliefs than to change one's habits."

u/Sprinklypoo

I think a lot of it is a culture of consumption. In a capitalist society (for instance) we are constantly pushed to consume. Even without food commercials, it seems like the idea would spre

u/-Ch4s3-

High fructose corn syrup and table sugar are nearly identical and metabolized the same way. [Here’s a meta-analysis](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9551185/ ) of all of the best rel

u/sandwichstealer

Walk into a store after you realize sugar is toxic.

u/coolercolder

One very simple solution: replace all the soda with drinking water.

u/CAWildKitty

US ice cream usually has propylene glycol added which is a cheap way to make it smoother and to prevent ice crystals. Propylene glycol is a different version of ethylene glycol (antifreeze) t

u/Al-go-rithm

Teach people how to cook Add cooking class at school. To me it's shocking to see that the average American has no clue how to cook even the most basic dishes

u/-Ch4s3-

Which companies? How is it more profitable? Ad I explained elsewhere the most profitable drugs other than ozempic all have nothing to do with metabolic diseases.

u/Rockclimber88

Exactly. i.e. Nutella contains 58% sugar so the sticker would cover more than half of the jar. In beverages the sticker should be 3x as large because drinking diluted sugar is even worse than

u/Rom2814

I agree with “fixing the food system” where we can but that’s not going to be a total fix and trying to fix it that way would impinge on civil liberties to the point of being (truly) fascist.

u/suboptimus_maximus

Sedentism. America socially engineered its society around driving, subsidized automakers and socialized the costs of driving. If the only movement you do is waking from your recliner to you

u/necrosythe

This is one of those things that is true in aggregate, but any individual big player is going to be hard pressed to really care or see it as an improvement in their bottom line. Most things

u/-Ch4s3-

France has McDonalds, a lot of them 1600 in fact which is just a bit more than half as many per capita as the US. Also “market induced demand” is not a concept in economics. You might mean

u/necrosythe

It's definitely a difficult, cyclical problem. Food desert usually in low income and/or sparse populated area. Those people lack the background (like not growing up with it) and funds for the

u/evilcherry1114

This is why the UK Greens got lambasted as loonies against working people when they backed the sugar tax

u/Shinnyo

It's because you don't have the correct methods, I used to think like you. I tried losing weight 2 times by doing sports and it changed nothing. Yes, there's genetics and medicines that will

u/Al-go-rithm

Teach people how to cook Add cooking class at school. To me it's shocking to see that the average American has no clue how to cook even the most basic dishes

u/Sprinklypoo

I think a lot of it is a culture of consumption. In a capitalist society (for instance) we are constantly pushed to consume. Even without food commercials, it seems like the idea would spre

u/Chance_Act_6296

Man, -- while your head is in the right place, and I can see you're just asking questions, Basically.. With all respect to you as a person -- everything you just said is either incorrect or

u/Rom2814

Yes and no. It’s cheaper than some options, more expensive than others. It does take time and effort, which will be a challenge for some too. It depends on what you make a priority as well.

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Classic tragedy of the commons. The negative externality affects everyone a tiny bit, but the profit that can be had is worth it to them.

u/-Ch4s3-

Illness due to lifestyle diseases actually lowers economic productivity. The annual estimated cost of obesity in the US is $1.4tn. People miss a lot of work or become disabled due to these di

u/-Ch4s3-

Listing documentaries you haven't watched isn't an argument.

u/-Ch4s3-

> I'm talking about systematic problems and corruption. Like what specifically? Give us an example. > Sure there are some companies that are helping, but there are many that are profi

u/bouquetofashes

Everyone likes to demonize HFCS but it's only 5% more fructose than in sucrose? Like it's not actually appreciably worse than just... Sugar. I'm not agreeing that it should be put in everyt

u/gredr

> NO processed food What do you count as "processed"?

u/wright007

Sure, I'll point out the obvious. The processed food and convenience food industry. The pharmaceutical industry. Which company specifically? Both *entire industries* benefits from the system

u/wizzard419

True, you will (for now) have agency to change but at the same time the individual doing things doesn't really move the needle if they aren't a unified force. Sort of like the arguments again

u/-Ch4s3-

Illness due to lifestyle diseases actually lowers economic productivity. The annual estimated cost of obesity in the US is $1.4tn. People miss a lot of work or become disabled due to these di

u/-Ch4s3-

With the exception of Ozempic the top grossing drugs [have nothing to do with obesity or lifestyle diseases](https://www.biospace.com/business/10-best-selling-drugs-of-2024-rake-in-billions-a

u/wizzard419

Considering that this is a capitalist society... yeah the only solutions will be private enterprise backed. Take the problem with cattle ranching for example. US is spending billions for thin

u/Shinnyo

>Diet culture is still pushing kooky schemes that sound like torture to me, such as documenting every bite of food that you eat every day, starving yourself, restricting calories/carbs/poi

u/-Ch4s3-

France has McDonalds, a lot of them 1600 in fact which is just a bit more than half as many per capita as the US. Also “market induced demand” is not a concept in economics. You might mean

u/-Ch4s3-

How is it disingenuous? None of them are rent-seeking lifestyle disease other than maybe ozempic. If drug companies were primarily profiting off of people having lifestyle or dietary diseases

u/CAWildKitty

They absolutely are rent seeking. The autoimmune mABs do nothing except mitigate symptoms at eye-watering costs along with a huge dose of negative side effects. The effectiveness rates are us

u/StepUpYourPuppyGame

The bastards keep feeding a seed oils because they are cheap and inexpensive. Sadly, the corporations don't care, but we all need to do a better job voting with our dollars.

u/Scorpio989

I know that's not a solution because I am overweight and haven't had soda since 2017. I don't drink anything other than water, maybe juice once or twice a month.

u/heybart

In America when you go out to eat, what are your healthy options Around where I am, maybe sushi and other ethnic food. Chain restaurants like cheesecake factory are pretty loaded with fat an

u/Al-go-rithm

Teach people how to cook Add cooking class at school. To me it's shocking to see that the average American has no clue how to cook even the most basic dishes

u/-Ch4s3-

Illness due to lifestyle diseases actually lowers economic productivity. The annual estimated cost of obesity in the US is $1.4tn. People miss a lot of work or become disabled due to these di

u/costafilh0

"It is easier to change one's beliefs than to change one's habits."

u/bouquetofashes

Iirc someone attempted that as an experiment -- they increased healthy affordable options for underserved communities and those options were still not chosen. Food deserts also only account

u/Shinnyo

I cut soooo many calories by just doing that. I only drink water and coffee, my family is struggling with their weight but they drink so many sugary shit.

u/evilcherry1114

This is why the UK Greens got lambasted as loonies against working people when they backed the sugar tax

u/bouquetofashes

Everyone likes to demonize HFCS but it's only 5% more fructose than in sucrose? Like it's not actually appreciably worse than just... Sugar. I'm not agreeing that it should be put in everyt

u/SilverMedal4Life

I disagree, there's such a thing as 'market-induced demand'. If France was flooded with McDonald's and other fast food chains due to other economic reasons causing local resturaunts to close

u/CAWildKitty

This is disingenuous considering most of the drugs listed are biologics, or mABs and have been structured as injectable and given an insanely high price. Many of them, including Humira have t

u/-Ch4s3-

With the exception of Ozempic the top grossing drugs [have nothing to do with obesity or lifestyle diseases](https://www.biospace.com/business/10-best-selling-drugs-of-2024-rake-in-billions-a

u/grundar

> Pretty much any modern society and obviously an older one was way more active. [Research suggests otherwise:](https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/1m27xx8/a_new_study_suggests_that

u/pandaeye0

Not just eat less, merely asking people to waste less will result in big profit cut.

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

The other day I saw [this video exploring why Japan has such a low obesity rate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH6Wq4KWu7M). It think it has some very interesting insights, such as the pre

u/-Ch4s3-

> I'm talking about systematic problems and corruption. Like what specifically? Give us an example. > Sure there are some companies that are helping, but there are many that are profi

u/Rockclimber88

They are both bad but HFCS is worse. It's about the speed of absorption. HFCS goes straight into the bloodstream. Replacing it with sugar wouldn't help because lots of sugar is still very bad

u/GoodTeletubby

What's wrong with fixing the food system is that making it possible for everyone to eat healthy will cut into companies profit margins, and healthy people will cut into medical and pharmaceut

u/gongmiester

This is by far the best response. The problem for the vast majority of people isn’t the food itself but their choice to eat too much/the wrong food. Excersize certainly is part of the equat

u/wizzard419

It likely would for the stuff used to make syrups, especially HFCS, animal feeds, etc. Sadly though, it would likely just be a regressive tax more than anything.

u/james_the_wanderer

Density and a culinaru fetish for freshness.

u/-Ch4s3-

Which companies? How is it more profitable? Ad I explained elsewhere the most profitable drugs other than ozempic all have nothing to do with metabolic diseases.

u/OriginalCompetitive

Food deserts aside, for most people who live in reach of a typical grocery store, the “food system” works great. You can buy good healthy food at affordable prices. It’s just that most people

u/necrosythe

This is one of those things that is true in aggregate, but any individual big player is going to be hard pressed to really care or see it as an improvement in their bottom line. Most things

u/wright007

I'm talking about systematic problems and corruption. Sure there are some companies that are helping, but there are many that are profiting off the problem, and actively engaged in making thi

u/necrosythe

Exercise is definitely still an underrated part of the equation. Pretty much any modern society and obviously an older one was way more active. Therefore also having better muscle mass and BM

u/-Ch4s3-

> I'm talking about systematic problems and corruption. Like what specifically? Give us an example. > Sure there are some companies that are helping, but there are many that are profi

u/Rom2814

Things that aren’t “whole” - prepared foods (e.g., frozen dinners), things with a list of 5+ ingredients, etc. We buy organic meat, fish, poultry and dairy (e.g., pasture raised, grass fed).

u/coolercolder

One very simple solution: replace all the soda with drinking water.

u/Rom2814

Significance difference between meats that qualify as “organic” under the law in the US than meats that don’t. I used to think it was silly, but if you look at the nutritional content of, say

u/SilverMedal4Life

Believe what you want to believe, but it was not consumers who wanted high fructose corn syrup in their soft drinks instead of cane sugar.

u/Chance_Act_6296

Man, -- while your head is in the right place, and I can see you're just asking questions, Basically.. With all respect to you as a person -- everything you just said is either incorrect or

u/gredr

> NO processed food What do you count as "processed"?

u/GoodTeletubby

What's wrong with fixing the food system is that making it possible for everyone to eat healthy will cut into companies profit margins, and healthy people will cut into medical and pharmaceut

u/bickid

Imagine instead of all the candy and chocolate bars, super markets would sell all kinds of "veggie snacks". I'm sure the food industry COULD create some great, super low calorie stuff IF it w

u/-Ch4s3-

Dismissing the mitigation of symptoms of autoimmune diseases is some kind of take. What the fuck are you talking about? You can’t mitigate Type I diabetes or a number of types of later stage

u/SilverMedal4Life

I'd adore it if my local 7/11 had half the stuff that Japan's ones do, instead of hot dogs that've been rolling since the last milennium and a bunch of prepackaged snack crap.

u/bouquetofashes

Everyone likes to demonize HFCS but it's only 5% more fructose than in sucrose? Like it's not actually appreciably worse than just... Sugar. I'm not agreeing that it should be put in everyt

u/-Ch4s3-

With the exception of Ozempic the top grossing drugs [have nothing to do with obesity or lifestyle diseases](https://www.biospace.com/business/10-best-selling-drugs-of-2024-rake-in-billions-a

u/-Ch4s3-

> I'm talking about systematic problems and corruption. Like what specifically? Give us an example. > Sure there are some companies that are helping, but there are many that are profi

u/StepUpYourPuppyGame

The bastards keep feeding a seed oils because they are cheap and inexpensive. Sadly, the corporations don't care, but we all need to do a better job voting with our dollars.

u/Rom2814

Significance difference between meats that qualify as “organic” under the law in the US than meats that don’t. I used to think it was silly, but if you look at the nutritional content of, say

u/Shinnyo

Like on cigarettes pack, they should put photos of the consequences of diabetes on heavily sugared product.

u/grundar

> Pretty much any modern society and obviously an older one was way more active. [Research suggests otherwise:](https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/1m27xx8/a_new_study_suggests_that

u/Globalboy70

It's not just junk food it's causing the issue it's real nutritious food like fruits and vegetables they've actually become less nutritious and more sugary over time. And climate change is go

u/borgenhaust

It's more that glucose can be processed by most of your body. Fructose is only processed by your liver that stores it as fat - the natural amount you'd get from just having a bit of fruit in

u/SilverMedal4Life

I disagree, there's such a thing as 'market-induced demand'. If France was flooded with McDonald's and other fast food chains due to other economic reasons causing local resturaunts to close

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

It's also not simply not growing up with it, it's the lousy quality of the healthy food they *can* access. If the only packaged salads, for example, are limp and musty-smelling, it doesn't ma

u/odent999

Lay person, non-expert here. The real food lack in food deserts is likely due to the loss of mom-and-pop grocers to large centralized chains. Their sourcing of fresh produce from nearby far

u/wizzard419

It likely would for the stuff used to make syrups, especially HFCS, animal feeds, etc. Sadly though, it would likely just be a regressive tax more than anything.

u/Shinnyo

It's because you don't have the correct methods, I used to think like you. I tried losing weight 2 times by doing sports and it changed nothing. Yes, there's genetics and medicines that will

u/coolercolder

One very simple solution: replace all the soda with drinking water.

u/Chance_Act_6296

Man, -- while your head is in the right place, and I can see you're just asking questions, Basically.. With all respect to you as a person -- everything you just said is either incorrect or

u/Shinnyo

It's because you don't have the correct methods, I used to think like you. I tried losing weight 2 times by doing sports and it changed nothing. Yes, there's genetics and medicines that will

u/OnyZ1

> The bastards keep feeding a seed oils because they are cheap and inexpensive. Have only ever seen studies indicating that seed oils are innocuous--at least, not worse for you than any

u/evilcherry1114

This is why the UK Greens got lambasted as loonies against working people when they backed the sugar tax

u/OnyZ1

> The bastards keep feeding a seed oils because they are cheap and inexpensive. Have only ever seen studies indicating that seed oils are innocuous--at least, not worse for you than any

u/D-Stecks

Because the real world is more complicated than Baby's First Economics Lesson.

u/wizzard419

True, you will (for now) have agency to change but at the same time the individual doing things doesn't really move the needle if they aren't a unified force. Sort of like the arguments again

u/pottedPlant_64

It’s too late. People are planning to be on weight loss drugs their whole lives.

u/gredr

That sounds pretty healthy, but I assume you would agree that it's somewhat impractical for many people?

u/CAWildKitty

US ice cream usually has propylene glycol added which is a cheap way to make it smoother and to prevent ice crystals. Propylene glycol is a different version of ethylene glycol (antifreeze) t

u/SilverMedal4Life

Believe what you want to believe, but it was not consumers who wanted high fructose corn syrup in their soft drinks instead of cane sugar.

u/SilverMedal4Life

I disagree, there's such a thing as 'market-induced demand'. If France was flooded with McDonald's and other fast food chains due to other economic reasons causing local resturaunts to close

u/SilverMedal4Life

I disagree, there's such a thing as 'market-induced demand'. If France was flooded with McDonald's and other fast food chains due to other economic reasons causing local resturaunts to close

u/OriginalCompetitive

Food deserts aside, for most people who live in reach of a typical grocery store, the “food system” works great. You can buy good healthy food at affordable prices. It’s just that most people

u/Scorpio989

I know that's not a solution because I am overweight and haven't had soda since 2017. I don't drink anything other than water, maybe juice once or twice a month.

u/Rom2814

I agree with “fixing the food system” where we can but that’s not going to be a total fix and trying to fix it that way would impinge on civil liberties to the point of being (truly) fascist.

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Why don't the economics work in the US? It does seem like they have a lot more convenience stores over there, but is that it? There must be more to it.

u/Shinnyo

>Diet culture is still pushing kooky schemes that sound like torture to me, such as documenting every bite of food that you eat every day, starving yourself, restricting calories/carbs/poi

u/OnyZ1

> The bastards keep feeding a seed oils because they are cheap and inexpensive. Have only ever seen studies indicating that seed oils are innocuous--at least, not worse for you than any

u/suboptimus_maximus

Sedentism. America socially engineered its society around driving, subsidized automakers and socialized the costs of driving. If the only movement you do is waking from your recliner to you

u/necrosythe

This is one of those things that is true in aggregate, but any individual big player is going to be hard pressed to really care or see it as an improvement in their bottom line. Most things

u/OnyZ1

The economics of 'healthy' food quickly and cheaply available in the US doesn't work out, but I don't understand how it does in Japan, honestly. What do they have that we don't?

u/GoodTeletubby

What's wrong with fixing the food system is that making it possible for everyone to eat healthy will cut into companies profit margins, and healthy people will cut into medical and pharmaceut

u/heybart

In America when you go out to eat, what are your healthy options Around where I am, maybe sushi and other ethnic food. Chain restaurants like cheesecake factory are pretty loaded with fat an

u/Rockclimber88

They are both bad but HFCS is worse. It's about the speed of absorption. HFCS goes straight into the bloodstream. Replacing it with sugar wouldn't help because lots of sugar is still very bad

u/odent999

Lay person, non-expert here. The real food lack in food deserts is likely due to the loss of mom-and-pop grocers to large centralized chains. Their sourcing of fresh produce from nearby far

u/heybart

In America when you go out to eat, what are your healthy options Around where I am, maybe sushi and other ethnic food. Chain restaurants like cheesecake factory are pretty loaded with fat an

u/wright007

I'm talking about systematic problems and corruption. Sure there are some companies that are helping, but there are many that are profiting off the problem, and actively engaged in making thi

u/SilverMedal4Life

I'd adore it if my local 7/11 had half the stuff that Japan's ones do, instead of hot dogs that've been rolling since the last milennium and a bunch of prepackaged snack crap.

u/OnyZ1

The economics of 'healthy' food quickly and cheaply available in the US doesn't work out, but I don't understand how it does in Japan, honestly. What do they have that we don't?

u/borgenhaust

It's more that glucose can be processed by most of your body. Fructose is only processed by your liver that stores it as fat - the natural amount you'd get from just having a bit of fruit in

u/PrivilegedPatriarchy

If there was a demand for "fresh", "healthy" food in these so-called food deserts, why wouldn't the grocery stores start stocking this food and make a boatload of money?

u/-Ch4s3-

France has McDonalds, a lot of them 1600 in fact which is just a bit more than half as many per capita as the US. Also “market induced demand” is not a concept in economics. You might mean

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

The other day I saw [this video exploring why Japan has such a low obesity rate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH6Wq4KWu7M). It think it has some very interesting insights, such as the pre

u/Shinnyo

Teach people about nutrition, it's crazy how we teach so much unimportant shit but nutrition somehow gets ignored. That's why in US or West world people get scammed by drinks like Prime or s

u/Globalboy70

It's not just junk food it's causing the issue it's real nutritious food like fruits and vegetables they've actually become less nutritious and more sugary over time. And climate change is go

u/Chance_Act_6296

Man, -- while your head is in the right place, and I can see you're just asking questions, Basically.. With all respect to you as a person -- everything you just said is either incorrect or

u/-Ch4s3-

> I'm talking about systematic problems and corruption. Like what specifically? Give us an example. > Sure there are some companies that are helping, but there are many that are profi

u/-Ch4s3-

You definitely don’t read that. If you had you’d see that the portions that cover fructose are giving subjects beverages sweetened with 100% fructose, which is not something people encounter

u/PrivilegedPatriarchy

If there was a demand for "fresh", "healthy" food in these so-called food deserts, why wouldn't the grocery stores start stocking this food and make a boatload of money?

u/wright007

I'm talking about systematic problems and corruption. Sure there are some companies that are helping, but there are many that are profiting off the problem, and actively engaged in making thi

u/-Ch4s3-

Which companies? How is it more profitable? Ad I explained elsewhere the most profitable drugs other than ozempic all have nothing to do with metabolic diseases.

u/bickid

Imagine instead of all the candy and chocolate bars, super markets would sell all kinds of "veggie snacks". I'm sure the food industry COULD create some great, super low calorie stuff IF it w

u/wright007

Yeah, is worse for the county as a whole to have sick people, but is WAY more profitable for a select few companies that depend on such people eating themselves sick. The problem is that some

u/violentdeepfart

Companies putting out ever more choices of unhealthy processed garbage is a factor. But everyone has a choice not to buy those things. They do anyway, even though they see themselves getting

u/OnyZ1

The economics of 'healthy' food quickly and cheaply available in the US doesn't work out, but I don't understand how it does in Japan, honestly. What do they have that we don't?

u/-Ch4s3-

Listing documentaries you haven't watched isn't an argument.

u/Sprinklypoo

I think a lot of it is a culture of consumption. In a capitalist society (for instance) we are constantly pushed to consume. Even without food commercials, it seems like the idea would spre

u/evilcherry1114

This is why the UK Greens got lambasted as loonies against working people when they backed the sugar tax

u/-Ch4s3-

Ehh, people running large companies know they need to hire a lot of people and care a lot about healthcare costs because they pay for it. A lot of large companies will pay their employees to

u/-Ch4s3-

So food companies will sell anything you’ll buy, you see them moving to protein products now. Of the top 20 most profitable drugs last year only one, ozempic relates to lifestyle diseases. P

u/pandaeye0

Not just eat less, merely asking people to waste less will result in big profit cut.

u/RoastMasterShawn

Yeah I definitely noticed in Japan I felt healthier even though I wasn't eating all healthy items. Was eating fried food, alcohol, ice cream, sugar etc. But I didn't feel as bloaty and tired

u/-Ch4s3-

I agree that corn subsidies should end, but they barely affect the final price of food.

u/PrivilegedPatriarchy

If there was a demand for "fresh", "healthy" food in these so-called food deserts, why wouldn't the grocery stores start stocking this food and make a boatload of money?

u/heybart

In America when you go out to eat, what are your healthy options Around where I am, maybe sushi and other ethnic food. Chain restaurants like cheesecake factory are pretty loaded with fat an

u/New-Tackle-3656

I have the suspicion that the obesity problem is not caused by food, but shifts in our metabolism, and often brought about by medicine. I have a hard time shifting my weight -- in either di

u/-Ch4s3-

> I'm talking about systematic problems and corruption. Like what specifically? Give us an example. > Sure there are some companies that are helping, but there are many that are profi

u/OriginalCompetitive

Food deserts aside, for most people who live in reach of a typical grocery store, the “food system” works great. You can buy good healthy food at affordable prices. It’s just that most people

u/wright007

Yeah, is worse for the county as a whole to have sick people, but is WAY more profitable for a select few companies that depend on such people eating themselves sick. The problem is that some

u/bickid

Imagine instead of all the candy and chocolate bars, super markets would sell all kinds of "veggie snacks". I'm sure the food industry COULD create some great, super low calorie stuff IF it w

u/Shinnyo

It's because you don't have the correct methods, I used to think like you. I tried losing weight 2 times by doing sports and it changed nothing. Yes, there's genetics and medicines that will

u/Rom2814

Yes and no. It’s cheaper than some options, more expensive than others. It does take time and effort, which will be a challenge for some too. It depends on what you make a priority as well.

u/teethandteeth

I really hope GLP drugs give junk food makers a big ol' smack in the face.

u/wizzard419

It likely would for the stuff used to make syrups, especially HFCS, animal feeds, etc. Sadly though, it would likely just be a regressive tax more than anything.

u/suboptimus_maximus

Sedentism. America socially engineered its society around driving, subsidized automakers and socialized the costs of driving. If the only movement you do is waking from your recliner to you

u/wright007

I just did a quick Google search of some documentaries on the topic, which there are plenty of. I've seen a handful of these and they are really educational. Below is a list of recommendation

u/-Ch4s3-

So food companies will sell anything you’ll buy, you see them moving to protein products now. Of the top 20 most profitable drugs last year only one, ozempic relates to lifestyle diseases. P

u/-Ch4s3-

High fructose corn syrup and table sugar are nearly identical and metabolized the same way. [Here’s a meta-analysis](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9551185/ ) of all of the best rel

u/Shinnyo

Like on cigarettes pack, they should put photos of the consequences of diabetes on heavily sugared product.

u/OnyZ1

The economics of 'healthy' food quickly and cheaply available in the US doesn't work out, but I don't understand how it does in Japan, honestly. What do they have that we don't?

u/-Ch4s3-

Ehh, people running large companies know they need to hire a lot of people and care a lot about healthcare costs because they pay for it. A lot of large companies will pay their employees to

u/-Ch4s3-

France has McDonalds, a lot of them 1600 in fact which is just a bit more than half as many per capita as the US. Also “market induced demand” is not a concept in economics. You might mean

u/pandaeye0

Not just eat less, merely asking people to waste less will result in big profit cut.

u/evilcherry1114

This is why the UK Greens got lambasted as loonies against working people when they backed the sugar tax

u/violentdeepfart

Companies putting out ever more choices of unhealthy processed garbage is a factor. But everyone has a choice not to buy those things. They do anyway, even though they see themselves getting

u/D-Stecks

Because the real world is more complicated than Baby's First Economics Lesson.

u/gredr

That sounds pretty healthy, but I assume you would agree that it's somewhat impractical for many people?

u/borgenhaust

I'm allowed to use the definition of my choice, as are you. I still won't advocate for pica.

u/odent999

Lay person, non-expert here. The real food lack in food deserts is likely due to the loss of mom-and-pop grocers to large centralized chains. Their sourcing of fresh produce from nearby far

u/SilverMedal4Life

Believe what you want to believe, but it was not consumers who wanted high fructose corn syrup in their soft drinks instead of cane sugar.

u/SilverMedal4Life

I'd adore it if my local 7/11 had half the stuff that Japan's ones do, instead of hot dogs that've been rolling since the last milennium and a bunch of prepackaged snack crap.

u/gredr

That sounds pretty healthy, but I assume you would agree that it's somewhat impractical for many people?

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Classic tragedy of the commons. The negative externality affects everyone a tiny bit, but the profit that can be had is worth it to them.

u/Sprinklypoo

> yeah the only solutions will be private enterprise backed. The only funded / pushed solutions will be. We still have the possibility of changing our own habits personally. >end cor

u/Rom2814

Things that aren’t “whole” - prepared foods (e.g., frozen dinners), things with a list of 5+ ingredients, etc. We buy organic meat, fish, poultry and dairy (e.g., pasture raised, grass fed).

u/necrosythe

It's definitely a difficult, cyclical problem. Food desert usually in low income and/or sparse populated area. Those people lack the background (like not growing up with it) and funds for the

u/wizzard419

Considering that this is a capitalist society... yeah the only solutions will be private enterprise backed. Take the problem with cattle ranching for example. US is spending billions for thin

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Why don't the economics work in the US? It does seem like they have a lot more convenience stores over there, but is that it? There must be more to it.

u/-Ch4s3-

The contribution of corn subsidies to a soda is less than 2¢ per bottle. People should really go look at the actual numbers before making sweeping claims about how to fix society. This sub i

u/costafilh0

"It is easier to change one's beliefs than to change one's habits."

u/OnyZ1

> The bastards keep feeding a seed oils because they are cheap and inexpensive. Have only ever seen studies indicating that seed oils are innocuous--at least, not worse for you than any

u/-Ch4s3-

You definitely don’t read that. If you had you’d see that the portions that cover fructose are giving subjects beverages sweetened with 100% fructose, which is not something people encounter

u/heybart

In America when you go out to eat, what are your healthy options Around where I am, maybe sushi and other ethnic food. Chain restaurants like cheesecake factory are pretty loaded with fat an

u/gongmiester

This is by far the best response. The problem for the vast majority of people isn’t the food itself but their choice to eat too much/the wrong food. Excersize certainly is part of the equat

u/New-Tackle-3656

I have the suspicion that the obesity problem is not caused by food, but shifts in our metabolism, and often brought about by medicine. I have a hard time shifting my weight -- in either di

u/New-Tackle-3656

I have the suspicion that the obesity problem is not caused by food, but shifts in our metabolism, and often brought about by medicine. I have a hard time shifting my weight -- in either di

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

It's also not simply not growing up with it, it's the lousy quality of the healthy food they *can* access. If the only packaged salads, for example, are limp and musty-smelling, it doesn't ma

u/Rom2814

I agree with “fixing the food system” where we can but that’s not going to be a total fix and trying to fix it that way would impinge on civil liberties to the point of being (truly) fascist.

u/-Ch4s3-

Which companies? How is it more profitable? Ad I explained elsewhere the most profitable drugs other than ozempic all have nothing to do with metabolic diseases.

u/SilverMedal4Life

I'd adore it if my local 7/11 had half the stuff that Japan's ones do, instead of hot dogs that've been rolling since the last milennium and a bunch of prepackaged snack crap.

u/bouquetofashes

Everyone likes to demonize HFCS but it's only 5% more fructose than in sucrose? Like it's not actually appreciably worse than just... Sugar. I'm not agreeing that it should be put in everyt

u/wright007

Yeah, is worse for the county as a whole to have sick people, but is WAY more profitable for a select few companies that depend on such people eating themselves sick. The problem is that some

u/Shinnyo

Like on cigarettes pack, they should put photos of the consequences of diabetes on heavily sugared product.

u/OnyZ1

The economics of 'healthy' food quickly and cheaply available in the US doesn't work out, but I don't understand how it does in Japan, honestly. What do they have that we don't?

u/wizzard419

True, you will (for now) have agency to change but at the same time the individual doing things doesn't really move the needle if they aren't a unified force. Sort of like the arguments again

u/Shinnyo

It's because you don't have the correct methods, I used to think like you. I tried losing weight 2 times by doing sports and it changed nothing. Yes, there's genetics and medicines that will

u/-Ch4s3-

I agree that corn subsidies should end, but they barely affect the final price of food.

u/necrosythe

It's definitely a difficult, cyclical problem. Food desert usually in low income and/or sparse populated area. Those people lack the background (like not growing up with it) and funds for the

u/bouquetofashes

Iirc someone attempted that as an experiment -- they increased healthy affordable options for underserved communities and those options were still not chosen. Food deserts also only account

u/-Ch4s3-

I agree that corn subsidies should end, but they barely affect the final price of food.

u/-Ch4s3-

Illness due to lifestyle diseases actually lowers economic productivity. The annual estimated cost of obesity in the US is $1.4tn. People miss a lot of work or become disabled due to these di

u/SilverMedal4Life

I disagree, there's such a thing as 'market-induced demand'. If France was flooded with McDonald's and other fast food chains due to other economic reasons causing local resturaunts to close

u/coolercolder

One very simple solution: replace all the soda with drinking water.

u/coolercolder

One very simple solution: replace all the soda with drinking water.

u/gongmiester

This is by far the best response. The problem for the vast majority of people isn’t the food itself but their choice to eat too much/the wrong food. Excersize certainly is part of the equat

u/suboptimus_maximus

Sedentism. America socially engineered its society around driving, subsidized automakers and socialized the costs of driving. If the only movement you do is waking from your recliner to you

u/suboptimus_maximus

Sedentism. America socially engineered its society around driving, subsidized automakers and socialized the costs of driving. If the only movement you do is waking from your recliner to you

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Ditto here! I think it's odd that for a society so obsessed with convenience, and for one where food television and instagram such a popular genre, why it is that we tolerate such lousy conve

u/Rom2814

Significance difference between meats that qualify as “organic” under the law in the US than meats that don’t. I used to think it was silly, but if you look at the nutritional content of, say

u/wizzard419

It likely would for the stuff used to make syrups, especially HFCS, animal feeds, etc. Sadly though, it would likely just be a regressive tax more than anything.

u/Al-go-rithm

Teach people how to cook Add cooking class at school. To me it's shocking to see that the average American has no clue how to cook even the most basic dishes

u/CAWildKitty

This is disingenuous considering most of the drugs listed are biologics, or mABs and have been structured as injectable and given an insanely high price. Many of them, including Humira have t

u/james_the_wanderer

Density and a culinaru fetish for freshness.

u/GoodTeletubby

What's wrong with fixing the food system is that making it possible for everyone to eat healthy will cut into companies profit margins, and healthy people will cut into medical and pharmaceut

u/-Ch4s3-

The contribution of corn subsidies to a soda is less than 2¢ per bottle. People should really go look at the actual numbers before making sweeping claims about how to fix society. This sub i

u/bouquetofashes

Everyone likes to demonize HFCS but it's only 5% more fructose than in sucrose? Like it's not actually appreciably worse than just... Sugar. I'm not agreeing that it should be put in everyt

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

The other day I saw [this video exploring why Japan has such a low obesity rate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH6Wq4KWu7M). It think it has some very interesting insights, such as the pre

u/borgenhaust

It's more that glucose can be processed by most of your body. Fructose is only processed by your liver that stores it as fat - the natural amount you'd get from just having a bit of fruit in

u/bickid

Imagine instead of all the candy and chocolate bars, super markets would sell all kinds of "veggie snacks". I'm sure the food industry COULD create some great, super low calorie stuff IF it w

u/wizzard419

True, you will (for now) have agency to change but at the same time the individual doing things doesn't really move the needle if they aren't a unified force. Sort of like the arguments again

u/coolercolder

One very simple solution: replace all the soda with drinking water.

u/Rom2814

I agree with “fixing the food system” where we can but that’s not going to be a total fix and trying to fix it that way would impinge on civil liberties to the point of being (truly) fascist.

u/Sprinklypoo

> yeah the only solutions will be private enterprise backed. The only funded / pushed solutions will be. We still have the possibility of changing our own habits personally. >end cor

u/wright007

Yeah, is worse for the county as a whole to have sick people, but is WAY more profitable for a select few companies that depend on such people eating themselves sick. The problem is that some

u/violentdeepfart

Companies putting out ever more choices of unhealthy processed garbage is a factor. But everyone has a choice not to buy those things. They do anyway, even though they see themselves getting

u/PrivilegedPatriarchy

If there was a demand for "fresh", "healthy" food in these so-called food deserts, why wouldn't the grocery stores start stocking this food and make a boatload of money?

u/Rockclimber88

They are both bad but HFCS is worse. It's about the speed of absorption. HFCS goes straight into the bloodstream. Replacing it with sugar wouldn't help because lots of sugar is still very bad

u/Shinnyo

I cut soooo many calories by just doing that. I only drink water and coffee, my family is struggling with their weight but they drink so many sugary shit.

u/Shinnyo

Teach people about nutrition, it's crazy how we teach so much unimportant shit but nutrition somehow gets ignored. That's why in US or West world people get scammed by drinks like Prime or s

u/borgenhaust

>organic meat, fish, poultry and dairy I've yet to see anyone consume inorganic versions of these.

u/grundar

> Pretty much any modern society and obviously an older one was way more active. [Research suggests otherwise:](https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/1m27xx8/a_new_study_suggests_that

u/Shinnyo

Like on cigarettes pack, they should put photos of the consequences of diabetes on heavily sugared product.

u/Rom2814

Significance difference between meats that qualify as “organic” under the law in the US than meats that don’t. I used to think it was silly, but if you look at the nutritional content of, say

u/-Ch4s3-

High fructose corn syrup and table sugar are nearly identical and metabolized the same way. [Here’s a meta-analysis](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9551185/ ) of all of the best rel

u/PrivilegedPatriarchy

If there was a demand for "fresh", "healthy" food in these so-called food deserts, why wouldn't the grocery stores start stocking this food and make a boatload of money?

u/wizzard419

Considering that this is a capitalist society... yeah the only solutions will be private enterprise backed. Take the problem with cattle ranching for example. US is spending billions for thin

u/Shinnyo

It's because you don't have the correct methods, I used to think like you. I tried losing weight 2 times by doing sports and it changed nothing. Yes, there's genetics and medicines that will

u/PrivilegedPatriarchy

If there was a demand for "fresh", "healthy" food in these so-called food deserts, why wouldn't the grocery stores start stocking this food and make a boatload of money?

u/bouquetofashes

Everyone likes to demonize HFCS but it's only 5% more fructose than in sucrose? Like it's not actually appreciably worse than just... Sugar. I'm not agreeing that it should be put in everyt

u/necrosythe

This is one of those things that is true in aggregate, but any individual big player is going to be hard pressed to really care or see it as an improvement in their bottom line. Most things

u/Rom2814

Yes and no. It’s cheaper than some options, more expensive than others. It does take time and effort, which will be a challenge for some too. It depends on what you make a priority as well.

u/grundar

> Pretty much any modern society and obviously an older one was way more active. [Research suggests otherwise:](https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/1m27xx8/a_new_study_suggests_that

u/Sprinklypoo

> yeah the only solutions will be private enterprise backed. The only funded / pushed solutions will be. We still have the possibility of changing our own habits personally. >end cor

u/-Ch4s3-

Dismissing the mitigation of symptoms of autoimmune diseases is some kind of take. What the fuck are you talking about? You can’t mitigate Type I diabetes or a number of types of later stage

u/-Ch4s3-

How is it disingenuous? None of them are rent-seeking lifestyle disease other than maybe ozempic. If drug companies were primarily profiting off of people having lifestyle or dietary diseases

u/OriginalCompetitive

Food deserts aside, for most people who live in reach of a typical grocery store, the “food system” works great. You can buy good healthy food at affordable prices. It’s just that most people

u/costafilh0

"It is easier to change one's beliefs than to change one's habits."

u/odent999

Lay person, non-expert here. The real food lack in food deserts is likely due to the loss of mom-and-pop grocers to large centralized chains. Their sourcing of fresh produce from nearby far

u/-Ch4s3-

I agree that corn subsidies should end, but they barely affect the final price of food.

u/gongmiester

This is by far the best response. The problem for the vast majority of people isn’t the food itself but their choice to eat too much/the wrong food. Excersize certainly is part of the equat

u/wright007

I just did a quick Google search of some documentaries on the topic, which there are plenty of. I've seen a handful of these and they are really educational. Below is a list of recommendation

u/OnyZ1

The economics of 'healthy' food quickly and cheaply available in the US doesn't work out, but I don't understand how it does in Japan, honestly. What do they have that we don't?

u/bouquetofashes

Iirc someone attempted that as an experiment -- they increased healthy affordable options for underserved communities and those options were still not chosen. Food deserts also only account

u/-Ch4s3-

High fructose corn syrup and table sugar are nearly identical and metabolized the same way. [Here’s a meta-analysis](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9551185/ ) of all of the best rel

u/teethandteeth

I really hope GLP drugs give junk food makers a big ol' smack in the face.

u/CAWildKitty

This is disingenuous considering most of the drugs listed are biologics, or mABs and have been structured as injectable and given an insanely high price. Many of them, including Humira have t

u/Al-go-rithm

Teach people how to cook Add cooking class at school. To me it's shocking to see that the average American has no clue how to cook even the most basic dishes

u/-Ch4s3-

Illness due to lifestyle diseases actually lowers economic productivity. The annual estimated cost of obesity in the US is $1.4tn. People miss a lot of work or become disabled due to these di

u/Rockclimber88

They are both bad but HFCS is worse. It's about the speed of absorption. HFCS goes straight into the bloodstream. Replacing it with sugar wouldn't help because lots of sugar is still very bad

u/necrosythe

This is one of those things that is true in aggregate, but any individual big player is going to be hard pressed to really care or see it as an improvement in their bottom line. Most things

u/-Ch4s3-

High fructose corn syrup and table sugar are nearly identical and metabolized the same way. [Here’s a meta-analysis](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9551185/ ) of all of the best rel

u/sandwichstealer

Walk into a store after you realize sugar is toxic.

u/Scorpio989

I know that's not a solution because I am overweight and haven't had soda since 2017. I don't drink anything other than water, maybe juice once or twice a month.

u/grundar

> Pretty much any modern society and obviously an older one was way more active. [Research suggests otherwise:](https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/1m27xx8/a_new_study_suggests_that

u/gredr

> NO processed food What do you count as "processed"?

u/wright007

Sure, I'll point out the obvious. The processed food and convenience food industry. The pharmaceutical industry. Which company specifically? Both *entire industries* benefits from the system

u/Sprinklypoo

I think a lot of it is a culture of consumption. In a capitalist society (for instance) we are constantly pushed to consume. Even without food commercials, it seems like the idea would spre

u/-Ch4s3-

You definitely don’t read that. If you had you’d see that the portions that cover fructose are giving subjects beverages sweetened with 100% fructose, which is not something people encounter

u/Rockclimber88

Emotional manipulation advertisement should be banned. Coca cola is not a land of happiness with fluffy CGI characters. It's diabetes, obesity and cancer. Each advertisement of food should sh

u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Classic tragedy of the commons. The negative externality affects everyone a tiny bit, but the profit that can be had is worth it to them.

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Fighting the obesity crisis by fixing the food system

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